CIA: Bin Laden in Pakistan Establishing New Camps

So . . . if our CIA knows where he is (I think they have known for quite a l-o-n-g time), why don’t we get busy and blast him straight to Hell’s Gates?!? What are our politicians waiting on now?

Nah, Its just a bunch of people lying again. Bin Laden doesn’t even exist. Remember…Bush lied!!!!!!

So if the CIA has the intel that he’s there, why can’t they seem to catch him?

Let’s take this in context though. Al-Qaeda is not one man, nor a country. It is in 50 countries and they do not fear death. Nor can we bomb their cities or infrastructure because their infrastructure is in 50 other countries. Our only chance of defeating them is staying on the offense, cutting off their funding, and STAYING UNITED!

Why are they admitting in public they know where he is? They must really NOT want to catch him.

It is certainly a shame if political considerations (respecting Pakistani territorial sovereignty) are preventing us from really fighting the war against Islamic terror. If we know where Bin Laden and Al Zawahri are, they should be taken out and then we can apologize to Pakistan.

These recent statements by the CIA are nothing but BULL! Anyone with an ounce of “intelligence”, has known that Bin Laden died of kidney failure in the early part of 2002. The Bush regime have to keep this “boogy man” “alive” in order to justify the phony war on terror and the real war on liberty. Oh, and the trillion dollar defense contractors need to be kept happy as well.

So, why not look up his address, knock on his door, and arrest him?

“I can hear you, the rest of the world can hear you, and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.”
…Compared to “I am not a crook” and “I did not have sexual relations with that woman,” where does this presidential lie rank?

Good get them all in one spot so you can get them all at once….

How is it that the intelligence hunter-gatherers know so darn much about Osama and where his boys are hanging around, and what they are doing, but darn it, they just can’t seem to drop him.
Really, how many caves does this cat own? Just flatten the whole darn mountain or range for that matter.
I am starting to believe the propaganda machine representing the West in this dog fight actually needs bin Ladin.
Tragic.

Sooner or later the US will have to do something about this, one way or the other. Either Pakistan works with us or we go it alone. We cannot allow al Qaeda training camps to be re-established. The Dems ought to worry more about this situation than anything else. Hopefully, Bush can deal with this situation with President Pervez Musharaff’s cooperation. Delicate situation calls for finess first. I have greater faith that Bush or Guiliani could handle this situation to a satisfactory result more than any Democrat curently running for President.

Pakistan is a country that feeds, pampers and calls its mercenaris and militants as “Freedom fighters”. where else will all these crazy lunatics go?

CLEARLY, Pakistan is the current home of Osama bin Laden and his No. 2 man, Ayman al Zawahri. And clearly, he has been hiding out there for years. It is also very evident that Pakistani officials have covered up, denied, and otherwise naysay this reality while all the while nurturing this relationship. I have just one question: How many BILLIONS of taxpayer DOLLARS has the USA paid Pakistan to perpetuate this ongoing slap in our face. Check my math, but in human terms, this little war is also costing us thousands of US servicemen’s lives.
To the point: WE CAN NOT TOLERATE BEING LIED TO ANY MORE! THE USA MUST DO WHAT IT MUST TO BRING JUSTICE (and yes, revenge) TO THE SURFACE. Show the world that we are nobody’s fool ! What is it going to take to have America wake up to this treacherous scam.

These comments posted on this website indicates the stupidity of people we have in America. Stupid remarks such as why has not U.S. military caught OBL? False accusations…Bush lies?…This one is my favorite—And I’ll be Babe Ruth is there with him?..I mean just re-read your comments and you’ll know who is making “false accusations”, or if “Bush is lying”, Where do you people get your information? The left-wing lunacy? Let’s be realistic, The CIA knew and speculated that Osama has been hiding between the borders of Pakistan and Afghanastan.That is no surprise since the media spoke of this since 2002. Secondly, another problem exist, The U.S. military and CIA may not be able to execute Osama because of conflictual(War)implications with other dangerous countries such as Pakinstan and other countries as well as an “All-out-War” with the “Islamofacists” terror groups. Meaniong an attack U.S. embassy and also Israel is certain.People Think before you say something because we so-called Americans “Think we know” everything but we don’t. Remeber, your enemy will defeat you in every corners of your life if you do not know your enemy. And Please George W. Bush is not one of them. God gave us a brain, so let’s use it wise.

Most of you are pathetic. You see conspiracies where there are none and you hate based on political party not intelligence or reasonable, logical conclusions.
To those on the left – do you think you and your party are without “sin”??? What would you have done after 9/11? Specifically. What would you do NOW? Specifically? Details, please.
To those on the right – you are fallable as well.
It’s time everyone realized – we all make mistakes, we are all human, and we all must live together. Instead of bitching or condemning, why not help solve the problem?

The reason why we are considered idiots to the world is because we are! We can never win this fight. That region has been at war for years and will continue to be for many more. These people are irrationale and ignornant and I mean both the goverment and the locals. We are truly wasting our time and putting our troops in harms way. Lets leave now and start putting billions into our security..borders, local police, ports, airports, etc. In other words lets stop being to stupid!

There is a disconnect for any person that lives in america when they here about bin laden supposed location. just because they think they know where he is, they cant just call the local police and get him. these countries are desolate and about 1000 years behind us in infrastructure. people are so quick to say get out of Irag and get bin laden. We would have 50,000 dead soldiers if we went inot the mountatins of pakistan.

If there is 100 houses and we do not know which exact one to hit, Don’t you think Osama and his lenchmen will be on the run now from the latest news? Go Mr Bush. Do us proud. IRAN have you noticed your new neighbors on your East and West???????

