'This Week' Transcript: Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Gov. Scott Walker

Obama's top aides rejected the comparison, but critics say it comes down to a question of credibility and confidence, one that President Obama openly acknowledged.

OBAMA: There have been times where I thought that we were slapped around a little bit unjustly. This one is deserved, right? It's on us.


KARL: Republicans, of course, have voted over and over again to either repeal or change Obamacare. But this week we saw something different, Martha, 39 Democrats joined House Republicans in a measure that would fundamentally change the law. And they did that despite the fact that the president had issued a veto threat.

RADDATZ: Thanks, Jon. Stay right there. We're going to broaden our conversation with a pair of political gurus, David Plouffe, who advised President Obama and is now a contributor to ABC News. Welcome, David. Matthew Dowd, top strategist on the George W. Bush campaign and our chief business correspondent Rebecca Jarvis joins us from New York.

I want to go back to you first, Jon. We heard Congress Rahall say in your piece that heads ought to roll. Is that going to happen?

KARL: Well, the answer is, yes, eventually. What I'm hearing from White House officials is there will be changes to the president's team coming out of all this, but they're not looking to fire anyone now. The president firmly believes that would be counterproductive. He needs these people working on fixing the problems.

I mean, can you imagine, Martha, for instance, if there were a change at the top, if Kathleen Sebelius was fired, he would be left with a vacancy at top of HHS and a long drawn out confirmation battle for whoever he would nominate to replace her.

RADDATZ: Matthew Dowd, let's turn to you. It sounds like for policy reason and efficiency reasons, perhaps, they shouldn't have any heads rolling right now, but the optics of this are so bad.

MATTHEW DOWD, ABC NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, the problem is that there is a trust problem that exists. And sometimes the only way to get back to a place where you can rebuild trust is to bring new people in.

To me, this presidency, and actually the last presidency I was involved with in the elections, is they have done a great job at delegation, but they haven't a great job of the second half of what an MBA person is supposed to do which is accountability. And sometimes the only way you can hold people accountable, or enforcing accountability is to bring in new people when things like happen like this, which finally happened obviously with Donald Rumsfeld when Secretary Gates came in.

I think...

RADDATZ: That took a long time.

DOWD: I think at some point, the president needs to demonstrate, yeah, I can delegate things, but I can also hold accountable when things are messed up.

RADDATZ: David Plouffe, is that what you would do?

DAVID PLOUFFE, FRM. OBAMA WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISER: Well, I think right now they're in triage as Jonathan said. And so I think once the website gets fixed, and it will, then you have to step back and say, OK, what do I need to have confidence going forward that I can to implement this law, not just in the comes months, but in the coming years. And I think that's the fundamental question is once you have stabilized, how do you give confidence to the American people and to the president himself that you have this under control going forward.

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