You Decide: Were the First Foley E-Mails Worthy of Investigation?
The debate over whether Congress should have taken more decisive action against Congressman Foley centers on the e-mails he sent to a 16-year-old page from Lousiana. Two newspapers, the FBI and congressional leaders deemed them not serious enough for publication or further investigation. THE BLOTTER RECOMMENDS Vote Should the Foley E-mails Have Been Investigated? Sixteen-Year-Old Who Worked as Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman Click Here to Check Out More of the Brian Ross Page Others are now criticizing those decisions. What do you think? Read the exchange of e-mails between the page and a member of Congressman Alexander’s staff Danielle Savoy. She declined to comment to ABC News about the e-mails.

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Asking for a picture: There could be an innocent explanation for that. If the kid wanted to use him as a reference later, or apply for an internship, it helps associate a name with a face.
Birthday presents: Off limits, even if the birthday is next week and not four months away.
Posted by: Bob | October 6, 2006, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
there is nothing on the pages. And my first comment to that effect is not appearing on your page.
Posted by: Mark | October 6, 2006, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
There is no question that this whole thing has been long worthy of further investigation and intervention. To criticize ABC for pursuing it is akin to these disgusting tactics of blaming, ABC itself, the victims, the parents, some liberal conspiracy, etc. The responsibility lies with Foley and those who sought to protect him and themselves over the welfare of others.
Posted by: Mike in OH | October 6, 2006, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
The obvious next question for anyone sent to talk to Foley about this should have been:
“Have you been in contact, e-mail or otherwise, with any other pages?”
As House Republican Whip Roy Blunt said:
“I think I could have given some good advice here, which is you have to be curious, you have to ask all the questions you can think of,” he said. “You absolutely can’t decide not to look into activities because one individual’s parents don’t want you to,” he said.
That sounds about right to me. the fact that those sent to question Foley confined their question(s) to this specific instance shows negligence. Keep in mind that not asking questions was precisely what got the Catholic Church in trouble in the priest scandal.
The “We-talked-to-him-and-he-told-us-he-would-stop” defense didn’t cut it for Cardinal Law in Boston and it shouldn’t cut it for the House leadership, either. Protecting kids from sexual predation by those who have a power arrangement over them should be more important than simply taking a guy’s word on it.
Blunt has it right.
Posted by: Bob Johnson | October 6, 2006, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Dear ABC News,
I cannot believe that Foley has gotten away with this for so long. I equate his behavior to a teacher seducing their student. Why isn’t he in prison and on the sexual predator list? It would happen to anyone else. Why not him?
Martha Fuller
Posted by: Martha Fuller | October 6, 2006, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
I believe that you have shaped this October to fit right into your plans as far as letting the dems win – Are you prepared for what it will be like if Pelosi becomes Leader????????? Please!?
Posted by: Carol Rios | October 6, 2006, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Yes, the Foley emails should have been investigated – anyone using their position to sexually harass a fellow employee should be investigted and appropriately charged – what are we coming to as a society?? Have we no morals?? I can’t believe the comments taht I have been reading on this site – that it is a Democratic prank etc – where are you heads – wake up and realize that there are folks in DC who don’t give a damn about our country and its citizens – they feel untouchable and think they can get away with anything – they have gotten away with the torture, and deaths of thousands of US soldiers and Iraqui childre, women and men. When are people going to look beyond party lines and see what evils these Evil forces in DC are doing to our country, citizens and the world.
Posted by: Nadine | October 6, 2006, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
yes, those emails were definitely worthy of investigation, as they involved improper conduct with a minor and breach of a fiduciary duty to the minor. Foley was NOT drunk….he was in a predatory mode!
Posted by: joy | October 6, 2006, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
There is no question Foley’s E-mails and actions should have been investigated when they first came to light.
This is, once again, an example of the GOP not holding itself to the same standards it expects everyone else to adhere to.
Republicans continually enact laws restricting rights, criminalizing behavior and attempting to prosecute (and persecute) people they don’t like.
Of course, that is for everyone except Republicans in safe house seats.
Posted by: Dave | October 6, 2006, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Yes the first emails warranted investigation. This is hypocracy on the part of my republican party. No man is above the law. Not even the president. An investigation should have been launched immediately. I wonder why this man has been hiding in a mental clinic since last sunday? Why has the FBI not interviewed him yet? All the house leadership should be questioned under oath.
Posted by: Sparrow | October 6, 2006, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
If the parents of this boy had to contact there Representative to stop Rep. Foley from contacting their child, it screams of wrong doing.
There is NO excuse for this not be taken seriously.
Posted by: Dawn | October 6, 2006, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
I believe that since Republicans were warned about this man they should have been alarmed at what he was trying to do! In one of the e-mails he refers to a 16 year old’s hot body! Get real!
Posted by: Clint Brown | October 6, 2006, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Yes, they should have been investigated, he is implying a gift offered by asking what the child wanted, and then asked for an email pic. Email pics are a dead give away somone is interested in more than a friendly exchange.
Posted by: Leeanne | October 6, 2006, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
No, I think it is a hatchet job. Totally political
Posted by: DJ1313 | October 6, 2006, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
uh-huh
Posted by: snappy | October 6, 2006, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
How can you possibly ask that question? Of couse Foley, and those who enabled this to continue by sweeping it under the rug, must be investigated on a criminal level. Do not trust the politicains to effctively “investigate” this. They had their chances, time and time again, over the years and failed to do so. Foley’s behavior is called “grooming” behavior, which precedes and sets-up the victimization of a child. Before this investigation is over, I have no doubt that a page will confess to being sexually perpetrated by Mr. Foley. Foley is the same kind of sexual predator that gets caught in a sting on another network’s show that highlights this despicable behavior. The only difference is that Foley has his Republican Party to hide behind. Foley should be subject to the exact same Chester-the-Molerster laws that he passed in Florida while acting under the guise of a pure and God-fearing man who wants nothing more than to hang all the child molesters in Hell. That was nothing more than a smoke screen for his CRT-screen indiscretions. I know his type well. I used to work with child molesters as a counselor. I hope that he serves hard time in the same prisons as the other child molesters…and has to experience what the other child molesters do…it’s not pretty.
Posted by: Jason | October 6, 2006, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
OF COURSE!!!
Posted by: JPMBZ | October 6, 2006, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Yes these emails are worth investing. No they aren’t worthy of indicting, but that is another matter isn’t it?
It is extremely clear from the chronology of the ABC investigation that all that was needed to get the sexually explicit transcripts was letting the victims know that someone was willing to listen to their story. It should not be surprising that a 16-year old would be afraid of challenging a member of congress. But if the House had made discreet inquireys amongst former pages they obviously would have gotten all of the information they needed to stop this right away.
Posted by: Bob | October 6, 2006, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
As a retired teacher, I find the entire saga disgusting. It needs investigating and heads should roll. Our kids need protection from sexual predators and it applies to both political parties.
Posted by: Dee in Atlanta | October 6, 2006, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
If a kid can think they are sick, sick, sick, so would any adult who is not focused on “how can we save this seat and keep this super fund raiser for the republican cause.” This was a very deliberate case of see no evil because it benefited their cause. Totally repugnant. Where was the House Page Board during 2001 until now? Republicans REFUSE to do oversight.
Posted by: sam | October 6, 2006, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
There was enough in those emails to raise suspicion. Mr Foley should have been watched, if not investigated.
It shouldn’t have taken the press or the FBI to make something happen. Mr Foley’s colleagues should have dealt with this.
Mr Hastert saying he didn’t know about the more salacious emails is not an excuse. It was his responsibility to know.
