He’s Out, But Some Still Want Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges

I think Donald Rumsfeld will be remembered as the best Defense Secretary since Robert McNamara.

Puhleeaze!
I am no fan of the war. But,where were these guys when Saddam was doing worse – a lot worse?
Seems like selective memory to me!

The left won’t rest until they draw blood on someone in the current Adminisration. If they choose to go down that road,they might as well kiss “08 elections goodbye, people want to see what “great plan” they are going to implement now,not how may people they will waste time amd money taking down.

The big secret is out the Dems don’t have a plan for the war, for the economy, for healthcare. All they are going to do is get revenge for poor old Billy Bob Clinton.
This is for Ben.
If a terrorist was holding you captive and you only had hours to live I’d torture the heck out of him to save your life. And I’d be glad when you were found alive and complaining. Because we torture does not put us on the level of the terrorists. Now if we were sending our women into the Mall of America to set off suicide belts, or saw through the necks of innocent people then yes we would be on their level. Why can’t any one see the difference between the evil that are the terrorists, and us trying to stop the spread of that evil.

I don’t think this guy Michael Ratner, President of CCR knows what he’s talking about.

Rummy will just hide in Florida like Jeb did to avoid Texas law.
That’s correct, fellow Americans!
Seems IL ol’ junior Bush committed fraud in the Lone Star state, then escaped to Florida and then ran for governor.
Bush senior gave him Florida.

I would be more than happy to hand him over to them for trial.

WAY TO GO SPO!!! I couldn’t have said it better myself. Just wanted you to know you weren’t the only one who thinks that way!

Ha looks like politics as usual. rather than get going on fixing the problems we’re just going to spend time and money getting an eye for an eye. we changed the diaper before the baby was done and it still stinks.

If you think you can do a better job – submit your resume – it is always easier to critize than it is to come up with a solution of your own isn’t it? What about the civil rights of all the victims of 9/11 or those of Sadam’s victims? The fact they are filing in Germany says a lot – they don’t want to face the citizens of this country with these outrageous claims.

athere is general disconnect on the left when it comes to comparing right and wrong. The terrorists are not legal combatants and are therefore not entitled to the status of such under the Geneva Convention. Therefore, while you might want to condem the Bush administation for using harsh interrogation methods, it is NOT a war crime based upon international law.
Furthermore, to suggest that using such methods lower us to the level of indiscriminate, ideological, facist murderers shows that the poster is completely without judgment.

Serves him right – but they should waterboard first until he confesses.
And Republicans talking about how it’s gonna be in ’08? FUGGEDDABOUDIT. You obviously have no clue how it is in ’06.

Are we talking about coercive techniques or real torture? If we are talking about coercive techniques then we need to put a lot of people in jail. When my dad was in the army during Vietnam, soldiers captured during a war game would be “tortured” by our own guys. Anyone passing this “torture” got 2-3 days of leave. My dad only knew of one person who got the leave during his the time he was stationed there. One guy. ONE! Is this torture? Is it really? No permanent damage was done to these guys. Just mental stress and pain. Is that wrong?
People who think that stopping water boarding will make the terrorists more friendly or prevent us from dropping to their level have a distorted sense of morality.

like the germans have anything to say about war crimes,, remember teh nazis?

When Saddam gassed the Kurds the United Stated VETOED a UN resolution to place sanctions on Iraq. It wasn’t in the US’s interest to have sanctions at the time. Now that Saddam is going to face justice it is only fitting that a few of those who willingly aided and abetted him in his crimes swing along side him. And Rummy is near the top of the list!

I think this is baseless and I feel no shame at the US doing anything that is required to win a war and protect our boarders. Since they are willing to fight a not traditional war with us, I fully endorse any tactics needed to get information.

Bravo! It’s about time the United States was held to the same standards as the rest of the world! Why not file against the sitting president and his cabinet? They’re all guilty of war crimes!

Most Americans are deeply ignorant about what goes on during these secretive interrogations. We know prisoners have been turned in by jealous neighbors and kept for years without any charges on file. We also know prisoners have died during our interrogations. How do we know we have not indeed stooped to the level of the terrorists by killing innocents in horrific ways?

As an american, I could give a rat’s behind about what we have to do to get vital intelligence from terrorists. Terrorists target innocent civilians like me and my family. Any information that interrigators can get to keep me safe, I support. Terrorists are cowards and are lucky we are soft and don’t execute them on the spot (usually).
Rumsfeld went wrong by not going to war with enough troops to properly secure the country. He was stubborn and would not admit his failings. He stayed way too long and helped cause a historic shift in power in the US.

