Aug 8, 2006 11:38am

FBI: Approach Missing Egyptians with Caution

The FBI has issued an urgent nationwide alert for 11 Egyptian students who entered the United States last week but failed to show up for their courses at Montana State University. An FBI advisory says there are, at present, no known connections to any terrorist group but that the students are to be "approached with caution" and taken into custody.  They "are here illegally and wanted for questioning," the advisory says. The advisory comes just over a month before the five-year anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks on the United States. "This is of very serious concern and is being closely tracked," said Rep. Peter King (R-NY), Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. The FBI says the Egyptians arrived at John F. Kennedy Airport in New York on July 29 and disappeared. The advisory says the alert is nationwide but that there is specific concern the Egyptians may be on the Eastern Seaboard.

According to the advisory the 11 missing Egyptians are:  1. Ibrahim, El Sayed Ahmed Elsayed; DOB OF 4/29/1986.
2. El Dessouki, Eslam Ibrahim Mohamed; DOB OF 02/21/1985.
3. El Bahnasawi, Alaa Abd El Fattah Ali; DOB OF 04/02/1986.
4. Abd Alla, Mohamed Ragab Mohamed; DOB OF 02/15/1984.
5. El Laket, Ahmed Refaat Saad El Moghazi; DOB OF 09/01/1986.
6. El Ela, Ahmed Mohamed Mohamed Abou; DOB OF 02/02/1985.
7. El Moghazy, Mohamed Ibrahim Elsayed; DOB OF 08/08/1986.
8. Abdou, Ebrahim Mabrouk Moustafa; DOB OF 02/25/1984.
9. El Gafary, Moustafa Wagdy Moustafa; DOB OF 07/01/1988.
10.Maray, Mohamed Saleh Ahmed; DOB OF 09/12/1985.
11.El Shenawy, Mohamed Ibrahim Fouaad; DOB OF 08/12/1988.

User Comments

If we know they are here, how did we allow them to get in illegally to begin with?

Posted by: Grace | August 8, 2006, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Are we stupid or what? Have we not learned our lessons? After reading Vanity Fair’s report and release of our “Air Defense Systems” during 9/11, I am positive that we all live in a cloud of false sense of security. Here is another prime example, we need to halt all F1 visas and take the necessary pre-cautions to protect our nation. But of course schools will lobby against it because F1 visa money goes straight to the schools versus it going to the state or federal govt.

Posted by: Aaron | August 8, 2006, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Gee, I *wonder* why they’re missing… I would bet you all that they’re nothing more than just a groups of jihadis that we now have roaming our nation. Nice going, Homeland (in)Security.

Posted by: Phil | August 8, 2006, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

I smell something fishy….

Posted by: Teflon | August 8, 2006, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

YIKES!

Posted by: eric mantia | August 8, 2006, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

OK…so, if they are here illegally, why in Gods name didn’t they get stopped at Custom’s and put right back on an airplane…or is it that the liberals just want to welcome them here with open arms? After all, they are just “students”, right? Students of Hezbollah…!

Posted by: Dan | August 8, 2006, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

My comment on this is….they are here illegally????? How in the world did they even get through customs at JFK???? So much for stepped-up measures to protect us. These guys are obviously up to no-good, if they arrived, then disappeared. I suppose the FBI is going to do charts & graphs to see if they are a threat to us. :-(

Posted by: Jan | August 8, 2006, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

And I suppose everyone of them spoke perfect English, had a bus or train ticket to Montana, and a note from their mom……..
Oops..here’s your sign……..

Posted by: dreek | August 8, 2006, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

They’re here illegally because they entered on F1 visas and THEN did not show for class. Not showing up at there school makes there visas invalid. They had valid visas at the airport. Hope that helps.

Posted by: Todd | August 8, 2006, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

So lets hope they are found soon. What else has to happen before George and everyone else in charge gets their head out of the sand?

Posted by: AJ | August 8, 2006, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

How about we do this. At each major airport, and at each border crossing, we post singns in all languages the reads the following.
* We have not learned our lesson from 9/11. All illegal immigrants, all terrorists no need to sneak in. Just arrive at any airport, or boder crossing. Walk up to the customs officer and say. I’m an illegal immigrant or a terrorist. I would like entry into your country*. They will have no problem getting in.

Posted by: Ronan | August 8, 2006, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

Just for the record, note that the story doesn’t say they “entered” the US illegally. Rather, the advisory says they are now illegal (i.e., AWOL) now because they did not show up for their classes in Montana. Let’s get the facts right before we assume US security was amiss.

Posted by: Bruce | August 8, 2006, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

How nice! Just in time for a sequel to 9/11. When will we ever learn? A special thanks to all the liberals who fight to allow the F1 Visa program to continue. It’s time to stop this nonsense.

Posted by: WTH | August 8, 2006, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

While I agree that there could be something up, my question is, when did Egyptian equal Taliban? I agree that we have to be strict with who we allow into the country and who knows if these young men are up to no good BUT profiling of any kind is wrong and we all need to remember that. It wasn’t too many years ago that Jews and Asians and those of African heritage were being BLANTANTLY profiled (and truthfully, in some cases, they still are) and we are starting to do the same thing with anyone who MIGHT be middle eastern. Kinda sad! I really hope these gentleman are found and that whatever they were doing was innocent so as to prove the conservative community wrong.

Posted by: Mandi | August 8, 2006, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Yes, they were here on student Visa’s then didn’t show up. Read the article.

Posted by: Austin | August 8, 2006, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

They’re here for White Castle! Duh…

Posted by: jj | August 8, 2006, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

Something isn’t adding up. The story says they are students but also says they are illegal. If they are students, doesn’t that mean they should have a Visa? I wish to hear more on this story. Did the students have fake Visa’s to make it seem like they were students?

Posted by: Duane | August 8, 2006, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Well if they had student Visa’s, they are not here illegally.

Posted by: Duane | August 8, 2006, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

I’m guessing they weren’t illegal until they didn’t show up for classes. (I work in HR). Their visas were probably only good for study, so since they’re not at the university, they’re now in the country illegally.

Posted by: Jill | August 8, 2006, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

And there are Eleven (11) which also is related to Sept 11 ?

Posted by: James | August 8, 2006, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Something is DEFINATELY wrong here. In todays world this should not have happened, and is completely unforgivable. I have to wonder if they all arrived on the same plane? And if so, shouldn’t 11 known illegals on a plane big a BIG alert to all government agencies. They shoulda been at the gate with cuffs and pistols at the ready.

Posted by: kc_mike | August 8, 2006, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Everyone’s cutting down Homeland Security and they don’t even know why the “students” are illegal, except for Todd. EVERYONE needs to learn more about security and what to do in case of emergency. Do you know what your local and state emergency management procedures are for various situations? Or are you going to wait and hope someone else will be there to insure your safety later on, or just complain when nobody is there to rescue you. This F1 situation can happen anytime and anywhere. How do you monitor everyone with visas 24/7? Visit your states Emergency Management website and find out what you should do during emergencies, just in case something happens near you.

Posted by: Kevin | August 8, 2006, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

So, where are their pictures? What do they look like? We can’t be expected to be on alert looking for someone if we don’t have pictures!

Posted by: Machele | August 8, 2006, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. Please stop claiming that liberals are the problem with allowing potential terror threats into the country.
The issue comes down to the ridiculousness of not using racial profiling. We have a specific group of people from a specific part of the world that want us all to die. Shouldn’t we be investigating groups of “students” applying together to American universities anyway?

Posted by: Bryan | August 8, 2006, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

Many liberals argue that we can not compromise our freedoms in exchange for greater security from islamic terrorism. However, WHEN we are attacked again, the first casualty will be those freedoms that liberals are defending. By making it more difficult to prevent an attack, we are creating the environment that will lessen our fundamental liberties.

Posted by: John | August 8, 2006, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

They got in just like the other terrorists. How could no one at JFK be suspicious of these 11 men… What’s going on at our airports??? Now the US has to spend lots of money tracking them down.

Posted by: Anna | August 8, 2006, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. Please stop claiming that liberals are the problem with allowing potential terror threats into the country.
The issue comes down to the ridiculousness of not using racial profiling. We have a specific group of people from a specific part of the world that want us all to die. Shouldn’t we be investigating groups of “students

Posted by: Bryan | August 8, 2006, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

To someone who studies security matters seriously, there is one, and only one really worrisome fact: All eleven of them are missing. This isn’t “Two drunk young men are in a brothel” type AWOL. Where are they? How could they go missing as a group “accidentally”? What is there source of funding? Who is helping them (vehicles, guidance, lodging, etc.)?

Posted by: Greg | August 8, 2006, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Just great students my foot. Find them and get them out we need gto lock the borders and stop sending money to all these secrewed up countries. They are illegal and need removed!

Posted by: joe | August 8, 2006, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

They were let into our country legally . . . they are now here illegally because they never showed up for their classes. Obviously something is amiss – are they on holiday, are they lost or are they really terrorists? My guess is they’re lost and having a great time.

Posted by: Rose | August 8, 2006, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

This country will never learn we are in war still to this day and still letting illegal people enter are country. How smart are we? 11 missing will be found on the 11th day of Sept. probably with connection to something bad again for all.

Posted by: Logan | August 8, 2006, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

They were here LEGALLY. They got in LEGALLY, with permission . The moved about LEGALLY. When they failed to show up for school as per their docs, they became illegal.

Posted by: LEARN TO READ | August 8, 2006, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

This country will never learn we are in war still to this day and still letting illegal people enter are country. How smart are we? 11 missing will be found on the 11th day of Sept. probably with connection to something bad again for all.

Posted by: Logan | August 8, 2006, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

What if these people detoured to the Grand Canyon on their way to Montana (the US has some very interesting parks), got hi-jacked by some crazy Texans, would have been in Montana by now… but are dead in the desert… what if?

Posted by: seth | August 8, 2006, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

How many more American lives need to be lost before the liberals understand that if we deny entrance into our country and invade the privacy of a few innocent people that we will save thousands of lives. Isn’t that worth it???

Posted by: TBone | August 8, 2006, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

I just called MSU and thier classes don’t start till the 23rd…their number is (406) 994-2452. FISHY FISHY FISHY

Posted by: VeryPlainJane | August 8, 2006, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

ummm, ABC, wouldn’t it make sense to post their photos? I doubt anyone will be able to notice these guys based on their birthdays alone, just a thought.

Posted by: Matt | August 8, 2006, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

This Liberal versus Conservative tone the shows up in almost every issue has me concerned for this country. Instead of everything being a finger pointing blame game between the two groups, how about starting to think as Americans again. If this partisan thinking keeps up, it won’t be long before were just like the Sunnis and Shites in Iraq. They think of themselves as Sunnis and Shites before thinking of themselves as Iraqis. Seems like that is the way America is going. People seem to be thinking of themselves as liberal or conservatives first and Americans second.

Posted by: Kevin | August 8, 2006, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

It wouldn’t be the first time that some students screw up their status by not showing up for classes on time. Except that if those were Germans or Brits, nobody would make a big fuss about it.

Posted by: Sara | August 8, 2006, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Please keep in mind that in trying to hunt down these Egyptians that you are not allowed to racially profile. We should give this to the Democrats to resolve. I am sure they can lure them back into the public view with hugs and kisses.

Posted by: Doug | August 8, 2006, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Dear Homeland Security — QUESTION: If we can turn airplanes around for names on a do not call list from England and France, then why is it so difficult to watch ELEVEN Middle Eastern Montana student(s) … whom you allowed into the country? ANSWER: Because no one is monitoring these people as they illegally enter (or don’t attend classes) into our country. It seems to me, that before we allow anymore of these “student visas” … that we should have ankle bracelets on them when we are concerned about what their plans are … why not require all Middle Eastern travelers to wear some type of tracking devise … so that other Americans can continue to enjoy their personal freedom without losing it?
In other words, protect our liberty from foriegners and protect AMERICA from losing any of it –

Posted by: Peter | August 8, 2006, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Folks you are saying liberals but the conservatives are in charge!!! It’s their homeland security that was formed, and the these illegals are here, along with many others, under their watch. hummm.

Posted by: WhatThe | August 8, 2006, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

This is never going to stop, so we need to take the steps to stop what we can and prepare for those attacks we can not stop. Stop the F1 visas being issued without an in depth security investigation on the other side, and that at the expense of the visa applicant. On this side, we need to establish our response to the attack that is going to come. There will be no more WTC disaster. The next attack will be with small arms, AK47′s and the like, at small town malls and will be against those areas that can not defend themselves or are ill equipped to do so. To that defense, we need to follow the lead of some of our sister states, make it legal to arm yourself. Carry that weapon so the intruders know we are waiting for them. Another thought would be to look to the millions of trained military personnel who are retired or finished their “hitch” and are now civilians. All of them have been trained in small arms use, safe use. Arm them as auxiliary state police or auxiliary US Marshalls and let them carry a weapon.

Posted by: John | August 8, 2006, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Give them a break! Maybe they took a wrong turn in Albuquerque? LOL

Posted by: Kent | August 8, 2006, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

If classes don’t start till the 23rd, then the students aren’t even really illegal yet. F-1′s are allowed to enter up to 30 days before their program start date.

Posted by: Ash | August 8, 2006, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

They are here illegally because they had their visas revoked AFTER they failed to show up for classes, as stated in the various news articles covering this subject. They entered the US in a perfectly legal manner.

Posted by: Marla | August 8, 2006, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

Nice, we just do not get it do we? 9/11 was so sad and people are still hurting from all that happened. We are setting our selfs up once again by letting people into the US. Maybe the next time they will take more lives and maybe then we just might get it.

