An Uxorial Candidacy?
First things first: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is a hard-working, intelligent, and accomplished public servant in her own right. What I am about to say doesn’t contradict that a whit. But—let’s get real. Senator Clinton would not be considered a serious candidate for president–many believe–if she weren’t married to a former president. Should that make any difference? And does it tell us anything about contemporary American politics? Don’t get me wrong: I’m sure it’s entirely possible that a person with Clinton’s gifts and drive and inner toughness would have ended up at the threshold of the White House on her own. Her classmates in college and law school certainly expected great things for her. But it’s also true that there are many brilliant and talented and ambitious women in her generation who never rose to the heights Senator Clinton now commands. They were victims of the abiding gender discrimination in our society, or bad luck, or simply the vagaries of life. Presidential politics is in some ways like show business—it’s about the breaks. Senator Clinton got a big one—when she married Bill. Now, it’s become a kind of national parlor game to try to psychoanalyze the Clintons’ marriage, and it strikes me as quite pointless. Marriages, it seems to me, are essentially mysterious to outsiders—and sometimes to insiders, too. So it does not matter—and it’s none of our business—what the nature of the Clintons’ partnership is. What counts is that it is the main factor in the Democratic Party’s presidential frontrunner’s rise to national prominence. And should that matter? In one sense, it might. Dynasty is anathema to true democracy. Just because your dad was president, or your husband, oughtn’t to give you a leg up on everyone else. Of course, in real life, it does—and always has. From the Adamses of Massachusetts, to the Tafts of Ohio, to the Daleys of Chicago—lucky birth or marriage has been the fuel of many American political careers. Still, what seems like our current fascination with dynastic politics—will Jeb run? where’s the next Kennedy?—strikes me as fundamentally unhealthy. Is consanguinity or matrimonial relation really the best way to choose presidential candidates? Whatever happened to the old saw that any American kid can grow up to be president? Though, as Adlai Stevenson quipped, “In America, any boy may become president. I suppose that’s just one of the risks he takes.” Stevenson himself, of course, was the grandson of Grover Cleveland’s second vice president. Perhaps it was never true. But I can’t help thinking that the triumph of the feminist civil-rights struggle represented by Senator Clinton’s candidacy is a bit diluted by the simple fact that her path to power was launched from her marital bed.

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If Mrs. Clinton’s career was launched from her husbands bed does that make her qualified? (Reference Charles Gibsons question to her about Obama being qualified)!
Posted by: Edmund Jackson | January 23, 2007, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
From what I have read and seen, Mrs. Clinton isn’t all that bright. She is an outspoken first lady who has taken more advantage of the spotlight to advance herself than other first ladies. Unfortunately, the best and brightest do not seem to rise to the level of President of the United States anymore. It seems that the ability to be good looking while saying nothing controversial is the criteria.
Posted by: Ricky Sims | January 23, 2007, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Terry — Look, right now, women have to take whatever avenues are open to us. My personal woman favorite for president is Nancy Pelosi. Most likely, she will not run. Women have been vilified, attacked, and embarassed out of politics and out of running for the presidency. Please, let us have our moment. Hillary is not Bill’s mistress; she is his wife. She has paid her dues with her work and her life, as the rest of us have done. Deal with her on the issues and not on her dynastic attachments. I want all Americans to be willing to consider a woman running for president. I would prefer that it were a Democrat; however, all women should consider this job. Think back. If Mondale and Ferraro had won in 1984, the world would now be quite different (and, I may add, probably better off). That ceiling would have been broken probably in the 1990′s, and we would not be having this conversation. My blessings to the Bella Abzugs, Barbara Jordans, Ann Richards, and all the other women who have broken through barriers for us. At 55, I am still working every day to break through barrier after barrier – even ones put up by young people who do not know their history and why they have the advantages they have now. So, thanks for your article, but this is the beginning of a new millennium and a new era for women. We are only 40 or so years into the femminist revolution. Let us have our moment. Moreover, try to stop us! Regards!
