But that's OK.
GIBSON: Did that hurt your feelings, too?
RICHARDSON: Well, a little bit.
SPRADLING: Would you like to know?
RICHARDSON: You know, let's face it -- the next president is going to have to have foreign policy experience. And of all the candidates here, I'm the only one that's negotiated with foreign governments, I'm the only one that has faced down the North Koreans and Saddam Hussein, I'm the only one that has had the highest national security clearance.
You know, so there's something about having experience and been tested and represented...
SPRADLING: Can I follow up on that, then...
SPRADLING: ... with your resume.
I don't mean to interrupt, but I remember you as energy secretary coming to Boston for an energy summit way back in February of 2000, when the dialogue then was very similar to the dialogue that it is now: rising fuel prices, a struggling supply, frustration in the homes across New England and a call for some help.
SPRADLING: Here we are this past Thursday -- we've established it -- that it's $100 a barrel. Is it fair to say to you, in this experience argument, that you, as energy secretary, you didn't get it done then, so why believe you'd get it done now because we're having the same debate?
RICHARDSON: Look, both parties have been failures in dealing with energy policy, but you know -- and I remember meeting you there. Remember what I did, Scott. I went to OPEC countries and tried to get them to increase production so prices would go down.
At the time, there was a home heating oil crisis here in New England. I created reserves of home heating oil. Look at the price now in New Hampshire, $3.20, something like that. It's the highest ever.
You know, what we need is an energy revolution in this country, not some of the bills that the Congress has passed.
RICHARDSON: We need to go to 50 miles per gallon fuel efficiency. We need to have 30 percent of all our electricity renewable. We need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent by the year 2040.
And we need the American people to sacrifice a little bit. I would ask the American people, when it comes to being more energy- conscious, to be cognizant of appliances, of fuel efficiency, the vehicles we drive, mass transit.
You know, I -- and I did when I was energy secretary, air conditioners 30 percent more efficient. I started the renewable portfolio. So, I did some things, Scott.
The problem -- you're right. We need a bipartisan approach. But we need to reduce fossil fuels by 50 percent by the year 2020, because our planet is getting damaged. And Al Gore has been right.
RICHARDSON: He deserves the Nobel Prize. I'm glad he stayed out of the race.
GIBSON: I'm going to go to Senator Edwards for just a moment.
You answered the first part of my question about executive training. You didn't talk about whether relative youth is a detriment.
RICHARDSON: I didn't hear that.
GIBSON: When I asked you the question, I said, is prior executive experience a key requirement for being president and is relative youth a detriment?