TAPPER: I think what surprised me about this, Ed, was the fact that she is so smart and so savvy in so many ways that she has to know that, with the media, superficial and evil as we are, if she does something like that, that's what we're going to be focusing on.
GILLESPIE: Yes, it was a -- it was a breakdown in discipline, obviously. And it's disappointing, I have to say. Just, you know, setting aside all partisanship, I think the fact is that what this administration is doing in Africa -- I should also point out, building on a lot of the good work that was done by the Bush administration...
TAPPER: Which President Obama has said.
GILLESPIE: ... in Africa -- has said -- very important and -- and to distract from that, I think, is unfortunate. I think it was too long a trip. As someone who's done these trips, 11 days is a long time to be out there. And I think that they will probably dial these back, I suspect, in terms of duration in the future.
TAPPER: Ed, there's something I want to come to you on, completely switching topics. You and I are both Eagles fans.
TAPPER: You're from south Jersey; I'm from Philly. And there was news in the last few days about Michael Vick, who had served his time for his involvement with dogfighting, being signed by the Eagles. We have a clip of the press conference.
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VICK: As we all know, in the past, I made some mistakes. I have done some terrible things, made a horrible mistake. And now I want to be a part of the solution and not the problem.
LURIE: If we don't have an extremely proactive player here, off the field, then this is a terrible decision.
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TAPPER: That's the owner of the Eagles, Jeff Lurie, talking about the need for Vick to continue with his rehabilitation process through the judicial system. I have to say, I am uncomfortable. As an Eagles fan, I don't want to root for Michael Vick. And I know that there are people in the NFL who have done far worse to humans -- or maybe not far worse -- but they've -- they've -- you know, they have other problems with the law. Tell me why I'm wrong. Why -- how am I going to root for Michael Vick?
GILLESPIE: I think you're not wrong to be uncomfortable. I think, though -- I bring some conflict to this. I am an Eagles fan. I also own two dogs.
TAPPER: You heard that, by the way, "Iggles" fan. I don't know if you heard "Iggles."
BRAZILE: I heard that.
GILLESPIE: But, look, I think that he served his time. We have to be a society that believes in redemption. He has confessed to, you know, his remorse.
And I'll tell you, if you were going to pick someone to be a mentor, to help to turn a young man around, I don't think you could pick anyone better than Tony Dungy. And so if Tony Dungy says, "I see in Michael Vick signs of hope and redemption," I will take his word over pretty much anybody else I can think of in the NFL.
BRAZILE: If there's no hope for Michael Vick, there's no hope for many other people in our society who've done wrong and need a path back to society.
What he did was absolutely horrible. I'm a dog-owner. I love animals. And he paid the price. He served his sentence. And he's paid a -- a much larger price, a price in terms of his reputation.
But I hope that the Eagle -- the fans of the -- what did you call them, the Eagles?
TAPPER: "Iggles," I-g-g-l-e-s.