Posted by: Marc S | October 6, 2006, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
why is it! that when the republicans get caught with sick behavior its the dems fault. Why didn’t the speaker know if these other Rep. say they told him!!!!!!
Posted by: Sal | October 6, 2006, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
If a kid can realize that the e-mails were sick, sick, sick then so should a whole gaggle of adults. The only reason nothing was done was to protect a republican’s seat and keep his prodigious fund raising apparatus cranking out the dough. How repugnant.
This behaviour was so recognizably loathsome that a republican hill staffer felt he had to release the material to the authorities ( the FBI got it in July) and when even that didn’t work, released it to the press.He was a brave young man who put our kids and country above the “power at any cost” republican party. Bless him and hope his identity is never revealed.
Posted by: sam | October 6, 2006, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Much to do about nothing. The Dems can’t control themselves. Foley resigned, as he should of. End of Story!
Posted by: Richard Vonfeldt | October 6, 2006, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Everyone has lost sight of the point. This man is a sexual predator. And he must be held accountable as we do with all sexual predators. Even though this will/may have some kind of impact in politics, everyone seems to be out for them selves instead of dealing with the real issue at hand which is addressing a sexual predator first. Maybe the republicans can save face if they also accept the issue at hand and protect these children and make Foley face his crime.
Posted by: A Mom | October 6, 2006, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Reporting this story? Worthy??? Worthy of what? Like this is something new. I think that we should let it go. There are gay people or regular sex perverts all over the world. GTHey have not been stopped because they are right next store. Might be your Uncle…
And television does not help. Look at commercials and cable shows and then take a look at your daughter or son who is watching and think of what is stirring up in their minds. I’m sure that the people who produce the shows and the networks that air them know that they don’t need to be too sexy, but its all about money. Back to the issue. I am not a Republican, but I think that Republicans might and should start looking for the gay Democrates and gay News anchors… Might even the playing field and people can take a look at the real issues in the USA. I think that the world is going to pot not because of gays, or the NRA, [and by the way what do they think about the latest shootings, and where the networks with that story?] but because of the power brokers in Wash. It’s all about the money… And you reading this knows this also. So REPORT THE TRUTH.
Posted by: Wb | October 6, 2006, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
What’s getting lost in the reporting of the Republican’s response to the initial emails?
In the page’s original email he also told Alexander’s office about another report from a former page named Kerianna that there was a congressmen that had hit on pages (plural).
Here’s the exact quote:
“I talked to another page that was here during the school year and first part of summer. Kerianna (her name) said that there was a congressman that did hit on pages. She didn’t know his name. . .”
Why didn’t they investigate based on Kerianna’s assertion, coupled with the “sick sick sick” emails?
You’ve got one page reporting a level of contact he considered inappropriate, another page receiving attention that seems inappropriate, and a third page reporting that a congressman was hitting on more than one page. And they keep saying that they only knew about “overfriendly”
emails.
Posted by: beebee83 | October 6, 2006, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
I’m not a parent and am 50+ years old. There is NO way that an adult hearing of inappropriate e-mails from an adult (male or female) to a young person (again, male or female) would NOT have bells going off in their heads if they were responsible adults. It’s one thing for adults to do things with adults, its a completely DIFFERENT thing for an adult to engage or try to engage a child.
Posted by: maria | October 6, 2006, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
I know the FBI has yet to change their tune but the two Florida papers you allude too are having second thoughts about whether they should have acted more diligently are they not. And we now know the FBI claimed there were redactions in the original e-mails given them is false. For them {FBI} not to see flags is not excusable.
But to put it in proper context. If your child was a page and was sent an e-mail from Mr. Foley with the same contents of those under scrutiny, what would you expect those who were responsible for your child’s safety should have done? Wasn’t the contents, although not salacious, something that would raise a flag? Ignorance can not be an excuse when the safety of our children are concerned. Incompetence isn’t either. Someone dropped the ball, big time. Republicans are going to pay dearly.
Posted by: Jerry Gifford | October 6, 2006, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
His serial harassment, consensual or not, via instant message to male minors is serious, without a doubt. Those that say otherwise need put themselves in the position of the harassed and of their families. If Mark Foley would be anyone’s neighbor, anyone would like to know that he harasses boys and that he is a danger to the community.
Posted by: Nils | October 6, 2006, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
This horrible offense by Mark Foley should have been dealt with months ago. This is NOT a homosexual issue, as the Republicans claim, but an issue of Pedophilia, and all responsible adults with knowledge of his wrong-doing’s should be held accountable for allowing it to continue for so long.
Posted by: Melissa | October 6, 2006, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
I can’t get the e-mails to download. Have they been taken off the site?
Posted by: Strange | October 6, 2006, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Any of the apologists who do not think that a 52 old man asking a 16 year old for a picture is a shot across the bow, should be quietly retired to the countryside!
Posted by: JCJC | October 6, 2006, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
You mean the first ones, back in 1994 or 1996? Yes.
Posted by: Frank | October 6, 2006, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
On one hand, I can see where some might dismiss Foley’s contacts here as merely “overly friendly”, as Speaker Hastert’s office evidently did. However, this has to be judged within a wider context, which the student’s email to the staffer also gives indication of: he had heard “that there was a congressman who did hit on pages”, but he was not sure that Foley was that congressman. As it turned out, Foley was and the student was not overreacting. If there was some indication of other questionable contacts at the time, this information should have triggered an investigation.
Posted by: Ed | October 6, 2006, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Worthy of investigation?
Sure.
Why not investigation EVERYTHING about the original story and possible setup of Foley as a joke instead of the Dan Rathergate part II effort to destory Republicans in an election season.
Posted by: Mark | October 6, 2006, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
WHOEVER IS CRITIZING IS NOT THINKING ABOUT THE YOUNG KIDS.
MAYBE THEY DO THE SAME???
Posted by: BRIAN | October 6, 2006, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
I read the email and think it should have set off alarm bells already in the Republican hierarchy since these pages were (are) 16 years old (although in some states, 16 is the legal age of consent).
But, as in the Catholic church cases, often the first reaction of hierarchy is to verbally reprimand and hope it never happens again, instead of going public with it.
Posted by: Arthur H. | October 6, 2006, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
If this was a non-issue for news agencies (I know Fox was told about this and did nothing), FBI (I assume this is regarding the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) reporting the emails and FBI doing nothing, CREW has contacted the DOJ about why they didn’t), and Congressional leaders (who? Hastert, at the center of the mess?), then how is it that ABC News was able to find corroborating evidence of many instances of Foley’s wrongdoing within a day of them being contacted with nothing more than ‘overfriendly’ emails?
Putting it even more succinctly, the question isn’t why these other agencies and organizations felt this wasn’t worth pursuing, to me the question is why did these agencies and organizations do so very little at all to see if there WAS any evidence?
If a news agency can come up with the info so quickly, doesn’t that say just as much about the groups approached earlier about the emails (like Fox News and the Republican House leaders) inability to investigate something going on in their own backyard?
Posted by: pakaal | October 6, 2006, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
What a question? Obviously, the e-mails were worthy of following up on, given the exchanges Foley had with pages in subsequent e-mails. That anyone would pose such a assinine question is beyond me. But, of course, once more it is just a ploy to cover up for doing nothing when the truth was, the GOP was protecting their majority rather than the children entrusted to their care.
Posted by: SierraBW | October 6, 2006, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
They sound overly friendly considering who they are from and to but they hardly sound sexual in nature. Commenting about what shape one of the pages is in while talking about riding your own bicycle and going to the gym sounds like one teenager talking to another (that’s a little odd). If he’d asked for a naked picture or bathing suit picture, I could understand the reaction.
