Explosive Gel Was to Be Concealed in Sports Drink

Eric, ever hear of “breaking news”? The facts are not all in, and won’t be for some time.
But news orgs want to be “first” with whatever they think is true.
So take this article, like all others with a grain of salt. But if you think the alleged plot itself is bogus, then you are a hopeless crank.

I think they meant the disassembled camera flash. I used to take them apart and use them as tasers when I was a kid.

Learn how to spell bologna.

Great Job ABC… here come the journalists beginning their step-by-step stories about how to build a bomb based on the publics need to know. Copy cats will appreciate it. Hype before common sense.

They will stop at nothing to attack. We must remain vigilant and trust in our governement to do their job of protecting us. All of these leaks and questioning of our covert strategies works to whose advantage in this war? That’s right, the terrorist. Tap my phone, look at my bank records. I have nothing to hide and if you don’t either than shut your mouth and let the government do their job.

I wonder if they caught these guys by wiretapping their phones. I bet they did.

Anyone who uses the term “imperialist warmonger” has no sense of what the word freedom means.

Smooth move Press Corps! Why don’t you all find out how they were caught and tell the world about it?, Then we’ll have yet another way of protecting those who want to kill us!! Morons!!!

When will President Bush and Congress officially pass a Declaration of War against terror and the Countries that harbor and fund terror? President Bush stated after 9/11 to the World that “You will either be with us in the War on Terror or against us”. Yet we know Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations openly support and fund these fanatical Islamic groups. How many “9/11s” will our nation have to endure before we get serious? Would a Declaration of War been declared if this most recent plot of blowing up commercial airlines had been successful – or are our political leaders waiting for multiple homicide bombers in our cities? As a Viet Nam vet – 3 tours – I am becoming more and more concerned in that I perceive that the Iraq conflict is becoming a mirror of Viet Nam. It is time to get serious and allow the military to perform its mission and win this War on Terror.

Well, here we go again….the drive-by-media wanting to be first with the breaking story. Then telling the whole world how they were gonna do it! Like we need to know that. Maybe now the people on the left will stop screaming about how bad Bush is and realize we are at WAR. A war that knows no boundaries!

“Tap my phone, look at my bank records. I have nothing to hide and if you don’t either than shut your mouth and let the government do their job.”
I am afforded rights and protections and I choose not to give them up. Give yours up at your own peril. The governments job is to work within the legal frameworks of our country’s legislation. Government is not an all powerful unregulated presence. As a citizen patriot, I refuse to give up my rights. The government’s “job” isn’t to run roughshod over the very things that make this country free and great. Shutting up isn’t an option in a free society.

Lets remember:
Law enforcement stopped this plot, not war.
The war in Iraq, fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here, didn’t exactly work as planned.
It was the Brits that discovered it, not the US with all its PATRIOT act police state crap.
If it was a real plot, not a plot like the Florida people who were basically set up and zero threat to anyone but themselves, then the Bushies had nothing to do with stopping it, the liberal UK administration stopped it.

The flash would work because it uses a big capacitor to store energy.

“Tap my phone, look at my bank records. I have nothing to hide and if you don’t either than shut your mouth and let the government do their job.”
Speak for yourself, man. Yes, it’s the government’s job to protect us, but those who run our government have a long record of lying to us and manipulating us. Once you give up freedoms and privacy, they ain’t ever coming back. Use just a little imagination and extrapolate out a few years, will ya?

Oh Aaron, you seem to have been adequately Foxed into thinking everything will be taken care of by our leaders who we must blindly trust. Always question….always, it’s the most American thing you can do.

I wonder if Airliners will still allow us to choose our seats from now on. per the comment on Yuseff

Aaron – you are surely a fool. Move to Russia and take the neocons with you.

They arrested a bunch of people who had an alleged plan. Meanwhile major airports across the globe are shutdown. This is a bunch of fearmongering BS, IMO. Playing on peoples fears and enciting panic.

The freedoms of the entire civilized world in perpetuity are not a good trade for the lives of a few hundred. If it was, why do we fight wars? How many thousands die on the roads? And yet we don’t do much at all to ensure safe driving. . .
Let them attack. We do more to harm ourselves and our culture through “increased security” than they would ever be able to do on their own. And it’s our culture, our way of life, that they oppose. We’re giving them the victory on this and calling it a defeat. There are enough real dangers that we could be spending money on to outweigh the risk of losing a couple thousand people every 5 years.

Just a correction for Eric. They would hide the trigger in a modified camera. Not use the flash. Come on man, pull it together upstairs.

Aaron I agree with you but you missed one thing. Not only is it our government’s job and the police’s job to protect us it’s also every human being’s job. When it really hits the fan there is going to be no one there to protect you and this is what we all most be aware of!

It is our government that has made us unsafe. When will we stop our perpetual meddling in the affairs of other nations?
When will we stop invading other countries that have not harmed us? When will we stop our “sanctions” (acts of war), embargoes, “No-fly Zones”, bombing innocents, poisoning their water supplies to cause sickness and death, especially among children. THIS is the American foreign policy — cruel, brutal, and unbelievably inhumane.
You don’t understand why they hate us? Wake up.

I’m sure this is the first of many theories to be floated by all the news outlets who think they bring the truth. No drinks on planes is yesterday’s duct tape scare.
Btw, shocking to find out the background of those arrested. Here’s an idea, forget about hurting someone’s feelings and start profiling! If you think you might get offended, don’t fly. Eventually the offended parties will start reigning in and calling out the few bad apples unfortunately associated with their demographic and begin solving the problem.

Aaron, the terrorist already won when you are willing to let your gov do anything they want.

The ACLU must be outraged…the government tapped phones, surveilled, etc. Oh no, maybe racial profiling was used too? In today’s world, we can pretend terrorism doesn’t exist and have weak countermeasures. Or we can fight a war to win. I’m glad the plots were foiled, and perpetrators caught. And glad we have leaders and allies (UK, Pakistan) willing to stay the course with us.

Who still believes they took over four planes on 9/10/2001 with boxcutters?

Do you really think copycats need to read cnn.com to figure out how to make bombs…. Then again what else does one expect in the Bush era? “Attack the media – distract from the issues!”

so a plot is foiled and our liberties are taken away. did “they” win or lose?

First your phone, then bank records, then IQ, DNA, Meyers-Briggs. Then where to live, work and marry. And, how many kids to have, you get to pick the sex. Vote right, llve right without rights.

Since George Bush was blamed for causing Hurricane Katrina and global warming, is it too much to ask that he be given credit for doing his job which is to protect the citizens of his country?

It is rumored that they were planning to use TATP explosive, the kind used by suicide bombers. It can be home made from acetone and hydrogen peroxide and is not detected by conventional explosives detectors.
TATP is highly unstable and very easily detonated. A burst of energy from a camera flash could well do the job, and the camera would easily get past security.

And to think, some people would like to limit the power of the goverment to investigate potential threats…
They accuse us of meaningless “scare tactics” but THE THREAT IS REAL!!!!

