Dutch Court OKs Pedophile Party
EmailA Dutch political party that openly embraces pedophilia won a major legal battle this week, avoiding a possible state ban in a decision handed down by The Hague District Court of the Netherlands. The PNVD, widely known as the "pedophile" party, caused a stir in May when the group announced on a newly-registered official website its goal of lowering the legal age of sexual consent from 16 to 12 and ultimately scrapping the age requirement altogether. The group believes children should have the right to make sexual decisions without state interference. "People should be allowed to decide for themselves what they do," the party states on their website. "Children as young as twelve should have the freedom to have sex, vote, gamble and live with whomever they want." On its website the group also fledged support for the legalization of child pornography and bestiality and recommended that individuals as young as 16 be allowed to perform in pornographic videos. According to officials at The Hague, the court ruled not to ban the fringe group on the basis that it had done nothing illegal. "It is not illegal to try democratically to change the system – which is what these people are trying to do," said a Hague spokesperson, summarizing the ruling of Judge H. Hofius. "They are exercising their freedoms of speech and association, and as such cannot be banned by the state." The case to ban the party was brought to court by Solaas, a foundation that studies pedophilia, on behalf of several parents of sexually abused children. The PNVD will now have the opportunity to register for the national elections held on Nov. 22, of this year. In the 2003 election, the threshold for securing a seat in parliament was 64,000 votes, according to officials at the Dutch consulate. Despite the party’s legal victory, experts are skeptical as to any justification for a consent limit as low as 12. "Pedophile groups like this are just skirting the issue of consent," says Dr. Gene G. Abel, a Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Emory University and an expert on sexual pathology. "Children at the age of 12 haven’t yet developed the moral framework to make an informed decision on whether or not to engage in sexual activity. Often the logic of children at that age is simply to do what an adult or authority figure tells them, which in this case is to perform sexual acts."
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You’re kidding, right? There’s no way can you actually be serious advocating children be given legal permission to indulge in such activity. What about a child’s innocence?
Posted by: Harry S. | July 20, 2006, 11:23 am 11:23 am
What is wrong with that country?
Posted by: Lisa | July 20, 2006, 11:28 am 11:28 am
This is disgusting! These people should be immediately thrown in jail! How can an animal give you consent to have sex with it? It doesn’t!! I was 12 not to long ago and I can tell you that I was definitely not old enough to make any sexual decisions at all and I have an above average IQ! SICK! SICK! SICK!
Posted by: Jo | July 20, 2006, 11:44 am 11:44 am
im from the netherlsnds IM FROM THE NETHERLANDS, oh god!
im so ashamed.
im speechless.
Posted by: pjotr | July 20, 2006, 11:47 am 11:47 am
This is unbelivable. Once again proof that this country is incapable of protecting citizens and therefore have not legitamacy as a leading country in this world. They aren’t liberal, they’re insane. Liberals seek for protection of children and rights of all to grow in a healthy world, and pedophilia seeks for a warped community of pain and lust.
This is sick.
Posted by: Abernathy | July 20, 2006, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Eighteen, and even that’s too young!
Posted by: Alvery | July 20, 2006, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Another example the world is going to hell in a handbasket. I don’t know where to begin to express my discust. Pray for the children!!!!
Posted by: David | July 20, 2006, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
I honestly belive that the bible is fulfilling, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN TODAYS WORld. Anyone who can think that of a twelve year old in that way has to be put in jail, because they are the ones that will destroy our children. A CHILD IS A CHILD. This means that during that stage of life such decision should not be made by a CHILD. what is wrong with these people. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE HAD TO MAKE SUCH DECISION AT THAT AGE? THINK ABOUT IT.
I BLEIVE WE ARE DEFINITLY SICK RIGHT NOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT.
MY PRAYERS GO OUT FOR THE CHILDREN OF THR WORLD IN WHICH WE ARE LIVING, MAY GOD PROTECT THEM IN VERY WAY.
WE NEED TO PRAY MORE THAN EVER. PRAYS CAN MOVE MOUNTAIN, I BELEIVE.