Posted by: kathy | August 8, 2006, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Thanks for using this topic (or any other for that matter) to blame so-called “liberals” for every failing of our government past and present.
Since I have opposed this president’s colossal failure in Iraq since before day 1, I guess I must be lumped in with the liberal group even though historically I have voted Republican.
Even though Republicans have had a stranglehold on legisaltive power since 1994, 12 years later all you can offer on any topic is hate-filled blame for liberals.
If you people were born 50 years earlier you would be labeling any one who didn’t share your exact opinions as Communists – the uninformed simpletons’ moniker of choice during that era.
Stop listening to Rush and Sean and please rejoin our great society.

Posted by: Bruce in Spokane | August 8, 2006, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

I just called MSU … classes start Aug. 28th. and not Aug. 23rd.

Posted by: A bit concerned | August 8, 2006, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Just called the FBI and asked if they heard of this…the two agents I talked to said they had not…but would get back to me on it in a few days…FBI website says nothing

Posted by: veryplainjane | August 8, 2006, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

ok wow…half of your comments complain and whine about how they got through customs if they were illegal. They werent illegal when they came here…they were on a student visa, which means they broke the law the first day they didnt show up for classes. Stop blaming liberals or home land security for something they didnt do wrong. oh and i love the right-winged ignorance.

Posted by: chris | August 8, 2006, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Um, profiling is always wrong????
Here’s a scenario: If there were several bear attacks in my neighborhood, would I be wrong to be cautious of only bears or should I be cautious of rabbits,squirrels and racoons as well? If I were only cautious of the bears I guess that would be unfair. lol

Posted by: Jake | August 8, 2006, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

University of Montana classes begin on August 28th. If they’re attending some other Montana school, what’s that school’s first day of classes. If it hasn’t happened yet, when did these “students” not show up for classes, and if it was for a summer session (which began for U of M on June 26th) why wait until now to alert the masses. C’mon ABC news, give more details here. Otherwise, perhaps you’re just helping the GOP with their scare tactics of waiting until they need bogeymen before they release news of missing Arabs without due dilligence into why this is news today rather than a non-primary day closer to the event in question.

Posted by: ColoTim | August 8, 2006, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

Is this Peter “It’s all over except for the counting, and we’ll take care of the counting” King?
It takes some gall to blame such a situation on “liberals” — “liberals” being anyone who isn’t a neo-con — considering who is in power right now. It’s the neo-cons who control Congress and the White House, who have left the borders wide open.
This seems awfully convenient timing too. The primary in Connecticut is a referrendum of sorts on Iraq policy. Nothing like putting a good scare into to the voters. If this is a real threat, how ’bout showing us some photos so we can find these guys?

Posted by: Chris | August 8, 2006, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

How about we focus on a solution to this situation. Are there photographs of these guys? Having their names and ages is nice, but that doesn’t help the average American notice them.

Posted by: JUDD | August 8, 2006, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

everyone needs to stop being so ingnorant just because they come from that specific side of the world doesnt mean that they are bad people, there’s bad people in America, let them enjoy themseleves here in america, the fall semester doesn’t start until about another week or two

Posted by: Heidy | August 8, 2006, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Gee, a setup for another bogus “attack”.
How convenient!
Let’s see … 19 guys made chimps out the ENTIRE US military, so 11 guys can only outfox the DHS, the Army and the Navy.
Maybe their target will be the Amish popcorn stand in Indiana that the DHS identified as a target a couple of weeks ago?

Posted by: Arlo J. Thudpucker | August 8, 2006, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

OK, not U of M, but from the story Montana State University. Same schedule – classes don’t start till the 28th, the last partial summer term started June 26th. Either this story is very late, or the fact they entered last week and haven’t shown up to classes is incorrect. Again, ABC, tell us the accurate story.

Posted by: ColoTim | August 8, 2006, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Now I am confused. They arrived in the US about 10 days ago. If it is true that their classes don’t start until August 23rd, 15 days from now, then why have their visas been cancelled?
There are problems with the story.
Whatever turns out to be the truth, it is clearly impractical for a Muslim or Middle Easterner to travel in the US or maybe even in Europe without suspician these days.
There is too much suspician and hatred based on race and religion.
That is certainly not completely new.

Posted by: Ed | August 8, 2006, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Dear ABC News: I’d sure like to see pictures of these guys. Names don’t do much good.

Posted by: Fred | August 8, 2006, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Rather than point guilt at the government for losing track of the “students”, take a look at yourselves. I remember every lesson that was learned on September 11th. However, if the listed “students” were from say, italy, there wouldnt have been one reply on this page or about this new article. Racial profiling is being done, whether we believe it to be wrong or not. We must not let the atrocious sins of a group tarnish the name of everyone who follows a certain religion or lives in a certain area of the world.

Posted by: Anthony | August 8, 2006, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

In this article, it says they were there for an exchange program. Just to clarify for those saying that classes haven’t started yet.
Still, I wonder why CNN and other news outlets haven’t reported this.

Posted by: sara | August 8, 2006, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

HHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMM…. They are enrolled for classes at montana state university, why in the world did they get flown into JFK, lets ask that again, why did they get flown into JFK, why didn’t they get flown directly to Montana if they are here just for studies and their visas are only good for that, dumb founded stuff. i’m not sure what to think ?

Posted by: jurby | August 8, 2006, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

classes dont start @ Montana State until the 23rd of August…

Posted by: Marie | August 8, 2006, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

How can they have failed to show up for classes if the classes don’t start until 8/24? This seems like much ado about nothing, just another scare tactic. They are probably doing some site seeing on their way to Montana. people..GET A GRIP!

Posted by: Fingersfly51 | August 8, 2006, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

Does anyone else remember the recent video statement from Al Qaeda that they had just joined forces with an Egyptian jihadist group? Wonder if these “students” are part of that group…?

Posted by: Kathy St. | August 8, 2006, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

This is a war for your freedom as Americans, what does American and freedom mean anyway to you? I don’t guess much. Sacrifice your few remaining liberties if you like. Most of you above are idiots don’t deserve either anyway.

Posted by: Jean | August 8, 2006, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Stop issuing F1′s. It was the bloody liberals who pushed for this to continue

Posted by: brian | August 8, 2006, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

I’ve got a good idea. How bout we just stop letting in all these people. “sorry we’re full, come back next year”! Better yet, shoot to kill at the borders, how bout that! I’m sick of all the JIHADS wanting to come over here and mess with america! don’t these idiots know that everyone here just minds there own business and doesnn’t give to flips about what is going on in their country. i saw we pull outta everyone elses business around the globe and let them deal with their own problems!

Posted by: Rhet | August 8, 2006, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

I think you are blowing this story a little bit out of control. At least it looks like the folks in Bozeman have a bit better grasp on reality and what is really going on here.

Posted by: Allen | August 8, 2006, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Google this phrase
“U.S. Is Given Failing Grades By 9/11 Panel”
and you will see who is responsible for allowing our airports, borders and ports to remain unsecure nearly 5 years after the fact.
Hint – They are Americans, but not Liberal.

Posted by: Mel | August 8, 2006, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

And America has pulled another Homer…doh!
Gah! Here we go again.

Posted by: Rebecca | August 8, 2006, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

Before posting comments, I would suggest the authors actually read the article before forming ignorant, ill-formed arguments against these students entry. As one poster commented, the conservatives are in charge, so if the conservative (and obviously illiterate) posters want to condemn someone for failing to stop these students from entering the country legally, than they should blame their own conservative and defective government. Although, I really don’t see how this is conservative versus liberal issue. I see it more of a constitutional issue – anyone here heard of the Bill of Rights- something the conservatives want to give away on a silver platter. Obviously these people do not know their American history. There was a reason the bill of rights was formed. Go back and read your history texts.

Posted by: Literate Liberal | August 8, 2006, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

first place I would look would be any avation training places.

Posted by: Stinkbait | August 8, 2006, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

There are just two problems with all of this:
A. We only hear about scary stuff when they want to divert attention away from something else, e.g., the CT primaries where Joe “Kiss Me Bush” Lieberman is going to lose
B. We still do NOTHING about Saudis. Remember 15 of the hijackers were Saudi, but as long as Bush is in bed with them, we will do nothing about the real threat, Wahabiists, who come from Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: mike | August 8, 2006, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Something’s not right here. How can they have not shown up for classes that don’t begin for two more weeks? My kids are not back at college yet either. This does not add up.

Posted by: louie Bond | August 8, 2006, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

I agee with previous comments. Why don’t you people think about what is happening before freaking out that they got here illegally. THEY DIDN’T GET HER ILLEGALLY. They entered the US in a perfectly legal fashion, then became illegal when they broke the confinements of their Visas by not going to class. My gosh. Why don’t you people think before writing.

Posted by: Michelle | August 8, 2006, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

The comments that I have read make me so sad for America!!!!! The comprehension level exhibited by us, the Americans, is shameful. Thanks to all those who had the good sense to realize that these 11 Egyptians entered the country with legal visas as students, but became illegal when they did not follow the proper procedure for reporting to the university.
Now, instead complaining about the failure, let us look for solutions.
1. Pictures need to be attached to student visa information.
2. Detailed information about height, eye color, weight, etc. is needed.
3. An effective alert system should be developed. Modeled after the Amber Alert system.
This should be done for all foreigners entering the country on student visas. Not just middle eastern students.
And let us all remember that Timothy Mcviegh was an AMERICAN.
Educate yourself and those around you to help eliminate IGNORANCE!

Posted by: Ketrick | August 8, 2006, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

It is wise for people to be aware that Egypt is not so much different from other Islamic countries that harbor hatred for Americans. Terrorist come from all parts of the middle east. A little bit of self education would have taught you that. No laws were broken for them to come into this country on their visa’s. They became illegal when they did not report as needed to class or to proper authorities for check-in. Reread the article, you must have missed that.
As for being a conservative, I am. I joined the Army at seventeen and everyday I am thankful that I have a country worth fighting for. If more liberals actually physically defended this country as opposed to enjoying our freedoms without working for them then they would appreciate the serious circumstances of the situation.

Posted by: Gen | August 8, 2006, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Well, why do u guys presume they are terrorist? Ok, maybe they broke the law by not showing at school cause they were planning to become illegal immigrants like thousands do every year. Being Egyptians doesn’t make them terrorists. Nor does the fact that there are 11 of them.

Posted by: asherbini | August 8, 2006, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Here we go again ,After these guys go blowing our people and our buildings up again maybee some of these bleeding heart liberals will wake up to the truth that these people want to destroy us and our way of life.Profiling is not only acceptable its necessary to stop these people

Posted by: Joe | August 8, 2006, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Blame the liberals for letting them into the Country. Isn’t the current administration, the ones responsible for enacting laws and such to protect us Conservative?

Posted by: youKnow | August 8, 2006, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Montana State University? And what courses could those be in August? How do we know that the Bush Administration didn’t plant this as false information to make Americans think that they’re protecting us and to give Bush license to do whatever he pleases?

Posted by: nyknyk | August 8, 2006, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Why is everyone panicking? Students are notoriously lazy, maybe they stayed up partying all night and couldn’t make it to class. Why so quick to condemn? We are altogether too pananoid regarding Muslims and Arabs. Please stop the paranoid racisem.

Posted by: khadijah | August 8, 2006, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

A nationwide alert? What am I looking for…eleven Egyptians? Now THAT is racial profiling. If any American citizen is supposed to recognize these young men, then why not utilize some highly advanced technology, like eleven PHOTOGRAPHS? (My passport has a photo!)Oh, I ‘get’ it, that might give the ACLU cause for alarm/lawsuits. And many people are raising a good question…are we sure they will not show up at the University (if classes haven’t begun yet?)

Posted by: Mary | August 8, 2006, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

I just checked Montana State University’s website. Fall semester orientation doesn’t start till August 23. Classes don’t start till August 28. So, what classes did these students not show up for?

Posted by: nyknyk | August 8, 2006, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

As the article states, these were 11 students entering the US. They entered legally, but became illegal after failing to show up for class. Realisticly, there wasn’t much the government could do to prevent these young men from going AWOL short of holding their hands and leading them to class. Furthermore, as one already pointed out, Egypt does not ultimately lead to Taliban. Let’s not jump to conclusions.

Posted by: Christina | August 8, 2006, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

The Liberal person that wrote “While I agree that there could be something up, my question is, when did Egyptian equal Taliban?” will be the first person crying to the government that the government did not do enough when the next bomb goes off!!! We have to profile, middle eastern men ARE the terorists, not the grandmothers of our children. Do not tell me that you do not get nervous when a middle eastern young man with a beard gets on your plane. We have to be vigil and I appreciate the work the FBI and government is doing!

Posted by: pete | August 8, 2006, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

I’d be thinking where are the photos’s of these guys? Obviouly with Visa’s they had photo’s..Seems if you want people to be on the lookout, we need to “see” who to be on the lookout for..

Posted by: Cathe | August 8, 2006, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Sure is great to see a list of names and birth dates. That would help anyone pick them out of a crowd. How about some pictures?

Posted by: Endel | August 8, 2006, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

OMG . . . I can’t believe that there are still so many ignorant, racist and pathetic people in this country!! Yes, 11 missing men is something of concern, however – THEIR CLASSES HAVEN’T STARTED YET! And to want all middle-easterner’s to wear tracking devices – that is just ABSURD! Italians, Irish, Blacks, Asians and South Americans have all in the past been subjected to racist treatment thanx to the good ole’american WASPS! Now, the kin of these same people who encountered such hatred have become the HATERS! All middle-easterns are not threats! They have the same rights as our ancestors that came here!!

Posted by: mariya | August 8, 2006, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Please get their pictures on the air so we can see them! And keep following this story. This cannot be good.

Posted by: Diane | August 8, 2006, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Ketrick, please think about what you just said
“If more liberals actually physically defended this country as opposed to enjoying our freedoms without working for them then they would appreciate the serious circumstances of the situation.”
How did George aWol Bush and Dick Deferment Cheney defend our country? More importantly, what makes anyone think that they are qualified to protect us or lead us into battle?

