Nov 17, 2011 12:35pm

Wall St. Commuter: “We’re All 99%. This Is Ridiculous.”

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As part of Occupy Wall Street’s plans for its largest protest ever, occupiers may garner more disdain from the 99 percent than the 1 percent by attempting to clog New York’s subway system. The notion of disrupting transit in the nation’s largest city isn’t sitting well with commuters, few of whom are Wall Street titans.

One commuter to the financial district expressed her frustration today over delays on her commute every day this week. Her normal commute should last about seven minutes but now takes 25 minutes.

“This has been every day for this past week, 25 minutes to get from Canal to Wall.  It’s shameful — we are all 99 percent, this is ridiculous,” the unidentified woman told WABC.

The protesters’ “Day of Action” included rallying around the New York Stock Exchange to try to shut it down. Police blocked off the area surrounding it, Broad Street and Wall Street, and have made several arrests but business went on at the exchange as usual.

The goal of the protesters is to cause a disruption after anger at police and the city for clearing out their camping grounds in Zuccotti Park early Tuesday morning. Protesters plan to ride the subway this afternoon and march over the Brooklyn Bridge at 5 p.m. But who are they really disrupting?

Two-thirds of subway users, generally the people with the lowest incomes, pay $2.25 for a single ride. About a third of subway riders pay $104 for a 30-day subway pass, which tend to be the wealthiest users of public transportation, according to the New York Times. The income levels of subway riders are hard to come by, as New York City’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) doesn’t collect and distribute that data.

[Live blog of Occupy Wall Street's "Day of Disruption" in New York City]

The New York City subway system has 468 stations, the largest number of public transit subway stations of any system in the world, according to the MTA.  On an average weekday, 5,156,913 rides are taken on the subway. The Census Bureau’s American Community Survey reports 57.8 percent of New York City’s commuters use the subway, 21 percent walk, 7 percent drive alone, 2.3 percent carpool and 6.3 percent work at home, according to survey estimates from 2005 to 2009.

Lydia Jung, an administrative assistant who commutes to Manhattan from the borough of Queens, said she “wholeheartedly” supports protesters’ desire to assemble, but most New Yorkers are “very touchy” when it comes to MTA disruptions and delays.

“With fare hikes and service cuts, it takes very little for me and almost everyone else I know to be set off by further delays,” Jung said. “Everyone I know already has a long enough commute home.  We just want to get home at the end of the day.”

Jung said disrupting services would unlikely win the support of the apathetic New Yorkers.

“If anything, there’s a very real possibility that it will create opposition from the people that would have supported them in theory,” she said.

At least one commuter defended the protests.

“It’s a small inconvenience for the ability to have everybody to be here on the street letting their voices be heard,” an unidentified man told WABC.

But commuters across the country are losing their empathy or patience with the protesters.

In Philadelphia, Gina Carrano, 30, said her biggest concern during her commute to city hall, where Occupy Philadelphia protesters have gathered, is sanitation.

“The subway is right below so a lot of protesters were going down and relieving themselves,” the legal reporter said. “I used to take their train to work but a week or two after the protest started, I stopped because the stench was so bad.”

John Tabacco, CEO of Locatestock.com, was so frustrated with the disruption by his office near Zuccotti Park that he started a “Free Wall Street” campaign on Thursday.

Tabacco is inviting other financial firms, business owners and commuters, to “rally” in opposition to Occupy Wall Street.

“The way to end any Occupation is to form a coalition of freedom fighters to rebel against the unwanted occupiers,” he said in a statement. “Since its inception, Occupy Wall Street protesters have caused problems for local businesses and hard working people that work on Wall Street and surrounding offices near Zuccotti Park.”

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Just a heads up, subway fare is $2.25 in NYC.

Posted by: Justin | November 17, 2011, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

These protesters are idiots. Do they think shutting down business is going to help the economy? This is the beginning of Christmas season and many retailers survive on Christmas shopping. These actions show they are really anarchist.

Posted by: The Commenter | November 17, 2011, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

They were expecting 10,000 and 1,000 showed up, that is pretty funny.

Posted by: jrcmacs | November 17, 2011, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

I can see where they are coming from but it would have been better, at least I think, if they had just marched on Wall Street and the Capital/Congress, etc. Instead they have inconvenienced the hard working people they are doing this for….they are on private property with drumming all night keeping people who go to work and need sleep from doing so. They are harming businesses and hurting the very ones they are fighting for. They got fed, all kinds of donations, free flu shots, etc. Where are these donators when people who are truly in need need them? And it has gotten so out of control, fighting with the police, getting arrested, that people have lost sight of the point of this.

Posted by: Barb | November 17, 2011, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Shouldn’t they be blocking private copters, limos and jets instead?

Posted by: Joy | November 17, 2011, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Why can’t these can’t these unemployed, and old people protesting get out of our way, don’t’ they know we are trying to Christmas shop?

Posted by: LetMeExplain | November 17, 2011, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

dont worry this is only the beginning. People tend to do this when they are fed up and have nothing to lose. This country is on a steady decline to 3rd world police state status and one day you will be at zuccotti park, mark my words.

Posted by: JOHN DOE | November 17, 2011, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Idiots. If the media would quit giving them coverage they would all go home and be the worthless lot they were before the OWS thing.

Posted by: billy bob | November 17, 2011, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

It’s now super-duper clear just what malcontent losers these protesters are. So glad they insist on, and persist in, revealing themselves for what they truly are…moronic losers.

Posted by: Bruno | November 17, 2011, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

You see, this is what happens when you feed the animals.

Posted by: Patrick | November 17, 2011, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

The Commenter | November 17, 2011, 1:09 pm —- One of them admitted that one of the goals of the “occupy” movement was to get the cities to pay, pay and pay to counter them…. kind of a “wearing them down” financially strategy!! — Has any of you heard of “Cloward and Piven”??? —- They’re all commies and anarchists!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | November 17, 2011, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

occupy a job hippy!

Posted by: Joe Everyguy | November 17, 2011, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

It’s too bad lady that you had to be inconvenienced. This uprising was not fabricated and paid for by the Koch brothers and has not had daily free publicity on FOX news. This is a true uprising by the people for the people. It is not corporate sponsored and therefore does not have rallies with paid speakers. The only way they can have their voices heard is disruption of the status quo. President Obama was elected to change the status quo and due to constant obstruction by the corporate bought and paid for politicians, every attempt to make changes has been blocked or watered down to the point of uselessness. We want our change! We elected a president in 2008 with a platform of change. We got the president but the all important platform has been blocked with filibusters and obstructionist votes. Wall Street STILL operates without rules to protect middle class Americans from greed and collapse. We want our change!

