'This Week' Transcript: Tom Donilon

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AMANPOUR: You talked about the death of Osama bin Laden...

DONILON: Yes.

AMANPOUR: ... as a huge milestone on your mission to defeat Al Qaida.

DONILON: Yes.

AMANPOUR: Your Afghanistan policy is about defeating Al Qaida.

DONILON: Yes.

AMANPOUR: Does this mean that you will withdraw more troops?

DONILON: Well, what it means is this, that...

AMANPOUR: Because people are saying that now.

DONILON: Yeah. Yeah, I understand. It is a -- it's an important milestone toward strategic defeat and it's an important step towards our achieving our goals. And the president has laid out quite clearly and worked with our allies on this that we'll begin a withdrawal in July of X number of troops.

AMANPOUR: Will you bring more than you had expected?

DONILON: We haven't made those determinations yet, is the absolute honest answer.

AMANPOUR: Thanks so much for joining us.

DONILON: OK, thank you.

AMANPOUR: Thank you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

AMANPOUR: And you can find more of that interview with Tom Donilon, the national security adviser, online, including about the way forward in Libya.

AMANPOUR: But right now, as we've been saying, America's alliance with Pakistan has never been before so severely tested, and so we're going to ask directly now the Pakistani ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani.

Thank you so much for joining us.

You heard what National Security Adviser Donilon said. They have no evidence that anybody in your camp knew. But I want to know, do you categorically deny that any member of the government, the military, or the intelligence had any notion or was harboring Osama bin Laden?

HAQQANI: If any member of the Pakistani government, the Pakistani military, or the Pakistani intelligence service knew where Osama bin Laden was, we would have taken action. Osama bin Laden's presence in Pakistan was not to Pakistan's advantage.

You know Pakistan well, Christiane. You were there immediately after 9/11. We still have many jihadi has-beens from the 1980s who are still alive and well and kicking, and some of them could have been helping them, but they are not in the state or government of Pakistan today.

AMANPOUR: Right, but let's call a spade a spade. Osama bin Laden, number-one terrorist in the world, including against Pakistan, was hiding in your West Point town. There are barriers, there are checks. Foreigners just can't go there just willy-nilly. I know that for a fact, and so do others.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, KSM, was found in a similar garrison town in Rawalpindi a few years ago. How can this happen without the tacit knowledge or without some kind of involvement?

HAQQANI: Let me proffer another explanation.

AMANPOUR: But that's the question.

HAQQANI: Yeah. It's a state, it's a country with lots of people. It's a very difficult country in the sense of its capacity to deal with the problems. As the national security adviser said, a lot more people have been arrested in Pakistan, including Al Qaida people, than in any other country. So Pakistan did not have a policy of protecting these people.

However, the United States spent much more money in Iraq than it did in Afghanistan. And then it spent much more money in Afghanistan than it did in Pakistan. So were there cracks through which things fell through? Absolutely. And we'll investigate that; we'll get to the bottom of it.

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