Posted by: Mel | August 8, 2006, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

While I am concerned about the state of affairs at the present time, and would put nothing past the terrorists, it is unclear to me why the article states they have not shown up for their classes, however one of the people who wrote in states that their classes don’t start until the 23rd, another states the 24th…..If their classes haven’t started yet, why are they considered missing? Obviously there is more info that didn’t get put out to the public….
Neilson

Posted by: Karen Neilson | August 8, 2006, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

Now that Castro is ill President Bush want to relax the immigration rules for poor communist Cubans tring to migrate to this country. Why not.. look what we did for communist China and look what China is doing for us?

Posted by: Boyddollar | August 8, 2006, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

For the people making racist comments, I feel sorry for any friends you have that are of any minority. Do you speak like this to your own friends faces? Or do you pretend to be a decent human being and bash them & their religion/race/ behind their backs?

Posted by: Ebrahim | August 8, 2006, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Homeland Security is a broad range of departments all together. In my opionion there are too many chief’s and not enough indians. But they are doing the best job they can. So give them a break. I wish they had posted pictures of the guys…then we would know what they looked like.

Posted by: birdie1723 | August 8, 2006, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Pictures. Where are their pictures?

Posted by: mre | August 8, 2006, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

For all who are showing their patriotic fervor and demanding that someone does more to protect the U.S. against terrorists, go and enlist in the military if you’re age eligible.

Posted by: Gus | August 8, 2006, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

When I saw the story on ABC’s website I too remembered the recent statement about a group of Egyptians who have joined Al Queda.That may be a knee-jerk reaction, but I don’t want to be surprised by another 9-11 attack or explosions on public transit as those in London,Spain, etc. So who do I thank/blame for that? Is the media or our sad excuse for an administration doing their job to scare me? Stop the visas-at least for awhile. If other countries don’t understand – too bad. It’s our country. We’re taking a “timeout” to fix it. Let’s get an efficient system in place from the granting of VISAs to the security procedures at airports, ports, train stations, public venues. It is absolutely an AMERICAN issue-not liberal or conservative. If we want to save this country from going to H**l in a handbasket, insist on these things from YOUR government. The thing that has been lost for so long in this country is the innate belief that ours is a government OF the people, FOR the people, and BY the people. And if you haven’t done so recently — VOTE!

Posted by: cecily | August 8, 2006, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Ketrick:
You’re statement “Terrorist come from all parts of the middle east” is true, but not truthful. Terrorists come from all over THE WORLD my friend, including Ireland, Africa, Indonesia and many other places that are not the Middle East.
Also, does your assertion that people who “physically defended this country as opposed to enjoying our freedoms without working for them (are unable to) appreciate the serious circumstances of the situation” refer to such notable Chickenhawks as Dick Cheney and George Jr.? Just wondering…..

Posted by: Vaughan | August 8, 2006, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

For those that want to blame a “liberal” bias as a contributing factor to these eleven Egyptians need I remind them which lap dog party controls Washington, reads children’s books and ignores black and white warning memos and created the Department of Homeland Security??

Posted by: Anthony | August 8, 2006, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Finally figured out how to make the link from his homepage work – it tries to launch a popup window that wouldn’t work on my system. Here’s the link for those of us who actually like to go to the source of news rather than read the opinions of stakeholders. It explains that this isn’t a usual course for students that the Academic calendar is likely to show, and it gives some more details.

Posted by: ColoTim | August 8, 2006, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

I guess no one mentioned thinking positive that these guys will be found did they?…what else can we do?
If you pray then by all means ask for God’s help, otherwise, think positive and stop complaining.

Posted by: Angie | August 8, 2006, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

once again because of the laxness of security, innocent americans will suffer and die!!! what will be the excuse this time?

Posted by: randy hunt | August 8, 2006, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

you guys are idiots. They did not arrive illegaly. They were ony considered illegal when they did not show up for class. How was security supposed to predict that? Also, it is ludicrous to suggest that we should not let foreigners, especially those from contries who are critical of the US, to study here for security reasons. For every potential threat there are thousands of well meaning students who will learn to appreciate American culture and learning and bring that appreciation back to their own country.

Posted by: Lauren | August 8, 2006, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

I don’t care who gets offended, we need to start profiling PRECISELY because of incidents LIKE THIS. Political correctness be damned!Let’s face it, who wants to commit acts of terrorism against us? Well, let’s see, Morrocans, Eqyptians, Saudi Arabians, Syrian and god knows the list goes, but here’s the point – they’re all Middle Eastern, with names like Ahmed and Mohammad……Sorry, but it’s true.

Posted by: Concerned American | August 8, 2006, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

The article I read on CNN earlier this morning stated that the exchange students were to report 2 weeks early for English language anc American Culture classes. I guess it’s these classes the 11 missed…that’s why we should be looking for them. BTW…it WOULD be nice to see pictures of these guys.

Posted by: cedarknob | August 8, 2006, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

It is just ridiculous how conservative dimwits feel the need to blame liberals for everything.
Guess what? REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE SENATE, CONGRESS, and the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the GOVERNMENT
It’s all your fault! You have no one else to blame because you fools hold all the chips. YOUR legacy of stupidity, greed and intolerance will be a black mark on US history and will be a joke for the ages. CONGRATULATIONS!

Posted by: Tom | August 8, 2006, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Great instead of wasting time and energy in prosueing Hispanic’s we should focus on stuff like this, what do you think America?

Posted by: Silvia | August 8, 2006, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

wow…how stupid can we get? “Wait they are illegal.” Duh….

Posted by: Brent | August 8, 2006, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

I just called MSU and the Classes don’t start till 8/28/06. When will we learn

Posted by: James | August 8, 2006, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

This was not a class that stars in the regular fall schedule. It is a special program outside the regular curriculum. Thats why the 23rd or 24th of August start dat mentioned in so many of these blog comments is stupid. See the following Montana State University web page.

Posted by: Gary P. | August 8, 2006, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Just because grandma made the turkey a particular way, doesn’t mean generation after generation has to prepare the turkey the same way grandma did. Close the U.S. borders! Draw the line somewhere! Our openmindedness and liberal attitudes has put all of us legal and honest Americans at risk!

Posted by: Cami | August 8, 2006, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

They are all photographed when they arrive to the US. Why are their photos not published. Do you really think that publishing the names is helpful?

Posted by: Glen Williamson | August 8, 2006, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Do they walk like Egyptians? seriously though, could’nt you have include some pictures and such other vitals so that it may aid us in our search and vigilence? I’m on my way to the local seven eleven…see you.

Posted by: ray | August 8, 2006, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

I am a legal resident. Eventhough I have everything in order to go in and out of the country I still have to face with hoops and loops to get in the US thru inmigration. Here there are these 11 “illegal” students coming in like they are citizens. What’s going on with inmigration? crearly they have not learned the leason.

Posted by: Lopez C | August 8, 2006, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Why are we letting foreign people in here to use our schools, when Americans cannot even afford to send our kids to college here and we pay taxes.!!!!! Keep Them Out!!!!

Posted by: GG | August 8, 2006, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Go look at CBS’s story! They were to arrive last week as several others did for an eglish speaking class. Has nothing to do with Fall Semester!

Posted by: Steve | August 8, 2006, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

WHY ARE YOU GUYS BLAMING LIBERALS? The conservatives have been in control since before 9/11? Face the music.

Posted by: Tulsa | August 8, 2006, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

This is in response to the person who said that the students should have flown straight to MT. ARE YOU NUTS? Have you ever tried to fly in or out of Mt?? I live in MT, and this is how they would probably have to get here: Fly into JFK–then a 2 hour layover–then on to Houston—a 4 hour layover—-then on to Denver–a 6 hour layover because of mechanical problems–then on to Salt Lake–but you are late because of the late take off from Denver, so you have to spend the night. Then the next day, you get into MT in the afternoon. That’s what it’s like getting in or out of MT. It would be absolute heaven if we could get a straight flight for 800 miles, much less all the way from Egypt!

Posted by: Patty | August 8, 2006, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

And my granddaughter, an American citizen is not eligible for any financial aid or grants, but bring in illegal Egyptians and let them attend our schools – probably for free!

Posted by: Michelle | August 8, 2006, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

The Egyptian students no doubt came in to this country legally. If there were conditions that the students were supposed to agree to and follow after their entry into the U.S. and they failed to do so, then they are not welcome here anymore. They are not U.S. citizens so they don’t have the rights we do…plain and simple…. no matter what country they come from. The question here is are we only reporting students from certain countries and there are other students not reported AWOL? If that is the case that certainly goes against what our country stands for or at least is trying to stand for. F1 Visas from any country are supposed to be tracked down more efficiently and illegal entry in to this country is supposed to be strongly deterred. We’ve been too lax and September 11, 2001 proved it. I strongly disagree with preventing people from any country from coming in to this country for valid reasons, like business, study or vacations. Every non-U.S. citizen should be accountable for their whereabouts and let their whereabouts be known while they are in our borders. They are obligated to follow the restrictions imposed on them while in this country. If there are 11 Egyptian students AWOL then we should find them immediately regardless. They could be planning trouble or someone has or intends to bring harm to them. Maybe neither…but that doesn’t matter. We need to find them.

Posted by: Cathi | August 8, 2006, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

My concern is that if they had student visas and didn’t show up for the first class, why are they being classified as illegal if no one knows where they are? What if they were murdered, kidnapped or something else horrible went wrong?

Posted by: Duane | August 8, 2006, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

I know that everyone is concerned about the fact that these 11 Egyptian students that are missing, but we need to stop and think…. yes, they could possibly be terrorists and yet at the same time if they were supposed to transfer to a different flight they might’ve gotten on the wrong flight. We can’t assume that someone is something just because they have gone missing, we need to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I’m sure that at one point or another, regardless of whether you are an american who were in a foreign country or encountered a person with a different nationality, that you would have trouble speaking the native language. How can you communicate wit someone if you don’t know their language.
Let’s just hope that theses students aka potential terrorists are found before anything major happens. Until then I hope that someone will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Sally | August 8, 2006, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

They were here legally early to attend intensive english training according to CBSnews.com, which reported, “The other six have arrived at the Bozeman, Mont., campus for a monthlong program on English language instruction and U.S. history and culture, university spokeswoman Cathy Conover said.” at As has already been established many times, when they didn’t show up for the English courses their visas were revoked.

Posted by: MP | August 8, 2006, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

All colleges wanting tuition paying students -who happen to be from foreign countries – should be required to open branch campuses(campi)overseas. That sounds reasonable.

Posted by: Brian | August 8, 2006, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Thier classes don’t start till the 23rd!What’s wrong with a little pre-school road trip? Are we really that paranoid as a country? How do think this makes the everyday mom and pop feels back in egypt when they hear that thier kids who went to study in the U.S. , put the whole country on a security alert?while
on vacation last july in cancun,i met some egyptians-they’re just like you and me……..people.

Posted by: dahveed | August 8, 2006, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Well, they are illegal cause they never showed up to class. Hopefuly one of two things happened to them. One, they were here up to no good and some red neck good ol’boys took care of them, or two, they went to a strip club, partied their asses of and said…”who needs school, Habibi?”

Posted by: jay | August 8, 2006, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

To the person who asked if profiling is always wrong.. Your white right?

Posted by: Mandi | August 8, 2006, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

This all sounds fishy given the timing. Is this just another scare story so the administration can get our minds off how badly they have handled everything else?Are we in more danger of 11 guys from Egypt or the avian flu or a hundred other scares that have become our daily diet? there is no such thing as security so stop blaming others for what they cannot provide for you and learn to deal with things as they come.

Posted by: Mary Montgomery | August 8, 2006, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Perhaps they are just the Egyptian national volleyball team and they are engrossed in training at Sideouts Bar and Grill. Although, with four guys named Mohamed on the team it must get a little tricky directing traffic. ‘Yo Mohamed, this set is for you’ and then three guys head to the net. HAHAHAHAH!!!

Posted by: Bill | August 8, 2006, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

They were only deemed illegal when they did not report to the school, and had their visas revoked because of it. They initially arrived legally.

Posted by: Ray | August 8, 2006, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

This is my first time reading any comments posted on abcnews’ website and I have to say I am so horribly disgusted with the type of garbage you people write on here. Post after post exemplifying why America has grown to be the most hated country in the world while furthering the misconception that her citizens are stupid, arrogant, slobs. There’s so much wrong with what’s being discussed on this thread that I cannot touch upon it all: that being said, I urge all consider an appopriate reaction, what the situation actually calls for, immediate attention from the fbi and cia and NOT a blanket reform limiting students’ ability to study abroad.

Posted by: Justin | August 8, 2006, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

Tuition will have to go up at MSU if these students don’t show. I just checked the MSU website and out-of-state tuition (six courses)is almost $2,500 higher than for Montana residents. That’s how they keep tuition low.

Posted by: Bob | August 8, 2006, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

So we’ve got 11 Egyptian so called students that haven’t shown up to classes @ MSU. Why would the FBI issue an alert? If they were acually monitoring these guys and lost track of them, something must be up? Are they over-burdened or incompetant?
Either way, they’ll turn up, at the university(hopefully), or as the suspects to the next terrorist act here in the US(God forbid). Or maby even the owner of your corner gas station.

Posted by: ERNEST | August 8, 2006, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

If they are terrorists, then they Obviously have been planning this for a while. You plan long enough for something anything is possible. If your not stupid, (which they’re not, they’re educated)then it’s not hard to slip by customs, no-matter what kind of security. But our government is not stupid either, and frankly I peity their position. You try keeping a country Free, and at the very same time attempting to lock it down from tarroists. Considering the cards Bush has been given, He is doing a great Job. And He would Have My vote again. We can only hope they slip up somewhere.