EVERYONE IS REALLY GOOD AT PASSING THE BUCK. TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE A RIGHT. I HATED HEADS ROLLING AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE BUT I STILL DO NOT BELIEVE THAT OUR TROOPS SHOULD HAVE BRUTALIZED PRISONERS. RUMSFELD SHOULD HAVE STEPPED DOWN A LONG TIME AGO, ALONG WITH BUSH. YOU CAN ONLY GET AWAY WITH INSULTING THE INTELLECT OF THE MASSES BEFORE IT COMES BACK AROUND TO BITE YOU. THIS WAR IS JUST ANOTHER VIET NAM AND I OPPOSE IT TOTALLY. I THINK THE ELECTIONS TURNED OUT A-OK.

Silly far left liberals like Ratner, who probably never wore a uniform in defense of his country, and doesn’t understand what it’s like to be shot at, would make the US the evildoers of the world. Get out of my country you damned traitor and move to Iraq. Go peddle your nonsense over there where they’ll make head cheese out of you. BH

so to defeat the terrorists we must become a little like them? Is that the answer? I think what you dont comprehend is a lot of these guys are innocent, it is hard for to determine if they are terrorists, so innocent people are being tortured. Also torture simply does not work, people will say anything to make it stop and you will being chasing false leads. It is proven the best way to gain information is to gain a relationship with the prisoner. Then you can get further information down the line because they do not hate you for tortuering them. You can work with them, they are humans too. Also David the situation you talk about very rarely woul occur. You do not really know if an attack is that inement. Who do we allow to judge an attack is imminet? But of course if you somehow know by the grace of god that an attack will occur in one hour unless you ruff the guy up, you are going to do it and no court in america will convict the interregator. But! you do not write this system of torture into law and let this become common operating procedure! Come on people have some common sense

My question is, Where was our American Supreme Court in all this? Lets get past the Geneva Convention,…no one follows those “guidelines” anyway,…
What happened to OUR American Constitution? I haven’t exactly seen Americans Protesting the decisions made by out Leaders, like in Vietnam. Just a few camp followers doesn’t count–Cindy Sheehan). It should be very embarrassing to Americans that it takes the Germans to bring up the War Crime issue against an American Leader.

So to defeat the terrorist we must become a little like them? What I dont think you guys grasb is we do not know if these people are terrorists for sure. It is hard to pick out a terrorist. Therefore innocent people will get wrapped up in this situation and tortured. This is where the American justice system thrives. You are innocent until proven guilty, you have a right to an attorney, you can defend yourself in court, and you are not tortured. This allows the innocent caught up in the system to protect themselves. Now some may say well this is war. Well this war never ends. There will always be terrorists. It is a war on terror like a war on drugs it is unclear and has no ending. The war in Iraq will end but new terrorist threats will appear, and so on… Are we willing to become a country of tortures to become a little more secure(probabl not more secure anyway). Also torture does not work! A person will say anything to get out of it. Studies show and gov’t officials say the best way to gain info is to build relationships, then you can even get info years down the line because these people do not hate you, remember they are people too.
And to David-
The ticking time bomb situation almost never occurs. You do not know when interregating that there is for sure an imminet attack. And in some case my the grace of god you did know they would attack in an hour you would ruff the guy up, and no court in america would convict you. But! you do not write this system of torture into law, and make this a systematic way to deal with suspects. Very bad things will happen! Lets all use some common sense. Is this really the road we want our country to go down?

This is something that needs to be said more often–
Yes, the terrorists are evil. Yes, they deserve punishment for what they have done. But when we sink to lying and torture, we make ourselves into terrorists. There are not levels of evil; evil is evil. There is no ‘us and them’; there is humanity.
Rumsfeld should be punished; saying that is not defending Saddam. Saddam should be punished; saying that is not defending Rumsfeld.
The world’s in colour, not black and white.

Saddam was a tyrant, but has anyone seen the 1982 photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand when he (Saddam) was our friend in Iraq’s war with Iran? Rumsfeld was President Reagan’s special envoy to Saddam. Did the U.S. seel weapons to Saddam that are now killing American GIs? Just a thought.

Wow, it must be nice living in such a simple black-and-white world.
I think we can all agree that terrorists are bad, m’kay? But the way the current Administration has dealt with this so-called War on Terrorism has NOT effectively dealt with the problem. In fact, it has made the threat of terrorism WORSE, no matter WHAT the government tells you.
Rumsfeld and company have committed war crimes – we’ve known this for years, but it’s taken way too long for this to hit the mainstream. Rumsfeld is one of many people, all the way up to Bush himself, that need to be held accountable for their massive failure to deal with the threat of terrorism effectively.
That does NOT mean that people who called for Rumsfeld’s resignation and Bush’s impeachment are “defending terrorists”. It’s not so cut-and-dry, black-and-white, and I really wish people would get this through their heads. The terrorists, whoever they are, are evil and I agree they must be stopped if we are to return to peace. But the Bush Administration is ALSO wrong and is doing a BAD JOB.
The Democrats may not seem to have a cohesive plan right now mainly because there’s such a HUGE mess to clean up, it’s difficult to know where to start. You try running the country sometime – let’s see you come up with a complete plan to fix the mess in just a couple of days.

