KRUGMAN: From my -- from my home state of New Jersey, I think we're in the running there.
WILL: You are.
DONALDSON: We're going to see whether Andrew Cuomo can govern. He's going to be the Democratic nominee. VARGAS: Well, he's -- he's the attorney general, who is currently investigating Governor Paterson, and has expressed interest...
ROBERTS: Currently investigating the governor...
VARGAS: ... the White House had tried privately to encourage Governor Paterson to step...
ROBERTS: Privately? It wasn't so private.
VARGAS: ... wasn't so private, to step aside, so I guess they're probably looking at this as a positive development, that he's not running for election.
ROBERTS: Oh, sure.
DONALDSON: Oh, yes.
ROBERTS: Oh, sure. Yes, but, you know, this business of using the state troopers, which, of course, Eliot Spitzer was also -- I mean, it was all of these -- all these echoes of, you know, the wife standing by as the governor admits to, you know, some perfidy.
And the state troopers, really, if I were the state troopers, I would find a way to just not do what the governor says, because it just gets them in trouble over and over again...
VARGAS: Yes, exactly.
ROBERTS: ... and then there was Arkansas.
VARGAS: And then, of course, this weekend, we have a brand-new White House social secretary appointed to replace Desiree Rogers, a close friend of the Obamas who is exiting after a bumpy tenure, I would say. Cokie, you spoke with her. She -- she was highly criticized after the Obamas' first state dinner in which she arrived, looking absolutely gorgeous, but in what some people later said was far too fancy a dress, but most importantly, that was the state dinner that was crashed by the Salahis, who walked in without an invitation when the social secretary's office didn't have people manning the security sites.
ROBERTS: Well, I talked to -- I did talk to her, Desiree, yesterday at length. She is from my home city of New Orleans and fellow Sacred Heart girl.
DONALDSON: What's the name of the city? ROBERTS: New Orleans.
DONALDSON: I love to hear her say it.
ROBERTS: But -- and she has lots of good explanations about that dinner. And basically, the bottom line is, it's the Secret Service. But she -- but her -- her major point is -- and I -- and I completely take this -- is that she -- she put on 330 events at the White House last year and did open the building to all kinds of people who had not been there before. And they had wonderful music days of all kinds of music, where you had during the day, the musicians would work with kids in Washington and teach them things before coming on at night.
DONALDSON: Cokie, that's irrelevant.
ROBERTS: Well, I don't think it's irrelevant.
DONALDSON: I mean, it's irrelevant. People who work for the president understand or should understand their place, which is to be spear-carriers. There are two stars in anyone's White House, the president and the president's spouse. After that, this passion for anonymity that once was a hallmark of people who worked for a president, has been lost. She wanted to be a star herself...
ROBERTS: And it's been lost. Look at all the people who work for presidents and then go out and write books about them.
DONALDSON: I think you're right.
VARGAS: Do you think she was -- did she quit, or was she asked to leave?