If it weren’t for the endless politics of Musharaff, who seems to be holding back (maybe for more money), our soldiers could stop tip-toeing thru the tulips of Pakistan and finish the work. Zawahri has a well defined spot of a target smack in the middle of his empty skull forhead. How hard can it be to blast him and that other SOB, bin Laden, into smithereens? Pakistan needs to get its act together already.

I think if we hear anymore lies coming from OUR gov’t we go ahead with a regime change here !

These reason for soft peddling Pakistan is that Musharaf is a tenuous leader at best but is not a radical like most of the country. The fear being that a major strike by the US in Pakistan would cause the rest of the radicals to revolt because Musharaf allowed the US to make an attack in Pakistan or the radicals would revolt because Musharaf didn’t declare the US an enemy after making an attack on UBL in Pakistan. Either way, there is a real danger that the radicals in Pakistan kill or oust Musharaf and gain control of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, a scary thought. Musharaf is far from perfect but he rules over a real powder keg and UBL knows it and that is why he is there. In addition, Pakistan’s version of the CIA the ISI is big buddies with UBL and Musharaf does not have complete control of the ISI. It will take some amount of juggling to create a condition to allow for UBL’s destruction without igniting the Pakistan powder keg. Remember the vast majority of Al Qeda members aside from radical Saudi’s are Pakistani like the London Bombers. We want Bin Laden but we don’t want a radical revolution in Pakistan with nuclear weapons and missiles.

Bin Laden “Intellingence” is just the CIA’s way of taking the heat off of him where ever he really is. (Probably Saudi Arabia, or already dead) They just have to drudge up this crap every so often to rally the people behind a “war” that we’re all starting to see the cracks in. Next they’ll say he’s in Iran. (not really but you get the point)

OBL IS DEAD! HIS CARCASS IS ROTTING IN A CAVE UNDER TONS OF RUBBLE AND WILL NEVER BE FOUND.
If he were alive he would’ve appeared on video. others have and it is NOT harder to get a video out than it is to get a audio tape out .(PERIOD!)AND video does NOT give away his whereabouts . (PERIOD!) Please refute if you are able…otherwise, I say he is dead until it is prooven otherwise.

OK, so let me get this straight. You whiny liberals wanted us OUT of Afghanistan and to stay away from Iraq, Iran and North Korea. You have, in fact, labeled the U.S. overthrow of Saddam as “illegal.”
So now, you lefties WANT Bush to invade Pakistan to nab Osama?
Really? Why is Pakistan any different from Iraq? Riddle me that, liberals?
Or can you?

Most of you folks speak as if you fell out of a tree yesterday. Pakistan is an unstable MUSLIM country with at least a handfull of nuclear bombs run by a fairly benevolant dictator who has NO control over the Afgan border. For the USA to cross their border and take military action would probably be the tipping point, helping the radical Pakistanis remove Musharrif and install someone like Ahmadinejad who will then have readily usable nuclear devices with a few different delivery systems and the world’s 8th largest army…As sworn enemies of India and Israel, the only question is who they would attack first and when. Perhaps before this they would link up with the Taliban, Hezbollah and Iran to take control of 60% of the world’s known oil supply and cripple the West’s economy and strategic means of countering their aggression. Study the implications and you will realize that it is not all about killing one goofball who got through our domestic defenses while we were preoccupied with other things more important, like sex and money.

It is a good thing that Bin Laden is building training camps for Al Qaeda recruits in Waziristan. Once they become established, we can locate them and bring fire upon them. Now that Waziristan has established itself as an autonomous area, Pakistan will not feel compelled to object when we go after the bad guys there.

I thank God that all of you have a day job and just like to gossip, because for not having anymore information than what the media gives you, you sure seem to have alot of “resources” and “assets” at your fingertips to gather your own intelligence and perform your own analysis……wow, unbelievable where some of you are coming from……

Daisy Cutters is right…good comment

The truth is Osama is always between Iran and Pakistan’s tribal areas. When it gets hot he runs back to Iran protection, but to admit that publically would open a whole can of worms – but until we do we can’t kill the worms – no matter who protects them lets do it already

All the simpletons here think we should just show up and kill Bin Laden. If you don’t think that literally hundreds of Americans have dedicated themselves to this single goal, for years on end, with every available technology and money, then you are a complete fool. Of course we are, and of course, we will get him.
It is a matter of time.

Bin Laden, if he is indeed still alive, is on the Afghan/Paki border. Here you will find 10mm Pastuns who support Taliban and fundamental Islam. They also have a custom of “protecting” those who seek shelter. This area is in reality the “Wild West” and the Paki government has virtually no control over it. Hence, you are seeking the needle in the haystack. How do I know? Been there, done that.

To MATT, who said we should just go get him if we think it’s so easy…
We train people do do that job. I am a trained professional, and I do my job very well. Shouldn’t they?
And let’s not forget, we managed to send people to the moon on the computing power of a calculator. I DO NOT ACCEPT the notion that there is anything we as a nation cannot do.
I’m well aware that it’s not easy, but I’m tired of people saying it’s impossible. Just do the job!

The CIA created bin Laden for their own purposes and they’re keeping him hidden and equipped for the same reasons.
Read Seymour Hersh. Open your eyes. The military-industrial complex is actively funding al Qaeda to keep the jobs and money flowing to themselves.

Such pea wits! Finding Bin Laden was an INTELLIGENCE problem, not a military force issue…and given that he stepped over the border into Pakistan, creates diplomatic questions with that ally. Going into Iraq was legal, and doctrinal enforcement of resolve. Activists forget that Saddam was shooting down our aircraft (including one on 9/11/2001!!!). It doesn’t matter it the public “doesn’t get it”, us professionals do.

Who knows what to believe. The Bush Administration has been repeatedly dishonest with the American people. I have to assume everything they say is a lie because I don’t know when they decide to be honest or if they are ever honest. Dick Cheney has the credibility of a used car salesman.