Seems to me , most of you don’t get it at all, 25 years ago it was predicted (CIA) FORTOLD ,,, The next war would be waged by TERRORIST .
With all it’s military might and technical superioritys , They COULD bring any Country to a standstill, Cripling commerce , trade , travel . Esentialy Force that nation to PROTECT ITSELF WITH ANY MEANS AVAILABE . Our ememy’s ride Donkey’s , Camel’s,,hide in caves , KILL so patheticaly cruly and for no other reason but ” reports say the athlets were killed because they wore SHORTS ”
In our history books or what we have learned from our prev. wars , have left us with very little Relevant , Practical or Battle Stratagies that can be aplied .This Enemy has shown that with only a few dozen men it can stop a nation in its TRACKS .
Geneva Convention,,,Give me a break
. Did Bin – Laden and his buddies sign it? Abide by it.
They BEHEADED MEN & WOMEN right in plain VIEW Recorded to Throw it in the FACE of the WORLD POPULATION .
For those who think that the Methods used to Interogate the prisoner’s Deemed to be EMEMY COMBATANS ,,,look back in history
What Country has used such soft handed interogtion techniqick ..none,
im sure Most Millitary and College
Faterneties do worse to thier own pleges dureing Pledge Week.
While our enemy Shoots Unarmed Civilian Contractors , Beheading Unarmened Civilians , SO BOLDLY to Vidio tape it and dish it up on the New’s and Internett and I hear not a SHOUT ,,AMAZING..
all in the name of Ahla,,
A book called Onward Christian Soldier’s.. tell’s of the Millions that have Suffered Tourtured , Savagly Burned , Trown to the Lions , All in the name of God…
One man has delusions , he’s deemed to be Mentaly Unsound hmm
Millions suffer from delusions ,
they call it Religion..
One sentance summs it up really
nice , to our Enemy .You all Need to Evolve

Hello??? Did anyone happen to read this article? It isn’t the “LEFT” that’s wants Rummy tried for war crimes, it’s a group of former Iraqi detainees who were held in Guantamo Bay. If we gleaned such great intelligence from torture, we should have won this ‘war on terra’ a long time ago.!!

Alls I gotta say is my momma always used to say “If someone jumped off of a cliff, would you?” and for those of you who miss the analogy, when someone is doing something WRONG and/or stupid, it is NOT a justification for you doing it. Sometimes, just sometimes something is wrong because it is wrong….

Hey, Right Wing Whackos–
What century is this? I can not believe the ignorance I see on this page. The only argument I keep seeing people go back to is the hypothetical scenario, “if my mother, brother, sister, etc. was kidnapped”…. this is just lame. Of course we ALL love our families and would each take a bullet for every one of them, but you’re not taking into consideration that the info torture gives is rarely reliable. If you want to beat the cra* out of someone out of frustration, then just own that, but I wouldn’t want to do MORE damage for my cause than good. Not to mention that which others have also said–our record at identifying terror suspects has been shoddy at best. T

Ummm Mike, You say we can torture because we were attacked? So you are either saying we have OBL and are torturing him, or we can torture anyone who looks like him…so by your logic, a guy broke in my house and killed my dog, he was big and fat and white, do I now have the authority to “get even” with all big fat white guys? And I will say it again and again SOMETIMES SOMETHINGS ARE WRONG BECAUSE THEY ARE. Period. No justifications. No excused

I think it is important that government officials be held accountable for their actions.
Torture, secret prisons, and indefinite detentions without charge or representation. These sound like war crimes to me. Why should America be exempt from international law?

Of course Rumsfeld, et al, should be held accountable for their war crimes! Rumsfeld took us back to the dark ages. As an American citizen, I have been disgusted and shocked as to how complacent the American people have been over the last several years with this Administration. All you need to do is remember Nazi Germany and all the crimes committed against humanity performed in the name of “the better good” for their country. Haven’t we learned anything?