Posted by: mythoughts57 | November 17, 2011, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

I just don’t understand what they hope to accomplish by preventing their fellow 99 percenters – their comrades – from going about their day, going to work and feeding their families. If their gripe is with the top 1 percent, they should be targeting their efforts towards them in their private cars and upscale offices, not the subways and banks where the rest of us frequent. Certainly, they can no longer claim that their efforts are aimed at helping the 99 percent of us when their very actions are hurting us.

Posted by: lil me | November 17, 2011, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

The last sentence sums it up quite well, the stench was so bad.

Posted by: angie | November 17, 2011, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

I wish they showed pictures of the people who post on these abc message boards. I bet most of you are old people who were handed everything in life and completely out of touch with reality. I’m actually at work but I bet you’re all at home living on that social security check that i’m paying for you, lol

Posted by: JOHN DOE | November 17, 2011, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

mythoughts57 | November 17, 2011, 1:36 pm —– Yeah, I want “change” every time I look at Obama’s record!!!! —— 1) Obamacare, 2) Dodd-Frank, 3) unemployment, 4) record deficits three years in a row, 5) US credit downgrade, 6) spending up 24% in three years… 5) Solyndra-Gate… 6) Fast&Furious-Gate… 7) Fiskar-Gate… 8) SunPower-Gate (coming soon)!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | November 17, 2011, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

These bunch of losers need to get out of the way and let everyone else, who is carrying them on their backs, get back to work. There’s a reason why a lot of these people don’t have jobs … it’s because no one wants to employ them!

Posted by: pgdion | November 17, 2011, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

From what I’ve seen, a lot of these protesters need to look into occupying a shower once in a while. Occupying an employment office would be a good idea too, but baby steps…

Posted by: Dave | November 17, 2011, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

mythoughts57 – you are kidding right? OWS is far, far from a grass roots movement. IT is funded by George Soros, organized by ACORN (under its new name) and has had more media hype than it has deserved. The media has bent over backwards in its attempt to give this movement nothing but positive publicity (although that tide is starting to turn). This is not a true uprising by the people. A true uprising by the people starts with a goal that is usually directed at government and aims to effect government change. This is just a bunch of kids complaining via their I-phones and laptops that corporate America has become too greedy, without for a minute acknowledging how their own greed for consumer goods has fed the problem. I read your comments and thought surely you are being sarcastic, after all, when we elected the president who promised us change, he went into the white house backed with a powerful super majority in the senate and a majority in the house. He could have passed anything if only he could have gotten his own team to stay on board, but alas, he could not, so better blame the opposing party even though they held none of the cards and none of the power during Obama’s first two years.

Posted by: another mother | November 17, 2011, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

These occupiers don’t get it. They’re angering the wrong people. The 1% are likely highly amused.

Posted by: Jen | November 17, 2011, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

Did the police ever find out what that liquid was that the occupiers sprayed in the cops faces this morning? I hope they test it for HIV as these occupiers have been known for using laced fluid as a weapon like that before.

Posted by: kris | November 17, 2011, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

The article implies that only wealthy people can afford to pay for the $104/month subway pass. If you do the math, assuming 2 subway rides a day, it works out to $1.73 per ride. Compare that to the $2.25 that “the poor” are paying; that works out to $135.00 per month of subway fees. Poor people would be better off buying the 30-day pass.

Posted by: nick77 | November 17, 2011, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

FAT people like her too lazy to do anything to contribute to her country than watch bad reality TV all night and considers herself living in “FREEDOM” as long as she can eat at McDonalds and shop at places like Target and Home Depot

Posted by: sigmund seamonster | November 17, 2011, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

We elected a president in 2008 with a platform of change. We got the president but the all important platform has been blocked with filibusters and obstructionist votes. Wall Street STILL operates without rules to protect middle class Americans from greed and collapse. We want our change!

Posted by: mythoughts57 |
—HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,ROFL, you are too funny. You got your change, now live with it.

Posted by: billy bob | November 17, 2011, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

I bet the OWS protesters are smarter and have more skills than the people that are posting here. The only reason why some of you arent starving is because you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and handed everything, lol

Posted by: JOHN DOE | November 17, 2011, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

mythoughts57 — Kind of hilarious that anyone would comment in support of the “occupy” movement…. gosh… after one murder, one attempted murder, at least three rapes, thousands arrested, public nudity, public “gratifying themselves”, property destruction,disobeying law enforcement, THOUSANDS of arrests…. are these people like YOU???

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | November 17, 2011, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

A true american patriot goes to work for a depreciated salary, after all he needs to keep feeding the bankers that own him …….. One day all angry NY commuters (once their hopes get killed by the 1%) will look back at OWS and wish they would have done something …….

Posted by: Adrian Sosa | November 17, 2011, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Marching anywhere solves nothing. These idiots need to learn about how their Government works so that they can begin to understand HOW changes are made in this country. Marching changes nothing. I think most of these people have nothing else to do so it’s a way for them to “keep busy” and occupy their otherwise, dull lives. They are seen by most of the country like little kids playing in a sandbox. As businessmen and women walk by they pat them on the head and say “What a good boy you are” and then get on to work while these little children sit outside and show the world how stupid they are.

Posted by: RalphF | November 17, 2011, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

SIGMUND SEAMONSTER – You left out a very important item. Someone also raised you, lazy, complaining because you’re not making top dollar fresh out of school, doesn’t know the first thing about real life because you’ve been living under mommy and daddys’ roof, never had to pay taxes yet to know what it feels like 40 years later, incapable of intelligent thought, superior feeling above others in your own mind, and mediocre at playing computer games.

Posted by: Give Me a Break | November 17, 2011, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

TheLoyalOpposition – They are more me than the gun-toting, secessionist, racist crazies of the Tea Party. And yet people like you thought they were amazing. The Tea Party are total astro-turf made up to scare self-absorbed entitled white people (BTW I am a white male, so don’t even try to hit that reverse racism button) about those “colored others” OWS are a real movement of people fed up with the Rich turning us into a modern Lord/Serf relationship.

If we keep giving it all to the Rich like we have… we’ll end up in 2012-2013 American version of the French Revolution. I don’t look forward to those days.

BTW – I put my real name here.. .why aren’t you brave enough to do the same?