Just when you need something you reach into your pocket and pull out a saber-tooth tiger and scare everyone in the room. Nice trick, but sadly an old pathetic trick.
News flash up-date, Osama Bin Laden is DEAD and has been for years. As for the other guy Ayman al Zawahri – My message is simple, now is the time for him to become room temperature.

When Newt gets in , he will take care of the situation. Man of action. Bunch of neer do wells in wash right now.
gata

President Cheney obviously doesn’t care about fighting terrorism. (Bush is of course a moron who must receive instructions via radio when speaking in public). Osama is a great bogey-man to frighten Americans with but obviously Cheney could care less about brining him to justice. Cheney is using the bogus “war on terror” for political advantage, and to distract us from other more important issues like trade, immigration, fiscal policy, etc. You have a better explanation?

Why don’t they just send in DOG the Bounty Hunter?
When are people in this country going to realise that OBL is considered a folk hero in the middle east? Allowing OBL to be captured would be like America handing over Davie Crocket or Daniel Boone.

For all you people asking the seemingly obviousquestion: If we know where he is why don’t we go in there and kill or capture him? THe answer is simple. if you follow the events of the last week, (i.e. Vice Pres. Dick Cheney’s impromptu visit with Pakistani Pres. Musharef, you can understand that this is neither political or opportunistic on the Bush Administration’s part. All news accounts yesterday stated that Cheney showed proof of the Administration’s claims and delivered a strong message that Pakistan cooperate more.
Besides this, if our intelligence is not precise, up to the second, we run the risk of innocent civilians dying and the backlash from people who already view us as the enemy. In order to root out Al Quaeda’s No.1 and No.2 leaders, we need Pakistan’s help. Afterall, they are a sovereign nation.
Cheney did not go on tv to make the claim about Bin Laden being in Pakistan, rather he went directly to Pakista’s President with proof in a private meeting.
Because of the blinding vitriolic hatred that the left has for Bush, every policy and every move is under unreasonable scrutiny just because they have been conditioned by the media to do so.

Bush regime want war with Iran. He already said they are suppling arms to Iraqi’s to kill Americans. I don’t know how OBL fits in, but wait till spring, then Bush will lie to make his case for war with Iran, that will say OBL is helping some how?

Has this guy actually done anything wrong? I mean I’ve never seen any evidence that would hold up in a high school science class or a court of law. All I’ve ever heard is “bla, bla, bla,” from Bush and Company.
I’d love to be corrected, but no one I know can point to any actual evidence of wrongdoing either.

Its hard to believe so many Americans are so synical and easy to manipulate. Do you really believe your government is that perverse? That’s a shame! Good luck Mr. President! Keep on keepin on! That is his name Mr. President not Bush! The decay as many our society begins with a lack of tradition and respect.

I believe we went to Pakistan to seek assistance/share our intelligence via Dick Cheney to enable our special ops /aka”theotherarmy” to take these leaders out.Time will tell!

Thank you Mr. President for taking the battle to the enemy instead of the enemy bringing the battle to us. We have a great oppertunity to fight the terrorist of the world on their soil. Allowing them to come to the Iraq battlefield to die for their causes is one of the best military plans that I have ever heard of. Bring your terror fighters to Iraq, it doesn’t matter what country you come from, come and fight and be eliminated. America is waiting for you! Osama, send us your fighters and watch as they are eliminated.

“I have greater faith that Bush or Guiliani could handle this situation to a satisfactory result more than any Democrat curently running for President.”
Have you been sleeping the last five years? He’s had ample time to take care of it, but chose instead to focus his efforts on a non-threat in Iraq. 3300 dead soldiers later, Bin Laden may very well be running around making plans to attack us again. But by golly, Saddam’s dead. Don’t you feel much safer, now?

Well, clearly, if he’s in Pakistan and is a threat to us, we need to invade Holland.

Everybody knows that CIA asset Tim Osman (aka Osama Bin Laden) died of kidney failure in December, 2001 after being treated at a U.S Army hospital in Dubai in July of that year.
This article is more BushCo issued war mongering propaganda. I can’t believe anyone has the gall to write it, let alone believe anyone is swallowing this bunk anymore. It’s laughable and transparent.

all you people are NUTS and BUSH
is a big fat JERK who knows nothing
and as far as our CIA they know not
a damn thing they just think they
do. the joke is on us and BUSH could give a CRAP!!!!!

WOW Pakistan eh…??? But I thought our President, Vice President and Sec of State said the issue with these guys was based out of Iraq?
I guess the lies and distorted truths are being exposed.
Dave

You cannot kill a ghost!! Bin Laden is probably dead, but his legion of followers lives on. But money does talk. How about we quit paying countries to pretend to be our allies. They take our money and lie to us about everything. Stop the money and maybe Pakistan would get more serious about digging Al Quaeda out of their hinterlands. As for Iraq, it’s time to let them step up to the plate and deal with their own problems. We got rid of their evil regime and gave them time to set up their own government. It’s time to either call Iraq an American Territory or get out all together.

Amazing. Some folks want us to attack a country that has not used WMD against anyone, and without ANY authorization, yet they complain when Congress voted to attack a nation that HAS, WITH authorization form both Congress AND the UN.
Also, I’m surprised folks are confused as to why we haven’t caught bin Laden who has moved about multiple countries, with mountainous areas, and lots of support, when our own police couldn’t find the Unibomber for over a decade in our own country, who had little support.
Bin Laden is living in Saudi Arabia? REALLY? Got PROOF?
“Phony” war on terror? So we imagined the events of 9/11? We are imagining our sons and daughters not coming home from defending the world from these animals?
Wake UP people. These folks want to kill us. They have done so. they have continued to say so. To surrender to them is foolish.