Posted by: dtegtmeier | October 6, 2006, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
ABC was able to dig up corroborating evidence soon after being contacted. If Congressional leaders had actually done the same, they would have discovered the same scandal.
The question isn’t whether the FBI and Congressional leaders were wrong in thinking there was no scandal, the question is why at the first sign of a possible scandal they took no action at all and left it to others to reveal that the scandal existed. What’s the point of having a head of the House of Representatives, the Page Board and an ethics committee if they don’t do their jobs?
Posted by: pakaal | October 6, 2006, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
If an ex-page said there was reported to be a Congressmen who was “hitting” on pages, clearly that should be brought to the attention of the Page Board. After all these are minors in most states, and the Page Board likely has an implied fiduciary responsibility towards them. I cannot imagine not informing the Board about that.
Otherwise this ex-page wasn’t comfortable with Foley’s e-mails – calling them sick, etc. I would think that would be worthy of a follow-up phone call from a staff member so as to prevent any future problems.
However if your sole objective in Congress is to avoid making any waves while enjoying the numerous perks of the office, then you would probably do nothing.
Posted by: Chris Baker | October 6, 2006, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Of course they needed to be published, who do these politicians think they are “God” I mean I realize many of them, Bush most of all thinks God speaks to them and them only, but give me a break. It’s a problem for them that these were released and the timing but its not a problem that this phedophile was sending lured and sexually sugestive e-mail to kids that were there to learn how our government works. I’d say they learned pleanty! Sue F
Posted by: j filutze | October 6, 2006, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
It will certainly be sweet this November when the Democrats learn that their bottom-feeding, gay-bashing bag of tricks didn’t pan out for them.
Posted by: Hugh Betcha | October 6, 2006, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
A question for ABC and Brian Ross…have you released all of the information you have or do you plan to continue the drips right up to election day? Have you turned everything you have over to the authorities? Have you suceeded in becoming the story yet?
Posted by: Raebie | October 6, 2006, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
In my state 16 is the age of consent. It’s not right though and as he is a public figure, he should be held to a moral standard. The drive-by media is definatly exploiting this. Even Dateline tried to tie it in with the perverts they busted. Still though, it should be investigated.
Posted by: G. Eaglebarger | October 6, 2006, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
To the person above who once again referred to the revelations about Foley as a “prank”. If you got your news from a more reliable source than Drudge you would know that not one page has confirmed this.
You would also know that reports of inappropriate sexual communications from Foley have now surfaced from pages during serveral Congressional terms. One of these individuals from Kentucky is currently serving in the US army in Iraq.
I doubt that he or any of the others were in on this supposed “prank”
Posted by: feddup | October 6, 2006, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Are GOP guys like George Bush and Baker pedolphies for protecting Hastet?
ALL PEDOLPHIES MUST BE IMPRISONED ESPECIALLY THESE LIARS LIKE FOLEY. Since Foley was active in protecting children from predators, he should be in jail for life.
Americans are not to be played with anymore by these wolves like GWB who was a drag before….maybe he still likes boys.
Posted by: S. Chevalier | October 6, 2006, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Absolutely! It does not matter when the details were out in the public, the importance is that the Speaker and other GOP members did not take action as long as three years!
Posted by: Dhwani | October 6, 2006, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
Hang him
Posted by: Bob | October 6, 2006, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
“The Democrats who are exploiting Foley’s homosexuality didn’t care about the teenager that Horton mutilated and murdered, or the woman he raped, or the husband he kidnapped.”
That was a horrible sequence of events. However you are talking crimes committed by one twisted individual who was not involved in decisions pertaining to the government of our country.
Would you like for me to point you to the lengthy list of Republican politicos who have been charged with crimes relating to pedophilia?
It’s publicly available, but if you need help finding it, just ask.
I’m only sorry that political affiliation is so important to some that they are willing to put it above decency, ethics, and morality.
Posted by: Feddup | October 6, 2006, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Why doesn’t everyone wait until all the facts are known before condeming a person or a political party? We know Foley is sick. He is gone. That’s great. Can all you people wait until you hear the rest of the facts. Use your heads and think this through.
Posted by: Herman | October 6, 2006, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Of course Foley should be punished. And, of course “everyone else who knew” should also be punished, regardless of who they are. Sad but true, our society is becoming more tolerant of wrong-doing; however, we still expect public officials to remain ethically true and honest, and maintain the highest moral values. These sex-scandles are not acceptable. Everyone involved must be disciplined. This behavior must be stopped. Too bad society tolerates such nonsense.
Posted by: Justin | October 6, 2006, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
It’s a strange question, considering what’s happened since.
Posted by: Wisco | October 6, 2006, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Don’t miss the story in the Washington Post that says a second aide has testified that Hasterts assistant Palmer met with Foley:
“The staff member said Hastert’s chief of staff, Scott Palmer, met with the Florida Republican at the Capitol to discuss complaints about Foley’s behavior toward pages. The alleged meeting occurred long before Hastert says aides in his office dispatched Rep. John M. Shimkus (R-Ill.) and the clerk of the House in November 2005 to confront Foley about troubling e-mails he had sent to a Louisiana boy.”
It makes a STRONG implication that the Foley problems were part of the reason the House Clerk Trandahl resigned suddenly, with very little fanfare.
Posted by: WaPo | October 6, 2006, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
There’s no way I could read that email and not look into it further if I had any sense of responsibility for kids, ethics, or moral compass.
And I don’t think that has anything to do with party affiliation, because I’m proudly Independent, and my entire family who consists of everything from gun-totin’ NeoCon Republicans to goddess-worshippin’ Dang Liberal Dems all feel the same way.
Maybe picking up on those red flags has more do do with being a parent and with being someone who has in fact seen the bad stuff in the world, not living with the proverbial silver spoon as many politicians seem to do, I dunno. But there’s no way I could have ignored it!
Posted by: Make it Happen | October 7, 2006, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Would they have investigated someone who wasn’t a US rep? Had he not been a good old boy, he would have been investigated. Predators are predators. They need to be flushed out and exposed for what they are.
Posted by: Phyllis Pelletier | October 7, 2006, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Of course it was important to expose this man. Would you want someone like this in your neighborhood stalking your sons? The most disheartning this is that the powers that be have tried to cover it up…it smells very bad and they will hopefully all pay for their misjudgements and neglect of our children! Family Values…UGH!!!!
Posted by: jill | October 7, 2006, 1:08 am 1:08 am
It’s like a soap opera…Frankly, the initial emails don’t seem that incindiary (though reading a full text here has been difficult so I may have missed something)…but what is beyong troubling is the IMMEDIATE resignation of Mr Foley – if it was innocent he’d have fought…clearly it wasn’t..it was possibly criminal. I will be interested to see how much Hastert, et al knew and the decisions they made around that..sad days in this country
Posted by: Matt | October 7, 2006, 1:18 am 1:18 am
It’s true, this isn’t a partisan problem, this is a sexual predator problem. But it’s funny he’d cop out by saying he’s gay, in a party that hates gays and freedom and hires secret police and blocks investigations of 9/11. And since when has ABC ever reported the truth? Anyone see their 9/11 program? It is all about the money and they payoff from the GOP running that before the election cutting out commercial slots worth millions. Who does the government (democrats and republicans) and the media think they’re kidding? Oh yeah, everyone who voted for Bush and Cheney.
Posted by: Chao | October 7, 2006, 1:20 am 1:20 am
I might be way off base by bringing this up, seeing as this is politics and nobody really cares about the kid, but here goes.
When is a kid a kid, and when is he an adult? When he steals, he´s an adult. When he kills, he’s an adult. When he has sex he’s a kid. Nobody would disagree that pedophiles should be locked up. Im only saying, when kids reach a certain age, they need to be responsible for their own actions. That things need to be looked at from all angles. Not long ago I was a teen and when I was 16 and saw an attractive girl or women I didnt want her to look at me as a kid but a man.
