'This Week' Transcript: Susan Rice

DAVID FRUM, FORMER BUSH SPEECHWRITER How much are we willing to put behind it? Well the President in Prague, I think answered that question. And to my mind, the biggest news of this whole new cycle is his statement to the Czechs who have take enormous domestic and international risk to base American missile defense. That he is going - he has now got two clauses which will allow him to cancel this thing. He said we will proceed with missile defense if it is effective and only so long as there is a threat from Iran. That is that this is a unidirectional defense, not a defense against North Korea, it's not a defense against potentially Russia.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) And, and the, and the question Martha, is where does he put the emphasis? On whether it can be effective or where Iran stops their nuclear program? Both fairly big loopholes.

MARTHA RADDATZ, ABC NEWS (OC) Very big loopholes. And I think what Barack Obama is saying is, is diplomacy is not so easy. It's not just a matter of reaching out your hand or having Ambassador Richard Holbrook meet in a hallway with the Iranians and say, look, we're face to face. It's very complicated. Listen to Ambassador Rice talk about consequences. We're going to have a forceful statement. That's pretty much probably it.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) And do you think...

MARTHA RADDATZ (OC) And we have done that before over and over again. So I think they're seeing the exact same problems that President Bush saw only worse.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) I also asked her is, is the United States concerned about China as China is about chaos, collapse in North Korea. What's the real answer to that question?

RICHARD HAASS The Chinese are concerned about chaos. The last thing that...


RICHARD HAASS Oh, the US needs to be too.

MARTHA RADDATZ (OC) Oh yes, absolutely.

RICHARD HAASS We do not want to see - we don't want to so another conflict on the Korean peninsula and collapse is the most likely way to, to bring it about. The Chinese don't want to see chaos. They don't want to see the United States forces involved in a war right up to their border.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) So that puts limits on any kind of pressure we're going to put on...

RICHARD HAASS Exactly. Also...

MARTHA RADDATZ (OC) That exactly puts the limits on it too. Because we are concerned about chaos. We are concerned about that country falling apart.

GEORGE WILL (OC) But isn't the, isn't the principle inhibition on our effectiveness the fact that we're dealing with a fiction? Ambassador Rice said the community of nations want Iran to rejoin the community of nations. The same thing with North Korean. There is no community of nations or we wouldn't have these problems. That is, there are extremely different interests and different values ranging from Sudan to North Korea to Iran. We don't get along. And, and behind the phrase "community of nations," is the old planted liberal axiom that harmony is natural. It's not.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) It's not. And Arianna what we are - and I talked to Ambassador Rice about this as well - facing Iran at least the Israelis are sending out all kinds of signals that they can't stand for more red lines to be crossed for, for Iran to actually get to the point where they can have a nuclear weapon.

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