As a person working in the Travel Industry, this is the best way any terrorist can create havoc. Not only killing many people at one time, but create such a ripple effect that the U.S. Economy may not be able to sustain this time around. I can understand some people’s opinion of “freedom” being stripped away. BUT – wouldn’t you rather be safe than dead for a cause that is utterly ubsurd. Our country is the ONLY country in the world that does not have a manadory passport requirment for travel everywhere in the world. And if lobbyists have their way, the deadline to have your passport to travel will be extended AGAIN. And tell me about our “government” doing their job – exactly where are we with security at our borders – all borders not just airports? President Bush’s agenda is not for the American’s safety, it is for his sliver lined oil owning pockets, and correcting Dad’s mistake. Almost four years and 11 months to the day and the U.S. has almost had another disaster within the Travel Industry. Now that is what I would call a shame.
And for those of you that missed the other news of the day – there were 12 foriegn exchanged students – from Egypt that were suppose to be at the University of Montana, but has yet to report in, 3 of the 12 were found. Where are the other 9 students? Montana University does not believe they are terrorist related? Do you think the Flight School in Florida thought they were training suicide bombers?
Think about that for a moment…

It’s amazing to watch our soldiers fight for freedom and democracy, and then lisen to drivel by the likes of Curt.
The American Ideal is totally gone. The concept that our government watches and monitors everything we do in the interest of the “Public Safety” is disturbing, to say the least. Aren’t we deposing regimes around the world by using the excuse that we are fighting tyranny? That doesn’t fly very far at all anymore.
Other Dictatorships vs the US, who will win?:
Other Dicatorships: Trying to acquire WMD’s to facilitate using them on their idealogical adversaries. Not doing a very good job, apparently.
US: Has thousands of Nuclear and Biological Weapons. In fact, we invented them. Has signaled willingness to use these weapons on North Korea and other idealogical adversaries.
Score: 0 to 1.
Other Dictatorships: Maintaining a war footing and using subversion tactics against rival dictatorships and free countries to ensure their interests are still in the spotlight.
US: Actively blowing rival dicatorships into a Geostationary orbit, to shoot them again when our Star Wars system is operational next month. Status of the armed forces couldn’t really be called “War Footing,” as “footing” implies stationary stance. More like “War Sprinting”
Score: 0 to 2.
Other Dicatorships:
Keeping files on each of their citizens to ensure compliance with whatever dogma the elite leader spews forth today. Prison camps should you fail to comply and they catch you. Enforcement budget: whatever the dictator doesn’t take for his yacht, or $10,000USD.
US:
6 different agencies keeping detailed, computerized, cross linked files on each citizen. Complete with GPS tracking via your cellular telephone. No, really. Gotta love these camera, gps, multimedia phone thingies. Used to just tell us what you are saying, but now upgraded to tell us where you are AND what you are doing.
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba should you screw up. Or you could land in *censored*, or *censored*, or maybe even *censored*, but let’s hope not. Enforcement Budget: “When the number of zero’s in our budget fell off the end of the first sheet of paper, we got confused…”
Score: 0 to 3.
Thank *censored* (Jesus Christ in the US, GWB) that our team is winning. Yeah.

Fools anxious to tear up the Constitution are more dangerous than terrorists.

well i know the flash on those cameras would be strong enough to set something off. all it takes is a small spark on certain chemical and they can explode. just like gun powder.
i’ll tell anyone who thinks we’re not constantly being plotted against is truely clueless. yeah i can see how george bush is wrong taking the battle to them.

AMEN Aaron!! Tap my phones–read my mail–look at my bank accounts–pat me down at the aiport! I don’t care. Just catch these crazies before they kill another. New York Times, are you listening?????

When this news first broke in the middle of the night the news networks made it seem like they caught them red-handed with all the explosives at the airport!! Now it looks like you got a bunch of guys living at their dwellings whom might of only drew pictures in a notebook!!

My congrats to the investigators and police who’s hard work discovered this plot! It surely has saved thousands of lives. The increased security measures and military actions may seem excessive at times but huge terrorist actions like this that are thrwarted validate the worldwide war on terrorism.

Hey just for all you experts. A commercial blasting cap can be set off with a watch battery. And if you think there is anything that ABC or any other network can run that would give these terrorist new ideas, think again. They even know how to build a blasting cap with no metallic parts. So pull your heads out of your fourth point of contact. The masterminds behind these ideas have more knowledge than any news story will ever reveal. There are so many combinations of even simple household items that could cause enough of an explosion to bring a plane down. A simple incendiary device could be made from two compounds that a regular fire extinguisher could not put out and it could burn through aluminum in a matter of just a couple of minutes. Remember all the flack about the spying, surveillance, wire tapping? You better believe that’s what stopped this. It’s time to wake up and realize we are at war with a global enemy and we must remove them from the face of this earth. You want to be safe but expect to sacrifice nothing for it. AHH, The old something for nothing attitude. Guess what? Those days are over.

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
~ Ben Franklin

Forgive me but I think I’ll wait for a reputable news outfit before I take this info at face value. I’m not sure why ABC even bothers anymore.

Hey Aaron,
Just these bozos who can’t figure out how to spend the people’s money wisely, help thousands of Americans stranded in New Orleans for days, figure out a way to stop Iran and N. Korea from getting the bomb, and look completely clueless trying to deal with Israel-Lebanon? Excuse me for not justing the bunch og imbeciles we have sitting in the big chairs right now. I wouldn’t trust them to watch my dog. So no, they can’t look at my bank account or tap my phone. Maybe you were absent the day they taught the Constitution but let’s let Ben Franklin have the last word. “The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.” And his country was on the verge of collapse from Britain. I’d say he’s a bit of a better authority on how important individual freedoms are than you.

We MUST begin Profiling passengers – think about it!!!!
let’s stop being so naive !!!

The government fear machine still hard at work, to create stress and doubt…another planted news story…from the so called heroes (cops)..when are they going to figure out…that we are on to them?
Just because the police\government said they caught the terrorists, and spoiled the plot…does it mean that it actually did happened?…Hey I got some terrorist too…they were on their way to Seven-11 to put poison in the icees.. But I trip them before they got into the store..which caused them to spill the poison outside..I saved the day!

“I have nothing to hide and if you don’t either than shut your mouth and let the government do their job.” Are you kidding?

I’m with Aaron. Listen in on my calls. If the Feds want to hear me argue with my wife, let them have a ball. If using some of the measures we’re using prevents these type of attacks, only a fool would argue. I don’t feel like my civil liberties have been violated. Only the weak-minded ACLU and the likes feel that way. How would we all feel if 2,000 people perished today? Would make listening to phone calls and monitoring money transfers seem pretty insignificant, huh?

All these exposive plots were discussed by security experts after 9/11.Explosives can be implanted under the skin and detonated with a ball point pin looking detenator

Only time will tell if these guys are the real deal or dreamers with more than a fair share of coaching from the very people that nabbed them. The White House has said that they knew of this plot for days – needless to say that there was no great urgency to stop anything then. Remember the rag tag bunch of al Qaida wannabes that the feds paraded before the cameras a few weeks ago – the guys that were so stupid that FBI had to actually buy them boots. How then can the average citizen in the US, Britain, or most anywhere these days believe what our governments tell us without feeling that we are somehow being spun for other purposes ?

Let the government do its job! I feel we must let the professionals do what is needed to protect us. Don’t cloud the issues with freedom of this or that. Remember WWII, all correspondence from the boys overseas were censored.
Try doing that now with cell phones and emails.
Sometimes I wish for the good old days of patriotism and a cooperative nation pulling together to wipe our enemies.

Does anyone really believe that they would only try once and be satisfied with the result. You must be living in LaLa land if you don’t know that they want to kill Republicians, Democrats, Men, Women, Children, Jews, Christians, and even other Muslims. Please!

