'This Week' Transcript: Secretary Hillary Clinton, Sen. John McCain

KAGAN: Well, I continue to believe that every single one of these dictators or dictators' families that's been around for the past four decades is ultimately going to fall. I think Assad is going to fall in Syria. I think the Saudis are going to have to undertake change. And so this is where things are heading. It's either going to come out in a good way or a bad way.

AMANPOUR: And in the elections, is it going to be Islamist? Or is there a struggle now to define what Islamic democracy is?

KAGAN: Certainly Islamists are going to win. They're going to win in significant portions in Egypt when those elections are held. But the question is, can Islam make its peace with democracy? And frankly, I think it can. And I think we have to support that process.

AMANPOUR: And on that note, thank you very much, indeed, Bob Kagan, Rick Stengel, Martha Raddatz, and Senator McCain from Amman. Thank you very much.

And coming up next, Campaign 2012. Who's up? Who's down? Our man, Jon Karl, is next with "This Week in Politics." And our all-star roundtable debates whether Rick Perry turned a corner in the Sin City showdown. Stay with us.


AMANPOUR: Tuesday's Republican rumble in Vegas proved one thing: Rick Perry delivers one mean punch. But will the debate be a turning point in the campaign? In our special weekly feature, our man, Jon Karl, games out the stakes in "This Week in Politics."


KARL (voice-over): This was the week it got nasty.

ROMNEY: Are you just going to keep talking?

KARL: We learned that Mitt Romney can lose his cool.

ROMNEY: Rick, again...

PERRY: You had the...


ROMNEY: Rick, I'm speaking. I'm speaking.

KARL: That was the touch seen 'round the world. Romney response to the charge that he hired illegal immigrants did more damage to his campaign than the attack himself.

ROMNEY: We went to the company and we said, look, you can't have any illegals working on our property. I'm running for office, for Pete's sake. I can't have illegals.

KARL: What was that?

ROMNEY: I'm running for office, for Pete's sake. I can't have illegals.

KARL: While the Republicans bickered, Colonel Gadhafi became the latest bad guy to go down on President Obama's watch.

OBAMA: The dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted.

KARL: Republicans have called him soft on terrorism. Candidate Hillary Clinton said he wasn't prepared for that 3 a.m. call.

(UNKNOWN): There's a phone in the White House and it's ringing.

KARL: But under President Obama, thug after thug have met his demise. On the jobs front, though, nothing doing.

OBAMA: Maybe they just couldn't understand the whole thing all at once. So we're going to break it up into bite-size pieces.

KARL: To sell the jobs bill, he tried a presidential bus tour through the battleground states of Virginia and North Carolina. John McCain didn't even like the bus.

MCCAIN: I've never seen an uglier bus. He's traveling around on a Canadian bus touting American jobs.

KARL: McCain knows buses. Remember the "Straight-Talk Express"? That was made in Canada, too. Even Michele Bachmann's bus is Canadian. Sarah Palin's bus, made in America.

The president's own team didn't help much.

REID: It's very clear that private-sector jobs have been doing just fine. It's the public-sector jobs where we've lost huge numbers.

KARL: What? Doing just fine?

REID: It's very clear that private-sector jobs have been doing just fine.

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