Posted by: John Saul | November 17, 2011, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

I bet the OWS protesters are smarter and have more skills than the people that are posting here. The only reason why some of you arent starving is because you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and handed everything, lol

Posted by: JOHN DOE

Nope. No silver spoon here. My I-phone wasn’t given to me, I actually had to work for it at this thing I like to call “a job.” My job pays me an income in exchange for my skills and labor. I use that income to buy things like the laptops these jobless kids are using to update their blogs. If they have all this free time to camp out, disrupt commuters and blog, then it’s safe to assume they don’t have a job, how are they affording their laptops and internet connections? Hmmm? How do they pay the bills for their fancy android phones? Perhaps they are the ones with a silver spoon.

Posted by: don't be silly | November 17, 2011, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

One thing that I would have doen from day one is to record the name of every protestor. I would then have cross checked those names with people on unemployment or welfare and they would lose their access to those gov’t benefits for 6 months as their contribution to the taxpayers cost for clean up / crowd control / sanitation management..

Posted by: Mr. Data | November 17, 2011, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

“I’m actually at work but I bet you’re all at home living on that social security check that i’m paying for you, lol”…………….. You on the net while at work? And you are laughing at people collecting Social Security? To collect Social Security that means you paid into it.. That means they earned the right to be paid. HOW did you earn the right to be being paid to sit on your rear doing nothing??? Maybe your company needs to hire mine to put a little software into place to make sure you are WORKING while at work. Another one of those who think they should be paid to do nothing.

Posted by: anotherday | November 17, 2011, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Again I ask…after 20+ days of protesting what have these people accomplished? Do they think the 1% cares that they are protesting in parks and blocking subways. Do they think the 1% spends anytime in either location They only people that have been affected by OWS are the local business owners, they lose money daily. No one want to venture into this chaos to visit their stores. They only people paying for this are the same people they claim to represent. We are stuck paying for the police to be there, for the parks to be cleaned, the trash to be picked up.
If this is what to be as they claim “helping me”…Lord help me.

Posted by: Kendall | November 17, 2011, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Instaed of laying about on WS perhaps they should look at their I-Pods ,I-Pads,I-Phones, Gap Clothes on and on. Go lay infront of the headquarters demanding these products be manufactured in America. Guess what? JOBS in America. Morons!

Posted by: Bill Thomas | November 17, 2011, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

GIVE ME A BREAK, thats pretty funny coming from someone named “GIVE ME A BREAK” dont you think?

Posted by: JOHN DOE | November 17, 2011, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

5 mil + times $2.25 a ride can you imagine how much money in one single day that brings in? i cant. people had enough the rich will only get richer and the poor will only get poorer this is a police state either your with the evil or against it and let me tell you evil is not within the poor trying to survive it is with the rich at the top trying to crush values at the bottom go and suport your fellow man.

Posted by: dupa | November 17, 2011, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Check the record people. EVERY attempt at change has been met with complete obstruction by the GOP. The GOP has blocked or watered down EVERY bill to put people back to work. GOP Governors around the country are cutting government employees as fast as the private sector has been able to hire therefore the unemployment numbers have not moved. There is a concerted effort by the John Boehner led House to block EVERYING this president does. There is a concerted political effort by the Republicans to force failure on President Obama and in extension on the American economy. You know it, I know it, IT’s A FACT.

Posted by: mythoughts57 | November 17, 2011, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Dont be silly what job would that be? working fast food? I mean you didnt mention anything about a house, car, college. All you mentioned was an iphone and laptop, LOL hey anotherday dont be jealous because I have a good job with great perks. My company doesnt treat me like a slave. I happen to be a great worker and they trust me with internet access. I continue to get raises and promotions and treated fairly. Instead of being jealous of me why dont you focus on meeting that software installation quota before you get laid off. We wouldnt want you to end up at zuccotti park lol

Posted by: JOHN DOE | November 17, 2011, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

“I bet the OWS protesters are smarter and have more skills than the people that are posting here.”

I doubt that. If they had any brains at all, they’d realize how badly they’ve hurt their own cause. They’d realize that many of the people who supported them in the beginning have nothing but disdain for them now (me being one of them). They’d realize that without public support, their protest has failed.

They’re out to put pressure on the 1%, but in reality the only people they’ve inconvenienced at all are the people they claim to be trying to help.

Posted by: AmericaThePitiful | November 17, 2011, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

Hey, at least NYers can use the Park right? This was after all worth using force and violence to achieve. All the occupiers wanted was to stake out a place in protesting their grievances as guaranteed them by the supreme law of the land, the US Constitution.

It is the First Amendment which guarantees the right to Free Speech, Assemble, and to demand redress of grievances. I…I…must admit ignorance, it must be a later Amendment that guarantees the right to not be inconvenienced by persons practicing any previously enumerated rights…and guarantees businesses the right to make a profit. My ignorance on that last would explain why I did not understand why we bailed out all those failing businesses. Maybe someone in the know would be kind enough to point out the places in the Constitution I am ignorant of…

Solidarity.

Posted by: KitNyx | November 17, 2011, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

LOL. Solyndra = 500 million dollars (half a billion, yes) straight down the drain for absolutely nothing. Go protest that, numbskulls and hypocrites.

Posted by: Bob | November 17, 2011, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

These idiot OWS people are just out for themselves. Trying to get free money donations and handouts. They aren’t bothering the top 1% at all with these protests. They’re just hurting those they purport to be representing. Why block the 99% from riding the subway to get to their families? Do you honestly think anyone in the top 1% rides the train? they’re so stupid.

it’s all a transparent sham.

Posted by: caligula | November 17, 2011, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

These idiot OWS people are just out for themselves. Trying to get free money donations and handouts. They aren’t bothering the top 1% at all with these protests. They’re just hurting those they purport to be representing. Why block the 99% from riding the subway to get to their families? Do you honestly think anyone in the top 1% rides the train? they’re so darn stupid.

it’s all a transparent sham.

Posted by: john | November 17, 2011, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

NIMBY

Posted by: Ortho Stice | November 17, 2011, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

these little brats want a job making $40-50,000 with no skills. Guess what imbeciles, many of us have had to work multiple jobs at once to make ends meet. It’s called hard work and sacrifice. Every generation has done it. You’re so spoiled you want people to hand you everything.

-From a REAL 99%-er

Posted by: caligula | November 17, 2011, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Check the record people. EVERY attempt at change has been met with complete obstruction by the GOP. The GOP has blocked or watered down EVERY bill to put people back to work. GOP Governors around the country are cutting government employees as fast as the private sector has been able to hire therefore the unemployment numbers have not moved. There is a concerted effort by the John Boehner led House to block EVERYING this president does. There is a concerted political effort by the Republicans to force failure on President Obama and in extension on the American economy. You know it, I know it, IT’s A FACT.