Don’t you all have something better to do than this? Respect your country. If you were capable of running it, then you would be in the office. Quit blaming Bush for everything and support this country. You forget why you have freedom to begin with and just want to blame, blame, blame.

Think about it people you have a very unstable country in Pakistan, WHICH HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS, you know how radical these people are anyway. So you take out bin laden with a fireworks show so everybody sees it and railies to overthrow the government so the radicals control the nukes. sounds like a liberal has been feeding you info. things aren’t always as simple as the media reports. [I'm sure the entire government doesn't want to see this guy burned alive]… WAKE UP

If all of you idiots knew anything about informants, you would know that most of the time the information comes to you after it already happens. For example, if the CIA has some informants who saw Osama at a certain place, that doesn’t mean here is there RIGHT NOW!!! If you attack a place he was 24 hrs ago, he’s not like going to still be there. I am sure they are working on confirming the informants information and trying to track him down.

I wonder how different things would have been if, instead of starting our ill-planned and poorly conducted war with Iraq, we had concentrated on finishing business in Afghanistan and taking out the Al Qaeda leadership for once and for all. We are going to pay, and pay, and pay for the incompetence of the Bush administration in this.

lets just face it folks, we have been lied to and scammed by bush and his cronies (cheney being the biggest croney… can we say HAILIBURTON)! the bush admin is as crooked as a hounds back leg and acts like they actually care about america, THEY DON’T, they care about making money and all the while making a phoney legacy for an out and out liar! why bush has not been impeached i will never understand! we as a people should be loudly protesting this administration and getting someone who actually has leadership qualities and wants to do what the american people elected them to do, not follow they’re own agenda. we have now squandered our military on bush’s folly let alone the thousands of lives lost and lets not forget about our money wasted… we could have done great things with the resources bush threw away to get revenge on saddam… now we are seen as bullies and warmongers and we now can’t protect ourselves from the real enemies now emerging! this president is totally incompetent and should be removed and NO not replaced with dick cheney!

People have no idea how difficult it is to “find” bin Laden. My last assignment in the Army (’86-’87) was as a liason to the DEA to guide their CLET teams and Bolivian feds to coca labs (Pathfinder, 1st Ranger Bn). We had to navigate to the sites on foot, instead of dropping in by helo, so as to take them by surprise. And the cartels were surprisingly sophisticated, with large perimeter security measures (with surrounding villages on the payroll to act as lookout) so our infil point was often a hundred or more kilometers out from the target. Even with reliable humint and current satellite imagery, the semi-mobile nature of the labs and the canopy of the jungle made it a real bitch to find them. And more than a couple times we showed up for the party and nobody was home. I can’t begin to imagine what it would be like to try to find a single person, highly mobile, in a region consisting of thousands of square miles of mountains and caves. The problem here is that the frame of reference for Intelligence matters for most people consists of neat special effects and tidy outcomes from action movies. Nobody here (including myself) has a first-hand, realistic reference for just how big the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region is and the complexity of the terrain.

I would say that our Intelligence dis-organizations are pretty pathetic if the only thing that we can aim at Bin Laden with certainty is a camera for surveillance photos.

The Bush family does not want to catch OBL. They just want to keep us in fear for their war and oil effort – they and their croonies are raking in the bucks while our troops are being killed and injured. Let’s get out NOW and leave Iraq, Iran, and all the others to battle it out themselves with NO AID from the USA. Eliminate all aid everywhere and we will have money for our own!

OBL is setting up camps in Pakistan? Isn’t that a statement of incompetence on every single level that we elect a President for? No diplomatic clout with Paksitan yet we continue to financially support the regime; the CIA/operatives can’t get the job done; the President allows such an announcement of failure to be made; and this sin’t the first time such a statement has been made.

Wow… to all of you who think the easy answer is to blow up a country…. let you take my husband’s place in Afghanistan where he’s been for the last 14 months protecting your right to be stupid. The US has attempted to work with Pakistan but the government there has decided to ignore the problem. Do you guys want us to go ahead and claim war on another country? If we did that Osama would hop from country to country until the entire world was at war with the US. Some of you obviously have no concept of reality regarding the military.. and godbless mahmood for saying what you did. Arresting or killing these people isn’t as easy as puting on your pants in the morning. Our troops are accomplishing unbelievable things for the people of Afghanistan and Americans need to educate themselves more about what’s going on. Wise up people and realize that our troops are following orders and our society voted for Bush in the first place. You don’t lose weight overnight and you don’t win a war in a day just by blowing people up. Have a little respect for the men and women that are brave enough to do the dirty work so you can sit at home and bitch about it.

Can you imagine us letting Hitler hide out in the Alps after WWII? Unbelievable!

Katherine K.: God bless your husband. Our hearts are with both of you.
To you and to Mike T. (above) THANK YOU for your service.

“Have speculated” and “may have obtained” are pretty weak statements, yet most posters think that means we not only know where bin Laden is but asked him to wave for the camera instead of shooting him. Please do not confuse speculation for fact. Bin Laden will be found one day and brought to justice, but radical Islam will survive with or without him and must be confronted as their goal is annihilation of all not aligned with them, and that includes Muslims who are not “Muslim enough”, or have we forgotten that Iraq’s constant attacks are against it’s own people.

I bet CIA will not get him in next 50 years. You know why ? because there will be no other excuse for us to stay in that region.

America need’s to wake up….do you really think with our intelligence that if Bush had wanted him found we would have failed? It’s a war based on oil and money…..not on terrorism!