Posted by: Karyn Posella | January 23, 2007, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
What makes her and any candidate qualified is the content of their character and the quality of their ideas and leadership. During Clinton I, we were told Hillary was a ‘co-president’ and that we were getting two for the price of one. From the last-minute pardons to a White House counsel so torn by what he had experienced that he took his own life, the facts are clear that the Clinton presidency was not one of our nation’s shining moments. It certainly does matter what kind of marriage the Clintons have. If you cannot respect your marital vows, the laws of the land and common decency, then why in the world would you want to make that person the holder of the power of the presidency? After all, you don’t make a thief a corporate treasurer.
Posted by: Mike Thompson | January 23, 2007, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
I personally fell that Senator Clinton does have the extra advantage due to the fact that her husband is a former President. However, Senator Clinton is extremely qualified. It is my belief that she would have risen to the occasion and become the presider of the Oval Office, it just may not have been this soon. Just look at the facts, when former President Clinton was governor of Arkansas, Senator Clinton chaired a task force to gain accountabilty test, and during his Presidency she was the chair of another task force for health care reform. In my opinon, she played a huge role in the administrations when he was both governor and president. Therefore, she is a strong, smart lady who is able to be the first femal President of the United States.
Posted by: John A. Horton | January 23, 2007, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Lets see, Hillary has 0 foreing policy experience. She would let islamic militants be on the offensive worldwide. She thinks its ok to stab newborn babies in the head with a scissors, then take a vacum to their brain. She would tax the living hell out of everyone, plummeting the economy down the toilet. Yeh, overall she would be great for the country.
Posted by: woman democrat? | January 23, 2007, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Hilary Clinton has been a congresswoman for many years. She has not done anything that we can see.
She supported Bush to go to war. Even now it is not clear where she stands. She’s from the “old school” very conservative, very stuck on their own ways. She’s a lawyer and she knows how and when to manipulate to get what she wants. Doing what’s politically and corporately correct!!
I do not trust her and the people she would be bringing!! We would have more of the Bush regime.. dictatorship! Only that she is a lawyer, smarter and more manipulative. What a scary thought!!
God Bless us all!
Posted by: Joao Troples | January 23, 2007, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Politics allows for many people to follow the status quo/this would create “common sense”..I think time has clouded Politics with somer “poetic” might/like the avengeing angel or devil..as Sex Lies and Video taspe might exude-Common Sense should see thru the “non-sense”..the Clinton’s Road to Glory is so much non-sense..Hillary Clinton speaks to really no-one/she attempts to play the Political FOG-Horn..she uses todays RESOURCES like Flea Bag..spreading the Political “itch”..looking for “scratch”..I think its a pitiful sight that the Clinton’s have dragged so much about America into their “slight of hand” imaginary TOPIC.
Posted by: MarkSM | January 23, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I don’t think that it matters how she got there… Hillary Clinton is a candidate to be the president. Now, she’ll have navigate the very rough waters to get there. Why she (or anyone else) would want this job is beyond me!
Yes, she may have come to the public attention because of her affiliation with another public figure. All the candidates need some level of recognition.
I fully agree with Terry Moran — we should not try to read into the Clinton marriage. Who ever knows? She is disciplined and strategic. The question, to me, is — does she have the charisma, intelligence, and strength to move us forward? That is the same question we should ask about any of our candidates.
I do believe that it’s high time we opened up the opportunities for more than just white males to lead the country. We are selling ourselves as a country short to think that only a white guy (which I am) can get us where we need to go.
But… let’s be honest. We can speculate that we might be a different America had there been female leadership in the past all we want. It’s all just speculation. What we need gather around is the notion that there are NO easy answers for anyone who leads this country. The easy answers were gone along time ago.
I don’t like her politics, but I love that fact that we can finally hope to recognize that presidents may come in all shapes and sizes, and genders, colors, etc.