Posted by: leeo | August 8, 2006, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

I just hope Mr. Ross has checked his sources closely on this one… If this is true, it’s another feather in the Bush Administration cap. Wasn’t his political theme to protect us from acts of terrorism? America and Bush are like a bad marriage that is irrevocably broken. It’s ironic that there are 11 “illegal” Muslims running the streets of NY or elsewhere. It wouldn’t surprise me that the Visas were checked by illegal Middle Easteners who are part of a sleeper cell planning to terrorize us once again. After 9/11, I would have closed our borders to all people from the middle east. It’s not racial profiling–they can’t be trusted! We have enough problems with illegal immigration as it is. People have a right to voice their concern with this because we are a nation that still is paranoid and fearful–this is what terrorism is supposed to do!

Posted by: Mark | August 8, 2006, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

My five year-old son has to take off his Superman flip-flops at the airport to go to DisneyWorld, yet we allow ELEVEN foreigners to disappear as soon as they get out the doors of JFK. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Tighe | August 8, 2006, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

Liberals? Liberals are in charge of the White House? Supreme Court? Congress? and the media? Are you a broken record?

Posted by: Julie | August 8, 2006, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

QUICK! Somebody do a cavity search on my grandmother! That’ll sove it!

Posted by: How Disappointing. | August 8, 2006, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

There is confusion amoungst many posters here. The students DID NOT enter the USA illegally. They arrived on STUDENT VISAS. They only BECAME ILLEGAL LATER ON when they failed to show up in Montana for class.

Posted by: amy | August 8, 2006, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

The anniversary of 9/11 is coming up. Middle Easterners place great emphasis on dates as timing is almost prophetic for them. The associate most issues with dates. Better be watching for something soon.

Posted by: Bill | August 8, 2006, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

To those saying they’d be willing to give up personal freedoms in the name of terrorism prevention, I present to you the words of a very wise man:
“Those who would give up essential freedoms for security, deserve neither freedom nor security.” – Benjamin Franklin
Unfortunately, he was one of the last of this country’s leadership class who truly had the best interest of the people in mind.
But go ahead and live in fear of those monsters in the woods, those “terrorists”. I’m sure you’ll all be first in line for the microchip implants in your right hands or foreheads too, all in the name of “security”.

Posted by: vEE | August 8, 2006, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Well, well, well, liberals, conservatives, its all a bunch of kindergarten squabbling to me, blue versus green; Perhaps we get more childish with age or maybe its just the us versus them mentality we grow up submerged in; “My team is so much better than your team because we’re from Anytown and you’re from Nowherville”. I’m not sick of it nor am I amused, its just so simple minded. There are examples of crazy decisions made by Republicans and Democrats all throughout history, like the sale of missile technology to China, etc… Finger pointing is so lame, personally I wouldn’t want to claim to be a liberal or a conservative, its so “closed and simple” (nothing a good diuretic couldn’t cure)….
But just so I stay on topic here is the simple solution: If these people are “hard-core muslim fundamental terrorists” then they should be easy to find. All we need to do is have law enforcement check all the Topless/Nudey-bars and you’ll find the culprits in no time flat!

Posted by: solarsails | August 8, 2006, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

When colleges and universities don’t get all the money they need, they have to have foreign-born, full-tuition-paying students to help pay the rent. It’s a fact of life at big universities. Be glad a mechanism is in place to report this stuff. It surely seems suspicious, especially with the anniversary coming up…

Posted by: KJ | August 8, 2006, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Hey you all that want to blame the Democrates for this latest screwup with security, well who is in charge in the Country, remember its the Republicans and boy are they screwing up everything!

Posted by: Elizabeth | August 8, 2006, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

A lot of you have asked why or how this immigration breach could have happened. Foreigners have most always been big $$ for this country whether it is laborers, students (who pay full tuition), tourists or professionals. As soon as foreigners become a financial liability, real immigration walls will go up. It has happened before from the 1930s to the 1960s due to the Depression and to prevent a relapse into an economic depression after WWII. If the missing students end up causing major mischief here, prepare for a major lifestyle change here in the US, especially those foreign-born.

Posted by: steve b | August 8, 2006, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

CHILL OUT, THEY MUST BE HAVING A FALL BREAK….IT’S A CUSTOM IN EGYPT…
BTW,. TELL THEM NEFERTITI’S TOMB HAS BEEN FOUND, THEY MIGHT SHOW UP.

Posted by: FallBreak | August 8, 2006, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

I,m like Nancy Kerrigan now. WHY? Why? Why? What did we as Americans do? Guess? Guess? Guess?

Posted by: Edie | August 8, 2006, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

For those who cannot understand why these 11 students were not arrested at customs. They were here legally until they failed to show up for classes…duh!!!

Posted by: Lisa | August 8, 2006, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Just another security screw up that lets us know the current leadership in Washington needs to go ASAP. Now lets hear what right wing propaganda they produce to silence this one. All Americans should be outraged that this can happen this day in time.

Posted by: KW | August 8, 2006, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

Hey you all that want to blame the Democrates for this latest screwup with security, well who is in charge in the Country, remember its the Republicans and boy are they screwing up everything!

Posted by: Elizabeth | August 8, 2006, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

I have a feeling there will be more “fear” stories coming out around election time, in order to boost Republican turnout.
This particular story is alarming. At least people will be on the lookout for these Egyptians. We’ll have to see some photos first.

Posted by: Reason | August 8, 2006, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

After reading the previous comments, let’s stop to think. The students entered with visas that allow them time here before classes begin in late August. All this “conservative vs liberal” stuff, “Annie grab your guns” stuff, beat down Homeland Security stuff, etc -is just a way the news media is getting your attention. The news media wants to be the “first” to report these stories whether it is fact or fictitious; media is ruffling your feathers and just wanting your attention. Know the facts before you start handing out guns and bad-mouthing.

Posted by: Linda | August 8, 2006, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

I really think the Disney characters from the theme park could do a better job at protecting our country….NICE GOING STUPID! I didn’t vote for the idiot but my family, as a matter of fact the WHOLE damn country, and I have been paying for it since! He’s going to get us wiped of the map!!

Posted by: Kimberly | August 8, 2006, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

They were not here illegally until they failed to show up to school. They are here on a student visa which requires them to go to school.

Posted by: Amy | August 8, 2006, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

They are only “illegal” because they failed to show up for classes at the university. The F1 visa allows for students to come over and study. They most likely had valid F1 Visa’s but when they failed to report to the University they were reported as MIA. Its at that point they become illegal. All universitys are required to track students coming to their facilities. They also report if these kids fail to attend classes. Montana State should be thanked for monitoring and reporting this. Prior to 911 it was not required at all.

Posted by: Leah | August 8, 2006, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Oh get over it – this is just another one of George’s attempts to get the U.S. to live in fear so his ratings will improve. Stop being so suspicious everyone and for pete’s sake quit listening to all this hyped up garbage from the mainstream media, which is edited by the Bush administration. Fox News is run by Bush’s cousin…I don’t doubt the rest of the news networks have their close connections as well. Let’s see, a bunch of Egyptian college students. My guess is they’re off partying & picking up girls in some bar in Montana…
be happy everyone and don’t fall for Bush’s attempts to live in fear so he will remain King.

Posted by: EE | August 8, 2006, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

The problem is aliens coming across on supposedly legitimate business and then disappearing for who knows what reasons. The solution is very simple: band them for tracking. There are two common ways, at least, of doing these. Criminals under house arrest have ankle cuffs with tracking devices. They cannot be easily removed. And I’m sure we could make them even harder to remove. Another approach is to use RFID devices. Small and cheap, as well as very effective. For more info on these, web-search on RFID and WalMart, who has been a leading proponent of these. There were many popular press articles on these a year or two ago.
How to pay for this? Also simple, the person to wear these would pay. No different from those who fly having to pay airport fees. Anyone wanting in here has to come up with funds anyway.
Even if taxpayers wind up paying for all this, it’ll be cheaper than what the FBI will probably have to spend to find these 11.
A violation of their civil rights? Not if they agree to it! If they don’t, no admittance. No worse than a EULA for M$ software! Besides, if they do turn out to be terrorists, everyone’s civil rights will be severely violated by them. Not to mention by the further government intrusion into OUR lives afterwards.
A different approach: Anyone entering on a VISA (includes work permits and/or student) would have to have a sponsor stateside, who would post a sizable surety deposit. This sponsor would have to have a permanent physical address, such as an owned business. If there sponsoree violates ANY law (civil, criminal, immigration), the surety would be forfeit, and the sponsor could not sponsor anyone else. Should make them VERY careful about whom they sponsor!
I’m sure these ideas, or any better, will go nowhere, because of the continued incompetence of our government, whether it be elected, appointed, or simply hired bureaucrats, Dems or Repubs, it doesn’t make any difference.

Posted by: Elrod | August 8, 2006, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

You got it correct when you said… Our government isn’t stupid… Instead, they pry on stupid people. I think it is amazing our country was attacked by a one country and convinced stupid America that it was another country that did the attack. Now I assume it is these 11 people that are missing that were the cause of 9/11

Posted by: Duane | August 8, 2006, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

English & Academic Skills summer program. July 30 – August 26. Montana State University.
Read before speculating and commenting.

Posted by: Peahen | August 8, 2006, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Based on the story, these guys would only be deemed illegal if they fail to show up after classes start. But classes haven’t started, so they’ve done nothing. Anybody out there ever seen “The Oxbow Incident”?
This is an ugly lynch mob; shame on ABC for engendering this with half-researched sensationalism. I’m done reading this URL.

Posted by: Sage Thrasher | August 8, 2006, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

It is extremely amazing how a lot of people complain about insecurity but do not know the workings of the system. Is it just fear of the unknown that implicates the thought processing of some of those with comments…….firstly, the students who entered into the states were legal students with F-1 visas except that they became illegal immediately after they refused to show up at their schools. Their illegality did not start at the gates of the airport neither are the customs workers to be blamed………also, the F-1 visa money does not go into the coffers of the school admitting international students but into the accounts for thorough running of the visa system which has made it possible for everyone now to know that these students did not report to their school as they are legally bound.
Powers to commit evil does not belong to already or potential terrorists…..they do not have the powers until we start screaming blue-black when there is a slight problem somewhere…. all we need is the good will and ability to take seriously our security but ignore their stupid utterances and threats till they become irrelevant in their oblivion.

Posted by: BB | August 8, 2006, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

stop the paranoia

Posted by: shmuk | August 8, 2006, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Universities HAVE to have these foreign students because they pay the full tuition rate; they are cash cows for them! If universites were given more $$ they wouldn’t have to take these students out of financial need. I like the bond idea, also. You’ll be able to tell if it’s just Bush fear-mongering or a real story if it showed up on Fox News first.

Posted by: KJ | August 8, 2006, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Why the hell are 11 Egyptians going to attend Montana State? I am sure no questions were asked? The problem is the government just processes transactions and is too concerned with risk pools and risk levels instead of actually analyzing or thinking about anything. It must be great having a job with no accountability.

Posted by: Ben | August 8, 2006, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

To Pete who wrote:”Do not tell me that you do not get nervous when a middle eastern young man with a beard gets on your plane.” I would be more suspicous of a middle eastern man who was clean-shaven. Islamic terrorists on a suicide mission are typically instructed to be clean shaven before becoming a martyr for Allah. To Ketrick, I consider myself a liberal, and I too, took an oath to “support and Defend the Constitution Of the United States”. Your stereo-typing of liberals is just as insulting as the stereo-typing of all middle-eastern men as terrorist. Paranoia is a tool of Satan, we all need to be careful not to let Satan’s tricks and lies cloud our lives. Jesus taught us to love one another unconditionally. He paid and enormous price for that teaching, but He has shown us how to live. “Love the lord with all your heart and soul and mind. Love others as you love yourself”.
If we follow His teachings and bad things happen, we still go to Heaven. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be striving for?

Posted by: Mike | August 8, 2006, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

To Patty, who’s granddaughter can’t afford to go to college, there is such a thing as financial aid, which your granddaughter is eligible for because she is a US citizen. Secondly, read the article about the situation in the Bozeman newspaper. Not only are they paying tuition for their studies in Egypt, they had to pay $2000 each for the program. So no, they are not here for a “free ride.” And no, MSU will not have to raise their “out of state” tuition to cover the cost. All colleges have “in state” and “out of state tuition” and this program has nothing to do with tuition. An exchange program (which every college has) is a great way for others to educate themselves about other people and cultures. As a former Bozeman resident and MSU student, I would take foreign exchange students any day over half of you who have left messages on this board.

Posted by: Jane | August 8, 2006, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

I agree with Cecily. There just seems to be no reason or logic behind not immediately closing our borders. This should have been done right after 9/11. It is our country and our business. Whose feelings are we afraid or hurting? Give me a break. There has to be more you are not telling us right now. It makes no sense if class has not started yet they are considered missing and their visa’s revoked. I could just scream but who would listen or care for that matter?

Posted by: Diane | August 8, 2006, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

We called people who were subversive 50 years ago communists because that’s what they were and still are. They are now in control of the democrat (communist ) party. The republicans are now the dems. So, we have the socialist lights and the hard core coummunists in control of the USA. If we backed Joe McCarthy when we need to many years ago we would have a much saner society and much less communism here trying to ruin this once great nation. Both major parties are doing their best to destroy our way of life. There is no such thing as Homeland security because cummunists and socialist love to keep the people stired up and off balance.

Posted by: JO | August 8, 2006, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

They were scheduled to attend classes at the University according to the PDF attached to the story. These classes were not part of the regular class schedule. So they failed to show up and they are now wanted.

Posted by: Amy | August 8, 2006, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Oops – time to start scaring us again Bush; after all, those November elections are coming up. Remember all the terror threats before the 2004 elections; notice how there haven’t been any since???

Posted by: Tibbs | August 8, 2006, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Maybe if we got a snake charmer to blow his whistle we could find them?

Posted by: Neil | August 8, 2006, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Maybe they are here for the next 9/11. Its the type of thing that if the govt didnt do anything you same people now complaining, would complain the govt didnt do enough. Its an odd event that 11 possible Muslims, all on Visas, all from Egypt AND to the same small midwest school decided to not show up. This is exactly what the govt should be doing.
And you people who say profiling is wrong are not thinking. Profiling is exactly what weve needed to do from the beginning. If, by far, the majority of the people you are looking for fit within a subset group, you focus on that group. Any law enforcement group will tell you that.

