SCOTT McCLELLAN: They- yeah. Yeah, they're, they're, they're good people. Uh, I was proud to serve alongside both of those individuals you mention. Uh, but I don't think that they've been able to take off their partisan hat like I was, and really take a clear-eyed look at things. Uh, I did, and I took a very clear-eyed look. Uh, I think that they're starting to understand, uh, as they read the book, that, uh, uh, this is a sincere effort by me, to understand the truth, from my standpoint, from my perspective, and then share it out with others. And, and hopefully, uh, give people something to think about, so that- and, and give them some ideas, for how we can stop this from happening in the future, how we can minimize the effects of the President campaign.
MARTHA RADDATZ: What, what do you think, as a reporter sitting on the front row of the White House, I should think, when I listen to press briefings today?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Uh, I think you've got a very capable Press Secretary there. I, I hired her. Um, uh, but, you know, she very much is there, uh, probably operating, uh, very similar to the way we did things when I was there.
MARTHA RADDATZ: Permanent campaign.
SCOTT McCLELLAN: I don't, I don't- you know, I think that she's someone who is very committed to serving the public and serving the President, and, uh, she is someone who does things, uh, uh, based on her own beliefs. And, uh, I can't, I, I'm not going to put my head in, in, uh, or put myself inside her head. Um, I think she's a very capable person...
MARTHA RADDATZ: When you, when you hear the briefings, though, are we being spun, exaggerated? Being led?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Well I haven't- I haven't paid attention to the briefings, uh, lately, uh, [INAUDIBLE] to finishing the book, and, uh, I don't have really time to watch too many of those briefings, nowadays.
MARTHA RADDATZ: Does it, does it hurt you to hear what Bartlett's saying, what Ari Fleischer's saying, what all of Bush's...?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: I, I'm not surprised, but I mean, I think it's to be expected. Um, uh, the White House did not want me to go out and openly and honestly kind of talk about these issues. Uh, they would prefer that I would've remained silent, I'm sure.
MARTHA RADDATZ: It, it...
SCOTT McCLELLAN: But I felt, I felt...
MARTHA RADDATZ: People, people say, "Scott- Scott wrote this book for money, to sell books."
SCOTT McCLELLAN: And those are people that probably haven't even read the book, uh, I would say right off the bat, but, um, you know, my grandfather served in the University of Texas Law School for a long time, and he instilled in us at a very early age, that it's not the dollars you make, it's the difference you make. And that's something that stuck with me for a long time. Uh, this wasn't an easy thing to do. Uh, but I felt it was important for that reason. And, I've spent my career in politics and public service, and I view this book as an extension of my public service. It's a political education that I went through, and now it's an opportunity to share something back, with the broader American public, that will hopefully improve things for the better.
MARTHA RADDATZ: Do you think you would have written it if you hadn't been fired?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Well, and there, there are two things, uh, there. Uh, one, uh, I was ready to leave the White House at the time. I, as I describe in great detail.
MARTHA RADDATZ: Not, not in, not in...