Honor and Sacrifice
On tonight’s broadcast, World News Sunday anchor Dan Harris examined how the country honors the dead, two days after nine soldiers died in the Diyala province in Iraq, and nine days after the murders at Virginia Tech.
Sergeant Clint Moore, from Johnston County, N.C., played guitar and was on his second tour in Iraq. His sister Leanne Benson told us she wanted “people to know that he believed 100 percent in what he was doing.”
Lieutenant Kevin Gaspers of Hastings, Neb. was a smiling "good old country boy" — and a leader. High school wrestling coach Ryan Brand said Gaspers was "always the one that worked the hardest out of everybody whether it was in school or in sports or whatever he did."
Gaspers and Moore were two of soldiers who died in the attack in Diyala on Monday, exactly one week after the murders at Virginia Tech. Those 32 victims were memorialized in the media and by President Bush, who flew to the campus and ordered the nation’s flag lowered to half staff.
In a commentary mistakenly posted as a press release, Sergeant Jim Wilt, serving in Afghanistan, wrote it was “ironic” that the flag was lowered after Virginia Tech, “yet it is never lowered for the death of a U.S. service member.”
In some newspapers across the country, civilians have voiced similar sentiments.
In the Buffalo News, Susan Stievater of Amherst, N.Y. wrote, "As we mourn the innocent lives of those who were killed or wounded in the shooting rampage at Virginia Tech.”
Robert Brady of Port St. Lucie, Fla. wrote in the Palm Beach Post that after Virginia Tech, "I thought about our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, our heroes who have volunteered to risk life and limb."
In the Ventura County Star, Deputy Opinion Page Editor Richard Larsen noted that 85 soldiers and residents died on the same day as the Virginia Tech murders. "This is happening every day in Iraq and we seem to lose sight of not only the soldiers who are dying and being wounded but also the innocent civilians who are also being killed and wounded," he wrote.
The counter-argument, of course, is that while it’s terrible that soldiers die during wartime, no one expects students to be killed in class.
And as for the flags, some argue that they are only supposed to be lowered when elected officials die, and that those who want them lowered when a soldier dies are trying to score political points against the White House. Still, veterans groups say this debate highlights a growing sense of resentment among many in the military community.
"The sacrifice is from the veterans, the soldiers fighting the war. I think those are the only ones really sacrificing,” Shad Meshad of the National Veterans Foundation said.
For many Americans, military deaths are not big news — unless someone they or someone they love is serving.
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In Maine the flags are lowered at half-staff each time a Maine soldier is buried.
Posted by: Phyllis Rand | April 25, 2007, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
If lowering flags to half-staff to honor Virginia Tech deaths was appropriate. it is much more appropriate to render the same honors to recognize service member deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Let’s lower all flags to half-staff until deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan stop.
Larry Harris
Posted by: Larry Harris | April 25, 2007, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
I’ve wondered too, why doesn’t the country feel some empathy for the solders who are wounded or killed. I’m sorry about the students at Virginia Tech, but much sorrier for the soldiers wounded and killed in Iraq & Afghansistan.
Posted by: Nona Selby | April 25, 2007, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
And last, we would like to ask that you request all of our American Flags to be flown at half-mast until our soldiers come home. This will show the families that have lost a loved one during this war and the soldier who gave his life the respect they deserve from the American people and the leaders of our country.
Sincerely,
Your Fellow Americans
Posted by: susan manis | April 25, 2007, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
I understand that it would be hard to keep lowering the flag every time a service man or women is killed but I have a suggested solution to this. I think that the flag should remain at half mast until all of our service people are home from the war. I don’t mean to take away any respect for those people who were killed at VA Tech but our service people are risking their life every single day.
Posted by: Sharon | April 25, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
I’ve wondered too, why doesn’t the country feel some empathy for the solders who are wounded or killed. I’m sorry about the students at Virginia Tech, but much sorrier for the soldiers wounded and killed in Iraq & Afghansistan.
Posted by: Nona Selby | April 25, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
I think it’s outrageous that our soldiers aren’t honor publicly by this administration so that they can keep a positive spin on the war. If those who come home can be honored I think it’s only fair that they and their families also have that honor. This administration only cares about the spin! It’s disgusting!!