Posted by: Dave | August 8, 2006, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

so much for security. How could this have happened in a post 911 U.S.? We need to protect americas borders and americas people.

Posted by: wierat | August 8, 2006, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

On August 8 Anna posted a comment that said “quit blaming liberals for allowing potential terror threats into the country”. Then she complained that we should be doing racial profiling. Well, that’s a lib for you – Anna, who do you think is against racial profiling? That’s right koolaid drinker — LIBS!!! You Libs can’t even be consistent in a one paragraph comment! Good grief!

Posted by: rosanne mayo | August 8, 2006, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

We’ve come so far in five years. American citizens get hassled all of the time. Little children get frisked at the airport, but 11 Egyptians can just waltz right on in and disappear. This is a disgrace…

Posted by: DSimon | August 8, 2006, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Has anyone wondered why 11 men ages 18-22 arrived in New York to go to Montana University? They’re on opposite sides of the country! Montana has international airports. Even LAX is closer. Even IF that made sense, shouldn’t homeland security make certain a young person from ANY country have a ticket to Montana to validate that visa AND be monitored until they get there? Any person here on a legal, temporary visa should be monitored to assure they are doing the activity they got special permission to do. Heads up people! Pay attention! We have more right to safe families than these people have rights to disappear in our country-let’s not forget that.

Posted by: Lyn Canon | August 8, 2006, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Why would they just dissapear like that and cause such panic? If they were wise they would have stuck with school.

Posted by: jj | August 8, 2006, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

There are an infinite number of loopholes that will allow someone to sneak into the US. How can we expect Homeland Security to plug ALL the holes? Now, here is one that has been exposed … let’s require anyone on a student visa to be escorted to his school from the port of entry. Now, who’s going to watch them after that? Should their whereabouts be monitored 24-7? I would like to know what the other 6 students are saying about what happened to their peers. I agree that the FBI should have published their pictures by now … they are probably scattered among 11 different states.

Posted by: Stop N Think | August 8, 2006, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Wow, some of you people really scare me.

Posted by: Scared | August 8, 2006, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

Isn’t that great! The 1st clue that they were here for something other then educations was 11 Egyptians going to the University Of Montana.Oh please, nothing against that university but they could have picked a more obvious choice like the University Of Hezbilah!!

Posted by: Kevin | August 8, 2006, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

Good point about the ‘convenient’ terror threats now that it’s election time again. Anyone, truly anyone, who has not figured out that Republicans just follow the money not the morality even though they so emptily profess the opposite is simply not paying attention and getting informed on the facts. Actions say it all, and truly God help us if another Republican gets elected. Our Country may not survive it. Vote for truth.

Posted by: Lyn Canon | August 8, 2006, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

Now I remember why I bought Nuclear Biological and Chemical masks,NBC suits,NBC gloves,NBC boots’ NBC survival books,Geiger counter , dosimeters and chemical biological test kits for !

Posted by: Jeff | August 8, 2006, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

I have been reading all these comments posted,and all I have to say is this,,, If this is such a “real” threat?, then why don’t homeland security/F.B.I., or some law agency in charge just post a alert like they do for peopel wanted for questioning in crime cases.. a “person(s)-of-intrest”?? And alert ALL the NEWS media stations with pictures of these missing men(studenst)?? Wouldn’t that put to rest all these posted opinions/concerns/objections? How hard/easy is that to do? If it’s for real,let it out in the open this time?!!,,,, (budman/Ken)

Posted by: Budman(Ken) | August 8, 2006, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

let’s evaluate this: 11 men, roughly the same age, arrive on the SAME day, going to the SAME school …without even scratching the surface that sends RED flags up…and just for good measure…why are we letting foreigners take the spots of OUR kids that need the education anyway? (oh, stupid me…$$$)

Posted by: db | August 8, 2006, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

How about showing pictures of these men so we can look for them??

Posted by: Steve | August 8, 2006, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Why is the United States letting anybody from the Middle East in the country? We are in WW III.
Stop playing the game “politically correct”. We are in a war.

Posted by: Heike | August 8, 2006, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

To the people asking why they were let in “illegally” in the first place. They weren’t illegal until they didn’t show up for their classes. Duh.

Posted by: Wendy | August 8, 2006, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

I Feel sorry for any one who is an Egyptian living in America. The HUNT is on!

Posted by: MWEST | August 8, 2006, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

And it just so happens that in the last Al Qaeda videotape, the #2 Al Zawahari stated a new affiliation with a Egyptian militant organization. Coincidence? Well, I for one don’t believe in coincidences.
What is the real plan here….
To cause a schizm between moderate Sunni Arab states (i.e. Egypt) and the US by having Egyptian militants orchestrate the next terror attack (similar to why they chose Saudi nationals to carry out the 9/11 attacks). Al Qaeda is attempting to continue its expansion into the African continent.
I urge my fellow Americans to keep their guard up and their eyes peeled for suspician activity. Now is the time to raise the terror alert level.

Posted by: mj wheeler | August 8, 2006, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

and,,,one more thing i forgot to mention in my earlier comment. How did the authorities assume/persume these 11 missing people are located somewhere on the “eastern” seaboard?? Just because they deported from an airplane on the East coast? wasnt that many days ago?? come’on now??? is the “east-coast” the ONLY important terror threat in this country???,,, thank you!! Ken(Budman)

Posted by: Ken(Budman) | August 8, 2006, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

As much as I think the Bushies are a bunch of goofy, idealogical boobs, they can’t be blamed for airing this warning. Why don’t all you blowhards stop pointing fingers at the other side?

Posted by: Eric Schuurman | August 8, 2006, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

Does anyone know what they were here to study in MONTANA ? With names all starting with Mohamed I would suspect they are here for the many jobs that our kids don’t want to do like lawn mowing.

Posted by: BRIAN | August 8, 2006, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

Yup, adding their pictures to the news (newspaper and tv) should be the next right thing to do. They entered legally but turned into illegals since they didn’t show their ass up in school on time. It should be an active massive man-hunt! Well, men-hunt! Instead of bickering over why it happened, throw in some ideas guys! Precations follow, ofcourse…

Posted by: Thinker | August 8, 2006, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

If all these people had viagra, then we would of stopped them at the airport for sure.

Posted by: Ben | August 8, 2006, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Nah – this is just the Rove Scare Wagon getting into election swing.

Posted by: Joey Iske | August 8, 2006, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

um…if anyone actually read the PDF that accompanied the news article they will see that the 11 were part of a group of 20… 3 were denied visas ahead of time, 6 reported as expected for their english classes(scheduled BEFORE the semester begins), and the other 11 were no-shows. It is quite possible that the 11 were already fluent in english and decided to enjoy a tourist season before the real semester started–opting out of the “intro” courses. Still, it would be responsible on their part to check in with authorities (or at least tell their compatriots on the plane) that they were planning on doing this. Heck, if I were doing the same in Egypt and knew the language well I might play hookie and visit the Great Pyramids etc… but I’d still let others know that these were my plans.

Posted by: MDH | August 8, 2006, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Remeber the last message from Bin Laden’s #2 – in the background were pictures of Egyptian martyrs.
Was that a message?

Posted by: Deborah | August 8, 2006, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Regarding the posts on the date August 23, if you read the original FBI bulletin (linked on abcnews), they were here on a special language exchange program with classes starting July 30, so they are indeed “late.” Once they didn’t show up for class, that is when they became “illegal.” Also, there were 6 other Egyptians on the same flight as part of the same program who showed up to the classes as required by their visas. This is all in the FBI bulletin.
On an unrelated, personal opinion note, I’m a conservative but find all this bashing of liberals irresponsible and stupid. It is, in fact, our conservative leaders that control Congress and the Executive brach, and it is they who need to shape up. I for one, am growing tired of all those I helped elect and as it turns out haven’t really done much to make me safer.

Posted by: Jaylin | August 8, 2006, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

They are here illegaly NOW but they did not COME here illegaly. They came here with a student visa, which means the purpose of their visa is to go to school. They entered the US legally, but their status BECAME illegal once they failed to show up for school.

Posted by: Alejandro | August 8, 2006, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

To Eric Schuurman…I really hope you are not from Montana. Why were they going to Montana you ask…ON AN EXCHANGE PROGRAM to learn about other cultures and see a place that is beautiful, spacious, and unlike any other place. Also….my brother, who was born and raised in Montana, mows lawns for a summer job. Not all laborers are from other countries, and so what if they are! I can’t believe all the narrow minded people out there.

Posted by: Jane | August 8, 2006, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

Maybe thay just decided to change schools once they got here.
Maybe they decided to go to a school for flying lessons…

Posted by: Jim | August 8, 2006, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

CLASSES AT MONTANA STATE UNIVERSITY DON’T BEGIN UNTIL AUGUST 28TH. My guess is that they are touring like most foreigners that come to the United States. If we were so concerned about students coming to America and disappearing before class, don’t issue the Visa’s until the week before. And just because they are from Egypt, don’t mean that they are muslim terrorist. They could be regular Christians. You do realize there are Christians in other countries.

Posted by: Sidney Shands | August 8, 2006, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

It’s amazing some comments from left minded people, prfile etc. wake-up it’s post 9/11, until blonde hair blue eyed terrorists start killing Americans by chopping their heads off w/a pocket knife, I want profiling done in this country !!!

Posted by: John Cooper | August 8, 2006, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

I must admit that I did not read every single one of my fellow commenters’ comments above me. I did read many of them. However, in none of the ones that I read, did anyone give even the possibility that the young men have disappeared merely because they came to America to have fun. If that is true, then yes, it may have been wrong of them to lie and say they came to America to study, but they are doing no harm. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. We are all humans here and all make mistakes. We also all have another major thing in common: we are all citizens of the Earth. Perhaps one day- when we all realize that money is a silly made-up invention created specifically to divide the world, when we all realize that countries are silly ways of dividing the earth God gave us all, and when we all realize that there is a greater need for caring for one another and for the Earth than there is a need for traveling in space or creating nuclear missiles- there will be peace amongst us all and no need for armies. We can all once again thrive by being part of a Jeffersonian Earth (farmers).

Posted by: Kate | August 8, 2006, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Maybe thay just decided to change schools once they got here.
Maybe they decided to go to a school for flying lessons…

Posted by: Jim | August 8, 2006, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Amazing how people can’t read and immediately turn it into a liberal vs neocon issue. Think about it, they’re college kids in New York. What do you think they’re doing? Not running off to remote Montana. Check the bars in NYC before we get too stressed out.

Posted by: Jim | August 8, 2006, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

“They are here illegally?” Is it possible that this phrase from the authorities simply means that they are now considered here illegally because they did not show up for classes in Montana? The vitriolic and rather inane diatribes I’ve been reading in response to this article suggest that people are ready to go off half-cocked without taking the time to examine the facts. Sure, these students might actually be here for classes OR maybe for terrorist purposes. However, I find it hard to believe that all 11 would come through about the same time through the same airport (I’m not even sure this is a known fact) if they did not want to draw attention to themselves. As for those who promote the use of racial profiling, just remember that it’s SOOOO much easier to pick people out based on what they look like rather than by the intent in their minds and hearts. Give it a try; it’s not going to get you much results. . . unless, of course, you just want to hassle some brown people. In the mean time, let cooler heads prevail, for God’s sake.

Posted by: Jack | August 8, 2006, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

yes, their classes HAVE started. If you read the FBI bulletin it states:
ATTEND AN ENGLISH AND ACADEMICS SKILLS PROGRAM AT AN IDENTIFIED U.S. UNIVERSITY IN MONTANA, FROM 30 JULY 2006 TO 26 AUGUST 2006, FAILED TO REPORT AFTER ENTERING THE UNITED STATES.

Posted by: jr | August 8, 2006, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

I don’t read this as ‘they are here illegally’. They were admitted into the country on student visa’s…..perfectly legal. We need a better way of vetting people coming into the country before they get here.

Posted by: Dave | August 8, 2006, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Egyptian does not automatically equate to Al Qaeda or Taliban; however, the Muslim Brotherhood is a product ofEgypt and is the predecesor of Hamas; therefore, eleven missing Egyptian males, the general age of suicide bombers, all arriving at the same time and missing at the same time, should be a significant red flag.

Posted by: Ken Lord | August 8, 2006, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

Why Montana Universities? Not every international student is looking to study in SF, LA, or NYC. Another reason many come to MT is for the engineering programs specifically related to natural resource developement & well as for a culture experience. ie Petroleum/Chemical Engineering.
Why did they come so early? Most international students come to the school early to get settled (remember they can only bring 75lbs of luggage) and most have manditory classes/trainiing for international students to attend.
Why did the come via JFK? if you’ve ever attempted to fly to MT you know that it is served by only a few airlines with limited service. Also it is much easier to fly into JFK from Egypt then travel around the globe to LAX then MT. MT does have International Airports with International meaning if anything to Canada.
Visas- the US and Chinese are probably the toughest Immigration Officers in the world. These students were here legally until they went AWOL. It is scary to think of those people who don’t want J1 visas anymore, do they not want their childern to have an international experience without leaving the country?

Posted by: bradmt | August 8, 2006, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Unfortunately it will take another catastrophic attack or several to shock us into unity. During WWII the government censored out reports of U-Boat attacks off of the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico to prevent panic. These egyptians will likely be caught in the next few days. It will be another case of conservative racism. More fodder for the Jihadis. Folks its gonna get a whole lot worse.

Posted by: Clint Harman | August 8, 2006, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

This is actually the system working!! As pointed out, these men entered legally. When they did not report to the school on time, the school used a Department of Homeland Security system to determine that the students had entered the country. The school officials properly updated the system to indicate that the students did not show up. ICE and the FBI properly started looking for the them because they did NOT SHOW UP.