We need to get real with ourselves. We want a human leader to have super-human, savior-like traits. That is not possible. We’re all in this together, let’s put our best people forward!
Posted by: Todd in Mississippi | January 23, 2007, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Restorations always end badly, be they instigated by Louis XVIII, Napoleon III, Adams Two, Eva Peron,Bush Two or Clinton II. When a democracy opts for a dynastic solution to its problems, the democracy is at risk.
Posted by: Ann S. | January 23, 2007, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Hillary for President? How can someone who rubs SO many people the WRONG way(me included) improve our growing unpopularity in the world. Also, has everyone forgotten the fact that the Islamic terrorist threat we are now under grew tremendously under the Clinton I administration. Has everyone forgotten the many many scandals and accusations that the Clinton’s were involved in, accused of?? The Clinton’s home state, Arkansas, has basically disowned him. I just can’t believe that we as a country would be willing to go through that again. God help us.
Posted by: Vicki | January 23, 2007, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
I believe that Hillary is qualified and would be a competent President. But I think that beyond competency this country needs a person who can bring us back together, a person who will truly be a uniter and not a divider. Because of her history and Bill’s the country is split with large percentages who will always either love her or hate her. So no matter how good she is the country will still be in two camps at total odds with each other. Edwards or Obama are the candidates that can be leaders capable of restoring the spirit, healing the wounds, and drawing us back to being one America.
Posted by: JimBob | January 23, 2007, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Barack Obama’s not experienced enough at all to be the leader of the free world–but if he can give Hillary Clinton a few sleepless nights, God bless him. Hillary Clinton would be the next “national nightmare” were people be crazy enough to elect her. Remember her health care fiasco? She has a string of failures–including her sham of a marriage–but some people will back her solely in the interest of seeing a woman in office. While I would love to see a woman be elected, it matters which woman gets elected! I urge people who think Hillary would be a good choice to think back on the Clinton years and her effect on them. Put it this way—Al Gore’s starting to look good by comparison.
Posted by: Joy O | January 23, 2007, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
I’ve been wondering when someone would bring this issue up. Why does no one worry about the fact that her presidency could be a ghost-presidency with Bill really the one in charge? Maybe that’s what has gotten her ahead in the first place: Democrats want to return to the Clinton “glory days.” Well, I’ve got news for them. Those glory days are long gone. If the Democratic party is to survive, they need someone with a vision for the future of innovative politics, not a nostalgic call o the past.
Posted by: Hilary L | January 24, 2007, 12:43 am 12:43 am
I tried to hardball Hillary tonight with questions. I agree with you Terry, I think that she is just lucky to have been a First Lady. But she just smoked me. Then I thought that I was going to nail that Barack whatever his name is, but he just slammed dunked me, oh no I am not a racist, and I nearly wet my pants. But I was just lobbing them to McCain and that mercenary general that are on our payroll. And McCain still didn’t sell this surge that I am pushing. God, you know Laura could run in ’08. That would be one great twofer.
Posted by: Charles Gibson | January 24, 2007, 12:45 am 12:45 am
Well, It’s nice to see Charles Gibson commenting on his own work. That’s a switch.
Posted by: George | January 24, 2007, 1:00 am 1:00 am
I would love to have a woman president. But Hillary Clinton? You mean the parties cannot come up with a better candidate?
She flip flops more on the issues than Kerry.
She is a weak human being and we have had enough of that. Whatever intelligence she is wasted on her immoral approach to citizens. (Bill had the same problem).
Why is it we can never get better Republican candidates than the Bushes and better Democratic ones than the Clintons? Are there only 2 families left in this country?
Meanwhile all the candidates that would actually serve the country never get the corporate backing or press time to be viable.
I am so sick of both parties and their worthless candidates.
This is why voters are apathetic and many never vote.