Posted by: NELLI | July 20, 2006, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
nelli,
you can’t just throw people in jail for thinking a certain way, and besides, i’m sure this “pedophile” party is not one of the major political affiliations in the country. probably no bigger than the Green party here in America. You have to give them credit though, they are trying to achieve their goals the right way by going through the government system. Don’t get me wrong, i don’t think that its such a good idea either, but maybe this was blown out of proportion a little bit?
Posted by: Grant Thompson | July 20, 2006, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
I am at a lost for words. Have these people lost their minds! We need to have tougher laws that protect children from the sick perverts in this world. I’m still in disbelief.
Posted by: Rose | July 20, 2006, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Sick??? of course ??? against the law??? Nope. Hey we can all agree that these people don’t speak for the majority, and they are free to say what they like so let them be. It’s not like they will get any seats anyways
Da Hater
Posted by: Raul | July 20, 2006, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
I’m apalled and digusted. The people of the Netherlands should feel the same if they care at all for their future leaders. If these sick individuals have any sway, the children growing up affected by these mentally disturbed individuals in that party, will lead the country to further depths of retchedness and mayham. I personaly hope this opens the eyes of the law enforcement officials. These individuals need to be observed and monitored. If they’re fighting so hard for pedophilia, then there’s a very good chance they are already taking part in it.
I pray God removes these deranged people from any and all positions of authority.
Posted by: Celeste | July 20, 2006, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
The thought of sex with animals and children is appalling, but the judge’s decision is correct. You can’t throw people in jail for trying to go through the democratic process to change things. Keep in mind that even the US has Nazi and Communist parties legally functioning within its borders.
Posted by: Wrex | July 21, 2006, 10:48 am 10:48 am
It’s a moral decision for the individual. Who are we to impose personal moral upon others? I don’t like teens doing things they do, but they do what they do. They decide because they are people, too. Why not even the right to vote? Look at some of our elected officals…can we be worse off? Their speeches suck, their communication on the diplomacy level worse, and even worse, lately we look like the village idiots.
The youth don’t get enough credit. Some adults are too full of themselves. Sure there are stupid things for the youth to grow from, but they learn. Or they can become stupid adults, as we see all around. The main thing is consent. Consent is for everyone. Everyone grow up and face reality. Teen are having sex!
Posted by: lesael legood | July 21, 2006, 11:52 am 11:52 am
“It’s a moral decision for the individual. Who are we to impose personal moral upon others?”
Give me a break! Morality? What is morality? Is my morals right or yours? There MUST be a right and wrong. This is a law for a reason so that people with sick MORALS do not prevail. If people with the morality of murdering people, killing animals for fun, etc How do we define WRONG morals? There is a RIGHT and a WRONG. I am sure the pediphile who raped me at 10-12 yrs thought I was in favor of his activities. Of course he think it, he is sick!
Posted by: Karen | July 21, 2006, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
I think that the world has lost something important. The ability to judge right from wrong? Not sure if that is it, but, I do believe that in the end, those who partake in such horrible, and disgusting activities will have their own price to pay.
We, as a society, no matter the country, have an obligation to our children to protect them, no matter the cost. And I do believe in this right as a parent. I know that if someone tried to hurt my child in this fashion, there would be more to worry about than the laws of any given country. Regardless of what happened to me. It is all worth it for the child. May the Lord bless and keep the children.
Posted by: Kris | July 23, 2006, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
This is nothing more than another example of sick individuals using ‘law’ to promote the social decay of society. To remove what they see as barriers to nomenclature such as freedom of speech and freedom of action. The ACLU has done it in America for years and now over in ‘progressive’ Europe the seed is planted. Nothing like this surprises me anymore wherever it appears in the world.
What does disturb me more than anything is how the legal system and even law enforcement protects these people and protects business. If they truly excercised law they could shut it all down overnight yet it is more fiscally sound to budget yourself a child sex crimes unit and keep an ISP that provides the avenue for sickness of lawyers who defend groups like this in business.
While those units perform a civic duty you dont stop the problem by trimming the branches from the rotten tree, you cut the whole mess down altogether and remove the stump. But then that would put a hole in someones economic bucket.
God help the world.
