the wrong thing to do. Thank you very much. The panel, martha raddatz, bill kristol, a long time since you have been here. Welcome back. Great to be with you. Congressman keith ellison. To pick up on... See More
the wrong thing to do. Thank you very much. The panel, martha raddatz, bill kristol, a long time since you have been here. Welcome back. Great to be with you. Congressman keith ellison. To pick up on the conversation we just had. I take it you saw both the senator and the congressman laid out the dilemma. Not quite willing to cut off u.S. Aid. You are? Yes, I would cut off aid, but engage in intense diplomacy in egypt and the region to restore aid when you stop the bloodshed in the street and set up a path towards democracy that you were on before. In my mind, there's no way to say it's not a coup. It is. We should say so. And then follow our own law which says we cannot fund the coup leaders. The african union said this, europeans said this, we can say this too. Not just the short-term, but we should look at long-term integrity in the region. One country that's not said it is israel. They want to keep the aid flowing. They prefer the military rule to the muslim brotherhood ruling, and an awful lot of people prefer that. A lot of the arab governments prefer it. It's not clear we shouldn't.I'm a little -- most of my friends in the foreign policy world are for cutting off aid. I'm not sure. This is a transitiigger you can only pull once. You can only cut off the aid once. What would happen concretely? What's going to happen in the region if the president said we're going to cut off aid? I'm doubtful, and I think there's a lot to do with the relationship jt egyptian military that would be harder once we cut off aid. White house officials haven't ruled out this step. It would create a fundamentally new relationship with a long-time ally. Definitely. And you've got to remember this aid came about after the camp david accords. One thing that could happen is they monitor the aid more closely, making sure it goes into that funnel, making sure it goes to help with the camp david accords. Israel definitely doesn't want this aid to stop, they definitely don't want it to go away. They don't want the muslim brotherhood around either. Where is this going in the congress? I hope it's going towards sus ending aid until they establish economicic protocols and stop the violence. There's a lot of people, democrats and republicans who are feeling the same way I am, and others. There was actually an amendment earlier this year to suspend aid to egypt. And I don't think it's going to cut aid -- I think it's more a matter of saying we will not fund the coup and bloodshed. If you get your act together, we can reestablish the relationship. It's not a done deal, it's a process which I hope results in the cessation of violence. It's created a series of difficult headlines for the administration. Put some of them up there. Egypt's blood, america's complicity. Obama's greatest failure, the passive president, spineless on egypt. This is an existential problem. This would be happening to any president given our relative decline in power. But is there something the administration could have done earlier to change the course of these events? I think so. We have been withdrawing from the middle east. It's clear. We didn't leave troops in iraq. We set aside in syria, and then assad stayed. And then a year ago, august 20th, 2012, THE PRESIDENT SAID We have a red line in syria. The assad regime's use of chemical weapons. We didn't enforce it. Everyone I've talked to said you look weak. You cannot say you have a red line and do nothing. This time we tried to persuade the defense secretary, 17 phone calls to the egyptian military, to try to tell them don't do this, don't do this. Thing we will not enforce -- think we can't be taken -- we're not taking this as seriously as we should be. In context of u.S. Withdrawal and weakness, a syrian war and 100,000 dead, we get the muslim brotherhood and the military fighting in the streets of cairo. You have to remember what's afterwards. It's not like any other place. You've got 900, a thousand dead in egypt. The muslim brotherhood pushed out of power. What happens to them afterwards and the region because of what happened there? Radicalized. And this is a generational problem. People who were killed have children, grandchildren. This will go on for decades. Leave it right there. Thank you all very much.
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