Tap my phone, look at my bank records? Those who would give up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of security deserve neither, my friend.

“Those who would surrender liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.” – B. Franklin
That being said – this shows that we face a determined enemy who is not interested in millitary victory, but only in creating terror.
They are cowards – unwilling to fight openly, reduced to killing (or attempting to kill) non-combatants to try and force political change that no reasonable person in normal circumstances would adopt.

The camera’s capaciter could be used for a spark…but enough to detonate an explosion capable of destroying a plane? Doubtful.

This situation proves that we are in a war for life or death, and that Bush is right to do all he can, including suspending some cival liberties temporarily, in order to save America, thank you President George W Bush.

The public does not need to have all the details as to specifically what they were going to do. This kind of reporting is reprehensible, alarmist and gives copycats and others a “how to” manual. The media needs to show some responsibility here.

The camera flash makes perfect sense. Electronic flashes use a capacitor to create a high voltage charge – a cell phone would not be able to create that amount of voltage as readily without significant modification. The scary thing is that anyone can buy a disposible camera within most airports secure areas.

Never mind the techno-garbage. We all know airplanes explode. Who are they? Where are they from? How did they get close to the airport in the first place? Who are their friends? Who have they called and/or communicated with in the last week/month/year? When did they plan the REAL attack – not the ‘dry-run?’

Personally I thought it was a rather ingenious idea that would have worked well. but they didnt cover all of the possibilities of getting caught. Thank god for that. You can do anything with science these days. I mean really, In my 11th grade Physics class, we gave someone 3rd degree burns from just touching one of the balls that make your hair standup. Try not to be so closed minded.

People snivel and whine about how it’s not any safer to live in America than it was prior to 911. That’s bogus and yesterday’s discovery of those maniac’s plans to bomb airliners heading for the USA is proof. Big Brother is looking out for you and you better get used to it. Aaron’s comment’s are right on the money, unless you have something to hide !

Aaron,
It is not a matter of having something to hide. It is a matter of privacy. I don’t want some person making just above mininum wage looking into my bank accounts and decide that I have too much money and file a false report. Or listening in and decide that my conversation does not conform to their belief and file a report. I want my freedom to keep my privacy, not give it up because of a bunch of lunacy. If we give up our freedoms to think it is keeping us safe..then we have lost our freedom and already lost the war, and everything else that we have fought for over the years. A prison is a prison no matter how big the cell is. Soon we will all be in cells and the only free people will be the terrorist. Think about it.

Prepared to die for their cause, just how long before the terrorists resort to surgically implanted high-explosive gel packs detonated by a “pacemaker” style timing device? And just how would security catch those folks?

The Democrats think Lamont has the answer? The jihadi will keep attacking us whether we are in or out of Iraq- this is a long-term, world-wide conflict, Iraq is just the opening chapter. Better the IED’s are over there and not on Main Street in Greenwich. Where is Joe Lieberman when we need him?

A camera flash packs a powerful shock. It is charged with a capcitor and works the same way a Stun gun does. Charges up and when it triggers it gives off a high voltage shock. Take apart a disposable camera and you will see for yourself.

Hopefully, this latest terrorist attack plan will change some minds on the left to support our government’s war on terrorism. Thank God that serious and competent people are currently in charge and doing all that they can do to protect us. Their success has allowed all of us to become complacent and question the threat.

Lieberman(the warmonger and Bush’s stooge) goes down in flames in Connecticut so right away some massive plot is uncovered to bring down aircraft in flames.
Anyone remember Osama Bin Forgotten on video 3 days before the election?
A well educated, disciplined, financed group CAN get in and do mayhem, get used to it. If we had used policework after 9-11 instead of “whatever we did” we could have rolled El Quieda up by now. We are making enemies faster than ever and when they come, there will probably be no warning.
God help us all.

The terrorist already know how to make these devices, obviously. It is you the average Joe citizen that need to learn these things so that you can spot some suspicous behavior that is the precursor to something the feds have not yet discovered. THAT is what vigilance means. Congrats and thank you to the feds, brits and all involved. Hiding this information however will not prevent our enemies from searching the internet or buying the books that contain this information. Information is our friend, so good job press. You keep finding things out, making everyone aware and leveling the field in this asymetric battle against evil.

All these security measures are a joke. Anyone with motivation and even average intelligence can figure out how to smuggle weapons, chemicals or even explosives onto a plane. It’s not hard. These measures are purely feel-good for the sheeple. A waste of time and money. That’s what really ticks me off.

laff, inital reports are usually right, they are out before the govt has a chance to change the story.. u remember wtc #7 dont you?

Don’t trust most things the media reports as fact. There are far too many journalists and their editors with political agendas that will spin any sort of news for the means to an end. I truly believe most Americans would rather read about the selfless patriotic soldiers that are securing our freedom worldwide and fighting what is undoubtably “World War Three”. This war is against Terrorists, “aka” Muslim extremists, that will never stop until they are dead or the entire world is under a fundamentalist Muslim leadership. All you liberals that do not agree, do not worry, when the extremist have won, you will be given a chance to repent and switch to their fundamentalist religion, just before they behead you for your prior religious sins of not agreeing with them. So says the religion of peace?

joe11:
Apparently using words actually found in the koran don’t make it through the filter. Let’s just say that ‘propaganda by the imperialist warmongers’ isn’t going to behead you. The real enemy will.

The arrests in Britain show how well its intelligence community has learned from the Bush administration about getting tough on terrorism.
Four years after September 11, the Brits were still pompously taking their softly-softly approach and raging against our tracking and capturing (ugh) Islamo-Fascist dears and incarcerating them (omigod) in secret European prisons and Guantanamo (yikes).
Then came the 7 July 2005 London atrocities and a year later it was revealed three of the four suicide bombers had been in the government’s sights and let go, “deemed not to be a threat . . . on the ‘periphery’ of any plot.”
From “Calls for public inquiry into July 7,” The Independent, London, May 12, 2006:
British security services missed a number of opportunities to intercept the July 7 London bombers, according to an official report published yesterday.
The leader of the bombers, Mohammad Sidique Khan, came to the notice of MI5 at least four times before the suicide blasts, but was deemed not to be a threat.
The Security Service (MI5) had a photograph of Khan and his telephone number as well as the number of another of the bombers, Germaine Lindsay, and had also come across a third member of the team, Shahzad Tanweer, on three occasions. The leads were only followed up in a limited way because the men were considered to be on the ‘periphery’ of any plot.
“The ‘periphery’ of any plot,” of course, is where terrorists assemble before converging to execute any plot, as the Brits have belatedly learned, from us.
Willbo, Boston, former Democrat voting Republican since 1994.

Here’s what I’d like to know, Why doesn’t the Islamic Nation act more offended by these terrorism plots? They make people of all other faiths around the world dis-trust Muslims, Why doesn’t the Muslim leadership around the world call for an end to terrorist acts planned by Muslims? Why aren’t they in the press every day calling for AN END TO TERRORISM?

To all those worried about their constitutional rights, WAKE UP, we are at war with a foe who plays by no rules. They consider the mass death of innocent civilians a huge victory for allah. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. You will have no rights when they murder you.

“I have nothing to hide and if you don’t either than shut your mouth and let the government do their job.”
Spoken like a true sheep. If our government told you the sky was falling, you would probably believe that too….
Its really sad that so many of you people fall victim to this NeoCon garbage. There is good reason why the current administration is sitting at less than a 30% domestic approval rating. Across the world, its even less than that. America is a bully with worthless foreign policies. Instead of trying to rule the world, we should focus on the problems at home. If we kept our nose where it belongs, perhaps we wouldnt be so hated….