Posted by: Karen Greenwood | April 25, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
I always fly my flag and put it at half mast when requested. Our govenor (Nebraska) and mayor (Omaha) request half mast every time a service man or woman is killed. Every state should do this or all flags should be flown at half mast until the war is over and our people come home.
Posted by: Marge Dudley | April 25, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Everyday across every military installation that has soldiers or airmen deployed, the flags are lowered to half staff for those killed. Everytime my husband and his friends were deployed, I would dread driving by our division offices knowing that the flag could and would be lowered. The only Americans who seem affected by this are servicemember’s families. It seems that America has forgotten us.
Posted by: Angela Rodebaugh | April 25, 2007, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Thank you so much for the above story.
As a wife of a soldier currently serving in Baghdad, I was so angry last week at the attention those who died at Virginia Tech were getting, while the plight of our soldiers is virtually ignored by those not directly affected by the war.
I thought there was something wrong with me for feeling that way. Glad to see I wasn’t out there with my feelings. And glad to see a media outlet pick up on how those who die in this war are often just passed over and quickly forgotten, instead of receiving the attention their deaths deserve.
Posted by: Julie Fredette | April 25, 2007, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
I deem it a slap in the face of military members who die in their country’s service without any flags placed at half mast; yet civilians are shot to death by a crazed gunman and it’s treated like a national tragedy.
Posted by: Karen Vonschloss | April 25, 2007, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
It is true that only those serving in the Middle East and their families and friends suffer. Most of us go about our lives — going to work, going out for dinner, running errands — what are we really giving up? Nothing.
Those serving are giving up their lives. Even if they do not pay the ultimate sacrifice, their time away from home is beyond difficult, if not impossible.
We all need to take a closer look at what is being given up by these brave people and those that love them. Unfortunately we will never be able to fully repay them.
Tracy M. Graley
Columbia, SC
Posted by: Tracy M Graley | April 25, 2007, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
I fully agree that our troops and their families are being put second or even third. They don’t get the recognition they so deserve. As a Mother of two sons serving in Iraq, I worry every single day about them and those serving with them. I know in my heart they’ll be fine and come home safely, but not everyone is so lucky. Their wives and children are having a difficult time dealing with the missing “man”, but they do what they have to do each and every day.
This country needs to realize that no death is more important than another, and not acknowledging these troops and honoring them the same way we have the victims at VT is just not right.
Posted by: Gloria | April 25, 2007, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
They should lower all American flags to half-mast the last day of every month in honor of all the men and women who have lost their lives in Iraq and Afganistan that month.
Posted by: MSG Thomas Robertson, Retired | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
The President does not want the war dead to be honored or else we show the flag drapped coffins as the they are arriving at Dover, Delaware. The President does not want to draw any attention to the war. Out of sight and out of mind.
Posted by: Paul | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
As far as I’m concerned the nation’s flag should continue to fly half staff until this war is over and the troops are home!
Posted by: MStafford | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
My husband was deployed to Iraq in 2003. At that time, all of America was caught up in the excitement that war news brings.
Now, it is sad to watch the indifference that Americans have toward the war. The war has gone on too long, and it is old news.
My heart is saddened with each soldier’s death and even more saddened by the lack of sincere repect that is given to the soldier, and to his family.
The war is not news worthy any longer; racial remarks by Imas or the VT murders are more exciting, are “new” news, and closer to home than the desert of Iraq.
Life goes on for everyone but the soldier that is serving in the Middle East.
Lets bring them all home, where they belong, to their families and homes and home to America.
Lets let the Middle East settle its own problems.
Posted by: MONA HARRISON | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
President Bush has decreed that no photographers or other media is permitted in areas where the caskets containing the bodies of US troops killed in Iraq are returning to U.S. soil. Out of sight out of mind. This works for Bush. It was impossible to hide the level of carnage at VT. Show us our dead. It may make a difference.