Donald Rumsfeld should be tried and convicted, along with Dick Cheney and George Bush, for war crimes. The hypocracy of these guys is unbelievable. They use claims that Saddam tortured his people as evidence of what an evil man he was but then turn around and do the same damn thing to people we have captured and try to defend it in saying they are just “trying to protect Americans”.
You can spin all you want and try to claim that “where is there compassion”. But if you make that argument I would love to see you volunteer to jump on board of 747, hijack it, and fly it into a building full of innocent civilians. I mean they did it right?

Accountability is a good thing. Closing the General Accounting Office in Iraq because they were exposing criminal activity in the reconstruction efforts and passing blame to the soldiers who executed torture orders from their superiors at Abu Ghraib is a disrespect to every soldier fighting over there. Considering all of the people who have paid for their lives, Americans and Iraqis, to hold no official accountable for the blatant mistakes in this war is criminal. The fact that it is even being debated shows how far this administration and the segment of America who support them have escaped rationality.

Handing Rumsfeld over is ridiculous and impunes our sovereignty as a nation. I would never be in favor of Americans being tried by any else but Americans. If he was handed over, people, you’d be violating his 6th Amendment right to a trial by jury in the state or district where the alleged crime was committed. Rumsfeld didn’t commit a crime in Germany so this is absolutely preposterous and even entertaining it is selling out on American Constitutional Guarantees. Let’s not even start how this could be a violation of Due Process.
What is this? Torture to to save thousands of lives is okay, but violating the Constitution is okay, because its Rumsfeld and you don’t like him?!? How absolutely crazy.
Torture…I would allow it exactly in the form Rumsfeld authorized it. Saving thousands people, it wouldn’t cause me to lose sleep knowing I and my family are alive because someone was tortured…remember, torture doesn’t mean the torturee is dead.

Everyone wants their pound of flesh one way or the other. War crimes – I don’t know – stupidity definitley – turning a blind eye maybe – have the wrong command structure yes. Having served this country during Vietnam, and knowing of what both sides dished out to each other – the ends never justifies the means. WE are involved in a Global War on Terror, but also involved in an occupation in a country that does not want us there. Excuse me the miniority in control want us to stay to protect them lest they be overthrown by a savage Radical Islamic group of warlords. WE have placed our youth in harms way – asked them to protect a fledgling democracy – seconded guessed any and all methods used to secure that democracy – no I do not condone torture, but I know from experience that when you are the one getting attacked with IED’S – make shift car bombs – suicide bombers – humans tend to sink to their lowest level – survival. It is easy for us to sit here nice and comfortable blogging away, and say sent them all to jail – until you’ve seen your best friend head blown off or mangled by a explosive device you cannot predict how you would act in the face of such an enemy. My only hope is that there will come a time soon that the Iraqi people will decide to live as civilized people, and take control of their own country, and say no to the Radical Islamic horde that wants to engulf the entire world in conflict. If you think that this is an ememy that you can win the hearts and minds of – you are dreaming – we need to stop making new ememies of those we simply suspect, and investing in real credible intelligence – not with torture or coercion, and not only on our own, but with our allies in this conflict, and when a really verified – confirmed threat is identified – eliminate it without mercy.

“I think Donald Rumsfeld will be remembered as the best Defense Secretary since Robert McNamara.”
I disagree. I think Rumsfeld is the best Defense Secretary since William Cohen.

It is interesting to see how “NOW” the government focus should be on working for the best interest of the people. What about the last 6 years? What about when those in charge where giving away our money (via tax breaks and policy) to corporate interest? I am no Democrat nor am I a Republican but, I am an American.
As such, I feel that we are held and should be held to a higher standard; as should our elected officials. We always put up our society as a model for the rest of the world. As such, we should have a higher standard for ourselves and those we “Elected” to represent (not govern) us.
In summation: if the current administration broke international law, they should be held accountable, we should not torture because, we are the rule not the exception, and as an American (not a representative of a party) I am more concerned with what is best for my country (I think longer term, what will benefit generations to come) not so much what is best for me in the present (this is what you term sacrifice, what our soldiers and their families are doing as you read this).

I’m sad to see that so many Americans are confused and misled by their own propaganda. Please note that the Republicans in power have very little to do with the family values and social status quo that the party officially stands for. Instead, I see a lot of people religiously defending the Bush administration because they were put in power by the political party that once upon a time had some nice points on their agenda. Not so anymore. Republicans of America, you have created a monster. It’s time that you correct your mistake and clean up your act instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting increasingly insane interjections.

During WW2 when Germany almost won the war; we were told “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”
We won through strength, not fear.
We also prosecuted our own war crimes when they happened.
We still know right from wrong.
We have our constitution to show us what rights are to be granted a human, to preserve our own humanity.
What was done to the prisoners at Abu Ghraib was inhuman, no better than German war crimes; now we claim they were not electrocuted. They were electrocuted and then some.
It is a well know fact, since the Spanish Inquisition, that torture does not provide usable information. Give me an live extension cord and I will have anyone confess to the 9/11 attacks.