Posted by: End the Oligarchy | January 24, 2007, 1:22 am 1:22 am
First off, this is definitely true. If you look at Hilary’s advantages, they’re all tied to her marriage. Money, through the network and connections of her husband, near universal name recognition because of her time as first lady, and seeming inevitability because of the Democrats’ strong regard for President Clinton’s record in the White House. Sure, she’s smart, hardworking, tough, but none of those things would make her much more than a successful lawyer, let alone a Senator or a legitimate stakeholder in the run for the White House. She lacks charisma, she’s not a particularly warm or eloquent speaker, she’s diligent, but she’s not an amazing legislator. I can’t think of anything she’s accomplished offhand.
I also think is a legitimate stake both electorally and in terms of the Presidency. Firstly, Presidential campaigns are largely issues of the candidate’s character, and their life experience and family does affect how the voters assess that. Hilary will talk about being a mother no doubt, but having that kind of a marriage that seems like a materialistic parnership, adds to the cold and calculating persona, and some variant of that has been the kiss of death for Democrats in recent elections. Politician’s spouses are a minor part of how you come to see them personally, and her husband’s time as a President complicates all of that.
This matters for governing, too, because she maybe unable to truly speak to people and seem empathetic in terms of like ‘working hard and playing by the rules’, because for her it was also about connections, and so she can’t whine about how people don’t have lobbyists, and blah, blah, blah. I mean she has her childhood, but I think it does affect her ability to viscerally make others feel like she understands and cares about the interests of ordinary Amercans, who don’t have a spouse with a ton of connections.
Posted by: TeenageLunatic | January 24, 2007, 1:23 am 1:23 am
What america needs is not another 4 or 8 year president we need a true leader someone who will step up and lead our great nation for more than just a few years. We as a nation are so greatly divided how could we ever accomplish anything? I can tell you for sure that i dont think we need another clinton in the white house. She is not a leader we need a leader and the best one i have seen i believe is obama.
Posted by: michael | January 24, 2007, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Well, Terry, I have just arrived at your blog after watching you do your usual schtick on “Nightline”, and was delighted when you announced you have your own blog, and welcomed debate. “Ex-cell-ent,” I thought, rubbing my hands together — finally, I could write and tell you and the world what I really think of you and your disrespectful swagger.
I found the headline “An Uxorial Candidacy?” and wasn’t surprised to see you use a unnecessarily obscure word to imply superior intelligence. But I started to read the piece, and surprise! There was actually something that departed from the All-Bush-bash all the time theme of “Nightline”! Skepticism about Hillary’s organic qualifications for the Presidency! Acknowledgment that she would likely never have been a household word had she not been First Lady! Wow! That’s something I’ve only heard from national figures like Rush Limbaugh (who has repeated it since the early nineties and as recently as this morning) and Laura Ingraham!
However, as I continued to read, it occurred to me that here on your blog — sure to be read by far less than those who watch “Nightline” — is probably the only place you will feel free to admit your feelings on this topic. I think you know there would be (as 9/11 victim Barbara Olson wrote in her final work) hell to pay if you said in front of a camera what you have written here. The Clinton crony machine would come cracking down on ABC News the way it did on the entertainment division when they aired “The Path To 9/11.”
It’s a shame, Mr. Moran, because if you were this honest in front of American eyeballs and not just computer screens, it just might make fans of millions of news junkies who have abandoned the MSM for Fox News Channel in search of yang to balance out an all-ying diet served with a shovel.
I can honestly say that I am delighted with what I’ve seen of your blog so far. But I warn you, any backsliding will be noted with extreme prejudice. You’ve got a long road to hoe, pal. And as Murray Slaughter said of Ted Baxter in the series finale of “The Mary Tyler Moore Show,” “When a donkey flies, you don’t expect it to stay up for very long.”
Posted by: L.N. Smithee | January 24, 2007, 4:05 am 4:05 am
Why wasn’t there any mention or coverage on the Democratic response that spoke out about CEO’s outrageous bonus and compensation salaries vs. the employees and shareholders?