Call me crazy, but I don’t recall reading anywhere in the U.S. Constitution that the right to take Gatorade on an airplane is to be protected at all costs. Exactly what freedoms are being infringed by the actions of this administration? Don’t bother answering, it’s a rhetorical question.

The terrorists have succeeded in making our lives miserable. Because everyone is too politically correct to single out young Middle Eastern males and profile them – even though all of the recent terrorist threats and attacks have pretty much been by them.
Strip, Grandma!

the endless cycle of retribution.
Makes you wonder if any of this is actually real…. does the tail wag the dog?

Give me liberty or give me death? Personally I would prefer liberty but if it means giving up some of my liberty to prevent death by a group of people bent on destroying my country then so be it. I want my grandchildren to have freedoms and not worry about where the next attack is coming from. We need to take care of the problem NOW!! There is no negotiating with a people that teaches it’s young children to kill Americans.

Why is the terrorist threat always an inconvenient truth for the left?

i just have to say that i feel a whole heck of a lot better that our government is on top of it and is taking the proper measures. if it means throwing out my makeup and contact lens cleaner, then i’ll do it. if it means not bringing my grande mocha on the plane with me, then i’ll do it. if it means being safe and avoiding another 9/11, then heck yes i’ll do it! i have now realized that the only way to deal with criminals is to think like them. if thats what it takes then, then i’ll do it. thanks for giving a straight, non-biased account of what is actually happening. some of are glad to hear it!!!

Joe:
A bunch of homegrown terrorists concocted explosives in their homes last year and detonated themselves on the London Underground. Why is doing it on a plane any more far fetched? You ask, “Where are these ‘terrorists’ gaining the ability to make such explosives?” Well, where do you think a bunch of hillbillys gain the ability to create bathtubs full of crystal meth? The information is out there. Do a Google search sometime.

I guess this means now we give up another constitutional right (for those in the USA that is). Which one do you think it’ll be this time?

I would gladly give up carry-on luggage if it would help prevent future airplane disasters. It’s sad that we can’t seem to get a grip worldwide on this cowardly terrorist activity. Surely there are enough good people to root out the bad. Kudo’s to the British Intelligence.
Tobinator

Just watch the US is going to take and spin it as if the us has been deeply involved in the whole investigation and say we since I’m an American are tough on the fight over terrorism when we could not protect a wet paper bag in our own country. Let alone the airlines due to politicans who can not make up thier own minds on how to handle the situation. I don’t mean to bash the US I know they are trying but I’ve found the US only reacts after the fact not proactivly.

blah, and eric, come on, are you guys serious, or are you comedians? you really think this is a hoax, or a jfk-style conspiracy? or even better, a neo-con (the new popular codeword for jews or zionists) hoax?

Get real everyone! The Sept. 11th hijackers brought down the twin towers with box cutters! Or have you forgotten? Pointing fingers at each other and calling each other names, won’t fix the problem. Aaron’s as entitled to his opinion as I am to mine, that’s real freedom. Focus your hatred and attention on the real problem and maybe we can make some real cooperative progress to winning the battle on terror.

Shouldn’t you republicans be busy with the all important task of preventing gay people from having weddings? I mean, that was the most important issue facing this country about a month ago, wasn’t it?

Gasoline, kerosene, lighter fluid, deisel -they’re all liquids and they can be made to explode (as in Molotov cocktails, et al.). Gosh, there’s probably enough stuff in your kitchen alone to make a bomb! We should doubt the authorities arresting these lowlifes?
I can’t believe the hair splitting over “whether it’s true or not”.
Duh! Go stick your heads back in the sand. I guess the terrorists will go away when you can’t see them anymore!
Should we be surprised about “homegrown” terrorists? in the UK? in the USA?
No, why should we? With all the laxity in security and in lifestyle, we’ve become soft, lazy and don’t know who our “neighbors” are anymore.
Connect enough dots and there’s even a connection to the cerebral rotgut “MTV” which “celebrates” 25 years. Yeah, 25 years of ruining minds, hearts and souls; paving the way for so many of the crude, the cruel, the undisciplined and self-serving sots around us today.
Wake up, America! and “smell the coffee”. We need to awaken our sense of family, goodness, hard work and discipline, compassion and respect toward others, striving to be the best we can be out of self-respect and a healthy sense of pride. We need to stop the ugly catfighting politics which have dragged us down as a people, as a nation. Stop with the “muckraking” journalism which has not only spread untruths, but has endangered ourselves as well as our troops overseas. We need to care about the poor and downtrodden, defend the weak and vulnerable and not put up with those who use the system for their own gain. Less unscrupulous judges and lawyers would benefit all. We need to humble ourselves and get down on our knees and pray.
“United we stand”, “one nation under God”, and the terrorists will not ultimately win. If we would believe that truth, the good and what is right will triumph in the end, we must seek to live these things.
Stay awake, watch, and PRAY…

Racial profiling now…racial profiling tomorrow…racial profiling forever. The Islamofascists are trying to KILL us. Is that plain enough for the anonymous Bush-haters and conspiracy wackjobs out there?
Time to stop pulling 80-year-old grandmothers out of line for further inspection. Let’s concentrate our limited security resources on the Islamic killers amongst us.

The terrorist threat is very real. Unfortunately so is the threat of the loss of freedoms.

Sounds like a Gatorade marketing ploy to me…
And if I ever got a false bottom, I’d get one like J-Lo’s.

You never know that they can do anything to make bomb. They can find a way no matter what kind. It could be gel. It could be camera.. You never know.

Yes, ben Franklin said “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” but um, how is bringing your starbucks, gatorade or even your precious Pert Plus an essential liberty?
I’m pretty sure he was tlaking on a grander scale, say, the right to freedom of the press, right to bear arms, right to due process, right to choose which religion you want to practice, the right to a fair trial… you know, the liberties that have made it into the consitutioin and the bill of rights. Not the right to carry on your luggage so you can watch DVDs on your laptop and do the crossword puzzle while sipping your mocha frappacino soy latte.
PS Ben Frnaklin also said “beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” He said a lot of things… he was human.

All i have to say is thank you George W. Bush and Prime Minister Blair (among many others) for keeping us safe. You are doing one hell of a job. Thank you for taking the war to them instead of waiting until they bring it to us again.

America needs to wake up and fight our enemy or this country will cease to exist

I am more than willing to forfeit my IPOD,Laptop, and perfume inorder to ensure a safe flight…. People who are complaining, GET REAL! We are at war, people are being killed and beheaded and your worried about your shampoo and gel…Stop being so materialistic and selfish. If you aren’t doing anything illegal than you shouldn’t be worried about privacy issues, because the FEDS aren’t interested in looking at Joe Blows bank statements and listening to conversations with his girlfriend…..By the way we lost most of our rights along time ago, I didn’t hear ya complaining then.
O and for you history genius, our forefathers wrote the constitution how many years ago? My point exactly I don’t think there were disposable cameras at that time in history…

We should put passengers on some flights, baggage on other flights, but not both on the same flight.

It was reported on NBC News that
some passengers today had to juice
out of their containers to prove
that it was “only” juice.
But this was already dismissed
when the terrorists designed the
Gatorade bottle with a false bottom and reak juice on the top.

