Transcript: Alan Greenspan

STEPHANOPOULOS: This debate has become extraordinary public. George, the White House has had two meetings last week. Two more meetings coming up this week. You've got Vice President Biden, probably General Jones, the national security adviser, the political staff in the White House arguing for a policy much like we see in Pakistan. The military, McChrystal, Mullen, Petraeus, all saying no. WILL: McChrystal was asked, could you support it? And he said no. Now, some people are likening this, mistakenly, to the MacArthur/Truman dispute that led to the sacking of MacArthur. This is very different and in a sense worse. It's different in the sense that Truman had a clear policy, reiterated. And MacArthur didn't like it and went against it. And he was fired for insubordination. Here, McChrystal is not differing with a policy because the administration seems to be backing away from its own policy. So into this vacuum, he has asked questions. Not surprisingly, a week ago, with my customary mistake, I said that he would be up there testifying very soon. Evidently not. Instead, he's talking in London and answering questions that are making life difficult for the White House. (CROSSTALK)

STEPHANOPOULOS: ... says he will not testify until after the president makes his decision.

ROBERTS: Well, that's because, you know, that could affect the decision, politically, and they don't want that happening, obviously. But his point there, that you just heard, about not breaking promises to -- or having a situation on the ground that exists, I think is a very important one. You know, we -- abandoning Afghanistan again could have a tremendous impact on our -- the view of us in the world, but also abandoning Afghan women. I mean, this is a really very serious thing that we would be doing here... (CROSSTALK)

VANDEN HEUVEL: No one is talking about abandoning. We're talking about non-military, smarter alternatives. ROBERTS: Well, but if the military is not there to protect these people, then the possibility of the Taliban taking back over and this whole argument is going, well, is the Taliban really the same thing as al Qaeda? Well, not...

STEPHANOPOULOS: That's a big question they're addressing. ROBERTS: That is a big question they're addressing. So what that then says, though, the implication of that, is to say so the Taliban, we'll just let them happen. And then they'll happen inside the country, once again, we're pressing the people inside the country who are mostly women. VANDEN HEUVEL: Women have never fared well in a militarized, occupied situation. There are alternatives to the development and modernization of Afghanistan other than the military footprint of the United States.

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