Posted by: mythoughts57

It’s called politics – each side generally opposes one another because they want to push their own plans through. It’s nothing new. The fact remains, for Obama’s first two years it really didn’t matter how loudly the GOP yelled or put up roadblocks, they had no power, all they could do was yell. The democrats had all the power for two years – Obama’s first two years. The democrats had the White House, a supermajority in the senate and a majority in the House. It’s not the GOP that stood in their way, it members of Obama’s own party that stood in the way. Facts are tricky little things, and in this case, you simply can’t blame the republicans, who were powerless, for any of Obama’s failures in his first two years. At some point people need to get away from this blind party loyalty and realize that each party has good people and bad people and each party has good ideas and bad ideas. This democrats/good-republicans/evil script is starting to wear thin and most people see right through it anyway.

Posted by: get a grip | November 17, 2011, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

So, the occupants in “Obamaville” want to stop hard-working, low-payed employees from making an honest buck?
Then maybe these occupiers should hand out cash or gift certificates to those who’s lives the’ve disrupted.
THE OWS crowd has totally lost sight of their original mission.
Now, they are simply a bunch of loud-mouthed buffoons.
Please: go home and get a life.
The rest of us minimum-wage earners don’t have the luxury like you fools to sit around and block others from just trying to do their job.

Posted by: Eric | November 17, 2011, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Dont be silly what job would that be? working fast food? I mean you didnt mention anything about a house, car, college. All you mentioned was an iphone and laptop, LOL hey anotherday dont be jealous because I have a good job with great perks. My company doesnt treat me like a slave. I happen to be a great worker and they trust me with internet access. I continue to get raises and promotions and treated fairly. Instead of being jealous of me why dont you focus on meeting that software installation quota before you get laid off. We wouldnt want you to end up at zuccotti park lol

Posted by: JOHN DOE

What are you talking about? You were the one who said that people commenting against the OWS protesters only have their jobs because they must have been born with a silver spoon. I’m simply saying, nope, no silver spoon here and that you are very, very wrong to make assumptions about people. Someday, perhaps you will be mature enough to realize that. By the way, I don’t work in the fast food industry but certainly do not look down on (as you apparently do) the thousands of hard working folks who do work in the fast food industry. It’s hard work and I know many upwardly mobile kids (without silver spoons) who work their way through college working fast food. Shame on you.

Posted by: Don't be silly | November 17, 2011, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

The Libs/Dems have bet on the wrong pony. If they think they are going to sucker in the majority, to support this faux protest, wait until Nov 2012. You will then see the light.

Posted by: ettucat | November 17, 2011, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

way to jam up the people you supposedly represent. the OWS clowns would have us believe that their movement is so important, so righteous, that everyone’s life should stop for their idiotic tantrum. enough with these goofballs. this stunt today will do more to erode what waning support they have than anything any of their opponents could have done. this is what you get when you have a bunch of immature mooshbrains who think people like che guevara are heroes of humanity hades bent on forcing their brand of governance and social organization on everyone else. and at this point it’s plainly obvious that they realize their words and campouts aren’t doing anything to sway the masses to their cause. the next step is for them to simply blow the whole thing up, cause riots, cause complete chaos in hopes of changing the system by creating bedlam because they couldn’t win a battle of ideas. they’ve devolved from simply being annoying and offensive to being dangerous. time for them to go.

Posted by: grumpopolis | November 17, 2011, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

mythought57, if OWS people intend to increase their violent disruptions, they will provide the police with all the probable cause they need to arrest, and yes, use massive force to subdue them. and at this point, you’re not going to find too many mainstream americans who will care one bit about the police gassing and clubbing mobs of violent thugs. it’s plain that the OWS folks now want to have violent confrontations because they think that will create sympathy. the only problem with that approach is that they are the ones initiating the violence now. americans have a great deal of sympathy for victims of unwarranted uses of police force. they have little to no sympathy for people who bring that force upon themselve by their own actions. OWS has blown it on this account. you can’t cause the violence and then claim to be an innocent victim. OWS has forfeited that position as of today.

Posted by: grumpopolis | November 17, 2011, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Hey Joe Everyguy! Your buddy Obama received more campaign contributions from Wall Street donors than any other president. Stop blaming Congress for Obama’s failings! Obama has been using the US Treasury to pay back all his cronies that helped raise money to get him elected! Solyndra ring a bell to you or are you too busy protesting to educate yourself to what is really going on? Obama has had a successful presidency, in his estimation. He is doing exactly what he set out to do, destroy this country’s economy.

Posted by: Tbanch | November 17, 2011, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Posted by: sigmund seamonster | November 17, 2011, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm : “FAT people like her too lazy to do anything to contribute to her country than watch bad reality TV all night and considers herself living in “FREEDOM” as long as she can eat at McDonalds and shop at places like Target and Home Depot”. Wow! Hate much? Thanks for showing some of the true colors of the Occupy Wall Street protesters. SHE’S JUST TRYING TO GET TO HER JOB! WHICH SHE HAS A RIGHT TO DO! See, anarchists believe only THEIR rights to protest matter. Grow up.

Posted by: MyRealName | November 17, 2011, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

I would feel it part of my duty to pay a price for the rights of all of us to remain in tact. what is a little inconvience when it comes to your constitutional rights. irregardless if you agree or disagree with any protest, this is a valuable part of our keeping our rights. while few will protest for the many, at least be willing to pay in other ways for not participating. why is it that people only think these rights exist only when they agree with the actions. thats why most are ignorant and have no idea how important these rights are at any cost. you poor little thing your whole world was upset because you had to spend your precious little extra minutes in this delay. I do not agree or disagree with the message these protestors are protesting for, by I dam- sure believe they have every right to do it. and the minute I stop believing that, I am a traitor, take me out and shoot me. the amount of sacrifice given by our founding fathers and the war dead, along with those who have suffered in any way or died to defend and keep these rights are owed as much as we can give them .

Posted by: fatwillie | November 17, 2011, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

I think protest is beneficial in terms of being able to affect change; however, you must have some idea of what you want changed and how to go about changing it if you want your protest to be effective. It seems to me this is a group of angry people who have no real agenda aside from expressing their anger, which is justified; but everyone seems to want something different and then there are the people who are there just because. It has gone from a protest to a rag tag group of angry individuals feeding off others, making a mess and committing crimes. The protest has been successful in getting attention but it’s losing its luster because it is not organized and there is no tangible agenda.

Posted by: carole | November 17, 2011, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

ETTUCAT, it’s not just libs and dems, check out a few of the signs people are carrying in these protests. They are dogging Obama. Get your facts straight and place the blame where it belongs … on the people protesting. Also, November 2012 might surprise you. Don’t be so sure of yourself.

