And we want the oil to flow. We need for it to flow right now while we work our way into a more diversified situation.
GIBSON: Any of you, by the...
GIULIANI: Charlie, we really have to take the idea of energy independence and turn it into a program for energy independence. We've been talking about it since Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter -- never done it. And it has to be done on the scale of putting a man on the moon.
All of the things that they've all talked about, we've talked about it a long time; we just haven't done it.
GIULIANI: We've got to expand nuclear. We've got to do clean coal. We've got to expand the use of hybrid vehicles, wind, solar, hydroelectric, liquid natural gas, natural gas, domestic oil, more refineries.
Senator Thompson is absolutely right: We haven't built a refinery, I think, if 30 years. We haven't licensed a nuclear power plant in 30 years.
France is 80 percent nuclear. We're 20 percent nuclear. China is building 40 nuclear power plants. We're having trouble getting one licensed for the last 30 years.
If we don't make this a major program, led by the president of the United States, the way Eisenhower started the program to put a man on the moon and then Kennedy followed and then Johnson followed and Nixon got it done -- two Republicans, two Democrats -- it should be an American achievement.
GIBSON: Nuclear is a very interesting issue here in the state of New Hampshire.
HUCKABEE: Well, I think it is possible to get energy independent, and do it within a decade. We're the same country that built an atomic...
GIBSON: In 10 years?
HUCKABEE: I believe we can -- if we want to; if we untax the possibilities of the innovations in technologies; if we also look at the fact that -- put an incentive out there that's just truly something dramatic: a billion-dollar bonus for the first person who can produce a car that can get 100 miles per gallon.
HUCKABEE: In addition to that, look at the alternative forms of energy that we can use. And everybody talked about...
THOMPSON: There'd be no windfall profit tax on that.
HUCKABEE: There wouldn't be, no.
THOMPSON: I agree.
HUCKABEE: And I don't believe there should, Fred, because I think we ought to un-tax innovation, un-tax income.
Anything -- any time you penalize productivity, it's counterintuitive to an economy. And one of the reasons that we're dependent is because we have allowed the oil companies to dictate not just prices, but policy.
And it's time to say that we're not going to allow dictators, whether it's the Middle East or from Venezuela, to continue to in essence enslave the American people, which is exactly what we've done.
Senator McCain is right. We have an issue now where we're paying for both sides of the war on terror. We pay for it with our tax dollars to fund the military, but every time we swipe our credit card in the gas pump, we might as well be sending a check over to the madrassas that are training the terrorists that eventually are going to come back to us. And that's why it's got to be an urgent matter of utmost priority.
GIBSON: We are just about out of time, but, Governor Romney, you're going to have the final word.