Happiness, Inc: Wayne Dyer Lives His Positive Thinking Philosophy

Harris: Isn't what you're talking about now sort of a slightly different and less aggressive tactic than you've talked about in your books and your speeches?

Dyer: It might be less aggressive, I just don't think of it in terms of winning and losing. I certainly hold to the view, when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. When you look at an illness as the presence of something in your body, when you look at it as a punishment for what you've done, uh, you know, I don't think that your body can go into a healing mode, nearly as well as it can if you take a much more peaceful approach to it. I do think that I probably am more peaceful about all of it, about everything in my life than I was maybe 30 years ago, when I was writing more about healing ourselves of those kinds of diseases, But my experience in life has shown that when you have an attitude of peace about something, that your body has a much better chance of healing it, than it does if you get aggressive and angry and hurt and depressed by it. It's just my experience.

Harris: Watching you speak the other night, you said things like, "You need to believe it to see it." You also said, "You need to assume the attitude of the wish fulfilled in order to get what you want." So are you saying that your wish is not necessarily to, to have this disease go away?

Dyer: No, it's not, it's not about having the disease go away. It's about my being able to, my wish is to be able to live each and every day from as healthy and positive a perspective as I possibly can. And I think I can do that whether leukemia decides to live within me, or whether it's not there. And I'm not going to be deciding whether I'm going to be happy everyday on the basis of whether a white blood cell count has gone up or gone down.

Harris: Has the disease forced you to rethink anything you've talked about over the years?

Dyer: It's brought me more in touch with my mortality. You know, that that this body is like, ultimately it's something that we're going to leave. And it's also a reminder of the importance of the invisible part of myself. That I'm not nearly as attached to this body of mine as I once was. I guess as it starts to wear away, and things start happening to it, you become less and less attached to it, at least I am.

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