Transcript: Newt Gingrich and Howard Dean

DOWD: Well, we -- as we talked a few months ago, I think his biggest test is always and will always be the left in the -- in the Congress, will always be the test, is how much -- how far he lets them go without restraining them in.

Because the country is in a place where they don't want the right-wing Republicans, they don't want the left-wing Democrats. They want to be a place where it's moderate and reasonable. And I think, so far, Barack Obama has shown an inability to restrain that...

ROBERTS: And that's -- yes. DOWD: ... on the stimulus package, on health care reform, on cap and trade, on many things. He's -- he's had great inability...


STEPHANOPOULOS: And now that the stimulus is working...

DONALDSON: I don't see how -- actually, interesting argument. Twelve percent of the stimulus package has actually been actually spent, so we had an $800 billion stimulus package and something around $100 billion has actually spent. I don't know of any economist who actually could say $100 billion in a $12 trillion economy...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, it said the Goldman Sachs economists looked at it, say it made about a 3 percent difference in GDP.

ROBERTS: And the fact that -- that unemployment rate is going down instead of up, people are taking a big sigh of relief.


DOWD: Well, I don't know if they have, because we've -- we lost $250,000 jobs. There's been 2.5 million jobs have lost since Barack Obama has been president. I remember trying to make this argument when Bush was president, where he said the unemployment rate went down, even though we lost jobs, and never was very successful.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You know, and that September unemployment number is going to make a big -- have a big impact on the fall debate.

We're going to have to take a quick break, and we're going to come back. Bill Clinton's mission to North Korea, more troops for Afghanistan, and what we can expect from Justice Sotomayor. We have more roundtable and the Sunday funnies.



GIBSON: Former President Clinton on a secret trip to North Korea.

LING: When we walked in through the doors, we saw standing before us President Bill Clinton.

OBAMA: The reunion is a source of happiness not only for the families, but for the entire country.

H. CLINTON: I want to be sure people don't confuse what Bill did with our policy.

B. CLINTON: My job was to do one thing which I was profoundly honored to do as an American and as a father.

(END VIDEO CLIP) STEPHANOPOULOS: President Clinton humble and concise coming off of that mission from North Korea. Let me bring our roundtable back in: Peggy Noonan, Matthew Dowd, Richard Haass, Sam Donaldson, and Cokie Roberts.

And, of course, the pictures that we all wanted to see here this week were those two journalists coming home. The picture that Kim Jong-il wanted everyone to see around the world and in North Korea, here it was, the picture of President Clinton greeting him, shaking his hand.

And, Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, who got the better end of the bargain?

HAASS: Both sides gained. It was good for the United States to get these two people back. It was good for the North Koreans to get the picture.

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