Dead U.S. Soldier in Anti-War Video ‘Alive and Well’

Are you sure that video wasn’t posted by Cindy Sheehan and some of the Democrats?

and to think that a liberal minded person would take al-jazeera’s word for it before our own military. our enemy knows how to use the liberal mind for their benefit by fabricating things like this but some will still live in denial as to who the enemy really is and how dangerous and desperate they are.

I bet the anti-war people are upset, nothing will brighten their day up as a dead soldier; something they can claim as their call, but the reality is they hate the troops as much as they hate the country.

So much BS! The Pentagon Propaganda campaigns on the US Home Audience are so stupid, but Americans believe it. UBL who?

We need to fight fire with fire. We have to beef up our response to this type of propaganda. And the most dangerous problem right now is the fith estate.

The voice sounded an awful lot like Dick Durbin.

How interesting it is that there are no comments on this artical. If this was a true event, and our soldiers were proven to be murderers, rapiest and the rest, you would see this on every left wing blog in the world. Thank God this soldier is alive. I pray this story didn’t cause his family or friends any distress. This should magnify what dispicable people are fighting against us. They will go to any lenghts to defame our fine young men and women in the Armed Services.

…what I find most interesting about this story is that there is fundamentally no difference between propoganda from an “insurgent” aka follower of the radical Islamic cult & their agenda and what we see every day from the liberal mass media & their agenda. Both camps are desperate for U.S. failure in Iraq & know that a campaign to demoralize Americans against the effort represents the most critical field of battle.

No way….you mean that al-Jazeera isn’t telling the truth? Holy Crap…that’s where out media sources most of their information.
Strange how our public here is ready to believe a network that does this type of thing before they believe the word of their own country.

With the widespread availability of computerized editing software, people should not be surprised by the concept that psychological warfare is no longer the sole proprietary of funded government militaries.
What is surprising however is that I do not this film was designed to recruit internally for insurgency but is quite obviously aimed at the populace of the West. However, I think a language and cultural barriers have made for a less than authentic propaganda piece. Who would say “The marijuana-rolled cigarettes” for instance?
People learn from their mistakes and it’s scary to think that we will probably only see slicker productions of this nature in the future.

What’s the difference between this and CBS 60-Minute story on Pres Bush’s reserve service? Looks the terrorists learned well form CBS and all the other ‘news’ sorurces in the US.

It’s amusing to see people making a false analogy argument that since insurgents release anti-war videos and “librals” [sic.] also have some anti-war opinions, ergo liberals are in some ways analogous to the terrorists.
Apparently it is now true that if you say anything against the war or US policy you are “just like the terrorists”.

The arab world is full of misleading lies, to conform its sheep like people to follow thier insane leaders. This just shows how bias and motive driven the al Jazeere network is. Although the suppressed people of the arab world live under these false-hoods, with out question.

How interesting indeed! Some good news for a change copming out of Iraq and what’s the first message on this particular thread?
“If this was a true event, and our soldiers were proven to be murderers, rapiest and the rest, you would see this on every left wing blog in the world….”
Conservatives whine and moan about the “MSM” only concentrating on the bad stories, then say they make up stories and people out of whole cloth, as was the case with Michelle Malkin and Iraqi Police Captiain Jamil Hussein and then when it turns out the person is real, they refuse to apologize for their absurdity, and then whine some more whine good news comes out.
Well, at least conservatives are consistent in their selective outrages.

Al-Jazeera??? That little film ended with a voice-over: “This B.S. paid for by friends of Pelosi”!!!

Huh, John, not all who claim to express a voice of dissent over the war are terrorists but those who do are aiding the enemy. It is exactly what the Islamo Fascist enemy is hoping for. Divide and conquer. This enemy has learned well from the Communists in Vietnam. We cannot allow them to succeed again. 3000 dead Americans in NYC!! Isn’t that enough to convince you the states are too high to lose?????