Posted by: Ginger Goodrich | August 8, 2006, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

There was a total to 17 students for a month long program at Montana State University. Six of them showed up for the course!

Posted by: TRAVIS | August 8, 2006, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

THINK people–they came in on LEGAL visas but when they didn’t show up at the University they became ILLEGAL. Of course they are here for terror. Just be preapred to take care of yourself and your family for months, not a few days. The Gvt. can’t take care of everyone. Be responsible.

Posted by: nana | August 8, 2006, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Everyone needs to see this video by honestreporting.com . The DVD can be ordered but it is split into 9 parts on youtube.com . This documentary speaks of Radical Islam and how serious of an issue it is.

Posted by: Tim | August 8, 2006, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

Is everyone reading this article stupid?? These
students entered the USA LEGALLY. They only became illegal when they didn’t fulfill the obligations of a student visa, i.e., showing up at the school. This is one case where the system worked exactly as it should have.

Posted by: -ed | August 8, 2006, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

Eric…sorry, I read the wrong name. My frustrations were meant for Brian. I apologize.

Posted by: Jane | August 8, 2006, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

For some reason the youtube link got stripped out. Anyways, in case the link doesn’t make it through again. Search for it on youtube. The title is (1of9) Obsession: Radical Islam’s War… and of course, the same name for the other parts, except for the count. It’s well worth the viewing.

Posted by: Tim | August 8, 2006, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Where are the pix???

Posted by: Ricky | August 8, 2006, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Cut the authorities some slack! They probably figured this was the
starting 11 for the Egyptian football team.

Posted by: Sam Harrison | August 8, 2006, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

I posted a comment earlier — I guess I didn’t realize that they weren’t illegal until later. I apologize for slamming our Homeland Defense Systems. What I am confused about though, is why everyone is making this a liberal vs. conservative issue? Silly, if you ask me. My only concern here is…is anyone’s life in danger because these 11 Eygptians are missing? They are not lost! Well, wait…maybe they are! Are they all men who were afraid of asking directions? Come on folks, they are not lost! They are up to no good. Anyone that defends them or who cannot see it for what it really is, just wants to argue about rights? Since when did non-residents have rights anyway? The Bill of Rights is for the people of the United States. One more thing before I get off of my soap box, I don’t think it is profiling if the US is looking for 11 Eygptians — they wouldn’t be looking for 11 caucasians or 11 Mexicans — they are specifically looking for 11 men of a certain descent. If they have to root through the whole Eygptian community to find them, that is not profiling, that is protecting those of us that call this land our home. If you consider it profiling, well then that’s your right. (but get a clue & be safe)

Posted by: Jan | August 8, 2006, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Machelle says…..
“This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. Please stop claiming that liberals are the problem with allowing potential terror threats into the country.
The issue comes down to the ridiculousness of not using racial profiling.”
Well, my dear, who invented the “no racial profiling” garbage? THE LIBERALS of our country. So, it is a liberal, conservative issue. ACLU, a group of anti-american, anti-war,anti-military, unpatriotic bastards who are trying to get our country destroyed are the problem. bill clinton, A LIBERAL, is responsible for eight years of turning the other cheek to avoid a confrontation. He was only interested in where and when his next blowjob would occur. The democratic party of today, the sixties flower children, are now in control of that outfit and this war is between them, al Qaeda, the media, hollywood, Hezbollah and the Republican party.

Posted by: gino | August 8, 2006, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

Shriek! Shriek! We’re all gonna die! Shriek! Shriek!
I hope they don’t blow up a toilet paper factory. That would really be hitting us where we live.
I just looked around the house and I don’t see any Egyptians here.
Maybe they got kidnapped by a mass murderer/serial killer and their bloated, fly-blown, rotting, stinking bodies will turn up along the Interstate.
News at Eleven.

Posted by: jimmy williams | August 8, 2006, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Bush has to follow the law. The libs are the ones who are wacked about many things like allowing the student visas to continue allowing muslims in. The libs are the ones who have a problem with racial profiling. The libs are the ones who are holding the door open to allow the murderers in. Oh yeah, and Bush hasn’t shut our borders down yet which is just as bad. Bush is just too much of a lib.

Posted by: Jeff | August 8, 2006, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Okay, honestly these people are not terrorsists. What they are are FOBS (fresh off the boat). And basically to them a visa is a visa…they don’t really pay attention to the minute detail that if they failed to study they would be ILLEGAL. Their visas are legit–and the poor students payed a leg and arm to get them, but i guess they lost thier opportunity because of their ignorance. Oh well, that’s why it pays to learn english.

Posted by: Shaneequa | August 8, 2006, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

WELL,WELL, ITHINK THE AVERAGE JOE AND MARY COULD WRITE OUR LAWS AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON THE HILL. I’M TALKING CONGRESS,PRESIDENT,FBI,CIA AND THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, SEC.OF STATE, DUMB,DUMBER AND DUMBIST. ANYONE WITH ANY BRAINS AT ALL WOULD HAVE FROZEN OUR BORDERS AND NOT ALLOWED ANY ONE OR AT LEAST NO MORE OF OUR ENEMIES INTO THIS COUNTRY. ENEMIES???? YOU SAY. YES, IT IS FOR SURE OUR FRIENDS HAVEN’T AND DIDN’T BOMB OUR SHIP,EMBASSIES AND WORLD TRADE CENTER TWICE.

Posted by: ROSE | August 8, 2006, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Approach with caution hmmmm. They probably slipped away while airport security was frisking someone’s grandma.
Gee, the government is demanding I RFID chip and GPS my critters to keep America safe from my terrorist turkeys, and kamakazi cows. Maybe they should focus on humans from Muslim nations.

Posted by: eileen | August 8, 2006, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Did ABC News contact the families? If so, what was the result of those conversations? Why was this story reported as “11 potential terrorists are running free in the US”, instead of “11 Egyptian families are very worried about their children”? Did any of the eleven families contact the state department?
Would this story actually gain any notoriety if it wasn’t for the fact that these eleven students were of Arab birth? Would this story make the news if these were eleven Canadian students?

Posted by: Ian | August 8, 2006, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Most of you people posting here are not reading the article and understanding that these kids came to the US to do an exchange program. You also forget that these are young kids, and to automatically assume that they are terrorists is stupid. Yeah, the US needs to keep an eye on people from other countries coming here. But I think these kids just wanted to have fun….sure it was a mistake, but have any of you been 18 years old and made a mistake in judgement?

Posted by: Patty | August 8, 2006, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

When 9-11 came along, Congress and aothers said, “We had no idea!”
If another 9-11 takes place, the politicians will have absolutely no excuse for why they didn’t close the borders all these years later.

Posted by: Joe | August 8, 2006, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

TAKE A DEEP BREATH!!! Now read the article.
The students didnt show. For what?? classes or registation for classes?
Students have to register prior to attending classes and get their books, find their accomidations and settle in before classes begin.these factors may have been missed due to the ignorance of the author of this piece. Yes there are no pictures of the subjects..is this due to ABC or the GOVT. not wanting people to beat the snot out of possible innocents.
Both political parties are at fault here, the Republicans for their refusal to seal the borders, all borders and the Democrats for their insistance that profiling not be used. Its up to all Citizens to be aware of things going on around them, watch for unusual things not just race or culture. Remember the california kid..american born and bred who is Osama’s right hand man??.Our objective should be to keep our eyes open and report strange and unusual things to the proper authorities..real terrorists are train to kill and maim without remorse and IF you are not trained to respond, you will make matters worse.
Please, people think!!use common sense, and dont let emotion , hatred, and political bias turn what should be rational thought into irrational behavior.

Posted by: R.C. | August 8, 2006, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

I would bet they are hiding in a gay bath house, out of their skulls on weed and cheap wine

Posted by: lew | August 8, 2006, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

I think we need to realize, terrorists, Jihadist, Islamofacists are here. We will eventually be hit again and I believe we will not recover as a nation. If we think Hurricane Katrina was bad (response time) how much more are we in danger.
No one in Homeland Security or the Goverment is paying close enough attention to what is going on, they are still trying to convince themself that there will be peace. We need to put our trust in God, the One that is on our money and trust Him. He is the only one that is in control. He raises up kings and takes them down, He changes the times and seasons.

Posted by: BNunez | August 8, 2006, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

I think an important factor here is that these missing students were from Mansoura University in Mansoura, Egypt.
Al-Mansoura u. is the center for a very rabid Muslim Brotherhood group.
The Muslim Brotherhood wants to turn Egypt into an Islamic apartheid state ruled by Shari’a law.
Whomever thinks that these are just a bunch of fun lovin kids who want to party in the USA is out touch with reality.

Posted by: copperplum | August 8, 2006, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

I bet the exchange students had an orientation, to get them more familiar with the good ol’ American life before actual classes started. Probably it was the orientation that they missed, didn’t get checked in properly, and U of M is on alert because they didn’t show up. OF COURSE they aren’t going to show up with the regular American students. Before would make the most sense. Stupid of them to botch their chances (the Egyptians). I’m getting as suspicious as the rest of you.

Posted by: MBB | August 8, 2006, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

I live in Bozeman – home of Montana State University. The students entered this country LEGALLY! We have a huge, gaping hole in our ‘homeland security’ – it’s called STUDENT VISAS. I live near MSU, and I’ve noticed a large number of MUSLIM / Arab students on campus due to MSU’s robust exchange program the past couple of years-especially this year. Why should we be alarmed?? Because several of the 9-11 attackers were here on STUDENT VISAS!!!!!!

Posted by: ronaldo | August 8, 2006, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

I just don’t understand why our borders aren’t protected. I THINK THAT IN THE NAME OF MORE CHEAP LABORORS OUR BORDERS ARE LEFT OPEN. We will pay for these intrusions. I for one will probably not vote this election because what is the use. Tax cuts to raise federal revenue but spent without closing our borders.

Posted by: nick | August 8, 2006, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

Egypt and the dozens of other Muslim nations are closed societies and also dictatorships.
Their children are taught to hate non-Mulsims from birth up. So to naively think they’re just ‘kids’ having fun, is the epitome of stupidity in my mind. All 19 were Arab and all 19 were Muslim…Hello? The handwriting is on the wall, yet few read it – especially the liberal sympathetic bleeding heart libs.

Posted by: Sharon | August 8, 2006, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

During any major war there has always been a form of profiling as well as a brief deminish of civil rights. It would be ignorant to think this war on Muslim or arab profiling would be wrong. The enemy is as aparent as the Chinese as well as the Japanese. regretably we as a nation are to proud to realize we have forsaken every G-d given principle the good Lord has given us and has allowed such insanity to Continue. I am sure when David killed the Philistines the profiling of Philistines was obvious. But frankly the good Lord is about to bring a reckoning to his Church as well as this nation and whether it be by the sons of Ishmael or another natural disaster like Katrina then praise G-d for chastizing us to repentence. Then and only then will we win this war. GBU

Posted by: Paul Pharez | August 8, 2006, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

“I smell something fishy….”
What makes you think they’re here fishing?

Posted by: Bob | August 8, 2006, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

HEY FBI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don’t you post pictures of these rats so we can all be on the lookout. I think you are as bad as these eleven terrorist you let into the country by not showing us their photos. I think we have more a Department of Insecurity!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, who’s side are you on anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This shows that we do not really have a war on terror !!!!!!!!

Posted by: JO | August 8, 2006, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

I believe these students came to learn english,like Hany Hanjour who also came for the same purpose but instead carried out the attack on the pentagon.We should watch out for these students,if Hany without knowing much english could fly,communicate and navigate then these kids can do similar or worse.

Posted by: fr | August 8, 2006, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

“These are young kids?” Jihadis start going on operations as young as 12 or 13; and Egyptian Islamist terror group just made “common cause” with Al Qaeda…
The real question is, in a world like we now live in with Hizbullah supporters living in Detroit and extremist mosques all over the country, is our government so STUPID as to even PERMIT A MUSLIM FOREIGN NATIONAL TO ENTER THE COUNTRY?
AND WHY ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STUPID ENOUGH TO TOLERATE IT?
Don’t bother replying…rhetorical…

Posted by: Robert | August 8, 2006, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Here’s a radical thought: until peace and brotherly love reigns in the Middle East, let’s not allow ANY students or J1 workers in from muslim countries. None at all. Would we have allowed young Japanese men to come here after Pearl Harbor? Exchange program? I don’t think so. These guys are not here for peaceful cultural exchange.

Posted by: ROWDY O'ROURKE | August 8, 2006, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm

These men were coming for a very short term special English program (31 days, I believe) combined with some field trips in Montana. They were NOT enrolling in the regular fall semester. It seems as if their classes have already begun and they are ?????

Posted by: Francesca | August 8, 2006, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

I was going to go to sleep when a thought came to me….there was mention not to long ago about a planned attack on the US in November. So, maybe there is a reason why 11 “students” came here….to be part of a planned attack on 11/11 – Veterans Day….If we look at the photograph of the video tape that refers to an alliance with the Egyptians is there a clue there?…maybe….I guess anything is possible. We should not be complacent and shrug this off as innocent. I guess my New York is coming out but these days trust no one, believe no one until you see for yourself….the truth. Once burned, twice shy.

Posted by: Diane | August 8, 2006, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

This is total BS…these people do not even exist. Gov’t just want to look good & trying to make up crap leading to 9/11.

Posted by: Eslam Ibrahim Mohamed | August 8, 2006, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

If John Kerry had gotten elected none of this would have happened.

