CHRIS CUOMO: So you reject the idea that Pakistan is providing supplies and help and housing the leadership of al Qaeda, of the Taliban, to then go into Afghanistan.
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: No, no. I don't reject that. We must-- what I have said it. Yes, there are sanctuaries in Pakistan, where the people, the Taliban from Afghanistan can come and stay. They have sanct -- sanctuaries. And their support within the Pakistani Taliban. But it is not the perception that I'm -- misperception that I'm trying to clear.
It is not that the Pakistani side is going there. It is Afghan side, the Taliban of Afghanistan, coming and having sanctuaries here. It is not that weapons and money is going from Pakistan. It is Afghan money and weapons coming here. So let's get that -- whole -- thing clear. So it's -- it's -- it's -- when we talk of people, yes, people are moving across the border from Pakistan going across. And from Afghanistan, people coming into the sanctuaries in Pakistan. That is reality.
CHRIS CUOMO: Is it a safe haven? Are the Pakistanis giving open arms and saying, "Come, come here. We'll protect you."
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: No, you are talking about Pakistanis. What are we talking? We are talk of-- they generally come to South and North Waziristan. Point two percent of Pakistan. So how can you say Pakistan? Why are we saying Pakistan? Pakistan 98.8 percent is other Pakistan. In point two percent of Pakistan, South and North Waziristan, they have safe -- safe havens. And so, what is the issue? So it's not Pakistan. People -- some people in South, North Waziristan, Paktuns and Tali -- local Taliban. They give them safe haven.
CHRIS CUOMO: Is it fair to say that because so much of the population of that area's -- Pakistan is Pashtun, and so much of the Taliban that we're dealing with Afghanistan are Pashtun, that it's impossible for the Pakistanis to stop the cooperation between the two, because they're bound by tribe.
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: Yes. Yes. They are bound by tribes. They are bound by a geography. There have been -- the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan has been porous. There has been an agreement called easement rights. In these easement rights, families could move across the border. The tribes were divided, across the border, and there were marriages.
There were interaction across the border, through these easement rights. Since British days and after partition also, this continued. And that it why it is porous. But having said that, when we decided in two thou -- after 9/11, when we looked at the situation and we wanted to control the movement. One, we have to destroy al Qaeda, who are in our mountain. Yes, they have safe havens and they have to be destroyed.
But when we are talking of Taliban, we are talking of people from Afghanistan and people of Pakistan. So therefore, we have to go for a triple strategy of -- military, political and social economics. But I had given an idea. I said, "We must mind the whole border. We can mine the whole border." Now mining is very negative in Europe and United States.
But this is an unusual war. Nobody accepted my word. As far as I'm concerned, we should mine it so that people can't go across. And we should even fence it. We could fence it, like the Indians have done fencing. But fencing means manning the fence. Otherwise it's a useless thing -- obstacle. Mines don't have to be manned, so there are measures.