Huh, John, not all who claim to express a voice of dissent over the war are terrorists but those who do are aiding the enemy. It is exactly what the Islamo Fascist enemy is hoping for. Divide and conquer. This enemy has learned well from the Communists in Vietnam. We cannot allow them to succeed again. 3000 dead Americans in NYC!! Isn’t that enough to convince you the states are too high to lose?????

There are so many gullible people in the United States who believe this. However, I do no fault the igorant 13th century murderers the US is fighting, I blame Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Dick Durbin, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Russ Feingold and all the other assorted anti-American liberals rooting for the enemy. Their words have power as we have seen repeatedly.

What about all the lies the US Governement has been telling us all about this WAR? What about their propoganda. What about the “clear and present danger of WMD” that was all BS too, how different than this?

Propaganda by the left wing media? Why don’t you people get off your high horse and try watching something other than Fox News for a change. Everyone knows that that channel is a joke. Liberals may be against the war, but anyone who believes that liberals WANT us to lose, clearly is mis-informed and shouldn’t be making any comments whatsoever. The fact is folks, the white house is trying to paint this cheery picture that everything is going swell over there but the reality is that this is Vietnam all over again. In fact, Military Times (try using the “liberal media bias” bull on this one) did a poll and found that only 1/3 of troops actually support Bush. WAKE UP YOU SHEEP!

This just goes to show how desperate the jihadists and insurgents are to get us to pull out of Iraq. Anybody who thinks our presence there has been some kind of boon for them, or otherwise welcomed, should read this and think again.
We need to keep our nerves about us and see this thing through to success. I think it’s closer to our grasp than most people realize.

Just wait…. I’m sure they’ll start running the Clinton 08 adds soon.

How disgusting it is that the Democrat leaders and the media embrace this propoganda for their own agenda and ambition. It works because many Americans are far too easily manipulated, and never even know it.

Leave it to ABC to start fires and then throw gas on it. Does anybody wonder about ABC now and then?

Well skidog, when liberals insist on calling Islamo-fascists “freedom fighters”, the victims of the 911 attacks “little Eichmanns who deserved it” and America “the Great Satan’ – what the hell are we supposed to think about where your loyalties lie?

What a remarkable amount of ignorance here. Equating opposition to this war with “rooting for the enemy” is pathetic. So, now 70% of America are “rooting for the enemy?”
Wow, the enemy makes propoganda — that’s not news. They screwed up. That’s not news either, but it is interesting; and nice that this soldier’s family isn’t suffering the loss that more than 3,000 other families have since we went into Iraq with a passel full of lies.
Our gov’t has tried the same thing from time to time too. The Lynch rescue was overstated from the beginning, and the family of Pat Tillman are still seeking answers as to why the story of his death was fictionalized by the Def. department. It’s all, sadly, to be expected.
But what I never expected was how some people can still look at a war that we were told would take “weeks, not months” (Cheney) thanks to a “slam dunk” pile of evidence (Tenant) that would end fears of “mushroom clouds” as smoking guns (Rice) — yet three years later, we have nukes in North Korea and Iran, all the evidence was wrong and the war is still going on.

It’s amazing that we in “the west” seem to fall for this kind of terrorist propaganda so readily.

Al Jazeera does not always tell the truth? Say it isnt so?

the full film can be seen on youtube look

I think Al Jazeera’s reporter on this story was Dan Rather. He does such exceptional work these days.

Jaque, it is actually “Democratic leaders”, not Democrat. I have not seen where the “media” has embraced this propoganda, let alone for its own agenda and ambition. Maybe you could give some specific illustrations of your accusations. It would be much more sensible if everyone actually took the time and energy to get real news, from true news sources. Reading an occasional newspaper, news magazine, watching PBS etc would give one a more realistic view of what is really happening in the world today. Propaganda is a pretty common tool used during war time by all involved. It is up to the reader to find out what it truth and what is not. That principle should also apply to our everyday practice of learning about what is going on in our own country, and not allowing someone, (ie political party) or a media machine to brainwash us into believing what they want us to believe to fulfill their own agenda.