Yet another desperate attempt to keep the sheep frightened of mythical wolves. A good group of NYC detectives could track OBL down in 6 months for a few million in bribe money. The public won’t be so outraged at the waste of money and lives our neocon administration has cooked up unless there is a boogey man to fight. Wonder how many of you remember the FBI field officer in Minneapolis who had the goods on hijacker Mohammad Atta but was ignored by her brass? This is done deliberately by corrupt pols and NSA nutjobs who are getting every bit as many kickbacks as Randy (Duke) Cunningham but haven’t been caught yet. Time to wake up and FORCE our hapless Congress to cut off the funds for this travesty of lies before we mortgage our future to China and Saudi Arabia. Never mind, I just looked at our trade imbalance and national debt: we already HAVE mortgaged our future. RIP America. 200+ years was a good run. Enter the age of plutocracy and “let them eat cake”.

Let’s face it……how can we believe anyone? The government has *consistantly lied* to us for the past few years. I personally no longer believe even one word that comes out of the president’s mouth.
As for remembering 9/11….be real, does anyone thing anybody could forget?
But, having said that, fighting THIS war in not the answer.
We need to bring out soldiers home and think long/hard/and carefully to come up with a much better plan.
I can’t believe anyone on this planet thinks this one is working!!!

Are we still really rehashing the purpose behind our troop involvment in Iraq, instead of contemplating reasons why Bin Laden is still alive?
Bin Laden is not “at large”. I believe we’ve known his whereabouts since 9/11, but will not capture him. By leaving him uncaptured, he remains an identifiable enemey. If captured, Al Qaeda will assume a new leader, a new face, and a new mission. As long as we know the enemy, we can continue to combat the enemy. Once Bin Laden is gone, the enemy will again be faceless and much more difficult to deal with.

hmmmm….the british have woken up when will we? I’m thinking not until after the next election….god forbid anyone admit it was a mistake. Iraq didn’t kill all the innocent victims on 9/11 but osama did and he’s still making video’s????wake up

I can clearly see the comments of both Democrats and Republicans. When we are at war, we need to all be Americans.

Everyone is absolutely correct about this being yet another gov’t lie (CIA this time) regarding knowledge of Bin-Laden’s whereabouts. However, I have a sneaking suspicion about the true identity of that 6’6″ Elvis impersonator over in Las Vegas.

Oh, by the way, the CIA is not lying, even hollywood can’t make up this stuff.

I amazed at the stupidity and ridiculous political partizenship nonsense these posts represent. And I am referring to both sides.
Average Joes claiming to know “inside” information on the war on terror because they read a CNN article or neanderthal meatheads claiming we should just blow up Pakistan. I’m embarrassed for most of you.

It is weird to hear appeasers of Bush/Cheney hem and haw telling us not to worry bout Osama Bin laden?
Have you forgotten! Iraq had no WMD, Iraq was secular, Saddam in a hole wasn’t a grave threat. 9/11?
Iraq is to the war on terror what Marijuana is to the war on drugs,
a very costly distraction! USA USA

Posted above: “Osama Bin Laden is living quite comfortably in the family home in Saudi Arabia. Our esteemed leader knows this, however, he has business ties with the Bin Laden family worth billions. I leave it to you to work out.” — People this is true. Wake up!

Unfortunately, the only way to end Osama is for World War 4. It will result in the deaths of hundreds of millions. It IS a war of civilizations. We are losing because we don’t take them seriously. They will keep hitting us harder and harder. Until they hit us so bad we are forced to respond. Then it may be too late.

The so called freedom fighters who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan were funded by the CIA. American deserted them once the Soviets left 1989 and had nothing to do
There was no effort made the Reagan Admin to spend any money in Afghanistan. Not one school was built. Out this mess the Taliban were emerged. Reagan only wanted to win the Cold War but left a mess from which BIN LADIN emerged ONLY to terrorize the Americans on 9/11
AND GUESS WHO TRAINED THEM IN FIRST PLACE. IT WAS THE CIA under Pakistani president Zia-ul-Haaq who got Billions from the Reagan Admin. Ronny was a bit forgetful. He has left the US with Bin Laden as his legacy.
Am I surprised – NO
Bin Laden in Pakistan stablishing New Camps in Pakistan with 1000s of recruits

Did they take him to the taxidermist? He’s been dead since November 2001. If the CIA really believes this nonsense, maybe it’s time we got a real intelligence agency, as the name of the present one is an oxymoron.

I see most people think we spotted this guy with a sattelite…on quite the contrary i believe….try…the specail ops ran a recon mission…keyword, recon….now the planning and negotiating with pakastan begins…wasn’t cheney just there? hmmmmmmm……THINK PEOPLE

Musharif walks a tight rope daily. Pakistan has never had full control of these mountain regions. They can’t go in there without substantial losses to their military. They won’t allow us to go in because it would embarass them and inflame an extremely flamable population.
There are millions of extremists over there. They are all willing to die. We can’t win until we are willing to kill them all. It really is that simple. We could do it; but, we won’t.

The US needs to stop acting and being weak and take care of business and finish each and every terrorist and state who gaves safety to terrorists off.

As a former Regan Republican, it is my sad conclusion that only one fact is know when either Bush or Cheney call to tell some “truth”:
THE GODDAMNED PHONE WORKS.
And that is the only thing you will now with confidence. They both lie as bad as the Clintons.
Mike

Jeez. I’m reading these and I’m thinking – we have a bunch of wackos right here, why go looking somewhere else. I’m not sure the Founding Fathers anticipated THIS much freedom of speech. HOLY C*** The fact is each of these is an opinion, heartfelt but mostly unsubstantiated – and thats fine but it just creates “pollution” around the issues. What we need is the media (of which there are more than ever and less effective than ever), the Congress, and the Judicial branch to demand real answers and to work things out, in closed sessions if necessary, but to have more people involved in our country’s war and future than a handfull of the Bush Brain Trust. I mean he has pretty much done what he has wanted to from the start w/ opposing the UN, to the WMD nonsense, to Saddam, etc.
DUBBA HAS A PRIVATE WAR GOING WITH NO ACOUNTIBILTY. Pity those who question it b/c they are unpatriotic, commie, facist, terorist-sympathizers. I think the Founding Fathers would be ripped about this. I just hope there is a Constitutional lawyer out there that has the tools and guts to stop this circus.

