VANDEN HEUVEL: We're back -- we're back to where you saw this, George, close up. I mean, it is again Bob Rubin in the White House with you, Carville, Robert Reich. It is the deficit hawks versus...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Carville wasn't in the White House.
VANDEN HEUVEL: No, but putting people first. And we've got Geithner, by the way, in the White House wanting to use the TARP money to pay down the deficit. And you have others saying, no, we need to use this money at a time of crisis, of energy in this country, and we can afford the deficit.
And, by the way, when you get outside of Washington and you ask people about jobs versus deficit, it's a myth that people are crazy about reducing the deficit at all costs.
VANDEN HEUVEL: That is just not on the minds of ordinary, non-pundit, ordinary, living Americans.
WILL: Said she from Manhattan.
VANDEN HEUVEL: Hey.
WILL: Look, every dollar...
VANDEN HEUVEL: Burlington (ph)?
WILL: ... we want to siphon out of the economy by the government to spend on the economy comes from the economy. The sky is dark, Katrina, with dollars flying back and forth between consumers and Washington and states. That's not how you stimulate the economy.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And couple -- couple minutes left before we go. Gate-crasher-gate reached a new level this week, hearings on Capitol Hill. The Secret Service went up and testified. White House Social Secretary Desiree Rogers did not. It led to this exchange in the White House briefing room.
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MARK SULLIVAN, SECRET SERVICE DIRECTOR: In our line of work, we cannot afford even one mistake. Although these individuals went through magnetometers and other levels of screening, their entry into the White House...
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STEPHANOPOULOS: We've got the -- we've got the wrong tape up there, but that is -- what you heard there was the head of the Secret Service saying we couldn't make any mistakes. But -- but, George, it was an interesting choice by the White House. Desiree Rogers, the social secretary, called to testify, did refuse, citing separation of powers.
WILL: Yes, executive privilege and all the rest. Yes, look, the -- what's interesting about this is we saw this week an example of the excessive security concerns in this country. Those cadets who listened to the president's speech were in their seats three hours before he talked. Now, think about this. He's talking at West Point. He's surrounded by the United States Army. And they're afraid of what up there? Can't they just get the -- the guest list at the White House right?
HAASS: Talking about to the White House decision, there will be moments over the next three years when this president and this administration are going to need to claim executive privilege, where you've got to protect the confidentiality and the privacy of what this or that adviser says to the president and vice versa. This doesn't seem to me to meet that standard.
And the risk, therefore, is they create a whole pushback or backlash in the Congress and the American public by this expansive claim of executive privilege when it doesn't -- when it doesn't apply. This is not about confidential conversations between the president and a staff member. It's about performance of certain people and -- and its impact on American security, which, by the way, goes beyond the administration.