Posted by: Frank Wallis | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Michigan lowers the flag every time a Michigan service man/woman dies. This has been going on since almost the very start of the war. How ever, the difference is that the service men and women know the risk when the sign up. Cold blooded murder is not a risk when you sign up for college, at least, it wasn’t then.
Posted by: Bryan Henderson | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
I appreciate you honoring the students murdered at Virginia Tech and our soldiers murdered in Iraq and Afganistan. They aren’t killed, but murdered. Many Americans are unfortunately killed every day. You don’t seem to cover all the American Peace Officers (police) murdered across our country unless there is a manhunt or multiple casualty. Even just one peace officer murdered in a ‘civilized’ society is news also. Thank You!
Posted by: mike gardner | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
The murders at VT were a real shame, just as the murders of 406 people in Philadelphia last year and the 120 plus this year. But they were still murder victims. They were not serving their country and some probably never had any intention of serving their country. They did not deserve to be honored any more than any other murder victim, and definitely not honored as much as a serviceman who gave his life for his country.
Posted by: Art Schleinkofer | April 25, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
i watched you story today about lowering the flag everytime a service member gets killed. well here is what i think , you could not do that because we lose people each and everyday. the flag would just stay down. i am a army wife and i think enough is enough.
Posted by: christy | April 25, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
I think the flag should be lowered until all of our soldiers come home. This is not a political statement at all. It is a reminder to everyone everyday to not forget.
Posted by: Nancy Harvey | April 25, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
As sad as the VT Shootings were, our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are enduring hardships and encountering life and death situations every day. The troops who have lost their lives should be honored and not forgotten because they made the ultimate sacrifice for their country and what they believed in.
It has become politically correct to not support the troops and that is just wrong!
Posted by: Chuck Rubino | April 25, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
I understand & sympathize with all family & friends of lost soldiers. But if we were to fly our flag at half staff whenever a soldier was killed in the line of duty we would never fly our flag at full staff. unfortunately soldiers are killed & wounded every day. Sad but True.
Posted by: Peggy | April 25, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Greatly appreciate George Stephanoupulos’ In Memorium on Sundays listing the names of fallen soldiers—just need to slow it down a bit so that viewers have an opportunity to at least read their names, learn where they were from, etc. Why not expand it and let people see their faces and learn a bit more about them?
Posted by: cindy haskins | April 25, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
I think that the flag should be lowered for soldiers tha are killed in the communities they lived in. To me that is just showing the family that there service is appreciated by the peole in the community .
Posted by: Martin Koelln | April 25, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
As a former Virginia Tech faculty member I was profoundly saddened by the massacre there last week. VT is a school with a strong military orientation and flying flags at half staff to honor the dead seemed very appropriate to me. But failing to similarly acknowledge every soldier and civilian dying daily in Iraq raises a good point. Perhaps we should fly the US flag at half-staff for the duration of this stupid war, as a constant reminder of a flawed and failed foreign policy and a pig-headed administration that refuses to admit a serious mistake that is daily causing American soldiers and Iraqi civilians to just as needlessly die as did the VT students.
Posted by: Paula Dail | April 25, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
President Bush has decreed that no photographers or other media is permitted in areas where the caskets containing the bodies of US troops killed in Iraq are returning to U.S. soil. Out of sight out of mind. This works for Bush. It was impossible to hide the level of carnage at VT. Show us our dead. It may make a difference.
Posted by: Frank Wallis | April 25, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
As I recall, it was in an interview a few months back, with Charlie Gibson, that President Bush stated (in response to a question about multiple deployements being an excessive burden) that people need to understand that the military is different today, in that the soldiers are not drafted, but are volunteers.
I think that comment fits in well with my impression of President Bush, that the military is simply a tool for him to use, at his will.
If anyone has tried to score political points with the public in their use of the military, it is President Bush.
Posted by: kloepper | April 25, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
I think that the flag should be lowered for soldiers tha are killed in the communities they lived in. To me that is just showing the family that there service is appreciated by the peole in the community .
Posted by: Martin Koelln | April 25, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Our congregation has recently hung a banner from
the front of our historic church that reads,
“Support Our Troops – Bring Them Home!” We are
looking forward to changing the banner to
“Welcome Home Troops!”