We’re not in this war because Clinton didn’t do his job. Prove it! Where are your facts? We’re at war because were were mislead by an administration that took advantage of one of our nations greatest tragedies. They played with the psyche of the American people to push their Big Business agenda. Why do you think HalliBurton is getting Billions in no bid contracts? Yes…Billions of taxpayers money…YOUR MONEY. Your children, your grandchildren, their children will be paying for this war decades after it’s over.
Why has the reason we went to this war changed so many times? Because Saddam has WMDs…oops none there…because he was helping Terrorist…oops that was wrong…because Saddam was a bad person….ooops…we’ve killed ~100k innocent Iraquis…because Iraq wants to be free…oops.. we’re breading more Terrorist… because we want to spread Democracy…what a bunch of bull.
“I’m not a Democrat or a Republican…i’m an American, watching our beautiful country being hijacked by Big Business.
Everyone is in bed everyone in that group…doesn’t matter if it’s a Democrat or a Republican in the white house now…and it’s been like that for decades. It’s not our country anymore…that’s the end result of capitalism… It’s Big Business that runs the show. Bush….he’s just a pond…Rumsfeld-Cheney…just ponds…you and I…? we’re not even on the board…At least they get their cut. Someone needs to be held accountable… if my job performance was that of Rumsfeld’s i would of been fired years ago…
“God Bless America”

Germany can proceed with its trial. It will bring a lot of issues to light. America, however, should not hand over Rumsfeld. For the first time in 6 years we have a chance to reunite. Unfortunately, it is once again the result of having to respond to a catastrophe. Let’s take this opporunity to unify and set ourselves on the course to discourse. Killing more people will never be a solution. This is a war that will only escalate unless we come to terms with our enemy. Demolishing a people until they are virtually gone will never work as a long term strategy as it may have in the past. The only solution in a world of conflicting ideas and ideologies is coming to terms with one another with optimistism and reason. Many religions and ideologies differ in their practices, but as far as I can tell, the only way to co-exist without an endless war is for religions and societies to exist such that they allow others to exist. The first step toward harmony on a planet of many faiths is to understand one another. But this is only the first step. The motivations behind the violence in the world goes beyond conflicting ideologies to the desperate need of water, energy, food, and other resources. There is no other country that epitomizes excess greater than the United States and sadly, the majority of the 6 billion people in this community aren’t getting what they need to live. All eyes are on us. We look like fools killing people who are fighting on behalf of the underserved. I still don’t believe terrorism is justified. However, I do believe it was our wake up call to respond to a world in need of help. We don’t need to seek further retribution. We need to seek solutions. For the first time in history we can make the entire world a better place. But the only way to do so is to offer our help in such a way that we respect the miriad cultures of the world without being condescending or self-righteous. Our country has done many terrible things in the past, as have many other remarkable civilizations of the past. But let’s not loose this magnificent system that is capable of improving life to flaws that we aren’t willing to admit to. The solution for the U.S. is to find ways to renew its goodwill in the world–to be a leader in addressing the needs of the Middle East, Africa, South Asia, and right here in the U.S. People need their faith restored in a system that at its worst looks like it is robbing the poor and at its best is actually improving and increasing productivity. Now to deliver the products and services the world needs.

For you ditto-heads and Hannitized posting your pro-torture screeds here I’ll make it real simple: Torture is evil.
Torture is evil. People who torture are evil. People who give orders to torture are evil. People who support torture are evil.
There. As simple and black and white as any inanity broadcast by Hannity (or ‘Drug’ Rush).
You’re either against the evil-doers, or you’re among them.
Simple.

Rumsfeld has committed war crimes and should be punished. To bad if Bush gets away with it. Law and order is important. You can’t place yourself or your country abow that just because you feeel special. There’s a big stain on the american flag that needs to get washed off.

i really think that the new house and senate should focus on what will benefit the ordinary american citizen
the opportunity for change should not be wasted
things were badly done or not done at all
revenge or ‘bounty hunting’ is not going to improve the quality of life
that is what we all want need deserve and are entitled to
a better america

The demand here is that the United States uphold it’s global leadership role as an ethical nation of laws. This suit has nothing to do with juvenile, meathead Neo-conservative claims of “supporting terrorists.” We just had an election in which such silly lines of logic were resoundingly rejected.
This has nothing to do with terrorists. This simply has to do with upholding the highest standards for America.
The goal of all Americans used to be that America would be BOTH the strongest AND the most ethical nation in the world. It’s a shame that Neo-conservatives are cutting and running from the ethical half of that equation. But the rest of us will continue to aspire to things higher and better and more noble.