Unbelievable. This blog just makes me realize how much of a nursery full of babies this nation has become. Too few want to take personal responsibility for their own safety, and too many want the federal government to remove all risks in life.
A hundred years ago people were probably sitting around trying to figure out how to survive with disease-carrying insects, meat-eating wildlife, and dirtbag outlaws who have no regard for life. They all survived these risks, and even perservered in the face of them, without Feds changing their diapers.
If you don’t want to risk dying, don’t leave your house. No one is guaranteeing your safety when you fly, or drive, or even walk across the street.
Let’s get serious about our border security, and stop being so damned politically correct when it comes to addressing serious national security threats. But leave the day-to-day affairs of our lives to each of us personally.
If you’re scared of Islamist extremists, then get off your lazy backside, turn off CNN, and go witness the Gospel to your muslim neighbors. Show them that love conquers all, but we’re all rotten sinners at heart without proper direction.

IED’s can be easily made with minimal assistance. People need to ask themselves whether they’d rather be late, or not arrive at all.

Don’t carry an umbrella when you visit the enemy as Neville Chamberlain did.When a Muslim says “I want to kill you”,you better believe him.

Can I still buy a Pepsi and some Mentos on the flight? lol.

Time to start another war. I agree with the first comment on this page. I’ve watched CNN all day, story changes from T.V to online. How come we didn’t get to see the arrests of these men on camera? This may be Made up i believe. Another reason to send more troops to the middle east. Furthermore, the information broadcasted on T.V only fills crooked people with more ideas. Common sense would tell you that if you were really looking for terrorist, you wouldnt broadcast it on T.v. You would do it in secret, isnt that what “Secret service does?” LOL Gas prices will be $5 a gallon next week. Next supposive terrorist attack will be gasoline. Explosive putin gas to blow us up while we are driving. God forbid!

Why not just TELL the American people about the ‘plot’ or ‘suspected bombing method’ and let US be the eyes and ears? Americans on a plane are perfectly capable of sacking someone trying to mix up a bomb mid flight. lol
NO, instead we have to give up and throw away our toothpaste in the name of safety and security. OUR TOOTHPASTE!???? How much more person IS the intrusion into our lives?
The terrorists – although there were JUST a few real ones, and a bunch of potentials out there – they have won. We’re scared enough to throw away our toothpaste. How SAD!
Islamism is a virus that demands its adherents spread its insanity with violence, and all the wonderful liberals need to figure that out.
I believe most liberals are on the right track – insisting on civil liberties – but they need to figure out that the KORAN demands an infidels head be separated from his body. Its not like it is an old book like the Bible – its pretty easy to understand. Be Muslim, or die. There is no friendship between Muslims and/or Christians and Jews.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

lots of good stuff here—exchange of ideas is great–thank God the terrorists didn’t succceed–kudos to brits ,u s and yes even pakistan for great work
now for my two cents which will bring out the obvious responses—-but can we now fight a true war against terroism–i e iran , afganistan , syria , yes factions in pakistan and yes saudia arabia—-but please not iraq
reminds me of an old saying in another arena and matter— which would apply to this situation like this–the u s is going to be so mad at iran and syria etc that we are going to bomb (again) the hell out of bagdad—

“…not all Muslims are terrorists, but…almost all terrorists are Muslims.”–Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, Manager, Al-Arabiya TV News

Gator,
Yes we have given up our freedoms. If you want to get down to it, it is about money. The more of YOUR money the government has, the larger it can become. If you want to hold on to your freedom’s, hold on to your money. Vote for those who will implement tax cuts. This will allow for citizens to hold politicians feet to the fire who are responsible for our safety, along with everything else you hold dear. Otherwise, it’s communism and curtains.

I’m not a politician, but if all points lead to Syria and Iran, why is the U.N. farting around the topic. Make Iran the focus. That seems to be what they’re trying to subvert, based on the news…

“Pig Blood,” you are wrong about the “Muslim test.” The thing to remember about someone sworn to this is that the act of suicide ombing is supposed to erase all and any sins or uncleanliness and guarantee passage into Paradise.
This is one of the reasons that the 9/11 investigation mentioned the hijackers going to strip clubs and the like before the attacks. If someone believes that the act of martyrdom will guarantee paradise, they can engage in anything and not carry that sin or uncleanliness, as they percieve it. Drinking, strip clubs, whatever. It does not matter. The act of the suicide bombing is supposed to erase it all and guarantee martyrdom. This is one of the things which makes someone commited to this act so hard to stop. They literally believe that they can do anything and still be in Paradise if they succeed, and they are so desirous of Paradise that they will do anything and go to any length to succeed.

Check out the link and learn a little something about capacitors that are contained inside disposable cameras. If you take one apart (Takes 10 seconds) you’ll find a 35mm film canister, a single AA battery (1.5volts) and a capacitor that is charged by the battery. When the capacitor releases it’s charge it gives a momentary burst of 300 volts. More than enough to set off a bomb of this sort. Just because YOU don’t know about this doesn’t mean ABC is making this up. Also, for those who say news agencies should keep these details to themselves, I personally feel safer today knowing that all of you are now better educated than you were yesterday about this. I’m guessing if you find yourself on a flight next to someone with an open sports dink, and they are prying their camera apart, you are better equipped to identify the threat than if ABC and others hadn’t shared this detail.

The british secret service could give a rat’s patootie about our mid-term elections.
What is so terribly sad is that they were unable to share all of the information with American Authorities, or work seamlessly with the same for fear of leaks to the press. That is something that partisan yahoos should get through their heads. It isn’t just shameful–it is exceedingly dangerous. Our own agencies are stratified and compartmentalized for that reason. The bureaucrats are almost impossible to fire, even when they leak, because of a refusal on the part of the administration to prosecute for fear that it would appear “partisan”. It is pathetic, weak, and sick.

The capacitor for the disposable cameras packs quite a punch of electricity. If you don’t believe it, open one up and touch the cap yourself — you will get a good jolt!
It’s better safe than sorry, don’t keep hitting the snooz button after each terror attack. Have you forgotten the London and Madrid bombings already?

When one group is out to harm another, as is clearly the case with Islamic terrorism, profiling is legitimate. (Not that settlers of the US West held the moral high ground, but when they travelled in wagon trains, they didn’t take unknown Indians along for the ride. I’ll bet they stuck to their own as much as possible for their own defence.)
I say let the free market deal with it. Let airlines do the profiling, racial or otherwise, and let passengeres decide if they want to fly a particular airline based on that airlines profiling policies.

