I'm struck, George, by something that Benjamin Johnson of the American Immigration Council told The Washington Post. Basically, he said that "Too often the immigration debate looks like and is driven by images on television of people jumping over the fences" -- as you mentioned, that 2,000 mile border. But, in fact, a new Brookings report has said that, for the first time, highly skilled immigrants are now outnumbering low-skilled or unskilled people coming over here. It's shifting.
WILL: And we should have more of them. An enormous portion of the people who are seeking advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering and mathematics are from overseas. They come to our wonderful universities. We equip them to add value to our economy and then deport them.
It's madness. Every American advanced degree should come with a green card stapled to it. Let them stay.
AMANPOUR: On the political level, then, how does -- and on the social level, too, how does this country grapple with that quite startling fact, that, in 2050, it will be a majority minority country?
MARTINEZ: Well, I think the demographic changes are not followed immediately by political change. I've seen it happen in Florida. Florida has become a very demographically different state than it was in 1962 when I got there. And the change comes slowly. I was reading about whether in California there will be as many Hispanic majority districts in the new congress as a resort to reapportionment as there should be.
And, you know, the political system tends to hold on, an incompetency and things like that. So I think it does come slowly and it is undoubtedly part of the change of the future.
AMANPOUR: And Michelle, you know, one often thinks, and certainly when you talk to people about immigration and precisely this kind of statistic. People here tend to think that it is about illegal immigration, that because these numbers exploding, it's because of illegal, but apparently it's not. It's about immigration, legal and also the birth explosion here.
RHEE: That's right. And I think we have to find a way to see the positive in this. You know, in the next 20 years in this country, we are going to have 125 million high skill, high-paid jobs. And at the rate that the current public education system is going, we're only going to be able to produce 50 million American kids whose have the kills and knowledge to take those jobs. That means that we are talking about, you know, potentially outsourcing the rest of those jobs, the majority of those jobs overseas.
Why wouldn't be we look at our immigration policy and ensure that those people that George was talking about who are coming into the country, who are taking advantage of our institutions of higher ed, that we keep them here. The -- you know, illegal immigrants even, I've seen children who graduated from DCPS, who are actually incredibly talented at math and science not able to go on to college because they couldn't fill out their FAFSA forms, et cetera.
Why wouldn't we take advantage of that talent to solve some of our problems long term?
AMANPOUR: And meantime, in this area of global competition, students from other countries, are upping their graduation rate as here they're sort of declining.
George, what then is politically possible to try to address some of these very real problems?