"You actually spend more time than a four-star chef on some dishes," Knowlton said.
"I wouldn't doubt that," Trinidad replied.
"Do you ever just want to cheat?"
"I do feel like cheating, all the time. But then where's the integrity?"
"I don't know how we're talking about integrity," Knowlton joked, picking up a piece of meat with White Castle's trademark holes.
Later, that punctured meat, with a little Coca-Cola reduction, is used to make meatballs. Of course.
"I'll try the albondigas [meatballs, in Spanish]. Then I'll try the french fry ... croquettes," Knowlton announced.
"This must be weird," he told Trinidad, "because you must never have thought that, like, 'Nightline' would be here, and some food snob sitting in your kitchen. That wasn't your intention."
"No, not at all," Trinidad said. "This is all about looking good."