Posted by: psvans | October 7, 2006, 1:30 am 1:30 am
The new GOP motto seems to be: Circle the wagons, boys! “Party trumps Pedophila”. How sick and pathethic. This party has sold its soul to hold on to power at all costs. The corruption has now clearly infected most of its rank and core. America is in great danger if we don’t soon change course.
Posted by: David Mulrooney | October 7, 2006, 3:10 am 3:10 am
I keep hearing about gay-bashing, about people attacking foley for his homosexuality.
This is nothing but Republicans deflecting blame. Foley is a PEDOPHILE. Nobody cares if he’s gay, nobody really cares if he’s an alcoholic. Either one of those would have generated a single news story that would have been quickly forgotten.
What we have here is a pederast who finally got caught, and a web of conspirators in the GOP who willfully hid this problem for years.
Foley and the GOP will pay dearly for this breach of the public trust .
Posted by: Steve Savage | October 7, 2006, 3:16 am 3:16 am
I’d like to see the reply emails from the page. We only have half the story when we don’t know what the page was saying to Foley.
It could make Foley’s emails sound more or less strange if you knew the response from the page inbetween.
With only Foley’s non-sexual emails at his disposal, the parents and Rep. Alexander telling him they didn’t want an investigation and Foley’s reasonable sounding response that he was only trying to mentor the page, then I think that Hastert’s reponse was appropriate.
Posted by: J Lamb | October 7, 2006, 4:54 am 4:54 am
those emails arent criminal but they are a little weird. now im a democrat and id like nothing but to see the republican party to drown in a sea of irony.to a trained eye they are a warnigs sign but as much of ann ass as i think foley is hastert isnt a psycoligist and maybe he should have looked into it more but you cant kill a guy for being weird
i dont think hastert just from lookin at those emails had any idea however if it was coupled with the “open secret” of foley being gay
should have warranted a query deep enough to say hey guy has this nuttball been buugin any one does the lack of this mean hastert doesnt care no i think he was not payying attention these things arent always easy to know so dont hate him but watch him ok
Posted by: chris | October 7, 2006, 6:48 am 6:48 am
I think it is sick, what this man was doing. But we know there are perverts in every walk of life! Even in the clergy. What ticks me off is the cover up. Yes they knew and tried to cover it up. Power and money are what drives this party. Not morals and values.Even more than that they are trying to blame news outlets. They had Monica and Bills info all over everywhere as soon as it hit. Before it hit they had Linda Trip doing the dirty work. Betraying and friend for political gain. Taping conversations with her friend Monica who pursued as much as being pursued.She was 22 and it was not her first adulterous affair. I know quite a it because the story consumed news for a very long time, fueled by republican operatives, who are a damn sight better at the politics of personal destruction than the democrats.
Now they want to cry vast left-wing conspiracy!!When Hillary eluded to a vast right wing conspiracy she was mocked by republicans.
To me the story is now” who covered it up and when.” Those who exploded with self-righteous indignation at such a vile thouht of a sexual predator such as Bill Clinton, are now singing that same tune in defense of their sleazy actions.
And if Hastert or any of those puritans say they didn’t know one more time I’ll scream. They new all about Clinton before,during and after. Perhaps they should have had Linda Tripp on the case. She was always in the know! Don’t stop ABC. And by the way when did you guy become democratic operatives?
Posted by: D. Mckinnon | October 7, 2006, 7:43 am 7:43 am
Why are we even asking the question? As a principal, if I needed a photo of a student for records, would I ask for it in a personal email? would I even HAVE a personal email conversation with a student?
Are we saying that the government has less protocol, requires less caution, than a school?
Now THAT’s scary!
Posted by: sheri | October 7, 2006, 8:09 am 8:09 am
The e-mails between the Pages show they were upset about the e-mails, that should have been the first clue.
E-mailing pages in this matter is inappropiate and should have been investigate, if for no other reason, to avoid what is happening now. There have been many news items regarding pedophile priests so this should have been looked into. It’s not as if this is something new.
Posted by: Kathy | October 7, 2006, 8:28 am 8:28 am
For those who can’t find the perverted instant messages, there is a site. The first couple of pages are tame, but after that… well, if you think it’s normal for a 52 year old man and a 16 year old kid to have conversations like this, you are no better than Foley is.
Posted by: sick of them all | October 7, 2006, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Why pose such a question? Is ABC coming under pressure from corporate powers? We all know that the Mega/global/corporate world that decides what we hear and watch is trying to sabbatoge this story. Sit back and watch the masters work their magic. Two weeks before the election this will be the Dems fault!!!
Posted by: JWard | October 7, 2006, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Republican Family Values? I’d say they have beat this statement to death. If these guys are an example of family values, then we are going downhill fast.
Posted by: Mark | October 7, 2006, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Foley has given new meaning to the phrase “turning over a new page”…
Posted by: Samuel | October 7, 2006, 9:16 am 9:16 am
I don’t really care if the speaker thinks the Democrats leaked this story. Just this past week “The Swift boat” crew publicly & brazenly declared they were going to “swift boat” John Murtha. Turnabout would certainly be fair play in this case, if it were true. The bullies on the Republican side are now crying foul? Regardless of how this got started you have the facts of what Foley did. He was smart enough to resign immediately and hide in a rehab.For years while bashing gays, the house leadership acknowledged Foleys little secret, left him in the party, just because they needed his Florida seat. They willing to hush things up for years and expose the kids to this man. Family Values be damned.
Posted by: A. Amy | October 7, 2006, 9:35 am 9:35 am
Congrats to ABC News for pulling this fox out of the hole.I only wish I could have been there to see Foley’s face when you caught him. I work in the mental health field, and I sometimes think I’ve heard it all, but, this guys a pervert with some really lame excuses. A couple of years in an all male federal lockup will most likely give him a new perspective on unwanted sex.
Posted by: David Sundvold | October 7, 2006, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Rush and Sean Hannity and the rest of those folks seem to me to be in complete denial regarding Foley and the war.it’s been awhile since they have felt the sting of defeat and humiliation. Hey Republicans!Do you like Apples?
Posted by: Roland | October 7, 2006, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Wow, it’s interesting to read all these outrageous posts. I don’t follow politics closely but the venom has been eye-opening. It appears that the terrorists have successfully turned our country into a war-zone of a different kind.
What I find most sad is that I figured this was the one issue EVERYONE regardless of political stripes would agree on: protecting children from predatory behavior. Apparently that is only the case in my Kansas neighborhood. This basic tenet sure isn’t valued by some in this forum or in Congress.
Posted by: Mindy | October 7, 2006, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Pray, tell. How did Foley manage to run straight into a Rehab and hide?….Isn’t he supposed to be held in a jail?
Posted by: acforsure | October 7, 2006, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Of course an investigation should have been launched upon receiving the complaint.
Failing to do so constitutes an inappropriate and improper granting of confidentiality to the parents of the page if their story about the parents requesting that confidentiality is true. They had a responsibility to act on the information that they were given, and should have conveyed that message to the page and his parents. From what we know, the leadership didn’t conduct any kind of investigation into the allegations of improper conduct by Foley – the only person they spoke to according to everything I’ve read is Foley himself.
I understand the parents wish to shield their son from the scandal – but Reynolds, Hastert, etc. have responsibilities that go far beyond that one boy and his family, and they had a duty to investigate, and then take appropriate action.
I worked for a youth organization for years so I also understand wanting to satisfy parents and to respect their wishes, but that is not the primary consideration in cases like this one. And by the way, that consideration also applies to any workplace harassment claim, as I’m everyone knows.