Our military men and women are doing a great job. It’s their commanders who are failing. No matter how much you want to blame the media — and boy, you all sure seem to want to — the war is a disaster. It should have taken weeks, Cheney said, but it’s been years. They are killing more than 3,000 Americans with bombs that use munitions gained when we didn’t secure the ammo dumps. The government there is controlled by the man (Sadr) who waged war upon and killed dozens of Americans in 2004. You can claim we are winning, but there is no objective voice in the world that would agree. Forget whether the war was just, the fact is, the war planners are failing you.
Those of us against this from the beginning aren’t rooting for our troops to lose. We want them to win, we want them to live. We want terror fought — but know that Iraq wasn’t the place to do it. And look — Afghanistan is getting worse by the day, UBL is still on the loose, and the Iraq war still seems without end, without a specific definition of victory, without even proof that the vague strategy we hear of (stand down when they stand up, free democratic iraq, etc.) is working.
Why the 30% folks still blindly attack war opponants instead of being the ones LOUDLY demanding better tactics and a clear victory is beyond me. You should be angry. The rest of us, we’re just tired of being proven right.

How do you equate identity theft with Jessica Lynch? That says a lot about your mind-set. You’re willing to make the Jihadists morally equivalent to the Pentagon. You probably don’t really want us to lose, you just don’t care if we win. After all, what’s the difference between the Pentagon being run by Donald Rumsfeld or by Mullah Omar? They are both ‘bad’ people.
The real problem with your thinking is that you believe we can sit down and talk people into wanting peace, that don’t. I prefer not to negotiate with someone who insists on calling for my destruction and has punched me in the nose once already.
In my opinion, our policy should be simple, if you insist on threats and have the means to carry them out, we will take you out first. That goes for Ahmadinejad and Chavez as well.

I’m sure Dingy Harry and Nancy Pelosi created the video.

so, why provide links to the video? doesn’t that help propagate the lies?

Mike Jones
Our founding fathers were not liberals as defined by todays standards. They believed in low taxation, freedom, freedom of desent. They also believed in the right of property and laws, something todays liberals do not understand. Welfare, social security, medicaid and all other social programs are products of liberals and do not in any way conform to what our founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the Declaration of independance and bill of rights.

Cindy Sheehan’s group needs to rethink what they are doing. If they really care about the soldiers, How about sending the soldiers body armour or care packages, or add on armour for the Humvees? You cannot protest the war and support the soldier, didn’t she learn anything from Vietnam?
needs to be prosecuted for

wow- did nobody tell the cons that they and their war-mongering have been rejected by the American people?
The only losers still espouting the virtues of this war are the same “angry white men” who think everyone on welfare is a fraud and that slavery had no impact whatsoever on modern America, ie DITTOHEADS. Shakespear couldn’t come up with this funny stuff- the US is filled with uneducated idiots who listen to an uneducated radio entertainer and claim it is news!! YOU”VE BEEN CONNED!

whoa,
Here is the Liberal agenda and has been since Vietnam your cause celebre:
1. for us to lose so the Liberals can obtain and hopefully keep power. In other words your hate for the President overrides the hate for the Islamic Fascits who you support btw weather it be directly or indirectly.
2. Your main goal is to see Capitalism, Christianity and the American way of life crumble so you can have your dream Communist country.
btw Al Zarwahiri thanks you and you cohorts for voting for their preferred party (Democrats).
I dont care if we pull out troops out of Iraq at this point I say we pull our troops out of all foreign countries now and put them on are boarders and stop all immigration today.

Who is the AMERICAN TRAITOR who provided the voice-over for this terrorist propaganda video?

This obvious propaganda is hilarious! In my 43 years I’ve never seen or heard a twentysomething young soldier speak that way. Keep up the fight and don’t let the enemy convince you to do anything else. Thanks to all of our young soldiers. An old soldier.