Here’s a good article! Chow!

the idiotic comments here are quite amazing
Sure bomb Pakistan a nuclear armed country that would probably come apart after the first airstrike why don’t you idiots stick to posting on myspace

I love how all the Bush apologists talk of how Pakistan is a sovereign nation and we just can’t go bombing inside a sovereign nation even to get bin Laden, but they will turn around and say 9/11 was all Clinton’s fault because he didn’t kill bin Laden, which would have involved bombing inside a sovereign nation…though Clinton did do so in trying to kill bin Laden after the attacks in Africa. And didn’t Bush declare you are either with us or against us? What hypocrits. Wasn’t Iraq a sovereign nation that was no threat to us when we attacked? Also the excuses about the terrain suck. We’ve been there for what 5,6 years? We haven’t been able to figure out how to move around and fight there? I don’t hear al Queda complaining about the terrain. And frankly if we know where bin Laden is at, with the most developed and expensive military in history we should be able to send some special forces into his camp, kill him and everyone around him and leave with out anyone knowing we “violated” a “sovereign” nation. All this talk from the CIA is nonsense.

Are we really so stupid as to think that because we know he is in a country that we know exactly where he is. Jack the ripper was known to have been in England yet nobody ever got him. Please continue to use simplistic remarks to continue showing the world the ability of the west to think. We be reallll smart. Osama is (dead, made up, in Utah, on the space station, you pick where you claim to know he is)and the US is only fighting against him in Afghanastan because we want all of their (oil, drugs, blankets or maybe because the US likes to kill people). People really need to think just a bit before they make public the biases that exist in their own minds.

As long as the United States Government continues to create and feed B.S., and the citizens of the United States continue to eat it. We are embarking on a world/life altering direction that no individual can comprehend.
Even if the U.S wins, humanity will still LOOSE.

I think what everyone here seems to be forgetting is that Pakistan has sovereignty over its national borders. If UBL is setting up camps within Pakistan’s borders, the US will have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get the go-ahead to attack him(which by then he may have vanished).
Know how hard it is just to get permission to fly in a nation’s air space?
Imagine getting permission to conduct a military operation within someone’s borders.

I have to agree with the writer who said Bahgdad is in the middle of the middle east and we have people on both sides of Iran. I think that is the real reason we are still over there. I find it hard to believe that they can’t find OBL when the sattelites can pretty much pinpoint anything. Surely he comes out to see the sun light some time in the last 5 or more years. I think we again are playing a cat and mouse game only this time we may be the mouse.
I think we should be focusing all our effort on bringing these criminals to justice and justice is too good for them! I am tired of all the pussy footing around with these countries, if you harbor our enemy you become our enemy.

Exactly what did Bush lie about?

As one who spends some time in Pakistan, I can tell you that every other shopkeeper in Karachi and parts northern could be Osama Bin Laden, but I cannot believe that he is setting up terrorist camps. President Musharraf has boosted the Rangers and setup check points in every major part of the country. If he is not dedicated to anti-terrorism, then no one in the middle east is. As a veteran and former intelligence agency employee, I can’t believe I am saying this, but if UBL is still alive, our government knows precisely where he is, but won’t kill him for political reasons. America has fallen a long way from the tree of Ronald Reagan and I cannot see how we shall find our way back. Who knew GW Bush would be so detrimental a leader?

Why am I’m not surprised 20% of americans can’t even find USA on the map?

have you looney lefties overlooked that fact that more of our military people were killed during each 3 year period during Clintons watch than any 3 years of Bush? It’s true. Sounds to me like if you support the troops……Keep ‘em in Iraq.

The comments on this page MUST be constitute some kind of world record for greatest ignorance density on a web page.
Yes, if we had the precise coordinates for Osama, we would fire a missile and kill him. We don’t. We do have evidence, which the CIA are showing the Senate committee and the Pakistani President, that Osama is in the region and active.
Terrorism cannot be fought without the cooperation of governments and people in the middle east. The Pakistani government is one of our most valuable, and most fragile assets in this regard.
To those who think Osama is in Saudi Arabia(!) do a little research into history before you start trying to think. Also, political ideology is no substitute for thought, people. Is there no place for Reason left in the world?

I wonder where he does his laundry? Look at those threads, all nice and white and everything! Maybe they could catch him at the laundromat…He must have to get these things done at least once a week.

I think that US should go in and get these guys out to the US for justice asap
Please don’t forget the reason 911 had happened was that they had done the funding themselves
US must take action now

All I want to know is:
Where’s Waldo?

If they really wanted him they would have gotten him long ago. Perhaps the IRS could find him. They could save $25,000,000.

Pakistan is not – nor have they ever been – our ally in the war on terror. I’m just tired of the Bush administration pretending that they are.

The reason we don’t / have not gotten him is nukes. The guys has a handful and has since the late 90′s. Probably has em stashed or pre-staged here in the states. I think .. it’s called blackmail.
Ogre

The war is necessary. The Iraq front, executed poorly.
Andrew- best post.
Chas – 100% correct.
David Adler – Yes. And isn’t it also true that Iraq + Afghanistan = Iran, surrounded.
magicrat – exactly.
nashfun – we couldn’t find the unibomber IN this country.
Awkins – China is a superpower. They know it. (They hold lots of our debt.) We know it. (They hold lots of our debt.)
Nonnie – Good point. I never thought of it that way.

