Transcript for Rep. Tom McClintock on Shutdown: "Senate has Refused to Enter any Negotiations"
This is a special room. Love when I'm Dan -- New York with this ABC news digital special report the house and the senate both in session but still at odds both sides still no closer to any budget agreement. The -- waiting on the house to act speaker Boehner today -- -- the house has already -- -- the country we met or some sort of compromise will happen but. House Republicans are nothing that obamacare should have anything to do. Joining us now one of those Republicans are our representative Tom McClintock of California who is on the House Budget Committee. Congressman thank you for joining us today essentially -- the question is what is the end game for the caucus. While in game is to. Resolve the impasse between the two houses say the house is now voted three times to keep the government open. While addressing this 800 pound gorilla in the room which is obamacare -- being flooded by phone calls now from folks that are. Seeing their health care premiums. Skyrocket they're seeing their health plans. Being canceled the very ones they were promised they could keep. They're seeing their hours cut back at work and we can't pretend that's not happening. The house has acted three times the senate three times has rejected these proposals now that's all right that's where the systems designed to work it was designed to work with tension between the two houses. But once each house has exercised its best judgment. They are then supposed to come together isolate the differences and work them out through compromise. The whole system is designed on that premise and that is what is not working. The senate has summarily refused to enter into any kind of discussion or negotiations or compromise over the differences between the two houses and that's why we are where we are today. If speaker Boehner brought back continuing resolution in a clean form with obamacare -- included to the house floor define the pastor -- how would you vote. No. We we can't ignore the though the unfolding disaster that we're seeing -- obamacare is now being implemented -- -- as I said I'm being flooded by complaints. They are heart rending their frantic in -- one woman singer. Pay cut back 23%. Because. Of Obama care requirements. It. Is it is it's got to be addressed -- -- and again the house I'm I'm. -- entirely open to to negotiation and compromise with the senate I think the entire house is open. To negotiation and compromise with the senate the problem is the senate is summarily rejecting this fundamental responsibility of our. Bicameral system -- -- again the system was designed to operate on that principle and that's what -- senators refusing to do it is supremely frustrating because we can't work like this. Is there -- discussion among fellow Republicans about how long you might be prepared to hold out on this. Well -- again we now extended an invitation for the senate to join a formal conference committee. That is the system that's evolved over centuries it's very good at working out the most intractable differences between the two houses it's simply requires the senate to accept. That invitation so far it hasn't. The Republican Tea Party members have been called and our kids by senate majority leader Harry Reid in this back and forth how do you respond to that. You're not my experience over the years is when the other guy starts calling you names you know two things for sure you know that your winning the debate. And you know that he knows that you're winning the debate the American people are watching I mean they're the ones that are getting these notices today. That their premiums are in some cases tripling. Or that their health plans being dropped -- their hours are being cut back they understand that and that's why you're seeing a precipitous drop in support. For Obama -- which -- never been popular. But over the last week or two it has dropped precipitously and I think that's the reason people what had been a very distant theoretical discussion. Has now become very personal and very real. Congressman back in August Cuba calls for a shutdown of the government if Obama never know pardon me I have never called for a shutdown of the government. What to to what sticks to wet measures where are you willing to go -- to defund the president's Affordable Care Act. And again that's a matter that has to be negotiated between the house and the senate and in order for it to be negotiated negotiations have to commence. At this point where does the White House stand in terms of compromise as far as -- handling its signature piece of legislation. -- noted that the White House is not part of the legislative branch in his first for the house and the senate to exercise. Their respective best judgments both houses half. But then it is necessary for those two houses to come together. Once they have come together and worked out their differences then and only then does the president enter the picture. As the chief executive with the responsibility to sign or veto that legislation. The Obama care exchanges are open today what argument -- from your constituents about their experiences. -- just told you what I've been hearing and I've been hearing it now for several weeks and has been accelerating to a crescendo as the exchanges are open. The exchanges are malfunctioning. And people are seeing. Just skyrocketing increases in the premiums as I said I've had I've had many many. Complaints from constituents you're telling me. That the rates are tripling or nearly tripling. That that's simply not sustainable and in this ought to be a wake up call. The president exempted members of congress from paying the costs of obamacare. If members of congress can't afford Obama care how we expect ordinary Americans to do -- Part of the house the latest house compromise was to say we ought to be treated equally. -- members of congress ought to pay the same cost as average Americans. For their cause -- new exchange policies congress doesn't wanna do that that -- to tell you a lot right there. If in fact the program has already ruled out is there a sense that you could strengthen your argument if there was failure on its execution. -- -- I don't want to see failure in its execution but it is happening and we can't ignore it. And what their house has consistently proposed to something the president is already done on on a considerable -- don't forget he's already exempted big businesses. From the requirement that they provide health care for their employees but he's not exempted the employees. From the requirement that they have to go out and get Obama care and pay out of pocket -- Congress has been shielded by those from those costs but not ordinary Americans we're simply saying look. We know you didn't intend these problems we know that you thought this was gonna reduce people's health care and said they're seeing the costs skyrocket. We know you said if you like your plan you can keep it but the fact is people can't. You know we know you said this was to be good for the economy but millions of Americans are seeing their hours cut back or the jobs lost. We know this wasn't your intention but this is the effect. We have got to deal with -- and we've got to deal with it before it does more damage to those stamps. Among fellow Republicans what is the discussion what is the tone about those future discussions that must be made we've reached that October 17. Deadline when the nation will reach its debt limit. Why I have every hope that this will be resolved long before then this this shouldn't be allowed to bleed over into the debt limit issue. Do you feel as if that there may be -- some residual effect whether be whether this last for the day or for the week. What -- my biggest concern is this. As I said the very essence of our system is the notion that the two houses will get together and work out their differences. Time and time again Harry Reid and his followers have refused to participate in that process is served our country for 225. Years. I'm afraid they've come to the political calculation that it be shut down -- to their benefit because they can blame Republicans. But it's. I I. I think Americans are looking at this and saying what you should you guys at least be talking and Harry Reid why aren't you talk. Do you read into anything that the president was reelected to a second term after the health care had passed. Again. During the election people weren't seeing all of these unintended consequences of the law the skyrocketing premiums -- lost jobs the cutback in hours. -- the drop policies. These are problems that we now know exist in this system they are going on in real time. And we can't simply pretend that it's not happening. You're you're -- your colleague wherever -- Peter King had is essentially like it a possibility of repealing the Affordable Care Act. To using that in conjunction with the budget negotiations. Why not both in the house and senate point of view repeal that legislation just on its sound. -- it it I believe it should be repealed on its own but that's not going to happen what we can do is at least. Now recognize the defects that people are experiencing in their everyday lives because of Obama care. And do what the president is already done with major pieces of the program. Delay. The individual mandate so that people aren't forced of these markets that's the latest Republican proposal by the way funded the entire government. Fund obamacare. Go ahead and open the exchanges. But don't mandate people to -- policies that they simply can't afford and don't excuse congressman. From having to pay the same cost as ordinary Americans. That is the proposal. That has now been summarily rejected by the senate I don't think that's unreasonable and I'll bet if you start asking folks about that. The broad majority of Americans are gonna say yeah that's fair that's what we call equality under law. How does that shake a -- before Alessio congressman how does that shake out fiscally that if you aren't gonna require if you are gonna make the mandate how does that that the program -- funded. Well it's it's funded now. I think -- -- too early on -- to begin with. I don't think you're going to find a sound funding mechanism for it. But if employers to be relieved of their mandate to buy insurance for their employees we should be mandating the employees to go out on their own in a system that is already proving itself to be dysfunctional. Represented McClintock from California represented -- thank you so much -- for your time. We certainly appreciate that it's my pleasure thanks -- We have a complete report on abcnews.com. As that budget -- does continue and the government shutdown now in its eleventh hour. I'm Dan that's our New York with -- ABC news digital special report.
This transcript has been automatically generated and may not be 100% accurate.