You people are so filled with hate and lies that reading this is disgusting. You havent found anything like what you promised but that doesnt stop you from sending in more and more troops to continue the lie and it doesnt stop you from displaying your total lack of concern for anything other than bashing Democrats and just about everyone else in the world that recognizes your ignorant rants for the lies stupidity they are..

It seems that those who favor war are overly enthusiastic about one person being found alive..After we’ve killed 650.000 Iraqui’s, etc.
The latesxt news on deaths related to Depleted Uranium is that the toll from Iraq war 1 and 2 has now reached 11,000 plus DEAD! tHOSE ARE OUR FELLOW gi’S KILLED BY OUR USE OF NUCLEAR MATERIALS..GET HAPPY ABOUT THAT!

I guess it’s time to redeploy from Afghanistan and Iraq. What could be more efficient than both forces meeting at the halfway point, right in the middle of Iran?
We better kick the mullahs out before the 2008 elections. If god forbid the dems gain the White House, they will permanently destroy any credible deterrence we ever carried, and mark us forever as the nation with no stomach for fighting tyranny.

What’s ironic is that some people think catching al Jazeera blowing a story means that suddenly everything they say is a lie, and everything America’s corporate media says is true.
There are plenty of liars on all sides, and even more fools to believe them. Am I wrong about that?

If there had been acutal lies going into the war maybe the foreigns (France, Germany, UN) and local media and congress would have brought them out. Oh, but the French&German echelon and UN were making millions from Hussein’s oil options! And the different investigators here and abroad – and the UN – admitted there were WMDs and nuclear research facilities in Iraq. The NYT recently published the classifed documents from Iraq that proved the nuclear program! The UN inspectors from way back had REGISTERED the mustard gas, sarin, etc – check UN site for reports! The inspectors had been requesting confirmation of destruction of loaded warheads, which Hussein wasn’t providing! Duh- he was stockpiling, testing on innocent villagers and then shipping to Syria – all in Iraqi documents, if you just read!
And about the claims of losing, read the Iraq blogs, from the Iraqis themselves – every city that is reopened, every hospital and newspaper and school where people can walk safely is won. The Iraqi war WAS over in weeks – because the war on Iraq was to depose Hussein. The war on terror will go on and hopefully be more successful than the sham war on poverty, and hopefully will be fought more on foreign soil so we can keep walking our own streets without armed guardsmen at each corner.
Back up and look around objectively, where you are and where the rest of the world is, then pick where you want to live and think about why. Why is it better and how did it become that?

If any of you conservatives would have read the article, you might have noticed that the video appeared on Websites and Al Jazeera, it was that damn left leaning media outlet ABC that found the soldier alive.
Marc, just wondering where you’re serving now, since it’s everyone else who doesn’t have the stomach to fight tyranny, where you fighting it at? Let me know where to send you a care package, and I’ll be happy to ship you something you need to make your fighting a little more bearable at least.
(Unless of course, you aren’t actually fighting anywhere, other than on the Internet from your comfy chair.)

Al Jazeera is little more than an arabic speaking CNN or FOX. It’s not a propaganda machine, in fact it is much more reasonable and international than anything you will see on CNN or FOX.

ArmyMedic: When you can find and diffuse those weapons of mass destruction that you’re over there to prevent from falling into the wrong hands, you’ll know your mission wasn’t in vain.
As for joining up, I’ll be happy to when there is a cause I believe in, like say, finding Bin Laden, where’s he at these days? Wasn’t he the reason we were going to war?
You’re a tool for the liars in the White House, and those who threatened the republic are hiding in a cave somewhere while you went to hunt those who threatened to assassinate Bush’s dad.
Saddam is dead, even though he didn’t help Bin Laden, even though he had nothing to do with 9/11, even though he apparently was a stabilizing force in the Middle East. Was he a bad man, sure he was, did killing him make it all better? I’ll let you answer that, you’re the one treating the wounded and dying over there.