Posted by: M.Pearlman | October 7, 2006, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Who put the fox in charge of the hen-house? This man had, as my mother would say, a Reputation.
Posted by: joanne | October 7, 2006, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Nice hatchet job. Nice timing. One problem. Foley already resigned what’s the point? He didn’t actually do anything with a page…and he resigned. Democrats do not get the same treatment from the press. Demo leadership circles the wagons and protects their own. Making this Dennis Haserts fault is another hatchet job that will spell two words for YOU Mr. Ross… DAN RATHER. I can already smell the yolk on your face. Just wait.
Posted by: diego | October 7, 2006, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Do I smell the views of a very few pedophiles here?
Posted by: the antipedophile | October 7, 2006, 10:54 am 10:54 am
I think there is legitimate reason for further investigation. Comments about the physical shape of another page, asking for a picture with unofficial e-mail account, asking about the kids birthday. It provides enough reason to begin some kind of preliminary investigation. There were rumors about Foley in the page program so this should’ve been an eye opener.
Posted by: Robert | October 7, 2006, 11:04 am 11:04 am
I’m not sure that on the basis of the e-mails alone that an investigation would be appropriate. But it appears that there were some other details, (that one page told him there was a congressman who liked to hit on pages) that may have warranted some investigation. It sounds like Foley’s behavior was inappropriate despite the e-mails. The e-mails alone don’t appear inappropriate.
Posted by: Sean | October 7, 2006, 11:17 am 11:17 am
This Foley mess is tragic but a perfect example of the consistent lack of leadership and corrupt batch of arrogant lawless thugs in the GOP leadership. Is there one decent republican left somewhere that has a spine and an ouce of integrity that might be disgusted enough to tell the truth about how arrogant and out of control the GOP has become. ON every important issue for this country they are a disaster!
Posted by: kathryn | October 7, 2006, 11:31 am 11:31 am
I wonder if Foley’s appointment to the caucus to protect children coincides with when leadership found out about his problems. Was it an appointment to deflect suspicion from his illicit actions with these kids? If the dates are anywhere close, the person making the appointment has some explaining to do.
Posted by: Susan | October 7, 2006, 11:50 am 11:50 am
In a conversation with a co-worker (a dem), when the first emails had just surfaced, she was irrate that the media had set out to destroy a man just for being friendly and came up with all kinds of reasons why he asked the questions he asked. I (a rep) on the other hand looked at it and thought it looked suspiciously like grooming for a possible sexual incounter. Just an example of two intellegent people with very different ways of seeing what was written. In politics, it seems, people always want to blame someone. Often someone that isn’t responsible. I thank God daily this was exposed and Foley has been found out. But I have not been convinced there was a cover-up by the republican party. I wish people on the hill would stop using things like this to do their politics. This has nothing to do with politics and it could have just as easily been a democrat. This is about a man that has some serious problems and again, I thank God daily he was exposed rep or dem.
Posted by: Sharlee | October 7, 2006, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
It goes without saying that Mark Foley is a problem and should be gone from Congress…and is. But you pontificating, holier-than-thou leftwing kool-aid drinkers are off the chart and know it. While accusing Republicans of careless disregard for children everywhere, you act as if you have somehow ever done anything to guard young men or children. Let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and let me get this straight. You now agree with the conservatives in this country that gay older men should not be in positions of authority over young teen men (Boy Scouts)? And you now see that protecting unborn infants from instant death for the calous convenience of irresponsible child bearing women is also important? Glad to hear you have joined the camp of those with morals and a heart!
Posted by: s welborn | October 7, 2006, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Not investigate? Hastert and other Republicans are blaming the media and the victims. The “so called” family values of the Republican Party aren’t as important as saving a seat in the Congress.
Posted by: Diane | October 7, 2006, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
I am very angry that I was lead to believe that the Republican leadership had seen the sexually explicit materials contained in the recently released IMs and failed to act.
I am not a Republican, but I hate to seen anyone besmirched by misleading evidence. There is enough partisanship in Washington without people having their reputations slandered by misleading accusations.
I am sure everyone involved wished they had done more now that we know what we know. But honestly, I am not sure that any more could have been done. Pedophila is a very serious charge. If should not be leveled based on rumors and ambiguous evidence and the Speaker of the House has better things to do that chase down every rumor that comes across his desk.
From what I can tell now that the truth is out, about the only thing you can say about Hastert is he is no J Edgar Hoover.
Posted by: Russel | October 7, 2006, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
52 year old men DO NOT ASK emails, photos or anything from a 16-yr old child… PERIOD, end of story.
Everyone from Shimkus, Alexander, Reynolds, Boehner are all pointing uphill to Foley who knew but was more interested in keeping 1 more seat instead of protecting the children.
As a proud Republican, a God-fearing Catholic and a father of 3, I am disgusted at these so called leaders. I cannot bring myself to vote for Democrats but I will not vote or support the Republicans who have abstained from taking action let alone responsibility.
I will go to church and pray for our country’s children and donate to the MIssing and Exploited Children’s Fund. I will also demand that the money I donated to the Republican Party be returned to me. They probably won’t return it but at least it will send someone a signal of our family’s collective personal disgust.
Posted by: Chevaria Lopez | October 7, 2006, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Of course he should be investigated. I think that it’s outrageous that some people think that it’s no big deal, that they are just e-mails. That this whole this is a political move by the democratic party. They need to watch Dateline’s coverage of sexual predators to see just how far a things go from a simple e-mail. These are our children!
Posted by: Chris | October 7, 2006, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
How did Foley manage to scurry like a rat right from being a predator to a Rehab Facility?…Isn’t he supposed to be enjoying himself in jail?
Posted by: acforsure | October 7, 2006, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Monica Lewinski was 24, well above the age of consent, when Bill C. had a relationship with her, and the Republicans thought that was an impeachable offense.
Foley goes after an underage teen boy, VIOLATING LAWS AGAINST PEDOPHILIA, and all of a sudden, it’s “Gee, we didn’t know.” and “He was drunk.” or whatever excuse or dissimulation he and every Republican around him can come up with?
I can only imagine what that mother must be feeling, to know that her son was having these sorts of conversations with a Congressman, no less. I hope the family hires a lawyer and goes after this SOB and all his co-conspirators. Can’t we get a “Special Prosecutor” for this—someone with an unlimited budget and an axe to grind, like before?
Posted by: Doris | October 7, 2006, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
since Foley was in charge of all things having to to with “Protecting the children from sickos on the internets” and he was the co-sponser and bill manager for hs 4744 i would say yes his emails should have been raising big questions.
Posted by: i have sinned | October 7, 2006, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Why can’t we simply treat this Republican pedophile Congressman like we’ve treated Democrat pedophile Congressmen in the past?
Judging by history, if Foley had been a Democrat, not only would he have NOT stepped down, party leadership would have applauded him, promoted him, and he would get reelected many times over.
It’s really a shame when the reaction a pedophile recieves is strictly based on what political party they belong to.
Posted by: Robin Bullock | October 7, 2006, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Oftentimes, I watch those television shows with Brian Ross who tries to lure internet preditors to the homes of young boys and girls homes in order to catch them in the act of trying to seduce a minor.
It is my understanding of the law that in order for them to be prosecuted, they must actually show up! Which means that they are not simply just playing around online, they actually want to commit this crime.
As Foley did not show up, I don’t believe that there is a case against him. I think that his e-mails are strange, but, not criminal. I have not yet seen the IM messages, which, I heard are much worse.
Either way, he is probably best out of office. If he is gay, he’s probably a closet democrat anyway.