Posted by: Vivienne | January 24, 2007, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Note to Karyn Posella: I have lived most of my life in Nancy Pelosi’s district. Nancy Pelosi is not just an empty dress, she’s a see-through empty dress. She’s a cipher. She’s got the most secure job in America as a Democratic San Francisco congresswoman, and hasn’t campaigned for the seat in decades. Pelosi is all show and no go. Even if you hate Bush and Cheney with a passion, pray for them, because if something happens to them and Pelosi becomes the Commander-in-Chief…I don’t even wanna think about it.
Posted by: L.N. Smithee | January 24, 2007, 4:18 am 4:18 am
George W. Bush wouldn’t be qualified to be a County Animal Control Officer if it weren’t for his Father’s patronage (who’s own father was himself a US Senator.)
Many’s the US President who’s chief advisor occupied their marital bed. No one gets anywhere in this world without a lot of help from a lot of folks. Where would Terry Moran be without his family?
Honest Question: could any woman be elected President of the US, as long as there’s a voting aged man thinking of what goes on in her marital bed?
Posted by: Alan Deverest | January 24, 2007, 6:08 am 6:08 am
Whether it’s a man or a woman, Republican, Democrat, or an Independent, the simple fact is this: whoever is President is the Chief Executive officer of the US Federal Government and Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forcces. Almost intuitively, Americans elect Governers rather than Senators to be President. As most Americans know, a Senator has no executive authority and ultimately no responsibility for any VOTE they make – other than to their own political career. The last two Presidential elections the Democrats nominated four Senators to head their ticket. They lost. The last two Democrats to win the Presidency were both Governors. Bill Clinton, as Governor of Arkansas, had 12 yrs of Chief Executive experience prior to running for President.
So, is Senator Hillary Clinton qualified to be President? Consider this: Senator Clinton has never held an Executive or Chief Executive position in either the private or public sector, nor has she ever made a single political decision in which the results and responsibilities for a political decision has been hers and hers alone. Something a Governor or President does on a daily basis.
BTW: Senator McCain, Obama, Dodd, Biden, and former Sen. Edwards are all in the same category as Sen. Clinton. I don’t want someone sitting in the oval office whose first decision as President is their first Executive/Chief Executive decision in their life. There are many excellent woman Governors in this great country of ours who are qualified to move up to the Presidency. Take away Senator Clintons’ last name and fundraising ability – based on her last name – and all you have is a one-term Senator – from a state she never lived in prior to running for office -that lacks any concrete qualifications to be the nations Chief Executive officer and Commander in Chief of our Nations Armed Forces.
Posted by: Larry Miller | January 24, 2007, 8:20 am 8:20 am
Finally — a member of the media who is willing to speak against the travesty of another Clinton in the white house. Can you speak a little louder please and on primetime national TV?
Posted by: Kay | January 24, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Many of the people commenting here are so ill informed. To accuse the Clinton adminstration of ignoring terrorism is just plain wrong. Read some books people instead of letting blow hards like Limbaugh and O’Rielly fill you with hate. As far as bashing Hillary because of her marriage to Bill, I think that is just women hating in disquise. All across this country there are marriages between two equally smart and capable people. The fact that this couple took their skills and abilities to the top is a testimony to their own hard work and perserverance.Hillary came from a middle class family that was able to give her a great education and she has used it to dig and work for big issues that impact everyone. Isn’t that what we want our children to do?Bill came from nothing and got where he is by his own abilities and hard work. Isn’t that the American dream? After severe problems in their marriage she chose to keep her family together, isn’t that the “moral” thing to do? One thing we can count on if Hillary makes it to the Presidency is that she will not be afraid to hire the best and the brightest on every level instead of loyal toadies that know nothing except the far right dogma. That in itself would put this country way ahead. There would be no Katrina’s on Hillary’s watch.