It has been proven that torture does not work. The CIA knows this. The FBI knows this. The DOD and the Pentagon knows this. So do MI5 and MI6. However, it is done anyway. It is done for punishment. The truth isn’t being sought. They are getting people to confess to things that aren’t true.
They’re getting the answers they want instead of the actual truth. That is all that torture is really good for.

What? We’re kidding right? We’re actually resorting to defending Rumsfeld by saying that Saddam was just as bad?! Damn. We REALLY HAVE given up any and all hope of ever catching a glymps of the much vaunted “moral high ground”, haven’t we? OK, well, I guess it’s reality-teaching time again, so gather round, all you Fairly Imbalanced barking salivating GOP thunder-monkees. Firstly, Saddam WAS tried for war crimes and he was sentenced to death, and secondly, if we DON’T hold Rumsfeld criminally accounbtable, just think of what the next bastard holding that job title – DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN – will try to get away with, knowing that he or she is 100% immune from any standard accountability?

Notice that decorated war veterans are always in leadership roles of the antiwar movement? And notice that mama’s boys and evaders who have never served in uniform are the ones shoving this war down our throats?
That tells the whole story right there.

Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are the biggest terrorists in this world. Get rid of them and we’ll have peace and stability. Republicans, get back to your fiscal conservative, isolationist selves and you will be re-elected. The commies in power will increase our taxes and we’ll be like Europe – 1 works and 10 sucks the welfare money.

Torture brings one end, ONE. The tortured telling you whatever it is he/she feels you want to hear, just so you will stop.

Wake-up people! Our beloved United States is the terrorist breeding ground that you all think we have been looking for. Leading the thousands strong terrorist group is G.W. Bush. He is backed by cold and calculating advisors and henchmen Senate and Congress. Our state and local governments ,oil and pharmecutical companies are the tribal warlords with armies of federal and state law enforcment soldiers armed and ready to stamp out any uprising or dissention.
Saddam certainly was only doing what was best and most profitable for his country and those in it whom he felt worthy and shared the same intrest…Just like Bush is doing for the obsurdly wealthy in this country. Bush and Company have most certainly caused more death and suffering worldwide than any other administration (except 3rd Reich) in history…all the while not once since Dec.7 1941 has there been a legitimate threat to our country.——–dont say the trade center. That was a few motivated individuals who happen to actually believe in their cause and were willing to die for it. You think Bush is willing to die for the War on Terror? You think our troops believe that they are protecting their country? NO..they are fighting for each other after being put in a no-win situation by their maniacal Dictator. Just like the Iraqi Soldiers. Difference is- Our terrorist leaders have supplied its troops with cluster bombs, laser-guided missles, GPS, etc…etc.. If the republican guard had those type weapons and U.S. troops only had AK-47′s, grenade launchers and a few tanks..would the U.S. then be considered terrorists? Ooops, I’m getting confused Saddam is not a terrorist, he’s an evil dictator. Right? The terrorist are in afganistan commanded by Osama Bin Laden? Right?…like i said dont mention 9-11, its forgotten along with Bin Laden who vowed to hurt us infadels and claimed responsibilty for the trade center attacks. Oh yeah, now I remember…off to Iraq to remove those terrible “terrorists” weapons of mass destruction. NOT…no WMD’s! no uranium! no nothing! Saddam had not caused the U.S. ,or anyone else for that matter, one second of trouble since he surrendered to clinton. His military was all but disabled. There were no Taliban or Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Now Hussein is going to hang……so should Bush and Rumsfeld and anyone else who can be proven to have invaded, un-provoked, another country and caused loss of life. Does anyone truly believe that this new democratic government in Iraq ( the one that is hanging Saddam) is what the people of Iraq want? NO those are not terrorists blowing up your sons and daughters every day!!! It is the people of Iraq who want their country back from U.S. They want thinks like they were not how the U.S. Government* and Christian church* think it should be.(*one in the same by the way) Oh well..been on a rant.
Before I go: If we assume that laws are made to protect people and their property. You know laws are for the people…right? Well …What is a victim-less crime?, and how can it exist? isn’t that an oxymoron? or sort of like an anhydrous ocean…?

HA! That’ll be the day that ANY of these neocons face ANY kind of charges, be it for war crimes, treason, illegally shoving thru a bill or law that is unconstitutional, etc, etc. I will bet my next 10 paychecks with ANYONE that NONE of the bush neocons are prosecuted, let alone convicted of ANYTHING. Whoever is thinks otherwise is delusional. Shrub will simple not allow it, or merely pardon anyone and everyone of anything and everything. DUH!!!