You folks are a bit long on tongue and short on facts. I hear a lot of mud slinging, but I don’t see hide nor hair of any valid supporting information. I see feelings and feelings ain’t worth diddly. I see things repeated from people that don’t know squat by people who know even less. Truth is you are all guessing. To those of you that whine that Bush, Cheney and Haliburton are making billions out of this war, look around, that rosy glow you see is the sun shining in through your navel. There ain’t two facts to rub together amongst the lot of you to even make some smoke. I don’t think any of you have any clue what is at stake here. If you want to find out, see your friendly recuriter and get some first hand experience and then come back and write from a point of knowledge because you ain’t going to get facts from the three blind mice, CNN and PBS.
Let’s get some perspective on the losses. We lost more military personnel to accidents in the last two years than we have combat. As a matter of fact, we lose upwards of 17,000 Americans to drunk drivers every year. Losses by accident and drunk drivers are useless losses. Losses defending our freedoms are not. I think you could better spend your time trying to prevent accidents and stopping drunk drivers than carping about policies and strategies you have no way of understanding.
And learn to write complete sentences.
Grits

We can’t go after UBL. If we were to go and catch him and his #2, there would be massive terror attacks around the world to determine who would be the next #1…The best strategic option is to lay low in catching him, practice strong counter-terrorism efforts here in the US, and watch us go in debt more…

If we never invaded Irag we would coordinated our efforts in Afghanistan and either captured or killed him years ago. Finish one job before starting another.

UBL may or may not be alive. The jihadist movement is very much alive. The West will be fighting jihadis for the rest of our natural-born days. Get used to it. Convinced of their cultural superiority and obsessed with their political inferiority, convincing jihadis to change their behavior will be long term effort even if every decision & action the West takes is correct.

Our country is full of complete idiots and they will continue to blame Bush even when the islamist terrorists are in their back yard!

Yes it’s true! Bin Laden had nothing to do with September 11 (the tapes “found” were clearly a double). Neither was Sadamn responsible (admitted by Bush). Neither were the Arabs involved. Five of the supposed “hijackers” were found “ALIVE AND WELL” (with pictures!),in other parts of the world as the BBC and others reported a few days after 9/11. That leaves WHO ELSE???!!! to carry out 9/11? It’s time for you people to get your thumbs outa your mouths and take a cold shower.

I’d agree with some on here, but honestly, most are way off base. The USA is not above all other people, governments, and countries as many on here obviously believe…the same people that take all of our freedoms and our way of life for granted. Our capabilities to carry out these types of missions was reduced to nearly zero during the 90′s, and it will take many, many years to rebuild those capabilities. Even then it will be hard to catch some determined to hide, who has money, who has loyal supporters, and can go where we simply can’t.
America may be the wealthiest country in the world, but were not absolutely better than everybody else…like most on here seem to really believe, and it’s that attitude that makes so many in this world hate America, not one administration’s policies. America was hated long before our current President came to office. Obviously that’s totally slipped the small minds of most, and that’s why we’re in our current predicament.
Isn’t it nice when a humble and honest operator can tell it how it really is… Presuming we continue to have a national security focused administration, someday we’ll again have the capabilities to gather intel, stop bad things from happening again, and catch bad guys like bin Laden’s and his thugs…and if we don’t continue to have a right minded administration, the USA has little time left in life.

Have you forgotten?
All the people killed
Yes some went down like heroes
Shot Down In that Pennsylvania field
All the loved ones that we lost
And those left to carry on
Don’t you tell me not to worry ’bout Bin Laden
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” – George WMD Bush, 3/13/02 …
Bush/Cheney/Democrats, Republicans need to be ‘brought to justice’!

At this point I don’t know what to believe about Osama. I do know I don’t trust our current Administration to be truthful, and I don’t take any assertions as facts from the Joe Schmoes of the world either.

It’s amazing how many “experts” we have posting comments on here on the credibility of the CIA and President of the United States. Wow, I guess if you all were in charge, the “trains would run on time”. You “experts” whose only source and experience regarding such matters is from whatever slanted media source or politician you apply to.

I lost my son in Iraq in Nov of 2004. I had higher hopes then about our governments abilities to get the job done, I was dead wrong. The first smartest thing Bush did was to fired Rumsfield, but even that doesn’t change the fact that he and Cheny have lied to us. I don’t remember the direct quote Bush said but it went something this ” we will not rest, no matter where you hind we will get you” OK now Bush it’s time to put up and get over their with a small special forces team kind of like the Vietnam era LLRP’s. The American know it’s that the military but the one’s who were elected to office that control the direction to which this country will take, our military anyone including me would give my own life to take out Bin Ladin and his cult.
Why is the Bush group releasing this info: now, simple the elections are coming up, low rating, any more questions? Watch hear in the near future we will hear about the attempted assination of Bushes nightmare’s but he will fail again because he has no heart, he is to wooried about publis opinion and midle estern relations then “doing the right thing” Last word Saudi Arbia is not our friend, they may say so, but most to all of the fighjters in Iraq are from that country yet they are doing nothing to prevent the masses from heading into Iraq. Iran….
Cheny shut-up and sit down you guys talk alot of crap about Iraq and look where we aren’t! Iran knows that we can’t get Bin Ladin, we can’t get Iraq under control and no likes who they put in office. ( My man lost the election) Signed a highly ticked off Father of a “Fallen Marine”

“Every picture tells a story”, doesn’t it Brian?
An indictment would indicate someone has more than circumstantial evidence as a basis for accusing OBL for 9/11 and is ready to present it publicly.
I don’t think our government wants all the investigations and messy little inconsistent details brought out in public, do you?