Posted by: ca | November 17, 2011, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

im reporting all of you to Attack Watch.

remember that? LOL

Posted by: caligula | November 17, 2011, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

Everyone against this movement keep drinking the kool aide that everything is fine in this country

1) keep paying for record gas prices while those corporations every quarter report record profits
2) college tuition rising up by more than 10% in most cases
3) unemployment around 20% (true number not the number the gov’t wants you to see
4) veterans get treated poorly by our gov’t when they come home
5) education cuts all around, kids suffer
6) around 50 million americans with no health insurance
7) wars that never end
8) corporations getting tax cuts while sending jobs overseas and the ceo’s making record bonuses.
9) congress and our president have done nothing to improve this country, use our money to fund these corrupt corporations when they are at risk for going under.

So many things can be added that are wrong with this country at the moment. Stop kidding yourself into thinking this movement represents nobody or has no cause.

Posted by: MS | November 17, 2011, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

FATWILLIE – The idea of exercising rights isn’t easy. Yes, people have a right to protest – they do not have the right to interfere with the rights of others who don’t wish to participate. By blocking access and disrupting schedules of others they violate the rights of others, where in the Constituion is that allowed? Rights are a give and take – for one to have rights, rights must be taken from someone else. What about the rights of the small business owners who have lost business due the camping in the park. They have paid rent for the space their business occupies – what right do the protesters have to infringe on the rights of the business owner? People have a right to use public transportation after paying a fare – what right do protesters have in disrupting that schedule? Just because you feel it may be a “little inconvience” to the commuter doesn’t make it right for the protester to disrupt.

Posted by: Give Me a Break | November 17, 2011, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

FAIL!!! Don’t they know the 1% don’t take the subway or mass transit.

Posted by: NoSpin1600 | November 17, 2011, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

@fatwillie… AS I posted on another thread.. I was in the USMC for 10 years.. I served so these people could have these rights, so I have no issue with them exercising their rights. BUT, I ALSO served for the people who DON’T support them and have the right to go about their day without someone else trampling on theirs. I won’t get in the way of your rights as long as you don’t get in the way of mine.
@John Doe.. You at work WHILE you are surfing and blogging on the net? And, you hassling people who earn Social Security AFTER they worked to earn it? No wonder our country is in such shape when you are wasting your Companies money and time NOT doing the job you are getting paid to do.

Posted by: anotherday | November 17, 2011, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

As if the 1% use the trains. Thanks for nothing.

Posted by: imhere60 | November 17, 2011, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

@MS… please tell us how any of what they are doing is going to change any of that?? The people who pass those laws are in DC.. most of those in DC are in the top 1%.. Nancy Palosi.. net worth over 30 million.. John Boehner.. net worth over 6 million… Barrack Obama… Net worth over 10.5 million. YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING to change anything with these people in office. DO YOU really think they give a Rat’s Rear about you or those protesting on WALL STREET. LOL.. Obama is visiting Australia, so do you think he cares? The protests need to be in DC.. when you all go to DC and throw the 1% OUT OF OFFICE, then count me in, I will go. BUT, I WILL NOT SUPPORT you screwing with the 99%, and I am sorry, that is all you are doing at the moment.

Posted by: anotherday | November 17, 2011, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Keep letting the government and police take away your rights. The government doesn’t care about the people in this country only in others.

Posted by: MS | November 17, 2011, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

You don’t see advocates of reason and science clogging the street in the belief that using their bodies to stop traffic will solve any problem…

Posted by: James | November 17, 2011, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

We are all part of the ((1/360,000,000)*100)% in that each of us is unique and should not be lumped into a group by someone trying to profile us based on some criteria! (Isn’t this the argument against the Arizona immigration enforcement laws?)

Posted by: Common _ Sense | November 17, 2011, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

@anotherday

So your saying Wall Street is not doing anything wrong? D.C. and Wall Street are sleeping together and both need to be held accountable. I would like to see this in D.C. also but I am for this movement going after Wall Street and Bloomberg who is bankrupting NY. The politicians do care because every time the movement is brought up they all say negative things about it.

Posted by: MS | November 17, 2011, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

@MS….. I did NOT say that at all. The people who make the laws and rules that WALL street live by are in DC.. and guess what.. MOST OF THEM ARE 1% also. Obama… Net worth.. 10.5 million.. Nancy Palosi.. 30 million.. John Boehner… 6 million. WHAT are you doing now?? You are costing the NYC taxpayer Millions of Dollars.. IT IS NOT COMING OUT OF THE POCKET OF THE 1%.. MOST OF THEM are not paying those taxes..

Posted by: anotherday | November 17, 2011, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

WE ARE THE 99% ! This all for us, the people, they are doing us a favor…don’t complain because you can’t get home to your little home that the government taxes everything on…its for a good cause. The end.

Posted by: suzie | November 17, 2011, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

The ultimate goal of disruption, division and chaos is being met by the people who pull the strings on the Occupiers. They aren’t camping in tents, getting raped, picking up fleas and lice, living with hobos and getting hit in the head. The true organizers are in some back room figuring out which union goons to send where, how to antagonize police for the photo shot of the day and to cause as much diversion as possible from the real problems our nation faces. Occupy has a goal. They just are saying what it is.

Posted by: pam | November 17, 2011, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Obama’s position on the occupation?—”We are on their side”…No suprise here. This guy is beyond any doubt a Marxist. Capitalism in his mind is fundamentally the problem, which is made clearer by his support of OWS. The voters will remember in November!

Posted by: free_2_choose | November 17, 2011, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

For those among us skilled in math: 80% of the 99% don’t even know this is going on. 50% of the remainder (that would be 50% of 20%, or 10% of the 99%) support the occupiers although less than 5% of the 10% could actually explain, in a clear concise sentence, what this is all about, while 95% of the 10% don’t want to be included in the 99%. If this event is remembered for anything it will be the stench left in parks across the country.

Posted by: wantingbalance | November 17, 2011, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

You idiots all buying into the mainstream rhetoric are so senseless and lost. Either way, they were trying to march on the stock exchange and the police barricaded it.

Posted by: ANON | November 17, 2011, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

The complaining lady commuter looks anything but hungry and homeless.

Posted by: ElFudd | November 17, 2011, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

OWS are clearly anarchist and communist hiding behind the middle class. It disgusting (and unnerving) to think the President himself supported this movement. Remember what Pelosi said? I will absolutely 100% be voting for whoever the Republicans put forward.

Posted by: 18z5wp | November 17, 2011, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Why don’t these idiots, drug addicts and bums go march by the White House, not Wall St.
The one in LA is being organized by the Unions. Why don’t they go to the library and study instead of wanting what other people have. True class warfare thanks to O’bummers failed economy.