If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. Sadam went to trial for what he has done, if Rumsfield broke the law, he should pay for it. And, they should use the same intrerrogation tactics that he okayed to see if he confesses.

Few, if any of you, have one bit of truth in your possession to know what is truly going on over there or why this war is being fought. If you think the media is giving you any facts, you are also a fool. If you have ever worked at that level of government, you see things that would scare the pants off of the common citizen. And no decision is made solely by anyone. Did you know that the nations surrounding Iraq all quietly thanked us for eliminating Saddam? Do you also know that the new leader of Iran subscribes to a religion that says he cannot go to heaven until a war is waged with the West? Guess who that is. The war is being fought closer to the enemy right now, versus here. There are many, many dangerous plots in place as we speak, all waiting for the right time. I know that Rumsfeld is an honest and caring person. He is equally dislike in Washington because he tells the truth too much and shakes up the establishment. Be very careful with judging someone based on what you read in the papers. They are only showing you what fits between the advertisements. Lastly, it has become increasingly difficult to determine if my neighbor is an ally or enemy. Our country is filled with lots of opinion makers and few listeners who act. Time for that to change.

WE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY! WE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY! WE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY!
THEY LIED AND PEOPLE DIED!!!

For the worried american. The facts are plain as day, Clinton did’t finish what he started. You don’t have the facts. Too many people are buring their heads in the sand and not seeing th real problem TOO LIBERAL DEMOCRATS what joke. Let see them do something besides run there mouth

I can’t believe what I’m reading. Every blog I go to is the same old arguments. How can people seem to view every single issue so differently?

Where does the terrorists keep “our” P.O.W’s ?
Oh, I forgot… they dont, they chop off their heads. Burn them and drag them through the street.
Geneva convention? I don’t think it applies here!
I say blow them all to hell! and get it over with.
We won world war II because we had a President that was not afraid to use the weapons he had.
Our President needs the same type of courage today. I’m not talking going Nuclear here, we don’t need that.
We are the most powerfull nation on earth and have enough bombs, rockets, tanks and aircraft to get the job done but are afraid of “public approval”…
Our sons and daughters are dying over there, not for “our” country but theirs. Maybe they need to do a little dying for “their own” country!
ENOUGH!

Ironicly we ourselves have unleashed weapons of mass destruction in the form of continued agression against Iraq. We have created a level of hatred against our nation in the hearts of millions of people – it is our children that will now be threatened by those that grow with fear and hate of America. This is a fear and hate that this misguided and illegal war has spurred.
Religious fanatics that threaten those who do not agree with them with war and destruction?? I am talking about the Republican war machine and the discredit and shame it has brought to our nation. This nation is founded on free thinking and freedom of speech and thought – not on domination of the weak and using brutality against those who live and think differently from us.
God bless America and our victimized soldiers – our soldiers are not to blame – the blame falls on the self rightious leaders that have failed to do their duty and that have followed their own self serving agendas. Our men in arms and a civilian Iraqis population have had their lives sacrificed by misguided leadership from Washington.
It is time to end the hate and fighting and strive for peace both in Iraq, in the world, and in our own nation. Peace starts in your own heart. Let’s forgive our misguided leaders and replace them with those who at least try to foster peace.

The issue here is that under international law, everyone has rights… even the terrorists. An accord was signed, by us, and we didn’t follow it. Thats the case being brought here. Yes, its unfortunate what the terrorists did, but thats irrelevant. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Most arguments against this trial are that they did wrong first. We broke international law, therefore, we must reap the consequences.

Do you guys have any idea how many innocent people have died in Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction? I mean… they are jealous of our Democracy.The adminstration should be held accountable.Well their our self serving agenda. Our leaders need to be replaced. Starting with the Commanderin Chief.

I am happy that Rumsfield is out.
Yes, Rumsfield should face a war crime charges. He should be found guilty of a war crime. Donald Rumsfield was very disgusting man I ever seen. Showing naked men in Iraq. President Bush should also be facing a war crime charges for violating international law. It is wrong for U.S. troops to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. I would like U.S. troops to pull out immediately without delay.

Donald rumsfeld is punishable for what he has done,but he is only a scapegoat.The actual person(bush ) is still behind the curtian and is the main force behind allthese atrocities in iraq ,which led to the death of american soliders and innocent iraq’s

aw, torturing and exterminating terrorists make poor liberals gag.
poor babies, find a corner and do a few kumbayas…..

