Congressman Price, you looked at this in the House weighs and means committee on Friday. You asked that question about whether the so-called targeting was illegal. Have you seen any evidence that a crime was committed?
PRICE: We don't know yet as Senator Portman said.
This is really chilling stuff, though, George. The IRS was asking church groups what was the content of their prayer, prayers, to determine whether or not to give them status, tax-exempt status, or book groups, what books they were reading, provide a book report. This is just the beginning.
And I think it's really important to appreciate what Senator Portman started with and that was that the IG report was an audit, it was not an investigation. This is just the beginning of this process. And we need to get to the bottom of it. We need to find out who made those decisions, hold them to account and see how high up the chain it went. And that's exactly what we'll do.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So do you think a special counsel is needed as well?
PRICE: I think it's -- again, I think it's premature to determine that. I do believe that the committees of jurisdiction in the House and in the Senate need to continue their investigation and determine exactly who made these decisions. These were just some individuals at a low level in the IRS. They don't make those kind of decisions, you know that. The American people know that.
What needs to be restored is trust. And that's the real question here.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me bring this to Congressman Rangel, because there's extensive reporting in your hometown newspaper this morning, the "New York Times," which suggests that in some of this information developed in the IG's report as well that the extent higher-ups in the IRS were involved they actually ordered the Cincinnati investigators to broaden their criteria not to single out the Tea Party, not to have any political bias there.
RANGEL: The biggest problem is that tens of thousands of IRS workers that work hard with all of this stigma being tax collectors, are getting a bad shake out of this.
First of all, it is the law. Senator Menendez says this law lends itself to abuse. I don't think that gang in Cincinnati had the slightest clue as to find out whether or not people making contributions were involved in politics or whether they were involved in social welfare. Under the law, it's not just an exclusive thing. And people were abusing this law.
Whether they should have used this buzz words for conservatives or liberal, it is wrong and outrageous when people penalized for their political beliefs.
But the law has been abused every since it's been there.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Portman, how about that? Are you concerned about that? Both Senator Menendez and Congressman Rangel saying there was a real potential for abuse here that deserved to be -- that had to be overseen.
PORTMAN: George, here's the point, we can talk about whether the laws ought to be changed. And yes, I'm for tax reform. But the question is whether there was an unbiased, even-handed enforcement of the laws? And there was not. So to say, gee, maybe we should change the laws, that wasn't the issue here.
What's happening in Cincinnati, and unfortunately other places in the country, including as I said California, Washington, D.C. was there was a bias.