Posted by: Stephen | November 17, 2011, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

18Z5WP: “OWS are clearly anarchist and communist hiding behind the middle class.” – - – Nothing like a little irrational stereotyping and ad hominem attacks. How exactly do you know for a fact all of the OWS protesters are “clearly anarchist and communist”?

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | November 17, 2011, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

In case you have not figured it out, your president has millions donated to his campaign by Corporations, insurance companies, banks, wall street, and others. The richest Congressmen are Democrats.

Posted by: gloria | November 17, 2011, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

I just love the pic on the other blog of that anarchist who thought he could knock the hat off a cop. He thought wrong! LOL! What a dumb anarchist, yet I don’t know that anyone has ever said that anarchists were ever very smart to begin with.

Posted by: Mike | November 17, 2011, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

What exactly do they want? I’m all for world peace and the end of crime, economic equality and everybody having everything they need. How exactly do they plan to accomplish those wonderful goals? By the way, your first amendment rights end when they impinge on someone else’s. It also seems that the news coverage is rooting for some confrontations. Peaceful protest gets boring, so let’s have some violence!!

Posted by: globetrotter | November 17, 2011, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

KITNYX:
The constitution guaranties certain undeniable rights to all citizens, life, liberty, freedom of speech to name of few. This DOES NOT say your rights are greater than anyone else rights. Your rights extend up to the point that they interfere with some else’s rights. That also pertains to the person or businesses who are trying to make of living to the same set of rights.
The constitution does not guaranty that all the wealth will be distributed evenly. It is a frame work to which the government must operate in. If you don’t agree with the laws of land then it also gives a path to which they can be changed.

Posted by: Orvil T Fud | November 17, 2011, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

This movement will probably boil down to one last stetson covered cowboy standing on the corner of Wall Street and Broad in his skivvies playing a guitar.

Posted by: newcountryman | November 17, 2011, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Who cares about a bunch of whiney losers that want life handed to them. I make about 30k a year and would like to hear how the crooks in washington have scammed us over the “occupyers”, Lyndsi Lohan, or some other “popular by media story”. Quit influencing politics and get back to reporting the news.

Posted by: TIM | November 17, 2011, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Did Obama say he actually supported them or that he just understood their frustration?

Posted by: newcountryman | November 17, 2011, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

TIM I bet you’d have sided with the British just like Benedict Arnold!

Posted by: blind spot | November 17, 2011, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Hey where’s the picture of Obarry kissing another leader on the lips on this left wing site? Now that’s news that needs to be spread. What an embarrassment to our nation that guy is. He has disgraced this nation long enough. ANYONE BUT OBAMA IN 2012! Period.

Posted by: NancyTTTTT | November 17, 2011, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

So “Angie” thinks the people posting on here are “old” people “who were “handed everything in life and completely out of touch with reality” and they are at home while she is “paying” their social security checks. “Handed everything”?? Has she ever heard of the Great Depression?? WWII?? Good Lord, talk about out of touch with reality. The “old” people in this country are the selfless, hard-working, brave heroes who saved all of us from Hitler and built our economy. And they have paid into social security a heck of a lot longer than her generation. She is a typical clueless, ignorant dolt, unaware of anything other than her own selfish, materialistic wants and desires. What has she ever done for her country or her fellow citizens? Just another moronic product of our current failed educational system.

Posted by: JC | November 17, 2011, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

It isn’t about affecting the 1%, it is about speech and stopping the authorities from implementing anti protest techniques perfected since the 60′s. Somehow people have bought into that you must follow rules to protest.

Posted by: corporationsarenotpeople | November 17, 2011, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

This is Obama’s America, as designed. Make no mistake about it.

Posted by: Woody | November 17, 2011, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

What does anyone expect, these people have no respect. If they really cared about protesting they begin with the Whitehouse and demand Bernanke be fired. And why do they give millionaire celebrities a free pass but rail against CEO’s of campanies. And this is in NYC, the liberal mecca of the United States….it’s your base NYC.

Posted by: CreeDance7718 | November 17, 2011, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

The Occupy Wall Street protestors have no problem interrupting the lives of the rest of the 99%. They’re not serious, responsible people. They’re hooligans who are disrupting the lives of others just to have a feeling of being in control.

Posted by: steve e. | November 17, 2011, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

I predict Obama, Pelosi and the rest will not say another word.

Posted by: newcountryman | November 17, 2011, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

I think anyone that misses work because of these idiots should sue their little “fund” in civil court for loss of wages, physical intimidation, etc and clean them out!!!

Posted by: beboo | November 18, 2011, 12:13 am 12:13 am

These pathetic vermin of the occupy movent are the most disgusting, envious wretches imaginable. How jealous they are of those who have something they don’t. How they snivel and scream that they have been cheated somehow by those who have succeeded. When you tell them you are content with what you have earned with your own two hands, they deign to look down on you and call you a slave. They themselves are the slaves. Slaves to their own hatred and jealousy. A real man or woman doesn’t need a lot to be content and certainly doesn’t covet what others have. If these useful idiots want to affect change, then they can do it by staying informed and putting pressure on their politicians through the ballot box. May they fail and take their place in the dust bin of history.

Posted by: Smashicus | November 18, 2011, 1:32 am 1:32 am

mythought57, if OWS people intend to increase their violent disruptions, they will provide the police with all the probable cause they need to arrest, and yes, use massive force to subdue them. and at this point, you’re not going to find too many mainstream americans who will care one bit about the police gassing and clubbing mobs of violent thugs. it’s plain that the OWS folks now want to have violent confrontations because they think that will create sympathy. the only problem with that approach is that they are the ones initiating the violence now. americans have a great deal of sympathy for victims of unwarranted uses of police force. they have little to no sympathy for people who bring that force upon themselve by their own actions. OWS has blown it on this account. you can’t cause the violence and then claim to be an innocent victim. OWS has forfeited that position as of today.

POSTED BY: GRUMPOPOLIS | NOVEMBER 17, 2011, 3:28 PM 3:28 PM

Excellent post. The failure of OWS to target Washington as the root of the problem is disappointing me. Re-instill all that was Glass-Steagall would do all that Dodd-Frank did and all that it did not do (the 2 businesses – banking and inveasting- of the banks have not been separated).

