'This Week' Transcript: Gov. Rick Perry and Stephen Colbert

ROBERTS: Probably. From what I understand, it's a sympathetic portrayal of the first lady. But, look, as you well know, staffs and first ladies do butt heads. And they have from the beginning. And staffs and candidates' wives butt heads because the candidate's wife or the first lady has only one interest, and that is her husband's back.

And she is trying to do what she can to protect that. And staffs have other agendas. It's also true -- this has been true from first ladies from the beginning. Martha Washington had troubles, you know, with the Congress because she wanted to get revolutionary soldiers their pensions, because she had to been to camp with them throughout those long eight years of the revolution.

She also -- by the way one of the other things that Mrs. Obama is quoted as saying is that she hates living in the White House. Obviously she has tried to get rid of that because the reaction of voters will be, fine, so don't live there anymore, go away.

(CROSSTALK)

STEPHANOPOULOS: George, why don't you weigh in on this.

ROBERTS: But, you know, again, let me just say quickly, Martha Washington also said, I am -- "they call me first lady of the land," she wrote in a letter to a niece, "but I am more the chief state prisoner." Because she was there, stuck in the house in New York.

STEPHANOPOULOS: George?

WILL: George, backwards reels the mind to the 1980s and all of the stories, many of them quite true, about the conflicts between Nancy Reagan and certain members of the president's staff, including his chief of staff, Donald Regan.

Mrs. Obama is black, she is a woman, and if she doesn't get angry on occasion, she is not human. She is human. End of story.

KARL: You know, I have read through the book. And it is a positive portrayal. I mean, sure, there's a few anecdotes. But it's an overwhelming positive portrayal. She comes across very real. I mean, the whole idea that she considered staying in Chicago to let her kids finish school, that's normal.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I felt bad for the president when I heard that.

NOONAN: Amen to all that has been said, first lady is a hard job, eventually they all feel like prisoners. They get written about. Everybody also wants to find some tensions between the East Wing and the West. They always find something. Let it go.

KRUGMAN: And what strikes me is how incredibly scandal-free this administration has been. That some harsh words said on a couple of occasions is a scandal? My gosh.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Meanwhile, the talk about a former first lady continues. We get a question on Twitter on this, it came from Jennifer Moore. "I'm wondering if any of your panelists think there is any chance we may see Hillary step in as V.P.?"

Now, George, I'm going to start with you on this. And what I can't figure out is why this conversation continues. I mean, as far as I can tell, it has never been considered in the Oval Office, never been considered by the first lady, never been considered by Vice President Biden. Yet the talk goes on and on and on.

WILL: Well, it goes on and on and on among the professionally talking classes. It makes some sense in this particular, if you laid a maps over the places where the Democrats lost congressional seats in 2010, it would fairly much replicate where Hillary Democrats outpolled Obama Democrats during the 2008 primary.

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