'This Week' Transcript: Former President Bill Clinton

Furthermore, as you point out, it's not even clear what we are saying is unacceptable. Is it unacceptable for them to test a nuclear weapon? What if they come a screwdriver turn away from assembling a weapon, as some other nations in the world probably are? So there's a complete lack of clarity and realism.

TAPPER: Donna, when President Obama took office, one of the things he had campaigned on was engaging with countries like Iran. Hasn't this policy not worked?

BRAZILE: Well, you know, I think the president continues to try to reach out through third parties and others to get Tehran to pay attention, but Tehran has its own agenda. And you saw it during the nuclear summit, that the president sat down with the leader of China to try to get China once again back at the negotiating table, because that's the key to opposing tough sanctions, what they call one of the big options and the last of many other options.

But this week, the House and Senate will sit down to try to strengthen that bill that they've put together that will impose even more tougher sanctions on Iran.

I think, at the end of the day, the administration has to lay it all out on the table. They said they would do it in January. It's now April. I don't believe, you know, much activity has gone on. And this memo is a reminder that Iran is proceeding to form that bomb.


HUNT: Well, I agree with George that sanctions probably don't work, but we couldn't -- I don't think there's any possibility of getting the sort of sanctions that at least arguably might have some effect. I don't think the Chinese will ever go along with the kind of tough energy sanctions that are necessary.

And the interesting thing about what looks to me like a very prescient Gates memo is he's right, and there are not a whole lot of people that have an option that would work. The Israelis think about taking out the -- the facility. People will tell you, yes, but there may not be just one facility. And if they do, the Iranians will unleash Hezbollah and others. What'll that do to the world economy?

There are just no good options here. And the idea of somehow there are going to be moderate mullahs somewhere -- we've been looking for that for 30 years in Iran without a whole lot of success.

TAPPER: Kim, we have less than a minute left. What are your thoughts on the Gates memo?

STRASSEL: Well, I thought what was interesting was the unnamed official who said it was a wake-up call. I mean, surprise. They've spent the past year -- it isn't just -- it isn't just that, you know, they haven't really had a plan, but they've actually spent the last year reaching out to Iran and letting it be known that they're not going to pursue anything against them for bad behavior, and instead concentrated their efforts against Israel, which actually is the one country out there that was making noises that they might go on and do something about this.

So they are starting from ground zero here in January with this memo, and they're going to have to get a lot tougher.

TAPPER: All right. The roundtable discussion will continue in the Green Room. Thanks so much for joining us, all. Check it out at abcnews.com, where you can also check out our fact-checking with the Pulitzer Prize-winning Web site PolitiFact.

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