Posted by: Crusader | July 23, 2006, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Well I am im very surprised that this is even happening how can the world let this happen? Have we lost all our morals I mean sure Romeo and juliet were like 13 or 14 when they were together but they weren’t showing it on the Internet and bestiality that is just wrong those animals can’t even tell that they got raped don’t they have feelings? I think are government should step in and tell the dutch that this is sick
Posted by: Amy | July 23, 2006, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Checking out the age of consent in other countries I find that several civilized countries have very low ages of consent for male-female sex: Canada (12/14/18–I don’t know what the demarcations are for.)
Spain (13), Mexico (13).
I think it is interesting that Mohandas Ganhdi was married at the age of 13, while the article quotes a doctor saying that, “Children at the age of 12 haven’t yet developed the moral framework to make an informed decision…”
Personally, the idea of adulthood being determined by age is silly to me–everyone develops at a different rate, and some people are never responsible.
“Adulthood” should be something that requires a bit of proactive effort on your part–like getting a driver’s license. Or something.
Posted by: Terry | July 24, 2006, 2:20 am 2:20 am
I was married at the age of 17. Many years later, I can tell you that I had absolutely no idea of what I was doing. At that age, an individual is barely out of diapers. According to some, a child of 12 should be able to decide about sexual activities. If that is so, how about a 12-year old with driver’s license, a credit card, the responsibility of a checking account and bills to pay? I have a feeling that men who would approve of sex with a child, would draw the line at giving that child a credit card or checking account. Any adult who has sex with a child or an animal is a sick piece of garbage! Personally, I think sexual predators should be staked out in an ant bed! I would love to do the honors. I also agree with the post above which says people in that pedophile party should be investigated; I just bet they have already practiced their “religion”.
Posted by: Kay | July 25, 2006, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
i just read this article…… i was horrified and disgusted!!! i also read all the comments posted…..some of them leave me in disbelief too…….they say leave these people alone, they can say anything they want and are not breaking the law…..now i ask them..would you feel comfortable leaving your child in their care? i think not!!! …these are very sick people who want to destroy innocence…i guess not all the nuts live in california usa…..the dutch clearly win that award, esp the government!!
Posted by: jean sker | July 26, 2006, 3:39 am 3:39 am
Prayer isn’t going to move a whole lot more than a few things in your brain for those of you that think prayer is the answer.
Second, these people are advocating this activity — not actively doing it. Last time I checked, it was ok for people to try to change things they disagree with. They probably won’t get anywhere, but they should have every right to try.
Whoever said “18 and even that’s too young”. You want it changed to 20, 21, 25, 30?
I don’t agree with the goal of this group at all. However, they have every right to express their beliefs.
To the person that said “so those with sick morals don’t prevail”, who the hell are you to tell me what is and isn’t sick?
Posted by: S | July 26, 2006, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
This is so sick my jaw dropped in shock. They aren’t breaking the law by forming this party, but I think every member of this party should be watched closely by the police. They are probably molesting 12 year olds already.
Posted by: Casey | January 25, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Please recall that marriage as early as 12 are still occurring everyday and not so long ago it was ok to marry a 14 year old in the USA.
We have have come a long way since then and that’s great, but please don’t act so surprised. Pedophilia remains a common and legal practice in may parts of the world. Christians, Hindus, Animists, Moslems, – all approved of it explicilty in their dogma until very, very recently and many still practice it with community tolerance today.
You got to be an idiot to think this is new.
Fight against it, but don’t act so shocked and outraged when you see it.
Posted by: clare | March 28, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Pure Freedom can sure walk with an apparent trunk of thorns eh? The thought of my 13yr old daughter in such a scenario evokes all the feelings of rage and parental protection that you can imagine… I do reflect on the other side of the coin in times past where upon a neighborhood girl, who was just 11yrs old, had developed early and passed as 17yrs. She regularly dated men in their mid 20s and it was not an eyebrow was lifted. lol, the best part is I’m in Texas and we can take care of problems real quick!!
Posted by: Maxwell | March 28, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
I guess we can’t get upset over a country that allowed degrading pictures of an icon in a major world religion–by seeing this, they got potential bigger problems on their hands… To put all political correctness aside–that’s just plain f*^#$@ nasty!
Posted by: Liz | March 29, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Freedom of speech. Get over it. Trying to change a law by working within the system is not illegal.