‘If any of you really cared about the soldiers…’ blah blah blah makes me sick to my stomach. First of all, ‘we’ don’t send the soldiers. The soldiers are volunteers knowing full well what they are getting into. The problem is a lack of understanding history and knowing the ramifications if the U.S. left Iraq. Just look at what happened in Vietnam, Cambodia, Russia, etc. after the U.S. military left. This type of war is very difficult to win quickly especially when Iran is supplying the insurgents. When you have 80% of the media pounding you every single day of the negative stuff that goes on in Iraq (U.S. military deaths) and nothing positive, of course the population is going to not support the effort after four years of the media’s Bush-hating slant.
Anyone with a little bit of intellectual honesty knows that this war is complex and not an easy cake-walk. The implications of a U.S. loss would be hugely detrimental to the peace of this country and any possible stability in the Middle East.

I am deeply surprised and concerned at the replies on this blog. Calm yourselves. Think rationally. Attempt to understand each other, instead of demonizing each other to justify your lack of logic behind your own opinion.
Answers to a few questions in the brief time I have-
Whatever happened to the saying loose lips sink ships? Nothing really, other than that it doesn’t apply here. Any citizen commenting on the specifics of troop or munitions movements should be punished – this was the source of the saying in the Great War and the Second World War. Discussing the reasonability, needs, and morals of a war, however, is an entirely different matter. We are a nation of many people with many opinions – that is our greatest strength. However, that strength is abused and emaciated by those who insist discussion is unpatriotic as much as by those who claim that discussion is against the will of Allah. No detailed strategies or positions are given out on the news – that is illegal, and would be stopped immediately. Summaries of progress in Iraq, i.e., that a push is being made in Baghdad at the moment, is felt far sooner by the insurgents in Baghdad than it gets on the news.
Murder and car accident stats guy – We’ve got a much, much, much larger country. There’s something called per capita rates. Try looking those up.
And to the two or three who said you can’t support the soldier and oppose the war – yes, you can. I’ve made care packages, chipped in for a Kevlar vest, and actively protested the war. There’s a a big difference between supporting the average Joes who join the National Guard to get an education and supporting the schmuks that lie to America so that they can send people they don’t give two hoots about to foreign soil to support their own interests – whether it’s business interests or an ideology that America doesn’t support.

I just don’t understand how so many people that support war and capital punishment can be so opposed to things like abortion or stem cell research-killing is killing.

hahahaha.
that video was garbage….

IM Snooping: We need to keep our nerves about us and see this thing through to success. I think it’s closer to our grasp than most people realize.
Aaron: In my opinion, our policy should be simple, if you insist on threats and have the means to carry them out, we will take you out first. That goes for Ahmadinejad and Chavez as well.
John L.: You people live in the world of the bizzaros. … Let us fight these idiots over there…
What great patriots! I’m so glad to hear that each of you has decided to enlist in the U.S. Army – your local recruiter can’t wait to hear from you. Send us a postcard from basic training – and then from Baghdad a few months later. Be sure to “keep your nerves,” and let us know how “taking out” the “idiots over there” is going.
Chicken hawks. Why not join the cause you so strongly support? In a time of “sacrifice,” you’re willing to sentence REAL patriots to a a year’s hard time in Iraq, but refuse to make any tangible personal sacrifices yourselves. Your ignorant support for this war and your couch-potato patriotism disgust me.

Its good to see Al Queda has evolved to a new Hollywood style. Now I might could enjoy the endless stream of unnewsworthy crap that the media jumps on and exploits. Somebody please kill these jerks.

