ABC News Exclusive: Three Alleged Ringleaders ID’d

‘Three Alleged Ringleaders ID’d’ <–Bush, Cheney, Rove?
Bush bin Laden is planning another 9/11 – to strike just before the November 'elections' – as Lamont has shown that even Diebold can't save them now.
Cheers,
Lori R. Price

I wonder if they were caught by the US monitoring of international wire transfers (SWIFT)? If so it was before it was exposed to the world by overzealous reporters with an anti-Bush agenda. Way to go New York Times for blowing the cover on that program and endangering my country.

If the ringleaders are “alleged,” why isn’t “the foiled airplane bomb plot” also “alleged”?

Thankfully, this happened in England and not here in the USA where bleeding hearts would have made sure the wire transfer and telephone calls of these plotters would be free from wiretap or trace.
See! Electronic survailence works

Wake up Libs… the world is an evil place. This is not the good old days anymore. Thank God for Tony Blair, and thank God for George W Bush!

Why do we continue to use the term suicide when the correct term would be homicide?!!
This is why border control is so important and the continued fight against terroism must be fought with commitment and that includes Iraq and Afganistan.

‘Three Alleged Ringleaders ID’d’ hmmmm…Bush, Cheney and the Fox News Network?

Chris’ point is well taken. Recall the NY Times just took great pride in exposing how counter terrorism experts were using the financial system to track money transfers amongst suspected terrorists. Shame on the NY Times for sharing with the terrorists how we’re hunting them.

Wow,
President Bush’s homeland security plan is working…and he foiled a terrorist plot without the approval of the Democrats; Imaginge that.

Pakistan is a haven of terrorism. They are formenting and breeding terrorism and they do nothing about their terror camps.

Well, Danged police should have waited ’til the deed was done, then the ACLU would’ve had a tougher time and could have blamed it on Bush.

I am glad Bush is in office rather than a Democrat

Wow, and to think that the New York Times was more concerned about terrorist’s rights being violated by spying on overseas wire transfers.

Another probable case of profiling. Sounds like their civil rights may have been violated. I hope the ACLU hears about this.

Was it really smart to release those names so early in the investigation?

I wonder if an “illegal” wiretap was used to stop the plot? If so, should have just let the plot continue on? What if your child were on the plane?

Remember Lenin’s term “useful idiots”? Does anyone doubt that this is a worldwide war?

…”receipt of money wired to them from Pakistan”
Thanks NY Times

Al Qaeda is jealous of Shite Hezbollah prominence. So, it tries to recapture the Islamist leadership by showing it too can. This failure is a major blow. I worry they are going to try again and soon.

Thanks, Brian, for revealing their names and tipping off their associates who are at large. Useful idiot, indeed.

“Wow. Imagine if it was the wiring of those funds that sprung the police action. Could mean a very close call indeed.” A very close call indeed, and the holier-than-thou, in-the-interest-of-the-American-public NYT continues to defend its treasonous behavior of reporting such counter-terrorism activities used by the U.S. government…

Why is everytime something happens or doesn’t happen you folks blame Bush, maybe you need to go overseas and live and see how you like it. also remember: “If you love your Freedom Thank a Vet” and thank God for GW Bush ahving enough balls to do something about all this crap instead of treating it as a law enforcement problem like winney Bill Clinton did.

Any news on any of the other names?
My sources are telling me that the ring of terrorists is linked to Shiekh Omar Bakri Mohammed & possibly Abu Hamza.
Source has been solid in the past.
Rusty,

Good thing the NY Times did find out the investigation was going on. They would have exposed it, called it freedom of the press and then we wouldn’t have cought these guys.

A lot hangs on that word “alleged.” Before becoming completely hysterical and surrendering more of what little remains of our Constitutional rights, how about a conviction or two? Or will the “alleged ringleaders” simply be “detained” indefinitely without trial?

Congrats and great thanks to all who played a part in exposing this plot before it became a tragedy.

The above comment by Lori Price shows how ignorant many in the public are. They would rather believe that our government is the problem rather than fanatical religious zealots that believe suicide is preferable to living. The sooner we wipe out the crazies and terrorists, the sonner we can all get on with building a better, safer world for our children. Go get them Bush! Lori, if you don’t like our government, get out of my country. I have travelled the world and there is no place better than America.

Heavens.
I hope we (NSA/FBI/CIA) didn’t violate the rights of these poor dears by tracking their funds transfers thru the SWIFT program.

If they were discoved because of an international money transfer, it must have happened before the NY Times blew that secret program. Maybe this is why the President was so concerned. Oh well, the next group of crazies will be more careful, thanks to the NY Times.

The problem with our gov’t is that they brand everyone as a terrorist and there’s never in between. Our gov’t fails to see how they much hatred they create by our unfair policies. If anyone voices that, they are of course a terrorist! Of course true terrorists exist (and should be punished accordingly), but the majority of these people in other countries are not terrorists, they simply hate the US gov’t and quite frankly, I would too if I was the recipient of Bush’s policies.

I wonder if Mahmoud Ahmed wired the money to these three jokers too.

Wiring funds…
Hmmmmm, maybe the NYT should explain to us how they could be so wrong about the terrorists not being tracked by their money transfers since they already knew intelligence agencies were tracking this prior to the NYT releasing their story on this subject.

the nyt should feel so small right now that they should be able to sit on the curb and dangle their feet. Idiots!

Jay, they wired the money to England, not USA.