The US has a Nazi party and the Ku Klux Klan (not to mention pedophile activists). Does that mean the US is also “insane” and “incapable of protecting its citizens”? Every country has people with dubious goals. Does that mean every country is insane?
Posted by: Russ | March 29, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Why doesn’t Geer Wilders make a movie about this? Instead, he is distracting the world with hate campaign against immigrants.
Posted by: John | March 29, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Fruit from corrupted hearts.
When certain things happen:
1) The banning of PUBLIC declaration of Holy Scripture (i.e. Bible preaching),
2) The banning of PUBLIC prayers to the Lord God,
3) The intense media bias against Bible-believing Christians with their incessent mockery of the holy things of the Lord Jesus,
YOU THEN GET SICK PERVERTS LIKE THIS!
You have the right to smoke, if you are stupid enough, but you DON’T have the right to give me cancer with your second-hand poison.
You have the right to be perverted, if you are so depraved as to sexually desire children and animals, but you DON’T have the right to sodomize our sons & molest our daughters nor torture our pets!
All of our “rights” are limited from causing harm to individuals and/or the greater populace.
This is SO ridiculous that it would even go before a court SHOWS the absolute depravity of this generation.
Posted by: Concerned Conservative | March 29, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
12 year old assisted suicide is already legal in holland. Shows what value life has there.
Posted by: Jeff | March 29, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Celebrate freedom of speech, express your disgust, pray if you think it helps…at least you can do all that. Come to China and see the oppposites at work.
Posted by: reddragon | March 29, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
I too agree that it is shameful, etc., but I think that indeed the right decision was taken NOT to ban the party. Democracy demands that they be allowed to exist. I find their positions heinous, and I imagine that most Dutch people do too. In a democracy, it is not for parties to be banned by courts, but rather for voters to vote them out of existence. Laws to protect children are important and are enacted by a democratically elected governement; thus, a democratically elected government in the NL will hopefully not allow this party’s aims come to fruition by appropriate, legal, democratic means.
Posted by: Todd | March 29, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Today’s kids need protection from these sickos YES / AND / from the sickos who do nothing to stop society’s sexual saturation thru the commercial and entertainment media. OOPS I went there didn’t I?
OH Well I guess now you’ll just have to do more than just stick post it notes on the web.
YOU CAN START BY NOT DRESSING FOR A SEXUAL EFFECT IN OTHERS, AND GO FROM THERE.
It’d be a good start, a better starting point than sticking your little postees around. Than when you condemn those who contribute to the loss of children’s’ innocence in society you won’t be condemning yourself.
Now there’s a novelty of an idea.
Posted by: E | March 30, 2008, 3:17 am 3:17 am
The Dutch MP guy who made the anti-Muslim film just said in an interview with ABC News that the western Dutch culture is “better” than Islamic culture. Given the Dutch court approval of this pedophile stuff, this guy is wrong. I do not think aa Dutch culture that allows pedophile groups to be legal is better than Islamic culture, and this is proof.
Posted by: HelpUs | March 30, 2008, 4:10 am 4:10 am
I would rather pedophiles were clearly identifiable within a political party, than have them camouflage under a variety of acceptable belief systems. They will not get sufficient votes to have parliamentary representation, but their controversial manifesto will serve to warn the public of their presence. Contrary to many on this thread, I actually think the Netherlands goes about dealing with extreme societal phenomena with a great deal of maturity.
Posted by: Brazza | March 30, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am
Unbelievable but I’m not surprised! The reason no one can make the right decisions because everyone has different standards. We as a society have turned our backs on Christ, the Creator of human beings, who has already set the standard but we have chosen to go our own way! Now we are at the point where people are trying to get rights to have sex with children!! If we stayed with God’s laws (His Bible)and obeyed them we wouldn’t be where we are today. It first started off with having sex outside a committed relationship, then homosexuality, now this! We have gone down a continual spiral. Without God’s standards, anyone’s standard’s is accepted! Very sad. John 3:16- “For God so loved the world, that He gave His One and Only Son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life.”
Posted by: Bren | April 8, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
The entire party should be executed immediately.
This is exactly what the Frankfurt School wanted.
Posted by: kes | April 20, 2008, 6:04 am 6:04 am