“Hi I am Joe Republican, I can find small inane instances within the media to justify my never ending love for a failed president and his policies. If only we could send MORE troops to an obvious mistake of a war that has cost us thousands of American lives, left a country in shambles,left hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, torn open huge sectarian rifts between a once proud united nation(albeit one run by a dictator), cost American tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, allowed war profiteering mega corporations to bilk the americans out of more tax dollars, given fuel for the limited and small extremist groups to question the U.S role in foreign policies, allowed average arabs to question our intent within their region, established another base of operations for the growing islamic extremists, caused divisions within our nation, balked at questions about the war, 9/11, and other occurances where cover ups and lies were involved and lambast patriots who question such things, blame one political party for foiling all their utopian dreams of creating a democratic world where weapons of mass destruction help people from evil weapons of mass destruction, imprisons people without provocation, without warrants, or charging them with any law violations; for large amounts of time, if only we could spy on people without warrants or do it secretly, if only we could just build giant walls around our country and defame anyone who does not act or look like “us”, if only we could do all this and send even more troops to Iraq and further the ruination of our great nation that is overly obsessed with being the “greatest” when it has trouble even being a good country. ”
oh, wait we can.

Another failed propoganda ploy in Iraq by the terrorists. Maybe Liberal leaning News will change the name used to characterize terroists from “Freedom Fighters” to “Freedom Liars”.

I think some people need to realize just because you are against the war.. does not mean you are a liberal.
I choose not to drink the kool aid and follow either political party which has failed us.. our government consistently fails us .. over and over and over again.. it fails the world.. it fails all humans on this earth by using its money, power, and weapons to bully everyone around it in order to preserve it;s place as a global empire fueled by it’s military industrial complex..
when you use the well the democrats voted for the war.. blah blah blah.. all you do is take critical thinking and flush it down the toilet..
who cares about the democrats.. they are losers and most of young america has finnaly realized that…
and most of america is so apathetic to politics in general.. no one cares what either party says because frankly they are all liars.. so go ahead and keep voting them in and yelling at eachother.. it is doing alot.. and please keep spouting talking points.. its so refreshing

Democratic Free Nations DO NOT Execute their citizens, only ONE Western Nation still does that;
The USA, the most violent nation on the planet.
The highest murder rates with the highest number of its own citizens in prison.
Rampant racism and classism.
Extremely high rates of poverty; higher than some South American Nations and Cuba.
40 million without access to healthcare.
Increasing illiteracy rates.
Increasing debt.
G-d Bless America; You need it; badly.Before you waste anoth TRILLION dollars on illegal wars, murdering women, children, and babies you should bring Democracy and Equity to your own nation.
I would rather be Anti War and Politically Correct than be the opposite: PRO war and Poltically incorrect, if the former makes me anti-American then I am damn proud to be so!
The only anti americansim I see is that perpetrated upon the USA by its President and his supporters, the few left.
IMPEACH Bush Now!

To Dean Grant Baker,
Please God, tell me you dont live here in the U.S.? If so, please leave…..

What GI has been in Iraq for 3 straight years?
This film, although technically sophisticated is obviously a fabrication. Who talks like that, with that phrasing?
This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue, BUT yes, the press has liberal bias. For political purposes a lot of liberals in general have lined up against the war.
This is the first war where the enemy’s propoganda gets full play in our press.
If this was 1944, NPR would probably carry Tokyo Rose as ‘thoughtful commentary from a differing viewpoint’.
These people want to kill us. In fact, they did kill 3K of us to open this can of worms. Now that we have drawn them out into the open to fight us, many people suddenly have no stomach for the ugly business of convincing them otherwise.
Perhaps with the next 9/11 we could send grief management experts to the families of the suicide bombers. Maybe they would like us then.

Dan Rather has not see enough evidence to prove that the soldiers is still alive. So he is sticking with the story unless someone can further evidence of him being alive.

how soon the neoCons forget” RE: Dan Rather.
The office memorandums he quoted were falsified true also true was that the information in the documents was truthfull!!! and Fac tual!!!
Bush did go AWOL.
FACT!
The woman that confirmed that the document was false, because she was responsible for writing the the true original document said it wqas actually much worse than what was reported.
So to all you illiterate hillbillies that support Bush and scream that Liberals should go to war or shut up.
Shouldn’t you tell that to your President; a know deserter?