Citizens for Legitimate Government? Would that be a government that appeases terrorists as instead of trying to stop them? Would that be a government that would allow the transfer of money to terrorists and their organizations and not try to stop them? Under Bush, Cheney, and Rove we haven’t had a attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. That is the true sign of a legimate government, one that protects it’s citizens.
Just wondering Chris are you a member of the ACLU?

Ned Lamont winning the senate primary proves that the Dhimmicrats strategy fo fighting terrorism is: give them what they want/ leave them alone and they’ll go away.
If the Dhimmi’s get either the House or Senate back, buy canned goods, ammo and Kreugerrands.

If there people want to die so badly lets have a public hanging of all 24 – lets do it at 8:00 pm and let the kiddies see what happens to really bad and evil people

My 18 year old daugter is in London now and was scheduled to fly back to Boston during the high time for these attacks. I don’t think kooks should be blaming the U.S. administration. Instead, look at the same kooks in foreign countries burning US flags. Lori Price should be ashamed of herself. She is a a useful idiot for the enemy. Lamont wins a PRIMARY so Bush wants to start another 9/11. Unbelieveable

Thank goodness the New York Times alerted us all of the possible abuses of the SWIFT program monitoring financial transactions. I feel much safer now.

Its hard to believe that there are people like Lori that so vehemently cry foul when it’s a known fact that there is a fanatical group of people that want nothing more than to murder us and our children.

Another demonstration of how wrong “profiling” for terrorists would be. Obviously, judging by these individuals I’m thinking they’re Russian, Chinese and Samoan females. Kudos to you left-wingers for keeping us safe and keeping us from racist profiling. What would we do without you folks to protect us from ourselves? GO NAACP GO!

Watch out for Aug. 22nd.! It has great historical significance to the muslim world. If you take into consideration the dry run they were going to do first, it may have put their attack on this date. Muhomed won a great victory on this date and many jews were masacered by muslims on this date as well. You can research it yourself if you like.

Perhaps Gary would like to ask himself how those zealots came to be zealots? No-one can get on with building a better, safer world when that world is predicated on inflicting further violence on others, and on America being ‘better’ than everywhere else.
Until the US finds another strategy for working on the world stage, it is inevitably going to be the target of further terrorism. Current US actions only serve to entrench the iniquity that generates hatred.

I would imagine that the New York Times isn’t happy about this, they didn’t get to leak the story to the terrorists! On a more serious note, maybe we would never have learned of this plot if the British weren’t watching the money flow.

We are engaged in a war for survival. Only fools blame us for causing the problems. England blamed us for their problem, the Revolutionary War. Subjugation to the tyrants is the other side of the coin. We either fight and win or die. People like Lori and Owen need to wake up. We have always been a target and always will be no matter what we do. Those people depise freedom and liberty. We have no choice but to K-i-l-l them.

Owen, the western world is not “predicated on inflicting further violence on others”. The western world is predicated on freedom and commerce. We do not steal oil, or take it by conquest, though we easily could, and the House of Saud did. We buy it at fair prices.
But you are right that one of the west’s major predicates is that “America [is] ‘better’ than everywhere else”. That’s because it is. Only a person blinded by self hatred would think otherwise. Stop acting like an anorexic model who thinks she’s too fat and ugly. I am not an American.
“Current US actions only serve to entrench the iniquity that generates hatred.” What iniquity would that be? Did you mean inequity? I suspect you mean unfairness of some sort. The major terrorist organisers are middle class or rich and they suffer no inequity, iniquity or unfairness. The mid-east is poor because it is stupid, lazy, corrupt and dishonest. We have all poured huge amounts of money down that rat-hole and it mostly got stolen by the mid-easterners.
What exactly would you have us do? Come on Owen, share your genius and post a precis. Be specific, no generalizations like ‘help them’, or ‘promote justice’ or ‘education is the answer’. What manpower, what equipment, what money sent where. And tell us how we prevent them from stealing it, burning it, ignoring it and resenting it.

The Hezmaniacs, Jiheadcases and and fanatic followers of Isnuts are social misfits and psychopaths that should be segregated from the world population. An isolation of these animals would cause them to destroy each other because of the lack of innocent victims.
Freedom from these creatures would allow the rest of the world to breathe a sigh of relief and would enable these rejects to continue to treat their goats, dogs and camels better than their women. Their murdering of each other would make them happy and so with the exception of where these human pigs prowl, free rational society can continue it’s progress unimpeded by their nonsense.

Thank the New York Times for exposing the US Government’s efforts to uncover terror plots through examination of wire transfers of funds from terror suspects. Now, next time, the terrorists will be alerted to the surveillance and their plot can actually succeed giving US and UK-hating liberals something to celebrate.

It’s a wonder we can find these Islamic terrorists at all when Bill Keller and the left-wing hand-wringers at the New York Times turn traitor on the U.S. and expose our terrorist-hunting techniques for the benefit of our enemies (just to score points against George Bush and to minimize any success he may achieve). Today is a victory over our enemy. Don’t think for once that this is over. I think this is going to last for a couple generations.

Good job Chitti.
Did anyone notice how everyone is crediting Pakistanl intelligence for giving the lead.
Its just an effort by US and UK to help Pakistan save face while 24 of their kiln (UK citizens though) are the culprits.

why is everyone attacking lori. yes, her views differ from yours but hello , it is america. free speech remember. questioning your govt and how they do things isn’t leftist or democrat, it is called being an american. go ahead and get yourselves in a furry and believe everything bush tells you. he and cheney will become richer and you will be ultimately stripped of your rights.