Having just viewed you spot on “Honor and Sacrafice,” especially the section on flying the flag at halfmast, I feel that this nation
should fly all flags at halfmast until all of our
troops are home.
Rev. John Pastor
Minister
First Congregational Parish Unitarian
Petersham,MA
Posted by: Rev. John Pastor | April 25, 2007, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Although it is a tradgity when a soldier, defending our nation is killed – there is a difference in the expectations of sending your child off to college vs sending the off to the service. A kid heading off to class does not in any way think he/she is entering a battle field. A kid heading off to boot camp knows that it is likely that he/she will see combat. Their death is no less valuble then the college kid gun downed in class, but the horror is not expected and therefore it is more shocking !
Posted by: Linda | April 25, 2007, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Thanks so much to ABC News for this story.
As the wife of a soldier currently serving in Baghdad. I was so angry last week about the attention give to the Virginia Tech tragedy, while soldiers deaths are never given the attention they deserve. Glad to know I wasn’t the only one feeling that way.
Posted by: Julie Fredette | April 25, 2007, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Dear Charles Gibson:
There should be permanent flags flown at half
staff for all our troops at the White House. There should be two flags – one in the form of
a purple heart and our general American Flag.
I don’t agree with the statement that the families
of the troops are the sole sufferers. After
all, they are not only fighting for this Country,
but sacrificing their lives for those of us who
choose not to serve in these wars. We all pay
the price.
Posted by: June Pollard | April 25, 2007, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
I am the daughter of a vet who after 12 years retired volunteered to come back in and serve his country once more. I served 5 years in the army myself, and i am married to a solider who has served for more than 13 years. I have supported my husband through 2 tours of Iraq and 1 tour in Korea. Between 2002 and 2006, my husband was away for more than 3 of those 4 years. I have sacrificed a lot for him, because i love him not because i believe in the President or his policies. I got out of the military because i knew that Bush was going to do something that would hurt the soldiers and their families. I will never regret my choice to leave the army. I am constantly worried that my father or my husband will have to serve another tour in a war torn country. All i want is for this madness to end so that my friends and family can be whole again and not be scared of the next deployment.
Posted by: Renee Coates, vet | April 25, 2007, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
I disagree with these people that are saying we do not lower our flags to half staff. We the people of the U.S.A. support our troops very well. Our troops are thought of all the time,our schools support them they collect all kinds of stuff to be sent to them, we have adopt a soilder programs. Our soilders are talked about very highly.
Thanks, Melissa in Michigan
Posted by: Melissa | April 25, 2007, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
As a military Mom – I believe the flag should be flown at half mast while we are at war. Our brave soldiers are dying everyday. Our hearts go out to the children at VT but our hearts also go out to the children in our military.
Posted by: Mrs. Fritz | April 25, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Ok listen im 14 and even I know why we lower the flag for the Virginia Tech victims and not the war victims it is simply because the Virginia Tech victims were not expecting to be killed but on the other hand, the war victims took that risk at staring death in the face and decided to risk life and limb for thier country.
Posted by: Scott Adkins | April 25, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
We should honor the vets in Afghanistan. But, we don’t belong in Iraq; we never did. We didn’t go there to fight terrorists. Rather, we went to steal the oil production from French companies and give it to Cheney’s buddies. We were stooges in Vietnam but were drafted into that war. It’s hard to feel sorry for young men who willingly go off to war but don’t study our recent history.
Posted by: bob | April 25, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
As a Mother of a son in Irac with the 10th Mtn. Division, I think the flags should be flown at half staff until each and every soldier fighting over there comes home!!
Posted by: Michelle Kistler | April 25, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
WE should be lowering our flags at all times till our MEN & WOMEN come HOME!!! I have felt that for a long time. If we all see the flags lowered it will remind us that many are dying everyday!! Thanks for asking for our thoughts. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Posted by: Diana | April 25, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
MY SON CWO 4 ERIC A. SMITH DIED IN IRAQ APRIL 2, 2003. THEY ARE BEING SSACRIFICED NEDLESSLY AND NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM THEMSELVES. THESE SOLDIERS HAVE A MISSION AND THEY ARE NOT QUICK TO CRITISICZE IT WHILE BULLETS ARE FLYING AND THEIR BUDDIES ARE BEING KILLED AND INJURED. YOU CAN’T FIGHT AND BELIEVE THE FIGHT IS UNNECESSARY.THEY RETURN WILLINGLY TO PROTECT THEIR BUDDIES. THEY FEEL GUILTY IF THEY DON’T. THEY DON’T LIKE THIS WANTON KILLING ANYMORE THAN WE DO. THEY JUST DON’T EXPRESS IT.