It is amazing the read this blotter – there is so much hatred for the administration that we have lost sight of the goal. We as a nation have to decide do we want to fight this terrorist scourge or not and if we choose not to then be prepared to accept what comes our way. This fight is really about our way of life – our freedoms which we take for granted – I guarntee you if many of you who have went off the deep end in your hatred for the administration did so; against the governments in the countries where the terrorist are being trained – idolized – rewarded; you would be pulled out of your homes in the middle of the night and killed outright. I do not agree with the course of this war, but I acknowledge that it is a fight we must make. We need to proceed on diplomatic levels as well as military levels, but we must not loose sight of the goal to live in peace. Unfortunately the road to peace is often littered with bodies, and until we can assure ourselves that we are safe we cannot let our guard down. One note aside to Mr. Greg Medina I am sorry for your loss, but as a veteran I know your son died a hero, and we owe you and your family a debt we can never repay. Our prayers are with all our sons and daughters in harms way.

WHY DOTHEY HAVE THEM OVER THERE WHEN THEY KNOW WHERE BIN LATIN IS THEY SHOLD JUST RE GROUP UP ON ALL THE SOLDERS DO SOME RESEARCH AND FIND OUT FOR SURE IF HE’S OVER THERE IF HE IS THEN YOU SEND THE SOLDIERS OVER THERE TO FIND HIM. IF HE ISN’T OVER THERE BRING ALL THE SOLIDERS BACK BECAUSE JUST STAYING OVER THERE IS JUST GOING TO END UP BEING KILLED. THEN YOU’LL GONE TO TRY TO START PICKING PEOPLE OUT TO GO TO THE ARMY. LIKE MY MOTHER TOLD ME THINK BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING AND YOU WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOTHING GOD BLESS AMERICA AND EVERY WHERE ELSE.

Well said Dave!

This “war on terrorism” is the “superbowl” of our time. It is going to be a long and messy effort with many “armchair quarterbacks” and replacement players.It is actually early in the first quarter; many spectators haven’t even entered the stadium.Unlike the “game” the loser is going to regret more than the loss of a garrish ring and lucrative endorsements.As in football etc. the winner is frequently not assured until the very end of the 60 minute contest.But this struggle is not time limited and there are no formal timeouts and no referees–the players make their own rules and the players’ outcomes will significantly impact the wellbeing and overall lives of the spectators themsevves.

I beg to differ with the poster who states that the war on terror is going to be a long and messy effort and that this is just the 1st quarter.
The war on “terror”, specifically the war waged against the middle eastern muslims began in the 12th century and commenced with a crusade that lasted (just to get things started)nearly 200 years.
Since then, the mantle has been shared among the bulk of the European empires including France and Germany.
Now with England again involved along with her 250 year old North American colonies that happen to be (the) US, the pattern of this agression continues to this day and has come full circle after 800 years.
Let me ask you, in all that 800 years, how many times has Iraq, Turkey, Iran, or any other middle eastern country sent armies to invade the US or any of Europe?
And how many times since the 13th century has Europe or the descendants of those dead, white, Europeans invaded, occupied and subdivided what was one of the first known civilizations on the planet at a time when Europeans were still coming out of the caves?
At what point do you think the midlle east was entitled to say “that’s enough!”?

I find it amazing that the press can write so much about a person, and the government can’t find him.
two possibilities:
1. the press is being used as a propaganda machine – most likely.
2. OBL is a lot smarter than the combined departments in our government.
The fact is the chimp does not want OBL captured. According to the chimp if we get OBL then all terrorism will slow down and stop – we know this will not happen.
Get ready for another WTC level attack, the chimp and cheney need to cookup another one, their empire is falling apart.

The point is moot.
KSM “confessed” to pretty much everything that legitimized the hunt for Bin Laden from the Afghan war to the invasion of Iraq.
Hey. Would our government lie?

UBL is in pakistan and it no local secret – Musharaff is NOW after coup and taking over the country a “benevelont MODERATE” —- But as Chief of the army before – he was Fully incharge overseeing training / Islamic doctrination / brainwashing of Kashmiri youth and afghan tribals to fight in India….. The brief Kargil war with india bought all this to light and their defeat at Indian army hands bought down the late president of Paksitan nawaz sherif and bought Musharaff to Power…..
So he is no saint…. He knows now he is sitting on a Powder Keg CREATED BY HIMSELF…..and he is now – the US on one side and the crazies he trained on the other.
As for US security…..The enemy is already within America itself — America has generously given green cards and lotteries and easy visas to Arabs and muslims — and denied the same to Christians and all other “Safe” nationalities—

Just remember if you had Osama where Bush is now, you would not be making these posts.
Also, maybe it is time for a woman in the White House, we can’t do any worse than the men have done. Not Hillary, I would have more respect for her if she had kicked Bill out onto Pennsylvania Ave.

This seems dauntingly familiar to Orwell’s vision of 1984. An enormity of swaying opinions, statements, bad or incorrect intelligence, conspiracies, etc. has got nothing to do with action. If he is to be our villain, then we must take appropriate, immediate action, to ensure that this person cannot harm the future of the many nations involved. Being that we’re fighting an idea and not a person or group however, there will be no end. There will be no victory or any specific villain.
I’ll leave you with this:
“Until the become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.”
—George Orwell – 1984, pg. 61

sorry

I am a retired US Marine, and was on the ground during Desert Storm/Desert Shield. NCA (Natl. Command Authority) OBVIOUSLY wasn’t wired right on this one. We KNOW where OBL is, AND how to take him out….hmmmm….I’m thinking 40 megatons, airburst 40,000 ft AGL….I HONESTLY wonder if the world would REALLY, TRULY mind, esp. the Muslims, who take ofence when THEIR relatives/countrymen are killed in cold blood….remember 9/11, folks :`(