Posted by: susan gibson | January 24, 2007, 10:38 am 10:38 am
This is for all the Hillary Clinton nay sayers. President bush said in his 2000 state of the union address and i quote, “we are a nation at peace with our neighbors”, 230,000 new jobs have been created in this country”, “welfare reform is working”, “we have a balanced budget”, “THE STATE OF THIS UNION IS STRONG”. Now i want those nay sayers to remember that it was the Clinton administration that made that speech possible for president bush to deliver.
There was a lady who mentioned that hillary “didn’t have enough experience”, “is only running for president because of her name” etc…..but really lady you should do some research. If you had you would know that FMLA which is the Family Medical Leave Act, was Hillary Clinton’s proposal, and Bill Clinton had really nothing to do with. If you read her book you will find all these details there. All you nay sayers must be rich, because during the clinton administration minimum wage was risen twice, health care became affordable for all americans, student loan interest rates were at their lowest levels ever, mortgage rates as well, oil prices reached some of their lowest points in history, the economy was strong as it had ever been in the last 50 years etc…..
Yes Hillary Clinton did not have much directly to do with all these great events that took place for us common everyday folk, but lets review the alternative. Right now we are in year 4 of the iraq war, there was 9/11, higher taxes, awful health care for senior citizens and veterans, hurricane katrina, FEMA’s lack of leadership skill, bad presidential appointments for the cia and homeland security, more cabinet members leaving the president’s administration seems like on a monthly basis, a highly educated and EXPERIENCED man who has sent another 25,000 troops to iraq to die.
So nay sayers you tell me, in 2004 whe had a chance to change things and 4 million americans (a record by the way) came out to vote and yet we put bush back in office, and look at the results. I guess you want 4, 8, 12, etc…more years of republican mayhem, but why don’t you give Hillary Clinton a try and let’s see if we have at least 4 years to see if we have things get better. Hey nay sayers? After that i think you will like her and give her 4 more years, and we once again will be talking about how a Clinton once again made this country of ours great again.
Posted by: Andre Edgerson | January 24, 2007, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Note to Susan Gibson, who espoused the hard-fought accomplishments of Bill and Hillary and suggests “There would be no Katrina’s on Hillary’s watch” – I’ll bet you would have thought there would be no Rwandas under Bill’s watch.
Posted by: L.N. Smithee | January 24, 2007, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
LOL. And our founding fathers had what experience in leading a revolution? Read your history books and read the books our founding fathers read. They did not ever want the political machine that we have today and they certainly did not want the President to be anyone other than an average American willing to server his country. The requirements of the Constitution are that you are born in American and be over the age of 36. So according to the constitution Hillary is a viable candidate. Whether we want her as President will be decided at election time. When I was five I announced to the world that I was going to be the first female President of the US. LOL. You could not pay me enough to take the job.
Posted by: Cynthia | January 24, 2007, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
To L.N. Smithee: I’m sorry – I must have missed when Rwanda became a state in the U.S.
Posted by: Rich Licata | January 24, 2007, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
I believe that Hillary would be great to run our country in a much needed direction. I also think that her marriage should be left out of this no one ask any of you about your marriages. As far as getting where she is cause of her husband, Bush is now there because of his dad everyone could say. I think she would be a wonderful first female president.
Posted by: CRYSTAL | January 24, 2007, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
“But I can’t help thinking that the triumph of the feminist civil-rights struggle represented by Senator Clinton’s candidacy is a bit diluted by the simple fact that her path to power was launched from her marital bed.”
Holy selective-advantage-bashing, Terry.
Considering how many senators and presidents – including our current wunderkind – have found their own path to the top having sprung from privileged male loins, this is incredibly offensive.
Women are as free to use the advantages of birth and life experience as any man. To expect any woman candidate, Republican or Democratic, to ignore the tools any man would use is disingenuous.
Women literally chained themselves to the White House gates for the right to participate in this process. Our candidates will fight as hard as any to advance those rights.
Martha Sterling-Golden
President,
Women’s Campaign School
Posted by: Martha Sterling-Golden | January 24, 2007, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
She’s more than qualified. Let it go and focus on the good she will do.
