'This Week' Transcript: Cardinal Timothy Dolan

STEPHANOPOULOS: OK, Congressman thanks so much. Let's bring in the rest of the roundtable right now, and talk about the weeks politics. Newark Mayor Cory Booker, joining us again. Nice to have you here. Matthew Dowd -- ABC's Matthew Dowd. Katrina Vanden Heuvel, the publisher and editor of The Nation, and ABC's newest Washington correspondent, senior Washington correspondent, Jeff Zeleny from the New York Times. Welcome. Great to have you here.

Let's talk about gay marriage first, those historic arguments in the Supreme Court this week. And it certainly appeared that a lot of the justices at least may have been looking for a way out of this case on Proposition-8.


ALITO: You want us to step in and render a decision based on an assessment of the effects of this institution, which is newer than cell phones or the Internet?

KENNEDY: We have five years of information to weigh against 2,000 years of history or more.

SOTOMAYOR: If the issue is letting the states experiment, and letting the society have more time to figure out its direction, why is taking a chase now the answer?


STEPHANOPOULOS: Matthew Dowd, it's perilous to try to read decisions into questions from the justice. I don't think anybody last year would have predicted the health care outcome based on the questions we saw. But -- but there did seem to be a lot of discomfort on the part of the justices about stepping into this case as this nationwide movement is starting to grow?

DOWD: Well, yeah to me it's actually surprising that the supreme Court is that far actually out of tune with where the country is. The country right now, the majority of the country right now supports same-sex marriage. The vast majority of the country. It's moved a lot in the last 10 years. The country is more evolved, and more consistent on this issue than any other social issue that has come before the Supreme Court. More than it was on inter-racial marriage.

Only 20 percent of people supported inter-racial marriage when the Supreme Court made that decision in 1967. More conjoined on this than civil rights. More conjoined on this than abortion. So the country is way ahead on this, so that's why I don't understand why the Supreme Court seems reluctant to weigh on an issue when the country has already moved on it?

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well it could be, Congressman King, there are still more than 30 states that are banning gay marriage?

KING: You know I would right now be opposed to gay marriage. Having said that, even if I supported it, I don't believe the Supreme Court should be making that decision. I think if you have an institution go back 2,000 or 3,000 years, before it's changed for all of the unintended consequences to be thought through, it should work its way through state legislatures, through Congress perhaps so we can -- again -- I'm not -- we should have full equality as far as finances, as far as other issues. I'm just staying, we don't know what all the consequences could be that are unintended right now.

I think Judge Ruth Bader Ginsberg said for instance with Roe vs. Wade, that may have been a mistake even from a pro-choice perspective, because it took it away from the legislatures, and a lot of the social issues were not directly addressed.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Worried at all about a bad clash if the Supreme Court were to step out, and have a sweeping decision in support of gay marriage?

BOOKER: No, I'm not worried at all. Look, this is an anguished reality where we have a second class citizenship for millions, and millions of Americans who are denied over 1,000 laws. Thank God we didn't wait on the states on women's equality under the law. Thank God we didn't wait for the states on African Americans equality under the law. Thank God we didn't want for the states on -- on inter -- on inter-marriage.

So this to me is -- clearly we know as King said the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice...


STEPHANOPOULOS: It seemed as if -- you know you can know this for sure, either but that the case came to the Supreme Court in the first place because the most conservative justices thought this might be their last, best chance while they still have a majority, to hold the line?

VANDEN HEUVEL: Well, you know justice delayed is justice denied. But I think that the Supreme Court is lagging so far behind now that -- marriage equality has won in this country.

STEPHANOPOULOS: That's the only thing that you and Rush Limbaugh agree on.

VANDEN HEUVEL: Well, but it -- it is moving in states, it's moving politically. And I think you've seen perhaps the most rapid mass evolution on an issue among our politicos as well. They know where the future of this country is. It is also a qualifier to win a next generation. So I think whatever happens in the court, and it may well be that Kennedy's -- Justice Kennedy's consuming affection for state rights does lead to overruling DOMA, I think we are going to see a social, moral and political paradigm shift that is extraordinary.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And there will -- I mean we already saw a glimpse of it this week, not only at the court, but Jeff I want to bring you in on this. But, first show you had six democratic Senators, many of them in red states, we're going to show them right here, flip on the issue of same-sex marriage just this week alone. And that prompted a comment from the bench from Chief Justice Roberts.


ROBERTS: You don't doubt that the lobby supporting the enactment of same-sex marriage laws in different states is politically powerful do you?

KAPLAN: With respect to that category -- that categorization of the term for purposes of heightened scrutiny, I would your Honor, I don't...

ROBERTS: Really?


ROBERTS: As far as I can tell, political figures are falling over themselves to endorse your side of -- of the case.


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