Posted by: Steve | October 7, 2006, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
I am appalled that our congressional and senate officials think we would let them disobey the laws they were elected to enforce. Anyone using his political office for his own personal predatory needs should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Yes, any on-line solicitation of a minor, especially one employed by congress, is one of the most perverted acts by anyone in an elected office.
Posted by: H.G.queton | October 7, 2006, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Reynolds warns Hasterts office abouy Foley then takes a 100,000 dollar campaign contribution. Hastert cant remember but next day does in fact remember on Limbaughh’s show.Didn’t even investigate. Now the victims are to blame according to Savage etc. Hastert has been busy blaming ABC Soros, Clinton.Great job for once by the network media to finally get some courage and stand their ground.State of Denial is an apt description for this corrupted rubber stamp congress.
Posted by: mick | October 7, 2006, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
This is nothing but more Republican hypocrisy. We’ve seen it for 6 years now. Thank goodness things will start to change in November
24 dead American GI’s this month. so sad. bush is wrong
Posted by: GratefulWeb | October 7, 2006, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
I am a conservative, but I have to say that the investigation was defintely needed. I don’t care who you are, if you have that sort of conversations with a minor you need to be investigated to make sure that there has not been any inappropriate contact.
There needs to be a thorough investigation to make sure this scumbag didn’t touch any of those kids.
Posted by: Vic | October 7, 2006, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Beverly S. Hill | October 7, 2006, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Brian, a couple of points. I got these from anonymous sources!
1. Clearly Foley is sick and needs help.
2. Clearly Foley was vulnerable and was setup. If you think that Democratic operatives and the congressional Democratic leadership new nothing about this, then I have some buildable swamp land for sale.
Posted by: Turbolaser | October 7, 2006, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
I personally like the way the republicans handled this.Folly was gone the minuet the scandal broke an investigation was launched,by other Republicans.
Posted by: joe Allen | October 7, 2006, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Of course they should have been investigated. But they weren’t. This is why they are trying to bring in Louis Freeh – it was on HIS watch if I’m not mistaken, when some of this began – he will cover up the investigation (again) for them, and nothing will be done. Hastert should resign. They ALL need to resign.
Posted by: Jane | October 7, 2006, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Up until the last week and a half I have been hearing that Republican’s have two issues they could beat the Dem’s on, Family Values and The War on Terrorism. Well, now we are down to just one, and I completely reject that the War on Terror favors Republican’s either.
Posted by: ohbother | October 7, 2006, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
The Republicans are asking us to believe a 16 year old page has more sense than the speaker of the house and the whole Republican leadership?
He called the email from Foley, “Sick” sick sick sick (16 times!)
The leadership’s characterization of the email as “Overly friendly” defies common sense! If they are really as stupid as they want you to think, they should be run out ot office as quickly as possible!
Live by Moral Values, Die by Moral Values, what Hypocrites!
They are even trying to blame Bill Clinton! What Losers!
Nice try, Hastert, but you are Toast!
Posted by: Bill Young | October 7, 2006, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Um, the FBI investigated the emails back in July are found no issue.
Why were some emails and IM’s between CREW and ABC different? Why did not ABC point out that the obscene emails were to an adult?
The Dems can keep focusing on dirty emails while the GOP focuses on National Security.
Posted by: karl | October 7, 2006, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
If we had known, while the Republicans had been wrapping God and themselves in the flag all these years, they had little boys under there with them, we would not have put them in power.
Posted by: Mark | October 7, 2006, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
I think you should have a vote on whether or not ABC News should be the lap dog of the Democrats, releasing information right before the election (otherwise known as an “October surprise”) that has been in their hands for a very long time. I hold ABC News and the Democrats as responsible for the delay in any Foley investigation (and, hence, the continued exposure of pages to this homosexual predator) as I do the Republicans. A pox on both of your houses.
Posted by: PDN | October 7, 2006, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
The headers in these emails are very inconsistently formatted. Are they supposed to be from the same computer? It is hard to tell from the choppy conversations who is saying what to whom in the emails.
I can see why no one took them seriously if this is all that existed back then.
Posted by: opine6 | October 7, 2006, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
I fear for the direction we as a nation seem to be taking repeatedly on news stories like this one. The tone of many of the posts here is very negative, cynical, and often full of venom to the point of near hatred. Reasonable discussion and clear thinking have been abandoned by more than a few in favor of condemning those we disagree with by any means possible- truth and facts are even deliberately ignored to gain advantage in the disputes.
Despite what some may believe, this is not a good thing for anyone no matter what their political persuasion is, and it reflects very unfavorably on the journalists who seem to have a vested interest in fanning the irrational flames of this story. When we break (already broken?) this dam, the floods will help ruin us all, including both major parties and everyone else with it. Every side in these issues must realize that the more under-handed our tactics become to gain advantage, the more the whole process will de-generate to that level for all of us. And what you’ve practiced will come back to be practiced on you later. That’s not good news for any of us.
I have always been very proud to be a citizen of this great country. But recent practices make me very fearful for its future.
The present practices of our major news outlets are feeding the baser instincts of any who have an axe to grind with government leaders, even the highest elected officials of our land, as if the media knows better how to run the country than the elected leadership, and has the right to report any tantalizing tidbit on anyone, regardless of the destruction it can cause.
No government official is worthy of respect in our eyes anymore-such is the fruit of what we have been sowing for some years now.
Posted by: Joe Saba | October 7, 2006, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
When will this hypocritical society stop blaming “older men” and assume its own shame for the sexual promiscuity of its own families, which includes their 15 and 16 year old “children”?!?!?
A 20-something year old female school teacher molests a male student, much younger than 16, and becomes a TV celebrity. Soon she will be a movie star.
Where were all the “outraged moms” then?
What did this congressman do wrong? Is being “old” a crime?
Just think about it for a minute.
Everyone of you.
Posted by: lka | October 7, 2006, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Brian Ross needs to resign. He is a disgrace.
Posted by: Chesty Puller | October 7, 2006, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
This representative got hunted down for exchanging EMAILS.
Where were all the outraged Dems when their own president actually performed oral sex in the oval office with an intern?
Give me a break, “morally and politically correct” America!!!
Posted by: lka | October 7, 2006, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Yes Mr. Foley should be fully investigated and prosecuted if he broke any laws!
Also, let this be a warning to the liberal Demos that refused to force resignation and repeatedly block investigations when their Congressional members have ACTUALLY had sex with minors and subordinates!
We as a nation must protect our kids! If our Representatives and Senators won’t, fire them and start over!
Posted by: Shane Wilson | October 7, 2006, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Let’s compare this to a school:
A student is receiving “over-friendly” emails from a teacher.
Another teacher finds out and tells the principal.
The principal doesn’t follow-up.
Would the principal be at fault? The teacher who knew about what was going on? Of course.
Posted by: Matt | October 7, 2006, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Given the past history with the 1983 Congressional Page Scandal I see that nothing has changed in the Page Program to prevent these types of incidences from occurring. Maybe part of having a page should mean having your communications monitored to insure the safety of the children. During email pen-pal programs w/ military personelle overseas the military has postmasters who are charged for monitoring email correspondence to prevent these types of actions.
Posted by: sam | October 7, 2006, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
When that pervert Democrat from Massachesest ACTUALLY HAD SEX with a 17 year old page (and didn’t resign), did ABC inquire as to why then House Speaker Tip O’Neal didn’t “protect our kids”?
Posted by: tommy | October 7, 2006, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Oh hell yeah.
The fact that it gave the boy the “uh-oh” feeling is reason enough to investigate it.
In a sense the damage was done.
It’s dead obvious, and to not investigate (at the very least), was negligent, and if they knew and covered it up, it has to be criminal.
