Pankia (a rural province in North West Pakistan) is peaceful today. And there's a division headquarter there. There's a general. We can tell him to receive you. See [unintelligible] Pankia. It's totally peaceful. There is one area there which I don't want to name, because we maybe we act there after, once we've dealt with in the north. We thought we shouldn't take both of them together. We'll deal with one. We'll go to the other one.
When you're talking of south and north Wuziristan, even there there is a sharp decline in the IEDs, in the various ambushes and all of that they were carrying out. The sharp decline is because of a very, very strong action we took with Air Force, [unintelligible] helicopters and the army and artillery that they got extremely worried that we mean business now. And that is how there's a sharp decline in that also. But they are there.
Cuomo: Do you have a concern that in the military there is a rising division between those who wanna fight terrorism and those who have sympathies for some of the more radical Islamist movements. And that there is a tension in this country about whether or not you should be fighting these people in the first place?
Musharraf: Any -- anyone who fear this doesn't know the army. Unfortunately. And it pains me when anyone thinks like that.
Cuomo: You've heard it before... though?
Musharraf: Yes, I have heard it. I have heard it. This is the, what the Western media always keeps saying. We have gone through 30 years of turmoil. We were first fighting for 10 years Mujahadin, Taliban. We were training them. You were giving us money to train them. You were giving us arms to hand over to them. That is what we were doing. For one decade we did that. And we launched a jihad together.
Now suddenly you leave us -- everyone goes. And you want us to face this way now. Okay. Okay, bye. Your our man now. Everything is hunky dory. And face this way. No more any -- anything. We handled the situation up to 9/11 for 12 years all alone with four million refugees there. And you keep blaming Pakistan. What kind of an attitude is this? I just don't understand. So this has its repercussions, effects on Pakistan.
Cuomo: So you're saying there is a problem here, but it's not of Pakistan's making. It was what the U.S. asked to be done and then left?
Musharraf: Yes. That had a very big [unintelligible]. That had very big effects here. Yes, indeed. Absolutely.
Cuomo: But doesn't that make it difficult to ... fight it today because there are those relationships? The Taliban was something that you had...
Cuomo: ...engendered here?
Cuomo: Does that hurt you now?
Musharraf: No, no. We we understand what is so, good for Pakistan. Now I come to that. ... Yes, indeed. We realize that Taliban, or whatever was happening in Afghanistan, we didn't -- we wanted to control it but we hadn't- - didn't have the resources for -- from '89 to 9/11. We're all alone. Pakistan was all alone.
So al Qaeda came up. Who's al Qaeda? The same Mujahadin who we brought. They coalesced and became al Qaeda. So [unintelligible] al Qaeda in 1990? This came about in Afghanistan.
And then -- then the Taliban ruled in 1995. Who was dealing with this? Pakistan all alone. Nobody else. And when Osama bin Laden [unintelligible] came in and every -- the world wanted him to be shouted out of the place, who was doing anything?