Posted by: Peggy Johns | January 24, 2007, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Well phrased Martha…that says it all.
These ingrained,inbred,double standard, male media talking heads observations go hand in hand with last nights insightful observations of Nancy Pelosi’s “Mint Green Suit” and/or dour expression!
We’ve got a long way to go!!
Posted by: Joan | January 24, 2007, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
I love how men take all the credit for their successes and half the credit for their wives. Whether the topic is parenting or politics, they seem to manage to take time out of their busy schedules to co-opt the “little woman’s” curtain call.
Here’s an article you’ll never see written by a man: “How HIllary Got Bill to the White House.”
Posted by: Donna | January 24, 2007, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Hillary’s most significant accomplishment is marrying well. Aside from that, she has done nothing of note on her own, unless you count her failure to reform health care in this country.
Posted by: Bobby Lee | January 24, 2007, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Rich Litata: My comparison of what we now collectively refer to as “Katrina” and Rwanda was inexact, it’s true. It was a gut reaction, and I should have thought more before hitting the “Post” button.
However, I would like to return to Susan Gibson’s entry, because she has forgotten the tumultuous transition period of the Clinton Administration. Wrote Gibson: “One thing we can count on if Hillary makes it to the Presidency is that she will not be afraid to hire the best and the brightest on every level instead of loyal toadies that know nothing except the far right dogma.” I agree about the “far right” part, but about not hiring “loyal toadies,” it is to laugh!
One of the first things Bill Clinton did was to fire every single U.S. Attorney with the exception of Michael Chertoff (Heckuva job, Mikey!) and Bill Bradley. One of the first things Hillary did was — according to sworn testimony of WH staffers — demand that the entire WH Travel Office staff be fired, to be replaced with a company run by her Arkansas pals, TV producers Harry and Linda Bloodworth-Thomason. In fact, testimony indicates that pressure was brought to bear to fire travel chief Billy Dale and his staff from Harry Thomason himself, regardless of the fact he had no role in the White House whatsoever. Independent Counsel Robert Ray wrote in his final report that Mrs. Clinton’s answers were “factually false” (although he didn’t feel enough evidence was there to charge her with perjury).
On top of that, after Dale was fired for “incompetence,” the WH apropos of nothing ordered his FBI files for review, an egregious abuse of power.
Posted by: L.N. Smithee | January 24, 2007, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
One more thing: According to her aide David Watkins, what was the real reason she wanted the Travel Office staff fired? His quote: “She said, ‘I have talked
to many people that have been in the White House before, and there are
just too many people, if you don’t have your own people in — there are too
many leftovers that can create and cause us problems.’”
But she wouldn’t fire the best just for nothing. No sirree.
Posted by: L.N. Smithee | January 24, 2007, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Hello?
Posted by: myasshurts | January 25, 2007, 1:42 am 1:42 am
Terry Its Funny U Have The Balls To Critize Anyones Qualifications After Chimpy. Corporate Media News Actors Will Be Remembered For One Thing. Cheerfully Standing Aside While Your Corporate Slavemasters Sell Out America, To “Human Rights, What Stinkin Human Rights” Communist China No Less!
Posted by: myasshurts | January 25, 2007, 2:07 am 2:07 am
Oh sure Susan Gibson, Bill didn’t ignore terrorism(?) He was totally focused on it in between phone calls and “meetings” with Monica and all the uproar that that caused.The last years of his presidency were all about the Monica investigation. Even his own staff said of Osama — “what could he do sitting over there in the desert”
Posted by: Kay | January 25, 2007, 7:50 am 7:50 am
OK, I’m what you might call, ‘a right wing evangelical conservative’ and you know what? I’m actually rather enouraged by what I’ve seen and heard from Sen. Clinton since her candidacy announcement–shockingly so actually! Yes, no doubt it’s politics and positioning to the T but, regardless, I’m amazed at just how warm and real she has managed to come across in her announcement and subsequent web chats the last 2 nights–whether genuine or not. I expected her to sound fairly smart-she has a good educaton after all, but I never expected her to be able to make a connection with a wider audience.