Posted by: cdodd | October 7, 2006, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
No Joe,
ABC didn’t begin this “current mess.” Foley did when he hit on teenagers. And certain members of the Republican House added to the problem when they found out about it and, it seems, did nothing. Don’t kill the messenger.
Posted by: Bob Smith | October 7, 2006, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
The page obviously had some reservations about Foley from working with him and also being warned,he is correct in turning Foley in.The emails may seem “overly friendly” however the page had suspicions from had contact(working)with foley.And then come the IM’s.I am sorry for all that do see this as being an attempt to solicit a minor.I would not one of their children getting them.Further has anyone thought about this,that all of this is damage control?In the course of a week we had the NIE report,Woodwards book,the state department rebuking Rice on the meeting with Tenet,the 450 plus meetings Abranhoff had at the White House,conditions in Iraq deterorating and then Foley.It seems to me this is the perfect diversion from the other issues the republican party is trying to run on.So let us make sure that Hastert,Boehner,Alexander,Reynolds and Shimkus are force to resign. Now do not forget to get out and vote.
Posted by: Dennis | October 8, 2006, 6:36 am 6:36 am
How can anyone not think this guy was up to something? Did you not read the messages where he asks the teenager if he makes him horny? What about the one where he asked the boy if he was wearing boxers? Come on! How can anyone believe this was innocent?
Posted by: Erik | October 8, 2006, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Gongressmen Foley MUST to be investigated! After all, doesn’t he fall under the same rules that apply where we work? If “We The People” did that, it would have been turned over to the authorities at first light and they would have been knocking on our doors. Sounds and looks to me like a double standard is being applied.
I’m sure the investigation will determine that this isn’t the ONLY time and that more than one page maybe involved. I’ve gotta believe that where there’s smoke there’s FIRE.
As for all the leaders involved with the cover up. They should do the nobel and just thing and RESIGN. Instead of looking down the chain of command a few levels for some fall guy.
Posted by: Dale Danie | October 8, 2006, 8:10 am 8:10 am
Congress cannot be trusted to investigate itself. The investigation into who knew what, when, must be handled by an independant prosecutor. Elliot Richardson, are you still out there?
Posted by: Ken wade | October 8, 2006, 9:58 am 9:58 am
ABC news reported the truth. My spouse calls Foley, the Speaker,
other Republican leaders Hypo-
Christians. They talk about values, but their actions don’t. Adults need to protect children under 18 from perverts like Foley.
Posted by: Cinti-Dem | October 8, 2006, 10:56 am 10:56 am
A reaction over sex scandals far overshadows the far greater problems caused by a closed political process. Where is the outrage over war, poverty, death, distruction, unfairness, deficit. When sex is involved there is an immediate, radical reaction by the current powers, way to go! Voters need to look much deeper into thier choices.
Posted by: mrdave | October 8, 2006, 11:04 am 11:04 am
It is the immortal truth. The deed itself can be relatively minor and easily taken care of; it is the coverup that takes a terrible toll.
When the GOP Leadership had reason to suspect something was happening to the pages, it should have immediately referred the matter 100% to the Capital Police or FBI and stepped away from the matter entirely. If Foley was found innocent, no real harm (provided discretion was used); if guilty, he would have been expelled from Congress and the matter made public. The GOP would have taken lumps but that would have been much earlier than 11/2006.
Even though a am a Democrat, I favor a strong two party system. It looks like the GOP has lost much of its strength now.
BTW, this does not have anything to do with Gays – they are offended by the underage aspect – or Democrats – a GOP staffer blew the whistle.
Posted by: BETO | October 8, 2006, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Hey Brian,
What did Nancy Pelosi and her staff know and when did they know it. Check out her connections to the bloggers outing all the Republicans.
Thanks,
Insider
Posted by: Insider | October 8, 2006, 11:47 am 11:47 am
It doesn’t matter how the information
came out, the point is Mark Foley was engaging in inappropriate behavior with children. Surely, if he were just a John Doe living next door to you, and he was having sexual conversations with your child, you’d want someone to turn him in.
Posted by: rainlillie | October 8, 2006, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
No, Bob,
Joe is right. ABC and the “mainstream media” pander to their left-wing agenda all the time. Are you really so naive? Of course Foley is a dirtbag, but it seems he didn’t actually do anything illegal. And all ABC can do is keep hammering this non-story. Have you forgotten all the shock and awe by the democrats when the subject was Clinton and his own sex scandal back 8 years or so? Everyone was outraged at all attention on that issue. Now it seems they can’t get enough, a real opportunity to keep it in the headlines 30 days before election. What an amazing coincidence. Must be a vast, left-wing conspiracy.
Posted by: Mike | October 8, 2006, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
regular joe would have been playing games with his prision buddies since 3 years ago for this. but since mr foley was congressman and a powerful
congressman, his buddies at the republican party chose to keep quiet about it and try to cover it up. unfortunetly for them is hard to cover something as horrible as this, and it has blown in their faces, as they deserve it.
Posted by: david | October 8, 2006, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Who gives a flying fig WHAT political party is affiliated with the story?! Would you take time to ask the person who molested YOUR child what political party he/she was with? Geez, people, the man deliberately and systematically set about soliciting a minor for his own sexual gratification. The man was in a position of power over that teen and knew the legal and culural ramifications of his behavior if it ever became known – hence, the desperate attempts by him and his colleagues to deny knowledge of/responsibility for his actions.
Posted by: laurentia mcintosh | October 8, 2006, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
If Robin Willliams can run for president, so can Brian Ross!
Posted by: john payton | October 8, 2006, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
I thank that ALL the PEOPLE that knew about this mess and did nothing should Resign ASAP wether they are REP OR DEM from the TOP or Bottem no mater Thanks Jim
Posted by: James | October 8, 2006, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Let’s blame the Democrats, shall we? It’s part of their plan for world domination that this man, Foley, made inappropriate overtures to young men. If the pages were over 21 this would be different, but these boys were sent to their capital to learn about their government – well I guess they learned more than they thought they would. Foley is a sick man – whatever party he belongs to, he needs to have his problem addressed, and he needs to be removed from any contact with underage boys. It’s not the boys’ fault, it’s not the Democrats’ fault, it’s not even the Republicans’ fault (although they CAN get off their high moral horse, now). It’s FOLEY’s fault, and alcoholism, and even prior molestation is no excuse.
Posted by: Carey | October 8, 2006, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
I do not think the emails posted here, that was the correspondence with the boy from Louisiana called for further investigation. However, if it isn’t the only communications Mr. Foley was involved with, well than it needed investigating long ago.
I think that pedaphilia is Sick! I also think that being gay is Sick! I don’t hate gay people, I’ve actually had a few gay freinds in my life time, but they knew how I felt. I don’t understand it, but neither do gay people, so I don’t blame those for being the way they are. I realize that gay people prefer their own sex, and pedaphiles prey after our children, but in my opinion one is as sick as the other. But our children are precious, they are innocent when they enter this world, and like our environment they should be protected. I am an independent, democrats, or republicans mean nothing to me. I feel the way I feel and I have an opinion about everything. I agree with postings above, if this country doesn’t wake up, and realize we need to get back to our morals, and protecting our children, and if we don’t realize how corrupt our country and its leaders are becoming, our country is going straight to HELL!
It seems to me that those in Power are the ones with no ethics, or morals, and if our leaders are this corrupt, our nation doesn’t have a leg to stand on. As the bible says, money is the root of all evil. Wasn’t our country founded on “IN GOD WE TRUST”? If so, why have our leaders forgotten this?
Posted by: Brenda | October 8, 2006, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Anyone who believes for 1 second that Foley’s behavior didn’t culminate in actual physical contact simply isn’t being realistic.