Posted by: deanbob | November 18, 2011, 8:50 am 8:50 am

Lmbo, You know what is humorous, but also, at the same time, sad? These shallow, arrogant, big headed, sheepish, slaves to the governments, that are posting derogatory comments about the occupiers? I’ve noticed their either, very lazy when they type, or uneducated. I’d actually lean more towards uneducated. Why?
Well, let me give you all a little lesson in economy. The USA, I’ll assume that is where you all live beings your so bothered by the message we have been trying to get out to the hard headed and soon to be left behind, if you don’t use your thinking ability’s. First off, I must let you all in on the obvious. We did not block any streets off. See, if you could actually distinguish between protesters and police with riot gear on, you just might be able to figure out that the obstructions were the police, and the barriers they had put up, blocking the streets, and not allowing anyone through. Not the protesters. Now just in case your lost now. Let me help you figure it out.

Remember seeing the metal gates that were blocking off some of the streets? Well, if you looked around where those barriers were, I’m sure you might have seen these really evil looking, minions, and a big amount of them were carrying these fat sticks in their hands. These sticks are called ‘bats’ or ‘batons’. Now, please do not mistake them for the good firefighters that were actually helping us out there. The understanding fire fighters realize their jobs are on the line as well, like the rest of us. We all pay police and first responders for their protection. They are paid to protect everyone. Oh, just in case you are wondering. I also have a good job. I own my own small business, I also go to the Art Institute, I own my own home. I am far from a loser, that you assume we all are, and yes, I am a protester. I am ALSO, far from being rich. Oh, and if you had not actually witnessed the interactions between us protesters and NYCPD, then please do not make things up by what you hear, by people, Mainstream news media, especially mainstream media. Unless you have proof, PLEASE, DO NOT SAY SUCH DEROGATORY THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! Most adults leave that back in Junior high school, once they grow up.
Okay, I hope you are still with me here, and I have not confused anyone. Now, I’m really not sure any of you know how much debt our country is in. I’ll give you a hint to the toon of, 15 trillion. Now, our Government and congress has borrowed this money and I, myself have always been taught that if you borrow money from anyone then it should be for a needed basis only and it’s the responsibility of the borrower to pay it back. Well, to put it in a nut shell, OUR GOVERNMENT has borrowed so much money from china and this is called a TRADE DEFICIT. The worlds second-biggest economy, China, has warned the US that the days of squandering borrowed money are over. WE THE PEOPLE have to pay it back with higher taxes now, only for middle class to low income tax payers. Seniors retirements have been extended to 85 yrs old now, Closing down Postal Services, No more medicaid or medicare for ANYONE! Not even disabled people. Small businesses will have to close down because they will not be able to keep their businesses open because of higher taxes and they will not be able to pay decent wages to employees, so if they can scrape by to keep their businesses open they will be forced to downgrade the workforce. There will no longer be 401k retirement funds. Schooling will no longer be available for children on the ‘No child left behind’ bill. A lot of teachers will be without jobs, Gas prices will go sky high. ..GET IT NOW? We will be the ones to suffer for the BAIL OUTS that these big rich corporate banks and businesses have been getting from our congresses borrowing. Not only that but all corporate employees are getting bonuses from these bailouts and the money is going right into their pockets. They are foreclosing on peoples homes because people can no longer pay the high tax rates anymore. We get to sacrifice our semi comfortable life styles so that we are forced to pay high state taxes, Federal taxes. etc. I’ll even let you all in on a secret or 2, to think about. When our hero’s come home, that have fought for our freedom , that we will no longer have, Can you imagine how they will feel, when they see that all the fighting they have done for us, has all been in vain. Another FYI our elections are rigged. We have less then a week to figure out how to pay the US’s debt back to China and they will not tax the rich. And just one more FYI before I forget. Congress just last week, after being put on a deadline, to pay back this huge debt they created, for our broke country now.
They ended up giving Fannie May and Freddie Mack each a 400 million dollar bail out a piece and on top of paying Newt a few million for his services all employees of these corporations got healthy bonus checks and they are paying police off to get violent with occupiers to try to stop the protests against them. We need to shut them down. Our government is corrupt. They DO NOT care about WE, THE PEOPLE, Anymore. Our forefathers wrote in the declaration of independence, our constitutional rights that our system has corrupted. Go ahead and search online and look it up. Read it very carefully and then see for yourself, if you still look at our wonderful leaders the same. OUR COUNTRY IS TURNING plutocracy (rule by the wealthy)..

Posted by: Shay | November 18, 2011, 10:03 am 10:03 am

$2.25… and only 25 minutes…??? There are BART riders that are so very envious.

Posted by: glacia | November 18, 2011, 10:10 am 10:10 am

This is their only job they have. It is the people who provided them the funding are at fault.

Posted by: 1971 Mach 1 | November 18, 2011, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Uh Shay…Thanks for your pompously wordy and overly lengthy partisan dissertation. “Well, let me give you all a little lesson in economy.” Really? I doubt it, since you left out all of the massive government waste, corruption, and spending…like Solyndra — half a billion dollars straight down the drain, but not being protested by these one-sided goofballs at all. “PLEASE, DO NOT SAY SUCH DEROGATORY THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! ” Again, really? We know that they are a sloppy and dangerous public nuisance: blocking other people’s right to public access, urinating and crapping in public, rapes, and plenty of vandalism and stealing. So, keep on blowing hot air, but don’t make yourself too dizzy doing so.

Posted by: MaryContrary | November 18, 2011, 10:26 am 10:26 am

@Shay. A little help for you since you questioned the education of others. And your own F.Y.I., disagreement with you does not equal a lack of education in others. That’s an insult you might consider keeping to yourself, particularly when you mistake debt for deficit and strongly infer that Declaration of Independence and Constitution are the same document.

“slaves to the governments, that are posting…” No apostrophe necessary. “I’ve noticed their either…” S/B “they’re”. “I’ll assume that is where you all live beings your so bothered…” S/B “being” & “you’re” although I would use “since” instead of being. “Now just in case your lost now.” S/B “you’re”. “I’ll give you a hint to the toon of,” S/B “tune”. “it should be for a needed basis only and… ” Look up definition of “basis”. ” …so much money from china…” China S/B capitalized. “The worlds second-biggest economy…” S/B “world’s”. “85 yrs old now, Closing down Postal Services,” No capital ‘C’ in closing and S/B a period at the end. “They are foreclosing on peoples homes ” S/B people’s. “Federal taxes. etc.” No period after taxes. “…we will no longer have, Can you imagine…” No capital ‘C’ in can. “Another FYI our elections…” Comma after FYI. “We have less then a week…” S/B than. — “Our forefathers wrote in the declaration of independence, our constitutional rights that our system has corrupted.” The Declaration of Independence and Constitution are separate documents. “OUR GOVERNMENT has borrowed so much money from china and this is called a TRADE DEFICIT” No that would be called debt. Debt and Deficit are two very different things.

Posted by: glacia | November 18, 2011, 10:44 am 10:44 am

@Glacia: That was a hilarious post. Too bad you cant respond in red. Thanks for the grammar refresher.

Posted by: pitdog | November 18, 2011, 11:27 am 11:27 am

oops can’t

Posted by: pitdog | November 18, 2011, 11:28 am 11:28 am

@Pitdog. I’m glad you liked it. I stopped at the “D threshold” though. Once you reach a point where the paper deserves a ‘D’ you should always stop. The grammar part was a little ‘snarky’ but the other points are actually very important. It would be great if people actually did educate themselves about how our government works. I think people fear it because they don’t understand how it functions. They also forget or were never taught that WE are the government. Washington is highly partisan and chaotic because WE are partisan and chaotic. And it becomes a feedback loop where the two feed off of each other. It’s a very unpopular idea but politicians are for the most part doing exactly what we’re telling them we want them to do. Human nature prevents most people from seeing and accepting that we the electorate cause most of the problems. We allow our representatives to be lazy by expecting nothing from them but to be ‘part of the team’. I would actually love to have a real conversation with people from both extremes. I suspect that much of their anger could be calmed and redirected. We could fix a lot in this country if we focused on what we agree on instead of insisting that our representatives focus solely on what we will never get consensus on.

Posted by: glacia | November 18, 2011, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Glacia, You actually spent the time to read through it? I admire you’re (your) patients (patience).

Posted by: newcountryman | November 18, 2011, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Wow! A thoughtful, well written response posted on this message board? Thank you Glacia, you have managed to salvage the last dangling shreds of my faith in humanity. I agree with your post and would love to sit in on the conversation you mentioned.

Posted by: pitdog | November 18, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

@ Shay: “will continue to speak my beliefs. NO ONE has the right to take away our voices. And if you do not like where I am standing, then move, or go around me. ” That goes for those who disagree with you as well, right?

Posted by: pitdog | November 18, 2011, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

apparently, the most ardent of the OWS supporters are of the mindset that one cannot agree with the basic premises of the movement, but disagree with their tactics. as if one cannot acknowledge a problem without endorsing a particular prescription for relief. pretty stultifying mentality.

Posted by: grumpopolis | November 18, 2011, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

shay, plenty of us knew that corruption between wall street and DC was at the heart of the problem. it didn’t take OWS to make us aware of that. that being said, at this point, there are a lot of us who see the crud from OWS as being just another problem, rather than an answer.

Posted by: grumpopolis | November 18, 2011, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

OWS people == idiots and morons because they don’t understand how to effect change in their own Government…they are little children playing in a sandbox…

Posted by: RalphF | November 18, 2011, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Wouldn’t it be great if we all got behind some simple ideas —- How about lobby reform? I may be wrong but think even the two extremes can agree that lobbying of our representatives should be transparent and public. How about if we require that lobbying of our representatives be done in a public forum where lobbyist and representative are not allowed contact except through a third party who will identify to the public the contents of any document or package delivered to our representative? They’re our representatives. Shouldn’t we know what they’re basing their votes on? Just a single example and perhaps not one we would all agree on. But if enough of us from both sides of the isle got behind similar ideas that we know would have broad support they would without question happen.

Posted by: glacia | November 18, 2011, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

glacia, it would be great, although nothing is simple in a country of 400 million people. but things like lobbying reform would likely have broad support among the american people. the key would be getting the bums in washington to sever their ties with corporate america. one thing that would help decrease the influence of national and multi-national monied interests would be to repeal the 17th amendment.

Posted by: grumpopolis | November 18, 2011, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

@Grumpopolis, you’re being too grumpy. If the people in Washington are bums then that only says that we the electorate are incompetent. After all, we put them there. I honestly do believe that for the most part the politicians in Washington do what they think we want and more importantly what we let them get away with. Think about this question… Are you as critical of the politicians you voted for as you are the ones you didn’t vote for? You should in fact be far more critical of the politicians you did vote for. What I typically see is that people will criticize those they didn’t vote for and excuse the ones they did. It’s like your neighbors spouse for cheating but excusing your own spouse for doing the same.

Posted by: glacia | November 18, 2011, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

What do they honestly think will come of this nonsense? They’ve already gotten recognized, everyone’s fed up with them. The media needs to stop making such a big deal out of this, that’s obviously all they want. All they seem to be doing is making it harder for those who DO have jobs to get to them. In fact, most of the people directly impacted by this OCW and subway riots are the lower class. Go home and get a job, little whiners.

Posted by: 15 year old conservative | November 18, 2011, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Shay, again… you seem to have learned nothing from the reactions to your very lengthy earlier ramble and rant. Your last post is as inept and meandering as the one before. Example: “To the person that stated the occupiers urinate, filthy, etc, in the Subways, I’ve not once seen that happening.” Really? Then you are either lying, or you’re oblivious to what’s obviously going on all around you. And yet again you so conveniently ignore all of the massive government waste, corruption, and spending…like Solyndra — half a billion dollars straight down the drain, but not being protested by these one-sided goofballs at all.

Posted by: MaryContrary | November 18, 2011, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

glacia, politicians have the following order of priorities: self, party, people. as for criticizing politicians, hardly anyone i ever vote for gets elected outside local races because i hardly ever vote for mainstream party candidates. and when i do, i usually vote for someone in order to vote against what i see as a greater evil. i view almost all politicians with suspicion and contempt. and rather than doing what they think we want, i view it completely in reverse. i believe the two parties have manipulated the political polarization we now see. rather than politics being influenced bottom up, it’s influenced top down. just look at the blind partisanship you see on these threads every day. the two parties have cultivated legions of ideological automatons.

Posted by: grumpopolis | November 18, 2011, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

I don’t blame Corps, Gov or Occupy. I blame the dumb and ignorant average Americans who don’t realize they are part of the 99%. You have the utimate lazy and the work-a-holic slave-drivers. Neither one is better than the other. Occupy represents neither group.

Posted by: RobAstro | November 18, 2011, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Stop occupying the military industrial complex, the foreign drug trade and invest in american worker not the foreign investor and then you wont see an “Occupier” in the streets! BTW the unemployment office occupies 99%’ters with a closed mouth!

Posted by: Occupy yo self! | November 19, 2011, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

ABC news does it again, focusing on the Big Issues – such as OWS inconveniencing subway riders. Who cares about abstract issues such as who owns Congress, how wealth has steadily transferred over the past 30 years from the middle class to the top 1% or the OWS demand to Tax Wall Street financial transactions.

Posted by: Wayne Klein | November 19, 2011, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

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