How did this become a Bush discussion?
Why, when cornered and regardless of the issue, do some people shout “Yeah but WHAT ABOUT BUSH, HUH?”
Lame. Grow up. Put down your list of talking points and think. It shows the argument has ended, and the guy screaming about Bush (or Clinton. Or Aaron Burr for that matter)has lost.
The poster that said this isn’t and shouldn’t be a liberal vs. conservative issue is totally correct. This is an American issue.
This discussion started with the propaganda put forward by the sworn enemies of the United States.
Like it or not, we are at war. To back down in the face of determined enemies will be viewed by them as vindication and the need to kill more of us. they hated us long before GW Bush became president. He did not start the broader conflict. Nor did the Former Occupant of the White House.
But it is time to end the mess started by Bin Laden and his fanatics.

When I start seeing comments suggesting that journalists are a danger to our republic, I think we’re in worse danger from them.
Anyone remember the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1794?
Let people say what they want. The truth will come out, as it did in this case.
And for what it’s worth, the Iraqi insurgents’ crime–and it is a nasty one–does not automatically invalidate any anti-war opinions.
Patriotism without dissent is not patriotism at all.

It seems that there is so much divisive venom and lies in this article and in the comments. Make no mistake Al Qaeda wants America to be as divided as these comments make us seem. “Liberal”, “left wing” and “right wingers” etc… are words they would long to hear, a House (or Senate) divided. The clearly obvious lies on the tape were meant to incite. They were meant for Muslims to believe and Americans to despise.
Don’t let it work. Every right-wing hook and left-wing jab is shot against ourselves in every meaning of the word.

Dave F wrote:
Our founders were not Liberals if they were we would be bowing to the queen still since Liberals dont believe or stand for anything(besides high taxes and other entitlements).
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‘Liberal’ does not mean you stand for higher taxes, or lower taxes, or any specific issue. A Liberal is someone who goes against the status quo, who advocates change. In this sense, our Founding Fathers were Liberals. What constitutes a Liberal cause will vary from one generation to another, from one country to another, from one culture to another. There is no such thing as a liberal cause, except in the context of a particular time and place. Women voting or driving cars is currently a liberal idea in Saudi Arabia.
When scholars point out that the Founding Fathers were Liberals (radicals, even) it is in this sense of the word. There was no functioning Democracy on the planet at the time, and there had never been a successful Democracy, ever. And in practice, there probably never will be. Democracy itself was a radical, ‘liberal’ ideal. The Founding Fathers came up with a hybrid government, A Democratic Republic, which had never been done before. They separated government from religion, and other radical practices. It is these liberal, radical notions that started this country.
The Founding Fathers were so concerned that governments not get too much power that the put in safeguards in the Constitution that would allow the people to disband the very government they were creating. Indeed, it was widely believed that the government they were proposing would likely be abolished and recreated every generation or two. The Founding Fathers thought that the most important thing about this new country was that its citizens should constantly question the government to keep it in check. They understood that absolute power corrupts, even in well-intentioned individuals or institutions.
So, to be a Liberal, and to question the government’s actions, is just about as American as one can be!
Griffin

I’ve never seen so many straw man fallacies on one page before.
Just because someone disagrees with our nation’s policies does not make them pro terrorist or anti troops.
We should all remember that disagreeing with our government is one of the most patriotic things we can do.
We should be able to have a reasonable national debate. The more I read comments like the ones posted by these makes me think reasonable debate may no longer be possible.

Griffin, your logic is flawed. First off, liberalism and conservativism are relative terms. ‘Liberals’ today are more like your conservative definition; no private savings accounts for SS, no killing despots, etc. When something happens that a Republican does, you sure can yap like a dog, but that’s not the result of principles, it’s only reactionary.
To compare liberalism to our Founding Fathers by this one small thread you have is ridiculous. Jefferson would be appalled by how rife our government is with social programmes and ‘nannyism’ which he spoke at great lengths against. Jefferson was also willing to fight for freedom and principles, to sacrifice rather than face tyrrany, which you clearly are not willing to do. So stop patting yourself on the back thinking you’re ready to take the torch from Jefferson’s hand when you’re not even worthy enough to speak his name.