The whole thing stinks!!!! why haven’t there been any details released, absolutely nothing, it’s all BS, believe me.

thank god that our govt. at least listens to the “chatter” as they call it.pretty soon the aclu will have george washington removed from the dollar and our country removed from god and all spying will be outlawed i hope they hit the aclu headquarters and 1st and wake those libs up ,so count ur blessings while u can.this country will be gone soon from self destruction

TO
Jeff
Retired, USAF
Totally right! Does anyone think that the terrorists are not listening to our discord and are not getting strength from it? We are a family and in times of crisis the family has each others back. If we give “aid and comfort” and “Atta Boys” to the terrorists, what do you think that creates. Grow up people!

“Regardless of all the rhetoric from the Bush-lovers. It is a fact that under his mismanagement of the “war on terror”, the United States is LESS safe than it was when he took office.”
The last large scale attacks on the USA were planned, prepared for and all but executed under the Clinton administration…
Try to deny that.
How Ironic that you go by the name “Nero” he who did nothing played the lyre and sang while Rome burned.

Like it or not, every day George Bush and Tony Blair saves you. Libs, get over your blind rage and get behind your country. Least you bring it down.
I’m retired Air Force having been directly involved in the cold war and Desert Storm. Libs, you may think you’re helping but your not. You embolden the enemy with your misguided “PR” and you demoralize the troops.
Free speech, yes, but there is a point where you need to suck it up and stand behind your country.

I absolutely agree. The time has come to tell those who don’t like America and Americans to ge out of America. Time has also come to UK and America to seriously consider it’s immigration policies. UK should deport all those who helped in this terror plot back to their home country.

Give war a chance.

The Islamists want all non-believers/Infidels killed. All you have to do is listen to what Bin Laden, Zarqawi or Ahmadinejad has said…Just listen or read their words and they will tell you exactly what they want done to each and everyone of us. Are their reasons for wanting us dead any more pure than those of Hitler or Idi Amin were?

Actually, Nero, your rhetoric is very cliché. Your hollow point was so transparent I could have written the leftist diatribe before it even bled from your mouth.
Britain’s MI-5 intelligence service and Scotland Yard had been following the plot for months, while the U.S. provided valuable “chatter” that was intercepted paralleling the investigation. If you want to give the gold star to the British, then by all means, they deserve it. The point is you turned a very positive and objectively neutral story into a 2nd-grade level urinating contest. This is exactly why the leftist credibility tank is bordering on empty. You completely fail to comprehend those planes would have headed for us (Americans), not Republicans or Democrats.
I read the story and thanked God thousands of people were saved. You read it and tried to weave two degrees of separation between the 20+ terrorists and Tom DeLay. Unbelievable!

Ultimately We will have to use nuclear weapons—it is them or us and if you don’t believe me you are a fool. Following the Koran they will slit our throats given the first opportunity. We must deal with them as we did the Nazi party and the SS.
A neutron bomb attack now – would save many lives in the long run – on both sides. This is just a start – they give up the religion of war or it is to the wall and we use we the machine gun and bulldozer. I am tired of PC bull crap – lets do the job now!
Lets fight a real war! OH and everytime that short monster in North Korea shows his head – anywhere the tomahawks and 5,000 lb bombs should be landing right on him.It must be a given that anytime we can get a shot at him the rain is coming in and that his former giant ralleys are a thing of the past or attended by those who wish to die with him.

Wow, “traitor”, “get out of my country if you don’t like the government”… seems like a lot of you have forgotten what freedom is all about.

No, to racial profiling, Yes, to Religion Inclusive Participation. Have you noticed that all these terrorists are males of military age who all follow the same religion? These participants in terrorism are not the old or the middle aged, not children under 15 and most certainly not female. We need to start a Religion Inclusive Participation (RIP) program today and help these young men travel to their promised destination.
When is the media going to wake up that these people are trying to kill all of us, including your mother, wife, sons and daughters, How about a little truth Ms. Lori and Mr. ABC-Media?

Whats wrong with this picture? They’re all muslims. START RACIAL PROFILING NOW! We need to think about ourselves (meaning us Americans) rather than making everyone else feel good. And if you’re a “good” muslim or middle easterner that feels like you are being persecuted, too bad. You have your own kind to thank for that. We need to stop wasting our time checking good Americans and grandmas and the like, and concentrate on these savages. I don’t think George W. Bush is doing enough to protect us. He spends too much money on Iraq and other countries most of us will never see. Howabout spending more money on us for a change?!? Bring the troops home to really protect us, and don’t let any more of these savages into our country. If they wanna kill us, don’t let them in, and they ruined it for all immigrants. It is a privlige to live here in our freedom, a right I earned by being born here and having my grandparents come here and adapt to this culture and make something of themselves. This is America, if you don’t like us, stay the heck out and leave us alone, or we’ll nuke you.

I thought it would take till Sunday for the hate America first crowd to start their spinning…..they’ve got it down to less than a day now.

Phew, I’m glad there are intelligent people still out there, even on an ABC News blog.. As for Lori, God help us that she is in the minority.
Matt

I believe Ben franklin said:I love my country always and my goverment when it deserves it!

Frightening, is the possibility of the terrorist succeeding with just one plane, but what’s truly scary is the fact that some of our own citizens could even begin to believe that this a hoax perpetrated by our own goverment for some on going conspiracy. Time for those believers to wise up or move out!

I would like to point something out to my american friends. Over 1,000 pakistani soliders and hundreds of civilians have been killed battling Al-qadea in the past three-years. Yet we are continually accused of not doing enough to support the war on terror. Pakistan has been a key ally and helped in numerous intelligence breaks. Yes there are some crazed pakistani’s but don’t label all of us terrorists. We don’t think every white man is a serial killer/rapist
A Pakistani Friend

Yes to all Bush-apologists.
It is true that Osama was active during the Clinton Administration. But I also seem to remember that the GOP congress blocked the Clinton effort to go after him.
The Bush “cut and run” policy in Afganistan has not helped the war on terror. That is an absolute fact.
Your the same people who still think the war in IRAQ was a good idea. Guess what, it wasn’t.
Please feel free to continue to be delusional about the US presence in IRAQ it only depletes your credibility further.
Bushs “mission accomplished” easy war backfired and has become one of US worst foriegn policy debacles EVER.
So take your 25%-30% of the fanatical right-wing apocolyptic nuts who try to stir up fear and YOU leave the country because the other 70%-75% of us (non fanatics) are not going anywhere.
Nero

“Now, listen here Pilgrim!”
It’s the all loony left’s fault! No, it’s all the neocons’ fault! Blah, blah, blah.
Put away all your right-handed slings and left-handed arrows. All we have to do to put and end to all this terrorism is introduce feminism into the Muslim world. I guarantee you Islamofacism would suffer the same fate as Western masculinity in short order! A few well place Hanoi Jane, Gloria Steinem and Janeane Garofalo clones would be the 21st Century equivalent of dropping Fat Man and Little Boy on these Islamic kamikazes – minus all the death and destruction that the US inevitably ends up paying for – “twice”! Plus we wouldn’t have to listen to all resultant faux condemnation from the cowardly Kumbaya crowd. I can see it now – “New this fall on al-Jazeera, Queer Eye for the Al-Qaeda Guy”. Problem solved!
Joseph Crowley

PROUD AMERICAN:
Great point…you know, given that no terrorist attacks have been perpetrated or planned by Muslim terrorists during Dem administrations…. You and your fingerpointing liberal friends need to accept the fact that these terrorists could care less who is in the White House- Al Bore or George Bush.

There are times when I have questioned the administration’s approach to the war on terror and become somewhat complacent. Whenever I’m in NYC and don’t see the World Trade Center, I quickly come back to reality for awhile. Then I wake up this morning to the events in the UK, and I thank God George Bush is President and the Democrats are the minority party. By the way, I am not a Republican.

Wish you Bush conspiracy nuts had to same kind of hate and disdain for the Islamic terrorists. These fanatics are a very real and dangerous enemy whose savagery many on the left either ignore or make excuses for.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorists who caused 9/11 or the war on terrorism. To say it did is to repeat the lies of the Bush administration. There was no WMD either and he lied to make the cause to go to war. What about that don’t you morons understand?
The war in Iraq has only served to recruit more terrorists and kill our soldiers needlessly. Bush’s policies are getting us nowhere in the war on terror. Those are the facts. Use your time to look them up instead of repeating the lies our administration continues to spout. Wake up people!

Secular leftists will never understand the necessity of this war on terror until they recognize the depth of theological commitment of the radical muslim fundamentalists to eradicate the infidels. Moreover, they need to understand that western liberalism is no more attractive to the terrorists organizations. We, both liberals and conservatives, are in the scope of the enemy. We must fight to win this war or kiss the free civilization that we enjoy goodbye.

I know it’s convenient to blame the Bush administration for the current round of terrorism, but we can’t forget that the world has been dealing with terrorism since the 1970s. While we sat back and tried to treat each incident as a criminal case, our enemy treated each incident as a military operation. And during this time, our enemy has increased their military effectiveness.
I’ve also noted a number of comments about the U.S. being less safe today than it was before the War on Terror. If this were actually true, I doubt today’s plot would have been discovered. Today’s plot was discovered because of the measures that our government, along with our allies have established since the War on Terror began. I would much rather be on the offensive like we are today rather than on the defensive like some would suggest.
Just a quick note to our ACLU & NY Times friends. I haven’t noticed any differences in my freedoms and civil liberties since the War on Terror started. I ask you to put aside your political ideology for a moment and ask yourselves if you’ve really noticed any changes either?

I am totally heartened by the number of messages in response to this story that are in support of what our government and the other sane governments in the world are doing to combat this cancerous ‘religous’ movement.
I am glad that Lori’s post was near the top so that it did not get buried among all of the responsible replies. It totally amazes me at the naivete of these left wing ‘freedom’ types. Election fraud. Ha! The only non-fraudulent election is one where an unopposed candidate in a Gerrymandered district wins in a landslide. Look at Mexico’s sore loser taking a page from USA’s gore (excuse me…) sore loser. Cynthia McKinney got beaten by a Democrat black man. How pathetic is it for her to claim voter fraud? (maybe he is a black jew ;-)
I am so glad that the analysts at NSA (yes, there are people working inside that big building) were awake to hear the chatter from these killers while the ‘civil libertarians’ were asleep after a hard day fretting about the erosion of our liberties. Can you imagine how rewarding is must be to have been on the team that cracked this case and not even be able to tell your wife and kids about your day at work?

Not appeasement; strategic thinking (which the Bush administration has absoulutely zilch of).

If those of you who have taken shots at Lori Price had read even one percent of what she has read since Bush stole the first election, you would not be blind to the truth today.
I would venture that most of you get your news from television or the New York Lying Times. That explains why you all sound so much alike and can so readily deny the evidence that is all around you.
Lori Price delivers the evidence on a silver platter every day, so don’t blame her if you are still oblivious. Just read it for yourself. And if you don’t trust what you are reading, pick up the telephone and talk to the source.
The Bush administration is a criminal organization that belongs in prison for crimes against humanity . . . until the hangings can be carried out.
US foreign policy has done enormous damage–by design. That’s not an opinion. It’s reference material. Look it up.
Mark Yannone

“throw away the constitution”, “their rights be damned”, “you don’t agree, then leave”…
proof the terrorists have won your hearts and minds by scary you blind to what this country is supposed to be about.
The meaning of the freedoms and liberty fought for by our countries founders are lost on the majority of the posters here.

I am an American muslim. We fail to see that these fanatics will keep recuiting young people as long as we don’t change our way (Foreign Policy). Do you think going to Iraq has made us safer or supporting Israel openly has made us safer? No we have probably left so many young muslims vulnerable to Al-Qaeda’s message. They claim that US is against Islam and muslims so muslims should oppose them. Now you guys tell me What will a young muslim will think based on our polocies? Bush is the worst person to handle this mess?

Thank God that there are intelligent people at the wheel. If the New York Times and their ilk had their way, we’d all be dead by now – but at least our rights would not have been infringed upon. It’s time the world woke up to the fact that Islamist fascists want us dead. These are not people you can negotiate with. I wonder if Mike Wallace had the guts during his interview with Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President, to show him a map of the middle east with Israel occupying about 2% of the land and ask the question, “why can’t you just let the Israeli’s live in peace. I doubt he did. The moral universe has been inverted.

What happened to innocent until proved guilty? Let’s have a fair trial first, and if found guilty, the perpetrators sentenced to the full extent of the law.

We will not be safe until all radical muslims are dead. Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim. There have been 5555 terror attacts by muslims since 9/11

This is not about politics. It’s not about being a democrat, a republican, being left, right, center…whatever! It’s about all of us, all Americans, sticking together to defeat an enemy that hates every last single one of us. Don’t you get it? A jihad has been declared on America and they’re out to kill as many of us as possible. They don’t care what your political beliefs are. It doesn’t matter if we renounced Israel, withdrew from Iraq, and started dropping honey and milk all over the middle east, they’re not going to end their jihad. They hate us! They hate us for our freedom, they hate us for our wealth, our tolerance, our technology, our love for life. We are the enemy simply for having it better than them.

Names behind the plot are (AGAIN!) Mohammed, Abdul, Osama, Achmed, etc. And now my 90yr old grandma has to throw out her DentureCreme at the airport security station. When will we wake up, grow some kahunas and start racial, ethnic, and religious profiling in our nation’s airports!!

If the man across the street walks on your lawn you negotiate,if he needs a glass of water you appease. If he vows to his God to kill your family you call the police and he is taken away. If the police fail to do their job correctly, or refuse to, then it is every humans right and duty to do what needs done to protect your family. Unless your an idiot, then you give money to the ACLU to protect his right to free speech, then you go to your families funeral and blame someone else for your lack of action.

What’s happened to smart, rational clear headed America?
On one side I read conspiracy freaks who think Bush cooked this up.
But they’re not half as dangerous as the others side…
Most of the comments I read here are about “public hangings”….”deporting all Mulims”……”Invading Pakistan”…..and my favorite: “Let’s get ‘em!”
I hope you guys are the minority but you couldn’t tell here. God I’d hate to have anything but lillywhite skin in your towns….
Detective work and intelligience will win against these terrorist freaks. No it’s not as sexy as killing all the Muhammeds in the World but it’s the only thing which actually works.

Are the RNC funds transfered to all of the people commenting here also tracked by Bush’s domestic spying program?

Re: Mark Yannone. Huh!! I haven’t a clue what you are on about. Try reading the comments from BlacquesJacquesShellacques, start again and make some cogent points instead of just castigating anyone who isn’t in line with you and Lori

At some point, I would hope that the WHOLE WORLD would recognize that we are at war with an ideology, based on a distorted and twisted version on a religion.
The closest thing we have to a “real” nation to fight with is IRAN, because as a nation, they export this twisted form of Islam, and do so with the power and resources of a legitimate state.
I`m old enough to remember the hostages is Iran, and the fact that Jimmy Carter opened this Pandoras box for the western world. Yes friend`s, a LIBERAL American president tried appeasment, and we are now living with the result.
I don`t think wholesale “nuking of countries is the answer, but a couple hundred cruise missiles, carefully aimed at the Mullah`s who preach death and hate, would be appropriate, and a good start at calming things down. Let those who preach myrterdom be the first to enjoy it. This is the head of the snake which must be removed.

I see the liberals are already running circles around each other trying to decide which side of the terror fence they’re going to sit on now. Half of them are already arguing that there really isn’t a terrorist threat and this is all just fear mongering for the upcoming election in November and the other half, not knowing what that half is doing, are arguing that we could have used the $300 million that Iraq cost us to protect our citizens from the terrorist threat that doesn’t really exist. What a dilemma those poor anti-Bush liberals have now, no platform, no solutions, just more of the same whining.

Wow,
Here we are violating someone’s rights. Where the ACLU when you don’t need them.

Well said Pakistani Friend… people in the west must realize plenty of people in the Mid East, Afghainstan and Pakistan don’t like the Taliban types either and want freedom from their attacks.
As for those – mostly Americans it seems here – who say “It is all America’s fault,” grow up. These guys are the enemy. They kill innocents of all nations and they would kill you too, and they wouldn’t take a poll before they did. I am very glad they caught these plotters. Thank God.
With luck the Iranian democracy movement will overthrown the Ayatollahs there.
And Musharraf has a ton of guts for standing with us and the Brits on here. It’s good that we have him and other Pakistanis as allies against this common threat.

It amazes me that after 6 years of George Bush’s failed domestic and foriegn policies that there are still people that will defend him. George Bush is the real terrorist. Granted there are alot of bad people in this world hell bent on destroying America, but Bush’s policies simply give them more ammunition and incentive to continue to focus on the destruction of the U.S. What Bush and his cronies fail to realize is that you will NEVER wipe out all the “crazies”. It will never happen. Presidents for years and years to come will be faced with dealing with the problems that Bush has created. There is no doubt in my mind that this will go down as the absolute worst presidency in the history of our great country. 2008 can’t come quick enough!

Hello,
I am a Pakistani student currently residing in Pakistan. The news of this alleged plot is very troubling and has compelled me to right on this forum and present my point of view. I have following comments/observations on this matter
- I don’t know whether this blog represents a wider held view in US and other western countries but I do get the impression that these people don’t see us in good light as many here have suggested nuking Muslims, banning their entry into certain countries, separate airlines for them etc. etc. There is also a section which advocates racial profiling and other such measures. My conclusion from this and from reading other such sites is that right now Muslims are not seen in good light by others.
- More important for me, is the fact that who should be blamed for their attitude. I can’t be categorical here as, in my opinion, blame lies on both sides.
Muslim Role
- Muslims should sit down and take a look at themselves before complaining to others about their behaviors. We complain of racial profiling in Britain and US but why is there a need to go to US/UK? Why can’t you stay in your own countries and improve it first. I have seen people who don’t show any civic sense while they are here in Pakistan but then gloat about the disciplined societies of US and Europe. A vast majority of us are uneducated (hence susceptible to terrorism) and on top of that we are ruled by feudals and monarchs. When we are abroad, we don’t like to assimilate with others and think of us as some sort of superior race that can’t follow other cultures. We should accept the fact that, right now, Muslims are involved in majority of the terrorism or terrorist plots. It is a fact! Just admit it and find solution to that problem. Don’t blame it on conspiracies etc. If you are a victim of aggression and injustices then solution is not terrorism but solution is to make your case in short term and in long term, improve your self so that other people can’t commit injustices against you.
- Lets take example of Pakistan. I am sure that illiteracy rate and un-employment rate in this could country would be highest among all the countries. We have a feudal system where few rule and rest follow. Un-educated people, to get respectability, have become Ulemas and religious scholars (if you don’t want to study and still get respect then become a religious scholar). These are the people who then go on and issue Fatwa’s on behalf of all Muslims. Leaders of many extremist outfits are basically illiterate who misguide poor and illiterate and brainwash them for their agendas.
- There is a section among Sunnis who think that whole world except themselves is infidel. They hate Christians, Jews, Hindus, Shias and many sects of Sunnis. Religious scholars (otherwise illiterate) have created their own interpretation of Quran and misused it. In Iraq and even here in Pakistan, Sunnis are killing Shias and vice versa.
- The majority has to take this issue seriously as this minority is ruining our image and giving others a false impression of our religion and ourselves. We have to deal it proactively and can’t sit idle on this issue. Such kinds of terrorism or violence against innocent people should not be condoned by any Muslim no matter how grieved they are from injustices done against themselves or their religion.
American/Western Role
- I noticed some very extreme and harsh comments from some people here on this forum. It almost looked to me that if these people were given the chance or were put in more adverse conditions then they would be no better than the terrorist. As of today, there is no doubt in my mind that westerners and other people like Chinese are way ahead of Muslims in term of education, development etc. There was a time when Muslims were ahead of others but nowadays others have moved way ahead of us. Unfortunately, I get this impression of dual standards from such big powers. Let me give you a very clear example. We are told to make our country democratic where all people are equal and have a vote and where there is freedom to choose and that freedom is respected by all. On the other hand we have a United Nations system where 150 countries are one side and 1 country just vetoes them. Is United Nations democratic? In some cases United Nation’s word is used to wage war while in other situations it cannot even condemn a country for its faults. Powerful ignore UN while powerless are pressured using UN.
- Let’s get one thing clear. If you are going to support and condone killing of others then there will always be some sort of reaction. Some societies may be more developed than the others but that doesn’t make their people more important then the others. 3000 odd died in 9/11 while 30000 or more have died in Iraq. The grief of a person who loses a relative would be same whether it is in New York, Baghdad, Kabul or Qana.
- The point that I am trying to make is that just take a deep look at you as well. It almost looks to me that you don’t want to hear the truth or want to hide from it. How can a civilized society wage a war where thousands die and then later it is found that intelligence was wrong. Many here on this forum have advocated nuking other countries on hearing the news of a failed plot. What would be the feeling of those parents whose children were sleeping in a building and all of a sudden a “Guided Missile” struck and they lost their children.
- Think about what I just said. Exercise responsibility and leadership. Don’t make decisions on behalf of others.
Anyway, I just wanted to give my view. I hope that few would agree with my assessment. We all have to be cautious in expressing our views and careful about not offending the others. Whatever knowledge I have about Islam, makes me think that Islam is indeed the religion of peace (like all other religions are) but we Muslims have to make sure that it is seen in that way by others. There will always be few who will be against one and other and I am not bothered about them. I just don’t want that group of people to go out of limits.
Thanks

Nero writes: It was the British and Pakistani security forces that unfoiled the plot, NOT our Dept of Homeland Security >>
Incorrect. The NSA played a MAJOR part in bringing down this plot. Sorry to say it to you in the anti-all war, hate-Bush crowd, but almost everything opposed in The Patriot Act was responsible for the intel gathered on this plot. The massive cooperation between the NAS and MI5 was the key. Not hiding your head in the sand hoping that if you ignore them, they’ll go away and leave us alone strategy of the anti-all war crowd. Proactive actions, not reactive.

I just want to say thank you to the last three people who posted.

Wake up everyone, this is liberal vs. conservative… republicrats are what we have now.
Neo-con’s: I voted for Bush twice and now see the light. 911 was an inside job. Which freedom will we have to lose now to fight ‘terrorism’ while our borders are wide open? And what is the dollar worth now? And where are all our jobs? There are 30 million surveillance cameras in this country now? But the borders are open. Bush should be impeached and this latest ‘terrorism’ is just another training exercise for US.

Sounds like a reason to bring the death penalty back to England. What a horrid thought about the death of all those innocents.

“There is no doubt in my mind that this will go down as the absolute worst presidency in the history of our great country.”
Forget Jimmy Carter so soon? Good Old Jimmy is the man who turned Iran over to the Ayatollahs, in addition to destroying the economy.

Infidel! History shows us that the Persians tried to take over the world in 500bc and the greeks stopped them. The crusaders stopped them about 1500 years later and we are now engaged in the third persian wave.

Hey aren’t we lucky these terrorists didn’t target planes coming out of Paris. To think, France being sypathetic, thereby making it easier for bombers to board. Fortune shines on us, being so close to Briton and with such a strong working relationship that Bush and Blair have. And isn’t fortuitous for them, to have it happen now, when their approval ratings are tanking. This should be a good boost. We should have no fear now, we’ll soon have a bank of video cameras on every corner, and all of our telephone calls monitored. Oh and take away that internet, it is the devil.
Wag the Dog!

The absurdity of the Dems and Republicans dispute on who is tough on terrorism is best exposed by the fact that neither side wants to REALLY shut down the borders and protect the ports.
Even a football coach would understand this as a first priority.

It’s amazing how the Bush hating dolts can weave Bush, Cheney and Rove into this. Pathetic!!

Chuck… That is way too harsh… lets send roses and hope!

I knew the liberals would figure a way to spin this in their favor. Rockefeller says “US Policy caused them to do this.” Don’t you get it? They want you dead. Period.

I am thankful for George Bush & Tony Blair and the great relationship the two great countries have. The NY Times must be lived that they could not let the terrorists know about this before it happened. Cancel your NY Times now!!!

For those who invoke the name of Benjamin Franklin while questioning the government’s actions, I must point out that Mr. Franklin supported the fight against the (at that time) enemy. He did not propose dying BECAUSE of liberty; he spoke of dying FOR liberty.
Count me as one of the nuts who support the war on terror. I’m glad our governments have had the nerve to do what is right instead of what is popular. I only wish governments had done so in 1935. Thirty million people died because they didn’t. I hope we avoid that mistake.

Word is that the suspects arrested were British Muslims, several of Pakistani decent. So do we start bombing London and Islamabad now? If this proves to be real, kudos to the Brits for fighting terrorism with solid police work instead of bombing civilians. The color codes are back and no tooth paste for you! We haven’t seen the color codes for a while…it’s probably just a coincidence though that that we’re 3 months away from election day. FLASHBACK: Terror alerts used as a campaign tool in 2004. Former DHS chief, Tom Ridge, says “Don’t blame me.” Bush, taking all of this VERY seriously, immediately boarded Air Force One and rushed directly to Wash – I mean — Wisconsin for a GOP fundraiser. Man… Between photo ops and gathering checks from rich, fat white guys, Bush squeezes in a few words on the matter. I hope we’re not cutting into his vacation/ho’ing for dollars too much…that brush doesn’t clear itself and smear ads cost big money

These suspected terrorists are inhuman; What do they think,they are? Plotting to kill innocent passengers? No religion will forgive them for such barbaric act.

I don’t think I really agree with the conspiracy inside job idea, but I can see why you might argue that.
There will never be any stop to this. Uk have a pretty good system for preventing terrorist, they’ve been working on it for years with Ireland. They were fairly lucky the fist attack they had as many of the bombs didn’t go off, this was going to be a big one. I think they probably had a lot of inside information. Unfortunately I don’t think these terrorist are ever going to stop, and they cant be prevented for ever.

Mark Yannone,
You are very confused. When you say that Bush “He’s an incurable idiot who has become a criminal and the enemy of the world.”, you are sounding just like the New York Times. Either you the NYT and you agree or they are liars like you say.
Here is the truth, you are both liars.

Those of you who are calling for Democrats to replace Republicans in November as a solution to the current criminal class in Congress need to peel off your blinders so you can see more than 21 days of history.
Twelve years ago, Americans were so fed up with Democrats they fired them and replaced them with Republicans. Did that make sense?
The firing made sense, but the hiring was as fatal a mistake as they could have made. American citizens went to the polls and elected people who told them in advance that they intended to break the law–just as Democrats are telling voters today. They too intend to violate the US Constitution and they will admit it to your face with a great, big smile.
Why would they do that?
Because you want them to.
Mark Yannone

Governments over history have used faked events, false flag operations and deception by way of intelligence agencies to influence public policy, instill fear in the ignorant masses and start wars. The need for a new enemy after the cold war policy? Remember who controls all the information in the investigation under the power of “national security”. Remember that Bush refused a 911 investigation until the brave widows forced it. This recent farsical event will never be fully disclosed to us or the press and as these “alleged” plotters are in custody under new terrorist laws, they have no rights. Google or Ask.com “The Power of Nightmares” a BBC documentary on state sponsored terrorism and deception by intel/military governments, both democracy and not. More so by democracies I’d wager.

I am of Irish decent and born and raised American. My 3 brothers, father and Grandfather all fought in different wars to protect OUR freedom. So you morons could say the stupid things you say, without going to jail or being killed. My Grandfather fought in 3 wars. On his cross in the National Cemetary in Southern California, it says he was a “HERO, LIVED AND DIED FOR HIS COUNTRY, WWI, WWII AND KOREA”. He, my father and brothers were at least able to see who they were fighting, and understand somewhat why they were there. Our Military men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan do not know if the old woman walking down the street is a HOMICIDE Bomber, or the school kids walking down the road. This isn’t about blue state or red state, you pathetic idiots. It’s about freedom, for your children and grandchildren to come. It’s about life as we know it. We were taught to be patriotic when I was in school, we proudly placed our hand over our hearts and said the PLEDGE OF ALLEGENCE. We did not worry about GOD being referenced and we sang AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL ever Friday morning. That’s the America I was raised in. In California. I know this one thing is true. Until the Islamic facist murderers begin to fear death as much as we love life, we will continue to fight this war. Long after Bush is gone. It’s funny how some of you can say with a straight face that this is all Bush’s fault. This is no ones fault but the terrorists who love to kill their young and call them marders (sp) as much we love to watch our young run around a baseball field.
When the Islamic Terrorists start to fear death, then and only then will we be safe. How do you fight an enemy who is happy to sacrfice thier children? Proud of their nephews for blowing up an ice cream parlor filled with kids on thier way home from school?
You people who want to blame Bush, have not a clue. It’s time to put away the weed and clear your heads, start facing life one day at a time. But face it realistically! We are at war, because the Islamic Facist Terrorists want to Kill anyone who does not believe as they do. That is you my friend, and your family. So stop with the protests and conspiracy bull crap. This is real. Go back a few years ago, and remember the fear and anger and then love of country we all had and shared on September 11, 2001. That is the only way we can truly live in peace.
Debbie

Oh for god’s sake! If any one of you idiots were to do some actual research, instead of falling hook, line and sinker for every propaganda-ist broadcast that comes from the bought and paid for MSM, you would know about the Hegelian Dialectic, the criminal and diabolical actions of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS and all the rest of their Alphabet Orgs!!! The CIA has funded and supplied aid for and ARMED both sides of every conflict for decades!! Check out Bandar Bin Laden “Bush”, for instance!
Before they were named the CIA during the 1947 creation of the National Security Act, signed by one Harry S. Truman, they went by other names, or no name at all!
It is all of you, the sheep, who are allowing this campaign of false terror to flourish!!
If the Islamic and Arabic countries hate us, I can assure you it is NOT because of our “freedoms” it is because the USA has been supporting war-and fomenting war-for many, many years! Included in this, is, of course, the International Banking Cartels and the MIC. Oh the joys of ignorance. I, too, once believed that we were the “innocent ones” and the rest of the world was bad bad bad. And we are ALL complicit in the terrorist acts occuring around the World by our ignorance and APATHY!! It is so much easier to get up on your high horse and call the kettle black, isn’t it?
The “terrorists” are real. Make no mistake, but they exist in America, too, just as much as all of those horrible countries where women and children are being slaughtered in the name of some sicko-religous beliefs that one race of people is better then another!
Understand this, sheep, the USofA is just as culpable in the Terror going on around the World as is any Muslim and/or all the other “boogey-men” that have been created by the Media and the Propaganda Machine. Oh, and BTW, I am much more “Conservative” than “Liberal!”
But, alas, one can never force those who choose to remain ignorant to see the truth. And before all of you reactionary, pseudo-partiots entreat me to “leave the country if I think it is so bad” remember this, also: “Those who would give up their freedom for safety and security deserve neither freedom nor security!” Benjamin Franklin. Who, while making great contributions to the World and helping to form our Country, was still working both sides of the fense! And hedging his bets. They ALL are, you sheep!! Those in positions of power must ever jockey for position to MAINTAIN those powers!
WHEN WILL YOU WAKE UP??
Jewels

Jewels, Even if you gave them a week to research the Hegelian Dialectic, most U.S, citizens still could not comprehend it’s meaning. Face it, most Americans are dumbells. This explains how a dumbell could become President of the United States. He was elected by a majority of dumbells. That is why our nation is doomed. These people have more important things to do than reading, studying and understanding the issues that directly affect their lives. They are too busy , watching the boob tube, playing video games, stuffing their fat faces and screwing anything that moves.

“If the plot was known for a month, why didn’t the gov’t begin taking measures a month ago?”
Is this a real question or a joke?
If you are following a criminal conspiracy against your family, would you rush in before you uncover as many facts and participants as possible?
The Leftist mind never fails to humor!
Awwww… Hell….
Let’s just send those nice terrorist kisses and roses! It really isn’t their fault… it was their Grandfather that….
Shhheeeesssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!