I have to admit I actually liked her! Mind you, I didn’t agree with one thing she said, but was thinking, “if she can make a connect with someone like me (who loathed Bill’s sleazy character and the whole Clinton fiasco, let alone her own postioning in that time), then there is real potential for her to swing independents and those outside her more feminist liberal camp. In that, I’m excited to see some energy she might bring to the table. I’m willing to hear her out and not judge her off of her husband’s personal record.
Ultimately, if she is not elected, it won’t be because America isn’t ready for a woman President–I’m convinced we are, but that she will be largely judged off her own merits. Will she bring big ideas to the forefront? What are her solutions to Iraq, other then merely capping the number of troops, and so on?
If she can truly reach out to “everyone” as she claims to want to do, then she too has to be willing to surround herself with people who aren’t going to mimic the tired refrain, no options for discussion on some of the major issues of our day, like abortion, etc. If she simply resorts to belittling those who genuinely arrive at different conclusions, but can go beyond the formulaic tryp dished out in the media with what makes a conservative ‘conservative’, etc, then I believe she may be able to make it.
However, with all that said, even with his inexperience I believe Sen. Obama has the best shot of ascending to the top of the Democrat’s primaries. Why? Because he comes across as a man of ideas. He offers something different, and most importantly, he seems more genuinely able and wanting to reach across the divide and unite us rather than merely rally his liberal base against all the apparent “evils” and “stupidity” of the conservatives. I have great confidence in him, even though, like Hillary, I don’t agree with his politics.
One final note: personally, I don’t want to see Hillary win, aside from anything else, because it makes me feel sick thinking of Bill back in the spotlight and enjoying even more the bennies of the Whitehouse, and this time without actaully having to be ultimately responsible. Yes, he will give his input and, contrary to what Democrats think, the economy won’t blossom again as it did prior since he was merely riding the wave of prosperity generated by the dot com industry, in spite of himself. I think all this allure the Clintons hold with their base may well be tested if Hillary steps up to the plate, and the country doesn’t actually get any better but even more divided’–and with Iraq left in shambles, the world watches the aftermath and then the energized enemy reorganzed, regrouped (this time in Iraq) and coming back out after us all the more than before.
Posted by: Duncan | January 25, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Duncan, I am a right wing evangelical Christian too and because of that I would never have good things to say about someone who is pro choice(Hillary), no matter how warm and fuzzy she appeared to be. She calls it pro choice, but I call it murder. (Incidentally, Mother Teresa called abortion murder as well.) I simply cannot endorse a candidate who thinks it’s “OK” to kill the most innocent and defenseless of our society.
Posted by: Vicki | January 25, 2007, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Vickie, understood and I wholeheartedly agree about the abortion is murder point. I’m not endorsing her per se, merely stating that I think she has done remarkably well in projecting a better self–whether real or not. I was just surprised at how well she did it, that’s all.
Posted by: Duncan | January 26, 2007, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
I think Hilary is an articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy…….I mean, man, that’s storybook….
Give me a break. The main reason Hillary is a serious candidate now is how bad a President Bush has been. Otherwise, no one would take her seriously, most of all because of who her husband is.
No, she may be prominent and able to be a commuter Senator ala Kennedy because of her name, but she is a serious candidate for president in spite of Bill, not because of him. Being a lefty woman who may have some sense of how to govern(it remains to be seen)puts her in stark contrast to the supposed conservative “suit” who is in there now. But, she should at least need the psychological testing a NASA astronaut would get first………
But, let’s hope the Democrats can put up somebody the “conservative” spendocrats can’t tear down as easily as her.
Posted by: Montresor | February 9, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
If you want to see “spendocrats” look no further than the Hollywood liberal elite!
Posted by: duncan | March 2, 2007, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm