'This Week' Transcript: Holy War: Should Americans Fear Islam?


GRAHAM: Alright, Pew Research researched the young males coming out of mosques in America, and they went across the United States, between 18 and 33, that one out of four agreed with suicide bombings. Now, this is Pew Research. It's not my -- these are not my numbers. You can check it for yourself. This is a frightening statistic. And I believe the mosques in America -- the majority of the mosques in this country have been hijacked by the radicals and Islamists who want to destroy this country.

AMANPOUR: Agreeing with Franklin Graham is Ayaan Hirsi Ali who joined us by satellite. She was raised a Muslim in Somalia but fled her country and renounced her religion--she has since received death threats for condemning radical Islams

AYAAN HIRSI: Islam is partly a political ideology. And a brilliant example of that is someone like Anjem Choudary, who just joined us. And I think that it is very important that not only Americans, but westerners in general and Muslims, moderate Muslims, the ones who identify themselves as moderate Muslims, take the threat of the agents of political Islam very, very seriously. And every day, they win hearts and minds. They establish Muslim centers. Their movement was very little, but it is growing rapidly, and it's very, very dangerous.

AMANPOUR: what I want to ask you is Brad, there are obviously real fears, which is why this is such a heated debate. What are the real concerns in terms of security that exist right now?

BRAD GARRETT: from Director Mueller to Attorney General Holder, they're going to tell you that the biggest problem in this country right now, as far as terrorism is concerned, is home-grown terrorism. In other words, people that are converting in this country to do bad things to us. And so, as a result, the key is, how many of those people are out there? Nobody really knows the answer to that. But if we look at this historically since 9/11, the numbers don't support. You're talking about the US Department of Justice has prosecuted a little over 400 people for terrorism or terrorism-related crimes. If you break that down into violence, it's like 130 some odd numbers. So, compared to other crime, compared to other issues in this country, it is -- it doesn't sort of match up in that regard.

AMANPOUR: And yet, there's been the attempt here at Times Square, Feisal Shahzad. There's been the Fort Hood. There have been all these issues, which have caused a lot of fear to a lot of people.

GARRETT: I'm not suggesting that it's not a problem, but I think we do need to keep it in perspective.

AMANPOUR But is it a question now of, basically, tarring or conflating, confusing everyone, 1.57 billion Muslims around the world, with that minority group who would do harm and who would cause violence?

GADIEL: I do not say that Islam is evil. I say there is a lot of evil connected with it. That is a problem for Muslims themselves. They have to cure the problem. We're supposed to believe Ms. Khan here, that she can cure the problems of Islam at the fringes. The problem goes to the core, and that is the countries -- you cannot ignore Saudi Arabia and Iran, and the other countries that, undoubtedly do oppress people of a different religion --

AMANPOUR: But we're talking about -- we're talking about America here.

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