Wishful thinking (“SURELY not!”) won’t bring back those kids’ innocence. Or politician’s morality, for that matter.
There’s no baby in this bathwater- there’s nothing there but filth.
It’s time to throw them all out & start over.
With the Bill of Rights & The Constitution would be nice.
Washington DC *IS* nothing but a culture of corruption.
Posted by: K.G. | October 8, 2006, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Brian’s former room mate at Northwestern says if Robin Williams can run for president, so can Brian Ross. from Brian’s “old”
room mate, John Payton (now living in Florida and university professor for 30 years and Chicago Sun-Times writer and former speech writer for Gov Otto Kerner ad infinitum……)
Posted by: john payton | October 8, 2006, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
In my church (I’m an Episcopalian), those who minister to minors are required to take a special course which trains them in recognizing the need for and establishing appropriate boundaries between themselves and the children under their care.
Since most people would never even dream of crossing the line, the training often introduces them to the idea for the first time and sensitizes them to not even innocently creating the appearance of boundary crossing. It also teaches them to recognize boundary crossings in others.
In my son’s school, in order to chaperone a field trip, parents must agree in writing to have a police background check done on them–again, to protect the children. If parents had never thought of themselves at fitting the “type” of a sexual predator, this form is a sober reality-check.
I am astonished, then, that none of these Congressmen and -women, who work with underage children every day, especially those who have responsibility for the children’s well-being, are required to take some kind of anti-predator, anti-boundary-crossing training.
Posted by: hkins | October 8, 2006, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
GET IT STRAIGHT PEOPLE! This is NOT about whether Foley was gay or straight! This is about the fact that he’s a pedofile!! As far as I know, nobody has (yet…but I’m sure the Republicans wish they could) passed a law outlawing homosexuality. But there ARE laws against pedophilia!
It would make absolutely no difference if he was straight and contacting female pages through IM, asking inappropriate questions, etc.
It’s NOT about gay or straight, it’s about pedophilia!
“If he’d asked for a naked picture or bathing suit picture, I could understand the reaction.”
Ummm, dtegtmeier, how about asking a young boy if he’s masturbated lately, and then going on to ask him how — in detail — he prefers to do it? Do you think, perhaps, that “sound[s] sexual in nature”???
Posted by: FemaleVet | October 8, 2006, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
I still just want to know why there are double standards. In 1983, Democratic Congressman Gerry Studds had an ongoing sexual relationship with a page, and when it was discovered he wasn’t investigated, there was no ethics hearing, the FBI did not step in to investigate… He got on TV with the boy in question and they said that the relationship was consensual, that the age of consent in the District of Columbia is 16 and that their right to privacy was being violated and that it was no one else’s business. Congress censured Studds for 90 days and that was it. Studds was re-elected to his seat for an additional 13 or 14 years. I don’t agree with Foley’s behavior – but this is political grandstanding in an attempt to get back control of congress. God help any democrat who gets caught in compromising position in the future.
Posted by: WomaninOakland | October 8, 2006, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
THANK YOU Brian Ross at ABC. After reading the paper today and they said Mr. Foley fron time to time let the pages use his town house when he was out of town. I am wondering, did he have HIDDEN CAMERAS in the town house?
Posted by: Wauline Susie | October 9, 2006, 10:43 am 10:43 am
I don’t know what any of you people are trying to do here.
Your not going to convince anyone here of your personal agenda. Nor are you going to feel any better about reading any of this. If you truly want to do something call you government and let them know how you feel about it. That is the only way you will get any kind of change in the government. This business of “oh its a demacratic ploy” or “those filthy republicans” does not help this country. We will become a divided nation unless this is put to bed, now.
Posted by: Magnus | October 9, 2006, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
In the light of all the very real slights and injustices suffered by the American people everyday by either the current administration or our very system and structure of government, the Foley case, whether investigated or otherwise does nothing to improve or better amend this nation.
From out of reach medical care to the hungery to below poverty wages to questionable wars around the globe, Foley’s folly is tantamount to a mosquito hovering over a patient who is both comatose and terminal.
Whether or not Foley was worth the ink or the 2 weeks of media is in the past.
It’s time to turn the page!
Posted by: zach | October 9, 2006, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
ABC — many of us can’t read the emails from the page to the Alexander staffer. Can that be fixed? Thank you!
Posted by: Kelly | October 9, 2006, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
The idea that Dennis Hastert could have read the original emails and not realized what the score was, is inconceivable.
His career before government was as a high-school teacher and coach, for crying out loud. An important part of that job is to advise teenagers on this kind of thing, and teachers are taught how to recognize the warning signs.
If a sixteen-year old boy could see that those emails were “sick,” there’s no way Hastert could fail to. If any of you thinks otherwise, you’re fooling yourself.
Posted by: Nancy Irving | October 10, 2006, 6:29 am 6:29 am
I think this is proof that homosexuals are predisposed to sexual perversions. Homosexuality by it’s very definition is a sexual perversion and Foley is a prime example of why society needs to watch out for their children who are left alone with homosexuals.
Posted by: Bob Johns | October 10, 2006, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Mr. Speaker, it took you how long to figure out that if your staff hid the truth about Foley they would be fired? It is no wonder that the majority of the public viewed the last Congress as one of the worst bunch of “do nothings” in the last ten years!
Posted by: JCJC | October 10, 2006, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
ABC obfuscated the facts of this story to imply that Hastert knew that Foley fishing for sex from pages.
Nobody took action on this situation back in 2005–not the press, not the House leadership.
Does anyone really believe that Hastert would have ignored the much more sexually explicit instant messages (not the emails, but the instant messages) that only recently came to light. When it became apparent that Foley crossed the line he was gone. End of story.
Posted by: Tom Francis | October 10, 2006, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
On 9 Oct Kelly wrote:
“The idea that Dennis Hastert could have read the original emails and not realized what the score was, is inconceivable.”
I agree, but Hastert didn’t read them in 2005. Had he read them Foley would have been gone. Members of the press did read these emails in 2005 and they didn’t do anything about them. So…blame the media. Oh, and blame the voters in Foley’s district.
Posted by: Tom Francis | October 10, 2006, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
I think we have just totally gone bunkers. If your son or daughter reported to you that a grown man is saying the things that Foley said in those emails, hopefully, your first reaction should be protecting this child. Why is it different in this case? We have continued to allow the two major political parties to brainwash us into believing that the sky is green and its ok, when is it ok to forget basic Right and Wrong, and Common Sense. Are we as Americans that inept at picking and deciphering these actions? We don’t have to listen and act as the man on the TV tells us to. God gave each one of use the ability to think, analyze and evaluate situations…PLEASE THINK! FOLEY AND ALL THOSE WHO TRIES TO COVER HIS CRIME SHOULD BE PUNISHED. DENNIS HASTERT’s first duty is supposed to be for the protection of the American people and not his political party. By not reporting this, he has failed and MUST BE ASKED TO STEP DOWN. Get out your thinking caps and think..forget whose party it is..PLEASE!
Posted by: Common Sense | October 12, 2006, 9:04 am 9:04 am
All that really needs to asked is this: If Mark Foley had been a prominent, major fund-raising DEMOCRAT with a known prediliction for stalking underage pages, do you think the Republicans in charge of the House page program would have covered it up? Or would they have called in Karl Rove/Ken Mehlman and outed Foley at the optimal time for for the most political gain?
I think we all know the answer to that question.
Posted by: sylamore | October 13, 2006, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Should Mark Foley be investigated? ABSOLUTELY!! His behavior is sick and he’s using abuse as a teen and alcoholism as a weak excuse for his actions. Give me a break!
Posted by: Carol | October 17, 2006, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm