GIBSON: Yes but isn't it critical as to whether or not it's manmade? Because what you do about it depends on whether it's manmade.
PALIN: That's why I'm attributing some of man's activities to potentially causing some of the changes in the climate right now.
So as we work towards a cleaner, safer environment here in Alaska and elsewhere across our nation and with our allies across our globe -- what we're going to start doing is weaning ourselves off the hydrocarbons and off the petroleum and we're going to be plugging in those solutions with alternative, renewable energy sources that are cleaner. But until that time, it's going to be a transitionary time here until we get to that point. We are going to keep relying on the hydrocarbons and on the petroleums and we have to develop them safely ethically and responsibly.
GIBSON: But I -- color me a cynic, but I hear a little bit of change in your policy there when you say yes, now you're beginning to say it is manmade. Sounds to me like you're adapting your position to Senator McCain's.
PALIN: I think you are a cynic because show me where I've said there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that. I have said that, my belief is there is a cyclical nature of our planet -- warming trends, cooling trends -- I'm not going to argue scientists because I believe in science and have such a great respect for what they are telling us. I'm not going to disagree with the point that they make that man's activities can be attributed to changes.
GIBSON: ANWR -- you favor drilling in the Arctic National Refuge, he does not.
PALIN: I sure do.
GIBSON: You change him on that? He changing you?
PALIN: I'm going to keep working on that one with him. ANWR of course is two thousand acre swath of land in the middle of about a 20 million swath of land. Two thousand acres that we're asking the Feds to unlock so that there can be exploration and development and that can too help lead us to that path of energy independence. .But it's not just ANWR, it's offshore drilling also. Off-shore is where really the bulk of that gas supply especially and oil supply. And John McCain in a sign of a statesmanship pragmatic, the pragmatism also that encompasses this candidate -- I so respect his thinking there. He's really evolved into understanding why off-shore is so important and that's where the bulk of the resource is.
GIBSON: So you'll agree to disagree on ANWR.
PALIN: That's exactly right. We'll agree to disagree but I'm going to keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all going to come together on that one.
GIBSON: One other thing -- you brought up energy independence today and I made the point having just spent a lot of time with the CEO of Exxon Mobil—they don't think we're ever going to get to energy independence. They think we're going to continue to depend on fossil fuels, oil, natural gas -- do we pay too little in this country for gasoline? The Europeans pay multiples of what we pay still, as expensive as gas is here. Should we let it gravitate for the levels where we really begin to make serious conservation moves?