Posted by: Carl | August 8, 2006, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

For all you out there with your hair on fire about the “students” think about this: 30 million untracked illegals are already here – and you get upset because some major news outlet lets you know that 11 more made it past security at JFK !!?? Wake up – we are at war – racially profiled; H— yes! Sealed borders; same answer! Deportation of illegal alien criminals; same answer! Or would you rather wake up to the sounds and sight of a mushroom cloud from the ignition of one back-pack nuke brought in on foot by one(non-racially profiled)illegal Islamo-facist Nut Case to your city. What is the problem here folks – we are already 5 years out from 911 and our borders are not yet secured – somebody needs to be impeached and some other folks need to have criminal investigations initiated on them if this thing doesn’t get turned around – by God we are already 5 years behind and then some. Who the H— is worried about racial profiling or for that matter about Iraq when we are about ready to get nuked and put out of existence ? What good are the billions of dollars we spend on the Military if we cannot and will not secure our own borders from those who will destroy us. Why not continue business as usual since “Free Trade” trumps American jobs and is with Dictators that target our cities with missiles we help purchase at our friendly Wal-Mart Stores? Do you want your children to have a future or do you want what you see in Lebanon or worse right now for your kids? Wake up America !

Posted by: Bob | August 9, 2006, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Sure is puzzling why no pics have been offered as of yet. If these kids don’t show up shortly, this story will become front page nationwide. There will be little doubt of their intent should it become obvious they have gone into hiding.
Also seems curious that FoxNews.com has not covered this story at all. Oops, not really – since they always do everything in their power to cover Bush’s hindquarters. Unlike many of the morons who have commented here, they have yet to figure out a way to blame this possible security breach on liberals.
Oh yea, and to the guy who couldn’t resist making a cogent reference to Clinton, I offer this:
When Clinton lied…
people were ashamed and they cried.
When Bush lied…
people were maimed and they died!

Posted by: Bruce in Spokane | August 9, 2006, 12:57 am 12:57 am

No worries. As President Bush had said, they are all here to work and to take jobs that no Americans want to do. Maybe they are in a hurry to get to NYC to drive a taxi or work in a gas station or something—–NOT!!!!

Posted by: Chuck | August 9, 2006, 12:58 am 12:58 am

We;; for one thing! If they are at least 18 and i guess they are, when they see and hear all the commotion about them being ,, awol , or whatever. why in this world , if they have good intentions,wouldnt they step up and say Hey! here I is hahahah. i mean geeee, just come forth and say ” I am here nothings wrong”! thats all they would have to do!, what worries me is they havent done that!!

Posted by: Tiny | August 9, 2006, 1:10 am 1:10 am

Is it not time to begin to do some selective racial profiling in deciding who we allow to come and study in the United States? Are we going to let these people learn how to make atomic bombs in our universities to use against us? We probly already have!

Posted by: Dave | August 9, 2006, 1:22 am 1:22 am

If they were Swedish, would it be nwes?

Posted by: greekTowner | August 9, 2006, 1:22 am 1:22 am

The valid criminal investigation tool used to be called “criminal profiling” — until some bright weasels decided to politicize and spice it up in a more useful PC terminology. “Racial” is a much more useful term, particularly for the left side of the spectrum, and that got the valid “criminal profiling” wording changed in the mind of the public.
I’m surprised at how many people think 11 people from the same region, bound for the same destination, failed to follow the few others of their group and sign in like they were required and expected to do is no big deal. In a simple tactical deployment, 11 people would make up three full fire teams, or one assault squad, lacking only one member. Maybe that’s not enough to take on the First Infantry Division, but it is more than sufficient to tear a neighborhood apart and kill a lot of unprepared, innocent people. For those who think the timing is politically useful, try to think for a moment: Organizations intent on murderous assault might realize doing something along that line just prior to or coinciding with a national election is beneficial to their “cause.” It isn’t just American politicians who know the value of timing their actions. To think otherwise is childishly simple. The forte of terrorism is exploiting weaknesses. Naive political suspicion can be a superbly useful weakness.
As for the clowns who tried to make points by questioning if such a disturbance would have been initiated if the foreign students were Italians or Germans, I can only answer that it isn’t Italians or Germans who fairly daily announce to the world that they want to bring down the United States and kill all Americans for the greater glory of Islam. It certainly wasn’t Italians or Germans who brought down the Towers, either. Nor was it elderly American grandmothers on strollers. Going after people who don’t match clearly delineated criminal profiles wastes resources while at the same time ignores genuine potential threats.
I seriously doubt that such a sizeable number of foreign visitors would unanimously decide to “party down” rather than responsibly show like they were supposed to. The increased security interests of the US post-9/11 isn’t a secret overseas. The murderous intent of certain radical Islamic factions isn’t a secret here, either — except, apparently, to the mainstream media outlets and a few fools posting here who refuse to acknowledge certain basic facts.
And those posters who made cracks about wild-eyed Texans hauling them off, that’s really pathetic. At the very least, aside from the stupid supposition that anyone would arbitrarily decide to abduct a group for no reason, a handful of “good ol’ boys” would have had trouble subduing and then controlling 11 victims. Beyond that, making a baseless assumption that people from “the other side” are the only violent folks in the country is racist in itself. The recent Seattle shooter wasn’t a Texan — he was, in fact, a fairly young Muslim. And someone who matches the criminal profile.
The bottom line is, several young men of Middle Eastern extraction once attacked us, and numerous men of Middle Eastern extraction who act as mentors and leaders daily threaten to eliminate us. Therefore, it is perfectly acceptable to criminally profile people who act suspiciously when they clearly display characteristics matching our potential, and self-announced, attackers.
Beyond that, as far as “fairness” and “humanity” and all that goes, foreign visitors rightly should be held accountable for their actions, particularly when their actions are not only suspicious, but contrary to our laws. So don’t give me that “they’re probably just taking in the sights” crap. Their actions, and their number along with all their other commonality circumstances, makes their actions at best incredibly stupid and plainly deserving of increased search-and-capture maneuvers.
One point, to discuss some of the conspiracy theorists wondering why the alert is limited to the eastern seaboard. My best guess is that if the 11 had boarded a connecting flight going in-country, the Homeland Security people would have been aware of it. I’m guessing that they specified the region based on the possible fact that the individuals in question didn’t fly out of the region.
I don’t normally get alarmed with “fear du jour” reports. But I have 25 years experience with resource protection and physical security in the military, and we were studying terrorism long years before they hit the States and the rest of the country suddenly got shook out of its complacency that all such events don’t just happen somewhere else. Saying all that, this report bothers me.

Posted by: Phil | August 9, 2006, 3:05 am 3:05 am

If they were innocent and just here for going to school and some how forgot (LOL) to show up, they would come forward and say,hey look-this is all a mistake. We are orginary people looking for a good education that Egypt doesn’t have.
It has been televised and printed in news papers all over America.
Lock down America!

Posted by: Isadora | August 9, 2006, 4:40 am 4:40 am

Thanks dreek, that helps those that don’t understand the process. Unfortuately it’s loop holes like this that allow people like this to enter the country and somehow go missing.

Posted by: One Nation Under God | August 9, 2006, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Why didn’t we stop allowing Middle Eastern “stidents” from coming here to our colleges, post 9/11?
How many more Americans have to die on our soil before a zero tolerance mindset takes hold?
Obviously not enough people died on 9/11/01. Maybe 50,000 or 100,000 will do it next time in order for a permanent change of mind takes place in this country.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, America.

Posted by: Chris | August 9, 2006, 9:48 am 9:48 am

One could read the political inferences in these posts. The liberals’ attitude: “Lets not act hastily, be judgmental and give them a chance to explain their absence”. The conservatives’ attitude: “Round em up and ship em out”. But a typical liberals’ reaction to having their family brutally attacked and would be “You do that one more time and I’ll get mad”.

Posted by: FlimFlamMan | August 9, 2006, 11:05 am 11:05 am

the only thing stupider than allowing young middle eastern men access to our country, is not recognizing that the entire problem IS young, middle eastern men.
After its too late, (this time too), I betcha we STILL don’t wake up as a nation. 49% of this nation is dumber than a bushel of mud, and half of the rest are afraid of offending that 49% (or at least afraid of the torm raised when the braindead 49% is offended).
We will never admit publicly that the western world is at war with the Islamic world. That would be too offensive.
Act like it, or be defeated.

Posted by: ted | August 9, 2006, 11:07 am 11:07 am

A lot of comments have been posted to this article. Looks like we are coming up on 48 hours since this story first broke and was responded to. Bottom line….. we still don’t have a clue where these folks are and we sure don’t understand why none these “students” haven’t popped their heads up out of the sand and said “hear we are”. What about that folks…you can’t tell me they don’t read the news or see TV.

Posted by: dreek | August 9, 2006, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Hey Phil–even though I was one of the ones who posted that kids will be kids, and maybe just want to be normal 18 year olds and party—I thought your post was the most insightful, educational post of all. At least you are not making snide remarks, and are looking at this from all angles. Thanks for the great post–I think about this issue differently now.

Posted by: patty | August 9, 2006, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

I am absolutely DISGUSTED at the racism so many people are showing here. I’m sure if 11 English, or French, or German, or Swedish students disappeared none of this would be going on. Learn to respect and love others, folks. We are all human.

Posted by: EE | August 9, 2006, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Such ignorance is really saddening..

Posted by: mandi | August 9, 2006, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

Whay don,t thay put up a Photo

Posted by: Stephen | August 9, 2006, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

11 students/911 HMMM. Symbolism is very big for the eastern mindset. Multiple attacks on our country could be a recipe for panic and mayhem. Sounds like just what a group intent on bringing our country down would do. As for being stupid, I hope not. We’ve taken for granted our freedoms. Living day to day in a country where we believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a gift. Unfortunately, we’ve taken them for granted like a spoiled child. 911 was a precedent (meaning nothing like that has preceded it) We have to learn from it though. Liberal thinking when it comes to common sense doesn’t make any sense. We’ve forgotton how to think for ourselves. We’ve let the world and the liberal thinkers drive us. There is an evil world out there and freedom is their enemy. Ideology is at war. The east and the west. I agree that our way of life and what we stand for is in jeopardy. We better wake up and thank God he has given us what we have. It can be gone in the blink of an eye. If we are so proud to think that the work of our own hands has given us all this, and not the One who created us think again. History can repeat itself and usually does.

Posted by: Ceelr | August 9, 2006, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

I think we should send out an “Amber Alert”.

Posted by: John | August 9, 2006, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

I’d be willing to bet that if Germans, French or Swedes flew planes into the trade center on 911, we’d be looking for missing students from those countries as well… Racism used to be a powerful word before everyone started misusing it.

Posted by: chris | August 9, 2006, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

How come all 11 disappeared! They are a mob! If only 6 of 17 reported to school, why 11 ran away? Bear in mind that 3 were denied visas in their home country. Therefore, they aint no good.
It’s good for the advisor to post their potraits, they should be hanging somewhere in the beach probably.

Posted by: new | August 9, 2006, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

WHY has the FBI not released their photos? We post repeated warnings of storms and flash floods on TV and radio. It seems ridiculous and ignorant to not assume these people could be more violent than a terrible storm. Please wise up! Our PC culture is going to get us all killed!

Posted by: srkbt | August 9, 2006, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

How do we know that they are simply not playing tourists and are planning to show up when classes start? All we know so far is that they didn’t show up for orientation. This doesn’t automatically make them terrorists.

Posted by: David | August 9, 2006, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Good God! in Heaven! Please forgive the STUPIDITY of the articles and the people that wrote them in this site!
Let’s see to all of you above that think 11 Muslim students who have come here just before 9/11 comes around, and have now dissappeared, and this dissappearance is merely a fluke, and are merely missing. Let me invite you to take a revolver, put one bullet in the chamber, spin the chamber, point it at your head, and just before you pull the trigger, make these comments: Ohh there probably isn’t a bullet in this chamber, or ohh it’s to humid for the bullet to explode, or i’m invinceable and can’t be shot, or I must be dreaming, there really isn’t a gun in my hand!
You idiots! No wonder this country is going to hell in a basket. I am surrounded by lunatics!!!
Do you really think it a coincidence that “11″ muslims dissappeared? Is it a coincidence that this is happening right before Sept 11th. comes around? Is it a coincedence that these students haven’t come forward and turned themselves in knowing the F.B.I. and the entire country is looking for them?
I can only hope you idiots are in the cities they are going to hit so you can get a first hand look at “REALITY”!!!! and not LA LA LAND!!!
In addition, let’s say you are right and I am wrong. Why in the name of humanity would you even want to take a chance.
The government should have already put out APB’s nationwide, Put their photos on America’s Most Wanted? Do something!!! to find these butchers before alot of innocent women and children get slaugherted, because THAT IS EXACTLY what they are here to do!!! You idiots!!!

Posted by: Tom Hartshorn | August 9, 2006, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

What crazy Texans? Talk about profiling!

Posted by: Pats | August 9, 2006, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

I’m confused – since when has anyone in Egypt said they hate americans – actually there are a lot of people all over the world in lots of countries that do not like the US. So how did these students get put in to hezbollah, al quaeda, and are they even muslim? they could be christian for all we know… i agree they should be found and accounted for but watch the rhetoric, get your groups and countries straight – some folks are sounding pretty crazy. If everyone in the world is our enemy what chance does this great republic stand?

Posted by: Egs | August 9, 2006, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

I wouldn’t get too worked up about the discrepancy in the school term dates. The news report said they were here for a special one month exchange to learn English, so the regular semester dates at the school probably are not the dates to go by. If they arrived on the 29th, is it not possible that classes were supposed to start on Mon 7/31 and go thru the month of August so that the special exchange programs can perhaps be over with before the regular Fall semester begins?
That explains the start date issue to me, but if this was a group exchange program, I am assuming they were all booked on the same travel itinerary. Seems like a thing the school would do. The 6 others who showed up are REALLY in the dark? No program coordinator to meet them and accompany them?
Seems like a badly arranged program, regardless of what country they came from.

Posted by: VT1966 | August 9, 2006, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

What is it with these people on here defending them? I guess they like violence and terrorism. No matter what, nobody of any kind of middle eastern background should be allowed in here. Thats not racism folks, thats defense. Get real! I hope all of the hippies on here defending get a goddamn reality check, and open there eyes! Nobody is saying there terrorists, we just want to know there deal is. It sounds like we already have one of them in custody, so if there are no problems and there arent who we think they are, he will say where the others are.

