People [unintelligible] hanging me up. I don't want to name the leaders who hang me up. Help out on getting this man out. Deal with Mullah Omar. And I said, "Send four delegations." I used -- I sent delegations of clerics from here. I used to send my DDI [unintelligible] from there -- from here to deal with the Mullah Omar. To ask him to behave and send this Osama bin Laden out. The world was depending on Pakistan. Pakistan stood alone, because we only had -- we were only country which had diplomatic relations with them.
So this was -- we were -- certainly Pakistan didn't want, and I didn't want, Taliban kind of a culture in Pakistan. So therefore 9/11 came. And then we were very clear. We are not on the side of Talibanization of Pakistan. So therefore whatever decisions we took, we took the decision. Now we to see our intelligence organization -- as far as the military was concerned. Military carried out orders. And there's no question that our military is divided, as you said. That some don't want to fight them. People certainly -- the military is unified. And they want to fight. They want to eliminate terrorism and extremism. ...
Cuomo: I don't understand. You just said two things. You said, "Yes, our military is divided. Some are not sure whether or not they want to fight them." And then you said it's unified. Which is it? Just to be clear?
Musharraf: No, no, no. Hold on. I never said that military is divided. ... No, no. I didn't-- I haven't changed that [unintelligible]. I never said that the military is divided when they are going to fight someone else. The military is unified. The military carries out orders. At this moment, let's deal with this fear side. I think that's talk of the present and the future.
The military is unified to fight terrorism and extremism. Yes, there may be some elements who may be thinking of a different solution in Afghanistan. That there is a need of political dialogue in Afghanistan, which I have also been saying.
Using military alone will not solve the problem. You must go on a multi-prong strategy. Let's involve political handling and also developmental strategy. And that is how it should be multi-pronged to resolve the problem. But these are ideas-- but otherwise as far as military action is concerned, in south, north Wuziristan, in Fattah, in southern district, military is very clear. We have to fight militancy and we have to fight terrorism.
Cuomo: You brought up Osama bin Laden. Obviously for the Western world he is the face of terrorism. I know you've been asked 100 times at least, "They believe he's here. Why haven't you caught him?" Is the closest thing to the truth that we've never been close to catching Osama bin Laden. And you may never be able to catch him. I mean is that the simple reality?
Musharraf: Could we? Could we? We are together on the intelligence. We call this whole war or this whole conflict, the major operations is easier. Intelligence is more difficult. And this is a war of intelligence. You have to -- there are people -- every [unintelligible] is a weapon. Now true intelligence, you have to know who is the enemy and where is the enemy. Everyone is not the enemy. There is no defense line which you are to attack and overtake. And -- you run over a defense line and you get everyone.