I think alot of you who are against the process used with these prisoners should remember 9-11, If it causes these men to talk about their plans of attack. Then go for it. Lack of sleep, and the rest have cause humiliation, but have yet to cut off a prisoners head. Let’s stop being soft on these people. If the USA is so damn bad, then simply leave.

arrogance => ignorance => incompetence

Univeral Law…? Puleez…. Oh, Rumsfeld will never be brought to trial. Nor would any country try to seize him (no smart country anyway)… Germany won’t… it needs our aid. Heck, most of the world needs our aid. You should also know that our Congress passed a law requiring our President to use military force to free any soilder, and government official, seized in one of the show-boat trials.

I keep hearing how the US is as bad as the terrorists……well, I don’t know where any American has chopped the head off some prisoner. It’s war and stuff happens.
Posted by: David | Nov 9, 2006 1:20:09 PM
You haven’t heard about oh, a black man being dragged by chain behind a truck? That happened right here in America just a few short years ago. You didn’t hear about a latin woman being dragged behind a truck until dead? Happened here in America, this year.
Geneva Convention? HAH! American “leadership” does as it pleases, or didn’t anyone notice?
Rumsfeld lied, not just in this war, he lied during the George Sr. admin. to begin the war back then. He is not a hero.
He is a serial psychopath in a suit and tie in a professional position with a sociopathic smile.
IF “Americans” had any morals or human life values at all Donald Rumsfeld should have been removed all together a long time ago. Oh yes he should be tried for war crimes… He performed it using troops of our children.

It seems there is little doubt lines were crossed but as to whether war crimes were committed I can’t say. If I had to take sides I would probably give Mr. Rumsfeld the benefit of the doubt considering the threat not only the United States faced but as events have proven, the world.

SPO, it is quite obvious that you neither have any basis for what you say nor are over the defeat suffered by the Republicans because of their own incompetence, stupidity, and corruption.
Let the trials begin! It will only serve to show the rest of the world that we do hold ourselves to the highest of standards – it will add to our credibility as a nation and eliminate a source of criticism from many nations, including our “allies.”
Cindy, I don’t know how you can bring up the money that will be spent on subsequent trials, are there to be any, given the pointless amount of time and money that Republicans spent on the Clinton impeachment because of him lying about his sexual exploits. Bush has lied countless more times about far worse things, but has yet to be put on trial because the corrupt Reupblicans have been in power.

Jon Q, your statement insinuates that attacks would have happened again had Bush not been in office. Aside from the obvious falacy in that argument, you are missing the fact that Bush knew about the attacks in advance and did nothing, so one could argue that the attacks happened in the first place because Bush was in office. (But, I cannot rightfully argue that because not all of the possibilities have been tested to determine that…)
I can argue, however, that attacking Iraq was not necessary to maintain security in America. The fact that we have to devote billions of dollars just to fix the mess over there that Bush helped create, including its own new cauldron of terrorism, should convince you of that.

What utter nonsense! This is akin to the Spanish Inquisition, 21st century style, fueled by yellow journalism, rabid leftist ignorance and sour grapes.
Ratner and his misnamed CCR are circumventing OUR OWN Constitution by filing their allegations not in the U.S., but in Germany, a country which has no involvement in the issues at hand, and certainly no judicial purview or oversight of American policies.
Germany has previously declined participating in this farce and will do so again. Ratner and his CCR ought to find something legitimate to take issue with that benefits America in order to get themselves in the press.

It’s amazing how out of touch the US is with the majority or world opinion.

Donald Rumsfeld — The man who told you that Flight 93 was shot down over PA? The man who said there were WMD and then said that he’d never said there were WMD. The man who addressed 3000 American troops on enemy territory, when asked why they were being shorted on essential supplies replied, “You go to war with the army that you have, not necessarily the army that you want.”? The man that involved in the controversial 1994 deal in which the U.S. agreed to provide North Korea with two light-water nuclear reactors in exchange for Pyongyang ending its nuclear weapons program. As he sat on the board of the company that won a $200 million contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. ? The man who on the last time saw Saddam Hussein,gave a cordial handshake. The date was almost 20 years ago, Dec. 20, 1983.
This all moulds in to form the man that he is..Rumsfeld is a swaggering bag of mendacious arrogance, a duplicitous chickenhawk, yellow-bellied bully-boy and tinker-toy Napoleon.

Ray – what the heck? that was my original post..

Bush attacked an innocent country. A criminal plain and simple.
AGAIN 9/11 HAD NOTHING HEAR ME
NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ
The torture, the deaths of hundreds of
thousands of civilians, Americans are criminals.

They don’t play by any rules set out by the Geneva Convention and Cheney’s group Halliburton has made billions of this as has Blackwater — THEY SHOULD ALL FACE JAIL TIME