I hope you people who think this is all a joke and conspiracy wake the hell up before the elections come around. This is as serious a threat as any of us are going to see in our lifetime.
Repost from above (by Embedded Conservative in the Liberal Nightmare) but it is to good to be missed:
“I urge anyone reviewing this ABC story to consider the following: Al Qaeda (presumably the perps who came close to pulling off the most terrible terrorist attack since 9-11)is still following a play book that they established in the 1990s. The terrorists of radical Islam haven’t changed one bit: they still want to bomb planes, kill innocents by the thousands, and bring America to its knees so they can build a transnational caliphate on the ashes of our way of life. They haven’t changed their goals, or even the methods they wish to employ. They are not simply going to dry up and blow away if we “come home,” build more day-care centers, and say Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan are correct when they state that this nation is the root of all evil. We MUST fight the Islamic Fascists with the tenacity, heroism, and ruthlessness used when the world faced Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini. There is no other choice, and the results of appeasement, capitulation, or defeat at too horrible to bear. When will Americans realize that we cannot fight this war by avoiding national sacrifice, including the minor inconvenience of thorough searches and limited carry-on luggage? When will the Whining Left admit that it isn’t Mormons or Presbyterians who have mounted terrorist attacks against us, but young, Middle Eastern males drenched in Wahhabiism? Why should we continue to admit students from terrorist states into the U.S. for
“educational exchange programs” when they mysteriously and routinely go off the grid? We need to compare the bitching, moaning, and unfathomable denial in some circles of the U.S. to the endurance of the British people during the Battle of Britain. The last time I looked, none of my neighbors were forced to evacuate their children to the countryside or shelter themselves in the Underground to avoid nightly bombings. Parliament passed acts that slapped “D” notices on the media of the time, legally suppressing stories that threatened the national interest, and the Brits rarely batted an eye. What’s more, the British interned almost as many German and Italian nationals as the U.S. interned Japanese. (At least Koramatsu could plead his case in the U.S. Supreme Court!) J.B. Priestly, the famed British novelist and frequent BBC broadcaster during the era, once remarked that the times “were the best in our history, and I regret to say, better than the times we have now.” This nation needs to go to war in spirit as well as with arms. My son (a U.S. Army combat medic) is fighting so you and I can have the freedom to vent our feelings in this forum. Stop whining, America! There’s a war on! Let’s win it — or admit that a burqa looks good on the Missus.”
Wake up people. We are at a turning point in our history. How can you not take this seriously?

actually the intelligence to stop this came from pakistan and was passed on to britian according to drudge report.hold the press liable for leaking information . and an eye for an eye was already mentioned. seal the borders till we can get a system in place to handle immigration at a rate that we can do properly and safely.cant fund it? let the illegals who are caught work it off to pay their way back home. peace

Live free or die. I would rather be dead than be safe and subjugated to a totalitarian, facist government. I would also rather that the fools who would trade their freedoms for promised safety be dead than for me to lose my freedoms. After you have given up your freedoms and are safe from the terrorists, how will you ensure that you will be safe from your government? Freedom is more important than life — that includes my life and, especially, the life of anyone who wants to take my freedoms. In short, come for my freedoms at your own risk.

“Gasoline, kerosene, lighter fluid, deisel -they’re all liquids and they can be made to explode”
Check you physics Christian. They are all nonflamable in liquid form.
More importantly lets look at the fear mongering track record.
Report: Terrorists had uranium. – Not true.
Report: Terorists had nuclear bomb plans – plans were a 1972 joke that made refered to plans for a time machine and cloning device
Report: Dirty bomb plot stopped – Can not even get an indictment for anything.
Report: Terrorist dry run interupted. – a Syirian needed to use the bathroom in flight
Sorry but with this track record I need a lot more than the governments word that there was a actually a threat.

“hope you people who think this is all a joke and conspiracy wake the hell up”
Lets see. How many reported stopped terrorist plots have lead to an indictment in the US. So far zero. How many reported plots have been later found to be totally bogus. I count ten off hand but that is just me.
How about the physics involved with the attack, could it theoretically work. With the shoe bomber the answer was no. With this one is theoretically posable but you would have to be very lucky and incredibly well timed too.
Sorry I can’t get worked up about this non existant threat.

Duhhhhh ipods are still banned on aircrafts leaving the UK and what day is it now? its aug 11th not the 10th. the breaking news is over. DUHHHHHHHH get a brain.

I agree with Ben. These terrorists aren’t going away any time soon. We need to be vigilant…and if that means I can’t take coffee on a plane, so be it. This whining about the way our government handles this stuff has to stop, and we need to either wake up to who our enemies are and what they are up to, or risk being blind-sided by them.

And just what would Bush gain in feeding us b.s. at this point. He’s not running again & doesn’t need to make anyone else look good. In this day & age, it isn’t impossible to believe this story. Where were you on 9/11? Before we saw it with our own eyes, who’d of thought that could happen? I agree that its a good thing they’re fighting the war over there instead of waiting for it to evolve any more than our own nitpicking over here. We truly are a bunch of spoiled brats if we can’t pack the gel in the suitcase and wait for the stewardess to bring us a drink all for the sake of our precious ‘freedom’. Are you proactively doing anything yourself to secure your freedom or the freedom of your children who will be growing up in a society of America haters, loss of all Christian beliefs that our founding fathers put in place for us and who knows what else by then? Freedom is waking up in the morning and not having to worry about a drive by shooting, a crashing plane, another Columbine, a new terrorist plot or a grudge-holding neighbor or classmate pulling a weapon, because they can, in our own back yard…where our kids play. I remember my child’s reaction to the tv news reports on 9/11. As tragic as that day was, it really hits home when a child starts asking how? why? who would do that? and you can’t provide the answers. Don’t wait for it to hit home again before you get a clue.

It was asked earlier if we still believed terrorists took over four planes with boxcutters. Actually, yes, and framing it as ridiculous doesn’t change that. Here’s why it succeeded: first, think in terms of individual planes and the passengers in them. What went on virtually simultaneously were the following: an announcement of a bomb on board. This “familiar” terrorist tactic helped to ensure the passengers that they would land safely, as had happened with similar bomb-on-board flights before. Second, at least one passenger/crew member was brutally attacked and killed by box cutter in plain sight, cowing the passenger group into inactivity. Third, the cockpit was entered and probably unknown to the passengers, the flight crew killed. This happened as planned and rehearsed in all four flights independently. On the Flight 93, which was the farthest out, the plot became known and the passengers overcame their fears and took action. The simplest explanation is usually the best. Remember the college experiment back in the 80′s where a man burst into a classroom holding a banana and yelling “Bang!” Most of the students swore later that he had a gun. The extreme violence witnessed plus the human nature-based desire to hope for the best outcome in a bad situation make the box-cutter takeover possible.

So Ben and his neo-con friends in this space would have us get serious and declare war on those who mean us harm. So in this case the neo-cons would bomb – the UK? The neo-cons sound the alarm to get serious about sacrifice – and in their world that means we would put an end to the estate tax – and end the taxes on dividends. It means a kind of religious cleansing – where all those who appear muslim would live as “suspect citizens”. Yeah. This should create no future problems. Good thinking.

I wonder what the know it all people who think this is a pre-election plot or crying about how bad Bush is would feel if the plotters had been successful? If it had been carried out and a member of their family was killed, what would they say? I think it would sound something like this “it’s Bushes fault, he did nothing to protect us!!! He was so wrapped up in Iraq that he let our security down! Let me please try and remind those people who think that the war we are fighting has caused us to forget the other dangers that threaten us that because of this war our troops are fighting that the ability of the Al Quida has been diminished by thease actions. I suppose that there are those who will never agree with anything that does not fit into their way of thinking and firmly believe that we must have the freedom to believe as they want – as long as is to their liking. Sounds a bit hypocritical huh? Can you prove me wrong!

after just reading some of the comments above about “loss of freedoms” , i would like to point out that there was no freedom for Japanese Americans during world war 2 – they were locked up , by the American government, in prison camps. Entire families – even those who had been in America 2 or 3 generations.
we are nowhere near that situation right now.

I sure hope we start bombing Mexico real soon. After all, they had nothing to do with this “terrorist” plot, which means they had better watch out, because that is what we do…we attack countries that don’t attack us.

I am so glad you brave souls are outing our evil government without fear.
Ever since I discovered what they did with the hurricanes last year I have been in fear for my life. Bush and Rove sent all those hurricanes into Florida to punish them for not allowing drilling for OIL off their coast and Katrina was just because they hate African Americans. Carl Rove knows now that they went to far and we were onto them so they are holding off all the hurricanes so far this year just to through everyone off.
I have discovered their next plot to steel the elections in 08; They are going to create an earth quake just strong enough to make everyone run out of the voting sites then when everyone is gone the Halliburton secret agents will run in and vote a bunch times for who they want.
P.S. For those in the know, we need to add some foil to block the mind control beam, they have turned up the power now.

Greetings, After reading all these posts I find myself totally blown away. I hear many well sounded opinions. I am hoping mine is as well. I want to state that while I love my freedom and fought for freedom in the US Military, there are a few things that do not bother me. First is the concept and it is only concept of the government spying on me. There are 400 million americans plus millions of forign nationals in this country. Do you really think the us has the manpower to spy and listen to every conversation? Not hardly. they will target those they believe to be a threat. Second air travel is not a right. It is a privelage. Just like driving a car. When we have privelage we accept the limitations of what we are doing. third when qouting great people please use the entire quote or give a reference so that people can read the context for the quote. After all a small snippet can mean a whole lot of things.

“If we kept our nose where it belongs, perhaps we wouldnt be so hated….”
Right. We’d be defending ourselves against the communist union 24-7 because they would have taken over every other world government by now.
You’d be living,(maybe), in a state of war all of the time. We’d have an active military draft, rationing
and constant state-of-emergency.
Your ignorance of world history, socialism and human nature is appalling. Your self-centered idea of freedom ignores the fact that it comes with a price. The price that my father, grandfather, uncles and cousins have paid for in blood.
Grow up and wake up to the reality that the reason we are hated is because we fight for freedom and don’t buckle to socialsm. Except for Connecticut, apparently and Hilary Clinton.
You are the type of person that is hurting this country. If you are so
convinced that we’re to blame for all the world’s evils, go over to Iraq and discuss it with the militants there. The same ones who burned our servicemen to death and drug their bodies through the streets. These people want you dead as well.
I imagine that would cure you of your romantic notion that “we can all just get along”.

Maybe heaven is a better place, because its starting to get like hell on earth

When we start preventing the 40,000 deaths anually caused by unnecessary car crashes, then I’ll start worrying about the few thousand that might be killed every 5 years or so.

TJ,
“The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure.”
Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491
Great quote. Don’t you think it a shame our press is no longer “free” but laden with politcal agendas? Thank God for the internet.
The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure.
Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491

I wish everyone would stop mentioning the fact that the plotters may have been Muslim. If they were they would be doing what is expected of good muslims worldwide. The prophet killed and ordered many killed because it was the will of God.
Leave muslims alone

Our government leaders, UK and US, are a bunch of politically correct, cowardly baffons.
We need to allow our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan to finish the job the way they are trained. We need to stop illegal immigration and deport all illegals . Finally, we need to racially profile and start going after the bombers , not the bombs !!!

Libs have to turn everything into a Bush-bashing event.

All this scarey talk about losing our freedoms….can anyone cite an example where anyone they know has had their freedom violated???

Too many people want the Western World to play be all sorts of esoteric, restrictive and theoretical “rules” of war. We are in a fight for our lives against radical Islam and they have no rules at all except “win”.
It’s about time we woke up and fought them on their terms. We need to be just as dirty, underhanded and ruthless to them as they are being to us. Against an enemy with no scruples I’d rather be a live “dirty fighter” than a dead idealist who fought cleanly!

Benjamin Franklin never said “Those who give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserve neither freedom nor security.” He would have been insulted that people attribute such a silly sentiment to him — because he would have recognized that EVERY act of government involves a trade-off of liberty for security. “To ensure these rights [i.e. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], governments are instituted among men.” Gun control is a trading of liberty for security. So are speed limits, antidiscrimination laws, environmental regulations, etc. All government is about drawing lines; the advantage of a democracy is that the people do the drawing. An intelligent democracy draws those lines based on rational calculations, not on pompous misquotations of great men.
There is virtually nothing in the PATRIOT Act that doesn’t have a precedent in previous government restrictions. In my opinion, the government’s powers with respect to income tax withholding and the “war on drugs” are far more invasive. In fact, most of the investigative powers the government was granted to use in the anti-terrorism context by the PATRIOT Act were already available to it to use in anti-drug efforts.
I’m a lot more willing to give up a limited amount of liberty (say, my right to be notified immediately if records connected to me and maintained by a third party are subpoenaed by the government) to help prevent my being blown up on a plane, than I am to prevent Stoner G. Ponytail from lighting up a roach, or to make sure my neighbor doesn’t fudge a few bucks on his tax return. If you’re OK with the government having broad investigative powers in connection with things far less serious than terrorism, why the screeching about the government having those same powers to investigate something that might actually be an actual threat?

Your right Pete! Its all ment to trick and confuse those who had not had the mind control chip inserted into their heads yet!
Keep up the FIGHT PETE!
I got to go now…. I have a headache

“Lets remember:
Law enforcement stopped this plot, not war.
The war in Iraq, fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here, didn’t exactly work as planned.”
Let’s remember that WAR stopped Saddam, his sons, and Zarkawi. WAR also stopped Hitler, and Hirohito.

wow that’s a lotta blog.
To the “thanks Stupid media for telling copycats how to do it”, “we don’t need to know the details” etc. – The bad guys are smart, they don’t need media to tell them how. Vigilence remember? Maybe now normal passengers on planes (let’s not forget the next targets, trains) will be scrutinizing the bottle bottoms looking for something a little amiss…….Myself I was naive about this and am grateful to be clued in.
To the Morons!!! folks. The bad guys know about wiretaps, bugs, survelience. Even drug dealers use codes. I’m grateful someone spotted it and decoded it. Thankfully, bad guys have limited ways of communicating across the globe, and everything done by sattelite communications can be watched.
Aaron, tapping your phone and looking at your bank account, or the phones and bank accounts of the billions of non-bad guys globally, wastes precious time and resources. You can’t just wiretap everybody and listen in. There’s not enough time to go through it all.
To the “terrorists will have won” and “we are at war” folks – the bad guys have already accomplished quite a bit. It’s not a matter of winning or losing because this isn’t a game. Good guys win when they foil plots like this (BTW excellent job to anyone involved in stopping it), bad guys will keep coming because they haven’t lost. This “war” will be perpetual. It will never end until many generations after a “political solution”, in this case a religious fanatical minority, not a country, is eliminated by the non-fanatical majority. In the meantime, fight countries to stem the tide. Afghanistan right direction, Iraq, wrong direction. There are so many other countries our resources could have been used to prevent the spread of terrorism.
To the Bush haters – quit blaming him for the things that don’t matter or he can’t control, it just dilutes any real criticism out there.
To the blindly loyal Bush Backers – c’mon, he’s human and has made mistakes. Admit one already.

World War III has begun. Just like WWII we don’t want to be involved, but we have no choice. I’m not worried about the government tapping the phone calls of people in contact with terriorists. I am not worried about the government tracking wire transfers from foreign countries. These are reasonable precautions in wartime. I am worried that someone will get their hands on a suitcase atomic weapon and turn San Francisco into a radioactive wasteland for the next 200 years. I am worried that such an attack could put American into a severe economic depression which could last for a decade putting millions out of work and causing untold hardship to the population. Those people who fear their own government more than they fear the enemy are not rational.

“Was there even a way for anyone to kill 3,000 people at once in the 18th Century?”
Yes, it was called smallpox. We used it to terrible effect on the native Americans.

While I agree with the “terrorists are a real threat” posters, I do not agree with the “somebody save me” attitude that often is paired with the first.
The government can’t protect you. That’s a fact. Any basic criminology text book will plainly state that law enforcement is only a deterrent to clean up after a crime was already committed. The only person who can protect you is yourself. That’s why we have the second amendment.
For every new “security measure” that is imposed on us, the terrorists will come up with another ingenious circumvention. Their goal is *not* a specific act of destruction, it is to creat a downward spiral to authoritarianism, to then cause a rebellion.
Osama Bin Laden regularly speaks directly to the citizens of the Western powers trying to incite us against our governments. Al Queda is trying to create division between the sheeple who cower in fear and want a Big Brother to “protect them” by stripping us of our civil liberties (the very thing that defines the USA) and those more hearty souls who would rather die free than live in chains. Unfortunately it seems the Al Queda strategy is working.
I would much prefer carrying a firearm and wearing a bullet proof vest daily and living with the risk that my airplane will suddenly fall out of the sky than to be told by some capricious authority who I may talk to, where and when I may travel, How I should conduct my personal life, etc. For those neo-cons who would attack my position, remember the Republican party used to be full of people like me. It is you who are the anomoly, drunk on power.
For those who doubt, remember “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Try reading “1984″, “The Mitrokin Archives” (KGB intelligence papers), and “The Road to Serfdom”. Then see if you still feel the way you do now.

The “neo-cons” [code for grown-ups] will at least fight, not surrender, cut and run, vote for the war before they voted against it or withdraw immediatly like the "libs."[code for globalists] will. JFK wouldn't even recognise his party [or his brother]today. We need a leader like Churchhill, not Neville Chamberlain.

This is rediculous all i hear are my liberties are gone booo-hoo. Look, so when your going to fly you need to get checked no drinks no carry-on. I can’t call my friend and say the plane was the bomb or buy 500 cell-phones at wall-mart. Does this really inconvience you? I don’t steal or launder money look at my bank records they suck anyways. Flying is a privalege. you ask to fly. You make sacrafices for convinence, long waits are your new sacrafice deal with it or drive. I don’t like buying a soda for 2 dollars but i”ll do it for convience. Stop spending so much time worrying about your liberties there not going to go away they just need to be reanalized and set at a new standard. things change, we lock our doors at night we have alam systems. When we get those horror stories of serial rapist on the loose at night. What do we do? say don’t go out at night. WE TAKE SECURITY MEASURES! People it sucks to be in a line for 4 hours but doesn’t getting blown up suck too? Sorry if it saves me or someone else i can take waking up earlier for the airport and the inconviences too. Rather be the where they check and don’t catch something than where they don’t check and miss something.Plus you were fine without your ipod 5 years ago. Bring a book!

I’ve read throught the posts above and am amazed at the number of people who blame the government for not having done enough while others blame the government for having reached to far in their actions.
Blame the Bushes. Blame the Clintons. Blame the Neocons. Blame the Bleeding Heart Spineless Liberals.
If the incredibly ‘strong and intellectual’ arguments made above are representative of what our nation has to offer…. then no wonder nothing is ever accomplished. If these posts are representative of those who will vote in 2008, then I WEEP FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS GREAT NATION.

It’s all a bunch of B.S. Be afraid, your safe…but be afraid but we’ll keep you safe. One day after Lamont wins the primary and there was going to be weeks of news coverage with polls showing 60% of the American Public is against the war. You think this is coincidence? This is mind control, this is how it works. Wake up.

Notice: it was police work, not missiles that got the bad guys. The US needs cops with language skills; instead we’re kicking skilled translators out of the military for being gay or for being “too friendly” with Guantanamo prisoners, while tons of NSA and legal wiretaps go untranslated. We need sources inside the communities where these terrorists come from; instead we’re alienating even the most pro-Western people in the communities we need help from.

God forbid “they” just figure out that they could just open a door during the flight…or the lighting and/or plugs in the bathrooms for electric current.
Racial profiling should remain illegal, but common-sense needs to be made a law.
Taking grandma’s douce isn’t saving anyone, nor checking children with wands.
If a 6’5″ white guy, weighting 220 pounds, about 25-45 years old, is being searched for, skip the woman(unless they look like a guy), children, non-white people, old guys, etc…
You get the point right?
COMMON SENSE…
Weren’t most of the 9/11 terrorists from Saudi Arabia? We didn’t invade them…

Embedded Conservative in the Liberal Nightmare,
I feel your fear and wish your son god speed and a safe return.
However, I disagree as to why he is there.
He is there because the elected leaders of this nation forced an unwanted war, and I’m sure you fear for your son’s safety, but please don’t chastise the majority of this nation by justifying the exaggerations and untruths and lack of patience that have resulted in almost as many American soldier deaths as 9/11 deaths. And for what? We will never “win” because this hatred will continue. This is not like WWI or WWII, this is unprecedented, and the beginning of a fight we can’t win. We should have invested the 200 billion+ wasted on Iraq to homeland security. Then I would agree that our leaders are vested in securing our liberties.

all you ..shut up.
worry about what you can control.Not what you can’t.
go and spend time with family and loved ones. …

if you want to learn/understand more about terror cells,,maybe you should rent the movie”TELEFON” w/charles bronson?? Take a good look at how those hidden people/cells came to life with just a plain simple “phone-call”??? intresting,,isnt it?(Budman)

Since the first skyjacking in the early ’70′s, we have been progressively disarming passengers–to the point that the 9/11 jackers new that they would face no armed response, and could take over multiple aircraft armed with _razorblades!_
Obviously, this disarmament policy does not work.
Neither will this new ban prevent liquid multipart explosives from being brought on board.
1) Ground crew can place parcels on board before passengers ever board.
2) Material can be placed in sealed plastic and taped to the body.
3) Material can be sealed in containers and swallowed, to be retrieved on board.
As to detonators, many binary explosives (acetone peroxide for instance,) become so sensitive during manufacture or storage at some temperatures that they will explode with little or no provocation. (Much like the popular conception of nitroglycerin–which in fact is really pretty stable if properly handled.
Strip them down, knock them out, ship them as packages in caskets, and a cleaver bomber can still get a bomb on board.
This is a social problem, and thus needs to be solved as such; technology cannot and will not provide more than stopgap measures.
Until you solve the root problems that make a person into a terrorist, you will not solve the problem. At best, you can make a particular target too difficult to bother with, at which point a different target will be selected.
(Oh, the media said that this plot was “mass murder on an unthinkable scale”–nonsense. Remember WWII? Remember Cambodia? Remember the troubles in Eastern Europe? Those were deaths in the millions; this was to be a few thousand. Media hype.

yea send them to iran

The State Department recently issued a check for US-dollar 5 million as a reward to an American flight instructor, who alerted the FBI about the so called Twentieth Hijacker(Zacharias). The instructor’s motive was not money, but he was concerned about the security of the United States. He definitely deserved the reward for his efforts and courage. But I think that even non-Americans who work on daily basis to track/thwart the terrorists and the terror plots, should be recognized and/or rewarded for their priceless efforts/toil.