'This Week' Transcript: Sen. John McCain

LEAHY: Not often.

GATES: And sometimes they send people to spy on us, and they're our close allies. So...

LEAHY: And we give aid to them.

GATES: That's the real world that we deal with.


AMANPOUR: I'm joined now by Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani. Also with us, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Liz Cheney and David Ignatius of the Washington Post.

Thank you all for being here. Let me get straight to you, Ambassador. You heard that testy exchange. This is the real world. We understand. But why has Pakistan done that with these CIA informants?

HAQQANI: Pakistan has rounded up more than 30 people as part of the investigation about the Osama bin Laden compound. Of course, we were taken by surprise. And among those are, of course, people with all kinds of information. We will be dealing with each one of them on the basis of what information they have.

As far as the concern that there are people amongst the people that we have rounded up who are informants for the CIA, we will deal with them as we would deal with a friendly intelligence service, and we will resolve this to the satisfaction of our friends, as well as to our own laws.

AMANPOUR: So are they being punished? Will they be punished?

HAQQANI: No one is being punished. Basically, this is an exercise in trying to find out what has happened. As Secretary Gates would say, that's the real world. When something like this happens, you want to know what happened and how and who was involved.

AMANPOUR: But you can imagine, of course -- Liz Cheney is sitting here, David Ignatius -- to the Americans, it looks like people who led them to the most-hated, most-wanted terrorist are being punished and detained.

HAQQANI: That is an incorrect characterization for the simple reason that the people who led the Americans to the OBL compound included many people from Pakistan's government. After all, the first intelligence step that enabled the U.S. to piece together the intelligence that got them there came from the Pakistani authorities.

AMANPOUR: Is it a satisfactory response from the ambassador to this incident of the detention of these people?

CHENEY: You know, I think there's no question but that it is, you know, an embarrassment that bin Laden was there for as many years as he was there. But I think it's also -- there's no question that this relationship is hugely important, and it's one in which we have worked together to do very important things, the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the capture of Abu Zubaydah, continuing to fight terrorism.

I think that the extent to which you've got extremists who threaten U.S. interests in Pakistan, they also threaten the Pakistani government. And the surest way for those extremists to win, frankly, is if we react in this sort of a knee-jerk fashion here in the United States or, as Senator McCain said, if we decide that we're going to pull out, that we cannot be counted on to maintain our commitment in Afghanistan until we've been able to make sure we prevail there.

AMANPOUR: We'll get to that in a moment. But, David, what mechanisms are there, do you think, that the United States and Pakistan can reset their relations for this vital and crucial endeavor?

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