It is not a coincidence that The Taliban had eradicated the poppy trade before the US led invasion of Afghanistan (although we are now told otherwise), but has exploded with the Western forces there. The CIA is up to it’s old tricks collecting drug money via local assets and supplying it’s interests with weapons in exchange (See Ollie and Nicaragua), all the while propping up a Wall Street ripe for collapse. But if CNN doesn’t report it, it can’t be happening…

Quoting Andy:
“Protesting the Iraq war is the FINEST way to support the soldiers! A war based on lies and oil is not a war that should ever have been fought!”
With all due respect, sir. That is your opinion. And for you, to say that protesting what I d, is supportng me, smacks of narcissism and selfishness.
How can you say you support me, but not when I do my job…what sort of insanity is that? That is like saying you support the Chicago Bears Football team, but not when they play in a football game you disagree with. Why not just put a gun to our heads…it has the same effect.
You need to get over yourself…and stop making my, and my fellow soldier’s job harder. Why? Because retreat, at this point, is not an option.
If you want to support the soldiers, you also support our mission, even if your personal opinions are different. It is our lives that are on the line…not yours.

To ABCnews : The soldier IAI meant is Lee Kendell Tucker not Lee Kimball Tucker …. so we dont know how did the U.S. army reported he is “alive and well !!” , and how did your reporters took this words from the family of Kimball Tucker who didnt recognize the face of their son ?!!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Do you people really think Americans, right or left, are buying that crap?? You really shouldn’t be concerned with wether Americans thinks it’s true or not. You should be worried about the Iraqis that see this stuff! They are the ones that are killing our troops! I’m pretty sure someone over there flips on the tv & sees this thinks it to be true and they don’t lnow any different because this is all they are being told….Sound familiar…

ABC:
It is supposedly a Christmas greeting from a U.S. soldier, Specialist Lee Kimball Tucker, sent to his family in Florida before he was killed.
IAI:
His name is Lee Kendell Tucker
So this is a diff guy.

It has been amusing to read the comments posted for this thread. The fact of the matter is that this IS propoganda but not from some anti-war American or from any branch of our Government, the general Iraqi society believes what they are told and nothing more. The insurgency is posting these videos to recieve local support while they are fighting in their backyards.
For those of you whom think SPC Tucker is a myth, or cannot figure out why he has not come forth yet.. think about it, would you want to be out in public if your face, social, and life were pasted on a terrorist website?
SPC Lee Tucker’s existance is very real, he is alive and well, as stated by the PAO from the 101st Division.

Bush is crying right now, if all of you think that Amercian soldiers in Iraq are doing their job, and no one dies, why would Bush be sending another 21000 soldier to Iraq, I hope American “idiots” stop listening to Bush and his Bluffssssssssss…..
Tom From Germany.

Well excuse me the video wasnt posted or published or broadcasted by Al Jazeera, it was posted in the site of the Islamic Army in Iraq.
You are very stupid to belive what is clearly true… Remain like that and one day U will be forced to belive :)

This is just lame. The person who wrote the “letter” is not a native english speaker..come on, who talks like that? Really, use your heads. Also, a lot of the words he uses and his descriptions show that the writer was never in the army. They just plain use the wrong words to describe things. As someone who served in Iraq (2005-2006, B btry 2-44 ada, 101st airborne)I can tell after the first paragraph it was BS and to any vet it is a joke on par with Jesse MacBeth. However, even if you are not a vet you should be smart enough to figure out that this BS. Come on…marijuana rolled cigarettes? What was he born in 1925? Put it to rest

lol.. it should be lee kendell tucker not lee kimball tucker. us media totally was a huge liar. i wonder if he still alive.. and i really believe about the lee’s life for lies story was true. is there any strong proof shows that lee is still alive? crap..