PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: Well, he is that, because even on Pakistan television these days, talk shows are going on -- saying that he has met Osama bin Laden five times. Five times before 9/11. And he has been financed by Osama bin Laden. Then the other element is that he never speaks against terrorism and extremism. The man is a closet Taliban.
Then he's been tested and tried twice, and failed. And took Pakistan to a state where we were defaulted and appealed state. And moreover, his interaction with people, his -- his interaction, his dealings with officials -- with people who -- who are -- who matter in Pakistan, he has -- has been so abrasive, right from the beginning, he has never been on good terms with any army chief of Pakistan.
He has never been in good terms with any president of Pakistan. So I don't know what kind of a mental makeup he has. But the man is abrasive against the other power -- brokers of Pakistan, that is the president and the army chief. Always on a confrontationalist (?) course, right since the time of his joining politics, he has been on confront -- he has been on a confrontation course with his -- with his own mentor -- back in the '80s. So that is his mental makeup. Well, then -- it's for the people of Pakistan then to judge whether he's the right man to -- to run a country.
CHRIS CUOMO: Looking at Pakistan today, President Obama said a few months ago that he was worried about the stability of Pakistan. As you look at your country today, do you believe Pakistan is stable?
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: Pakistan can be very stable. Today, yes, there is -- a degree of instability in Pakistan today, because of terrorism and extremism, and because of that -- some elements -- in Baluchistan, also raising their heads of -- giving the cry of separatism. These elements are very small -- and they have been there all along in Pakistan history -- history.
But they should not be tolerated by the government. But -- having said that, I am a strong believer that Pakistan inherently is very stable, because the people of Pakistan, vast, vast majority of Pakistan, Pakistanis, want Pakistan to be a strong Pakistan. And the military of Pakistan is very strong. And as long as the people of Pakistan, vast majority, and the military of Pakistan is strong, Pakistan is stable and nothing can happen to Pakistan.
CHRIS CUOMO: If the Taliban came to power in Pakistan, how could you ensure the safety of the nuclear weapons?
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: If they came to power, yes indeed. The -- the nuclear weapons will be theirs, and I mean, we shouldn't have any doubt, if they're running a government and their -- it is their government in Pakistan, the nuclear weapons, all the military. Everything is there. But the question is -- this is quite -- talk which will never come into real -- reality.
They will never win in the politics of Pakistan. Today, they only have about two to three percent seats, and I'm not talking of Taliban. I'm talking of the religious, political party. They are not Taliban. Now who are the Taliban? How can they come into power in Pakistan? I don't think that is at all possible.
CHRIS CUOMO: You don't think it's realistic.
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: No, not at all. Even the religious parties who may be having some links or connections with them, or they may be having sympathy for them, even there, they're all two -- two to three percent of the (UNINTEL) today.