Posted by: Ryan | August 9, 2006, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

WHY DON’T YOU PEOPLE READ THE ARTICLE CAREFULLY!!!
They came here on a SCHOOL VISA,
IF and when they don’t show up to class they are deemed illegal!!!
That means they entered this country legally.
I’m sure this raised many red flags, and they “SHOULD” be on top of this.
What do you guys think about the august 22nd terrorism prediction everyone is talking about.
Supposedly its some islamic holiday when mohammed ascended to heaven.
Hopefully our Intelligence teams are working on this.

Posted by: Pete | August 9, 2006, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

When I’m on vacation, I don’t keep updated daily to the news. They don’t have to show up for class till 8/28 at the latest. They can arrive up to 30 days before their classes start.
If they posted their pictures, maybe someone will approach ‘em whill their viewing the Grand Canyon and say… “Hey, do you know that people are looking for you.” As it now stands after reading some of these posts, somebody will probably shoot before they ask that question.

Posted by: Not to worry. | August 9, 2006, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Here’s an update for all you people in La La Land. I just saw an update that read, One of the missing 11 students was arrested in Minneapolis by the F.B.I.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! Montana – Minnesota, Ohhh maybe he merely wants to visit all the states that start with an M.
Let’s see he comes into the U.S. via New York, then he goes to Montana, and now is in Minnesota. Wow, I know! he has amnesia and forgot where he is.

Posted by: Tom Hartshorn | August 9, 2006, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Here we go again, pointing fingers without proof.

Posted by: EgyptiAnna | August 9, 2006, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

Being a “Native American” I think you should all go back where you came from !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Donna | August 9, 2006, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

NOTICE TO ALL FUTURE TERRORIST:
It is still easy to enter the US. Even after 9/11. You’ve seen our Investigative Reports on how “no one” at the borders (north or south) are able to identify fake documents. All fake student visas, driver’s licenses, and birth certificates are welcomed; just get lost when you get here–we have no way to find you–what a country! Oh, better yet; many roads between the US and Canada have no border guards! Just keep looking until you find one! Oh, and Mexico–illegals are coming over across the border daily by the thousands, undetected!! And they all will become citizens soon–again what a country! And when they all 13 million get voting rights, they will be sure to help shape the laws about coming across the border–to make it easier! But I understand you terrorist like to take you time to plot and plan–no problem. We Americans are so stupid and forgetful, it will be years before we really protect our country with strict ID documents and secure borders. We are too busy trying to keep folks from making counterfeit dollar bills. It is too costly for us. It cheaper for us to pay a million dollars to each family you kill than to spend trillions in protection. Also, we like to debate these issues for years before spending that kind of money–we have to be careful and not loose voters! And lastly, we are a flagrantly arrogant free nation and we would hate to offend anyone (friend or foe) who wish to come to this wonderful country. Just face it, Three thousand just wasnt enough for us to buckle down, get off our high horse take you seriously!

Posted by: anthony | August 9, 2006, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

This has already been addressed by previous comments, however it is worth repeating – why aren’t photos and information being blasted on Tv, Their faces need to be plastere all over the US. and every news station need to constantly show their faces, faces plastered all over the TV.,our libraries, stores, fast food places, places that usually attrach many people. It is reminiscent of how quickly—NOT, Fema and other groups were clearly not prepared to render help to the victims in a timely matter. We saw people walking along the roads in dire straights. They had nothing. No food, water or money and then were crammed into a sports stadiun, to live on the grass. How were they to avoid the rain? in a building that was clearly not eguipted for such a large group of people. What filth they had to live in and endure such horrendous hardships. This should not have happened to anyone. Why did the Fema housing units just sit empty. Mr and Mrs. Smythe had their home hit by hurricane, wind and debris. They had nothing left and felt confident,Femas help would lighten their load, Wrong! I don’t know what criteria was used, but it was pretty shallow on their part. Then to top it all off, many of the Homeland Secuity and Fema people, used the government credit cards for big ticket items for personal use. why is it we have to always place blame on certain groups: i.e liberals, conservatives, Democrats or the Republicans. We are all in this together, we need to stop this name calling it serves no ppurpose and work together, because I am sure all hell is going to break loose on the anniversary of 9/11! It matters not where we live anymore, we are all being stalked, as it were,by finatical factions, and all in the name of religion.

Posted by: Amalie | August 9, 2006, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

Where are the photos of these guys. Do we have any or what and why are they not posted? Just a name is no way to identify them.

Posted by: carol cooper | August 10, 2006, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

IGNORANCE! IGNORANCE! IGNORANCE! THIS IS NOT A LIBERAL-CONSERVATIVE ISSUE, THIS IS A NATIONWIDE ISSUE. I AGREE, SOMETHING IS FISHY BUT HEY, THESE ARE THE RULES THAT THE “GOOD OL’ BOYS” HAVE ESTABLISHED AND THEY WON’T BE CHANGED UNTIL THEIR IS A DIRE TRAGEDY. SECURITY IS LAX AND WE ALL KNOW IT. AND YES, PICTURES WOULD BE NICE. GET A GRIP!

Posted by: Cheryl J. | August 10, 2006, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Ok let’s get some facts straight.
They came here legally for classes, they are illegal for not showing up for classes. The article states they were going to English classes not regular semester courses. Colleges do run many programs over summer term.
Yes it’s important to take note of this, and obviously the securtiy forces are doing what they can to find them. But let’s not get all paranoid.
But I suppose for those paranoid we should not let anyone in or out of this country and stay home and keep our opinions to ourselves or be locked up-no matter what side of the aisle you’re on. While we’re at it make sure all our American babies are white with blue eyes and blonde hair.

Posted by: tk | August 10, 2006, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Today is 8/10th the planes from London would of stopped in NJ and NY to refuel. Where are those Egyptians? They must be found now and we all need pictures of them to help capture them. This is not a coincidence.

Posted by: Nancy | August 10, 2006, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

I am a Democrat..a liberal..I love the USA…and above all, the Constitution.
My friends…desperate times call for desperate measures. Let us unite as Americans, UNITED, and be vigilant to protect ourselves and our freedoms against those nations who support and harbor terrorists.
Yes…I am a Democrat and a liberal who supports profiling those who enter our country…innnocent or not.
Our Constitution says that we can…and we should!!! “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
Amen.

Posted by: LG | August 10, 2006, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Here’s something to think about! Why can so many “students” come here and get a college degree, medical training, etc. and honest, hardworking AMERICANS can’t afford for their own children to go to college! Even with GOOD GRADES! Aren’t our tax dollars subsudising the colleges? Shouldn’t American children be able to afford and receive a college education?
Grants don’t even come close to covering the expense for college. I know, I have one son who could only afford one year of college. It was a major financial hardship! I have another son who graduates next year, how’s he going to be able to go? Grants and scholarships only pay maybe half of the real cost!
I say, stop educating the rest of the world and EDUCATE AMERICANS FIRST!!! No wonder we’re falling behind. We’re helping everybody except our own!
Come on Gates Foundation, where’s the money for Americans!?

Posted by: PR | August 10, 2006, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

They did not arrive illegally. They BECAME illegal after not showing up for the courses they were supposedly entering the country to attend.
That is why they are NOW illegal. But, they followed legal means to enter.

Posted by: David | August 10, 2006, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

I love Jake’s anology of profiling using the bear attacks as an example! Right on Jake.
I travel on airplanes weekly, and Monday of this week I was patted down and body searched. I am a 61 year old caucasion, born in Dallas, TX, NOT Saudi or Pakistan or Indonesia. Sure makes me feel safer that they’re making sure old frequent flyers are searched!!!!
It’s time we get real and start a “jihad” of our own against the Islamic Fascists who have vowed to eradicate us off the face of the earth. If we don’t, then one of these days in their pathetic, ignorant way, they will achieve success in really creating a horrible disaster again on our soil.

Posted by: Larry | August 10, 2006, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

Good to know that as an Arab-American (yes I was born here, no I’m not Muslim) I can no longer socialize with other Arab-Americans without someone assuming that I am doing something wrong. The men in question entered the country legally, they are students. If you look at their ages they are 19 and 20, here’s a news flash for you all, 19 and 20 year old young men on college campuses don’t always show up for class on time, no matter what country they are from. If you are going to issue this kind of report about 11 Egyptians, let’s have the list of other foregin nationals who violated F1 visa regulations by not being in their seat.

Posted by: EH | August 10, 2006, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

Will the people in charge of our FERERAL GOVERMENT every learn THAT THE PEOPLE in the U.S. ARE at risk everyday of the week from foregners coming into the U.S., north and south of the U.S. borders, illegally?

Posted by: wlh | August 10, 2006, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

Pardon my red neck, but why all the petty arguments about the point at which an arrival from the Middle East becomes an illegal in the US?
Well-funded and well-organized groups of terrorists have very obviously decided that now is the time to murder us, and they come from countries who claim to support us and as well as those who are honest in their hate for us.
To simplify it, we are under attack, damnit, so why let any more of them in?
Screw the “learn English”, the flight lessons … and the politics.
Dumbest statement I’ve seen in years … “If I were president, we wouldn’t be..”
I’m glad for the sake of my family and friends, you aren’t.

Posted by: MB | August 10, 2006, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

Dear “PR”-
Exchange students (from whatever country) do not have a free ride at American universities. They have to pay for it. If you had ever done an exchange program (like I have) you would no this. Secondly, you are right, grants and scholarships most likely will not cover the cost of collge, that is why there is such thing as financial aid. Have you ever heard of it? My mom could not afford to send me to college either, but I worked part time, went to school full time, and yes, GOT FINANCIAL AID! Sure, I have loans I have to pay back, but it’s a small price to pay. And I was able to go to college, so quit complaining about how your kids can’t afford to go. There are plenty of ways. Also, most students who come from other countries to go to a college here, aren’t getting their degrees here…if you read the article, they were here to learn english and US History. And just so you know, about 6 of them are there right now learning those things. Also, the students did have to pay not only their own tuition in Egypt, but $2000 each for the program here.
I agree that they need to be found and sent home, but this incident should in no way cause harm to the many exchange programs colleges offer to students, both from the US and other countries.

Posted by: Jane | August 10, 2006, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

This is just another plot by the Egyptians to compete with the Mexicans here illegally for construction jobs.
We could probably find them down in New Orleans, hanging drywall and painting stuff.
Then again, maybe if they would publish the pictures that are taken when people come into the country we could find them faster.

Posted by: RUDY SCHWARTZ | August 10, 2006, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

We need to be cautious at all times and remember that terrorists don’t care about any life, not even their own. There is a huge difference between Latin illegals and some Asian illegals. The Latin people are here to earn a living, they are not terrorists, just think if you lived in a third world country in poverty, wouldn’t you enter the USA illegally to provide more than beans and tortillas for your family everyday. You should take a trip and see the way they live, it is so sad. I know I would enter here to send money home for my children. Most Asians are hardworking individuals. Trouble is, it is the loud minority that spoil it for everyone else. What a sad, troubled world we live in, but it has all been predicted. I sincerely hope that they find the 11 missing Egyptians and the 5 missing Pakistanis in England. Somehow we need to get a grip on terrorism, is it possible though?

Posted by: Jane | August 11, 2006, 10:57 am 10:57 am

A muslim cleric was quoted some time ago as saying that although not all muslims are terrorists all terrorists seem to be muslims. Seems he has a firm grasp of the obvious. So why is there no condemnation of terrorist acts committed by muslims by the so-called “moderate” muslim community? Because they are all sympathetic to the global jihad being waged by their heroes. Because they hate the “great satan” and the “infidels” (Jews, Christians, and everyone else that’s not a muslim). Because they want to re-claim the entire world for allah.
So what if not all muslims are terrorists. Not all the Japanese people bombed Pearl Harbor, and not all Germans put Jews and others in the gas chambers, but where were their sympathies? And if the civilized world didn’t put a stop to their madness back then what kind of a world would be be living in now?

Posted by: jg | August 11, 2006, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

I’m a bit confused here. Why is everyone so concerned about 11 individuals who entered the US LEGALLY, who had VALID visas, and were here to educate themselves? Everyone is up in arms about this…. but how come nobody is concerned about the 12 million individuals who crossed into our country ILLEGALLY, did NOT have valid visas, and have come here to rape our social resources. Arn’t all of you on this blotter being just a bit hypcritical? Worry about 11 aliens, but give 12 million a free pass?

Posted by: Confused on Border | August 11, 2006, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Rather than approach them “cautiously”… maybe someone should approach them with a shotgun. If they wanna see Allah, then send them to Allah.

Posted by: oobe | August 11, 2006, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

The United States is lacking again. We are not as protected as they want us to think. This is a good example. 11 missing students (immigrants), roaming around in the U.S somewhere. Oh, well, I guess that is the price you pay for the land of milk and honey, that supposingly doesn’t discriminate, regardless, of race, religion, and origin. huh

Posted by: Ms. Mohamed | August 11, 2006, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

Why can’t they find Egyptians? Don’t Egyptians walk like Egytians? Haven’t homeland Security watched Steve Martin?

Posted by: JG | August 14, 2006, 12:49 am 12:49 am

Tabloid journalism like this does not befit ABCNews.
All too often the ‘Investigative Report’ reads more like a ‘sensationalist blurb’. Help me out, because I don’t think this way:
What is ABC News’ goals in these poorly substantiated blog entries?
Whipping up the polarized masses? (“Well if you liberals didnt spend your time singin kumbaya with these guys…” “The conservatives are aparently clueless about fixing this…” “Let’s just go find em and shoot em all…”).
Getting people to post hyperbole in response to an article a high school teacher would reject as lacking in detail? Are revenues from websites so bad, that this is how you ensure your sponsors get click throughs on your site?
Some of the commenters have provided better detail than the article has.

Posted by: Straphanger | August 14, 2006, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

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