THIS WAR WILL END AND THAT IS REALLY WHEN THEY WILL BE FORGOTTEN. WATCH THE DIVORCES AND FAMILY UPHEAVEALS BEGIN AND THEIR LIVES ARE IRRETRIVABLY CHANGED FOR THE WORST.
Posted by: DR. TED SMITH | April 25, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
If lowering the flag is reserved for the death of an elected official, then why is it lowered for the Virginia Tech deaths. Although tragic, death occurs every day in this useless war we are in. EVERY DAY, and only if they are local service men do we even hear their names. I don’t think that anyone expects the flag lowered for EVERY service man or woman, in that case it would have to just remain at haft mast, but I do think it should be reserved for honoring our service people. I think this country is becoming a real sad state of affairs.
Posted by: Patti | April 25, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I agree that our soldiers, who are risking their lives everyday either in Afghanistan, Iraq, or anywhere they are stationed in the United States and the world, should be acknowledged and recognized. Flying our flags at half staff is just one of the ways heroes who have died are recognized. Perhaps we should think about the reasons for flying the flags at half staff. I don’t believe the shooting at VT warranted the flags flown at half staff but it’s already been done and a precedent has been set.
Maybe all government buildings should, as long as we are “at war” fly their flags at half staff to honor our soldiers who have died. As a citizen that flies the flag in our yard, I too, would follow what the government buildings would do.
We should never forget our soldiers.
Posted by: Maureen Hamilton | April 25, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I live in Michigan. Govenor Jennifer Granholm has the flag flown at halfmast for every Michigan soldier killed. So at least in Michigan we honor our service men.
Posted by: krueger | April 25, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
What has happened to us? Have we become complacent, we, the babyboomers, that staged rallies in the 1960′s to protest the VietNam War. These are our sons and daughters that are serving in Iraq. Everyday we hear that more have died and we do nothing. We have become conditioned. What a poor commentary!
As a mother of two sons, my heart weeps every time that I hear that another soldier has died but I do not know what to do.
What can I do to let the soldiers know that I appreciate the sacrifice that you are making??????
Posted by: LINDA | April 25, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
Perhaps, as a nation, we would do more to honor the dead and injured heroes and heroines from our armed services if those who started and continue to prosecute this war would allow the people – whom they are supposed to serve – the freedom to see, and to mourn the flag drapped caskets as they arrive.
I believe the gag rule imposed by Bush and his minions on news coverage of the coffins and bodies arriving at Andrews and other airbases has done as much to dissuade public expression of grief and honor toward our fallen heroes as anything.
While I regret the loss of lives at Virginia Tech – I regret more the America I remember – one that took pride in all it’s young people – both at university and in the armed services.
You are right in observing that it seems only the service people and their families are asked to sacrifice – yet I believe many US citizens would gladly sacrifice for the service people if it would mean they could come home more quickly and safely – apparently that doesn’t fit with the administration’s plan.
Finally, I find it shameful that the current occupant of the white house would use the VT tragedy for political purposes. Lowering the flags to half staff for university students cheapens the gesture – why now? Was it done when the Amish children were killed?
It is simply another case of poor judgement on the part of Bush.
Respectfully,
TJ Springer
Posted by: TJ Springer | April 25, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I, too, have wondered why so much attention has been paid to the horrible events in Blacksburg, while at the same time we read small notices in our daily newspaper about the deaths of Marine here in the Camp Lejeune area. Their parents, wives, siblings and friends all suffer and mourn those losses. And, to add to the hurt is the fact that many of them leave little ones who will never know the wonderful parent who has sacrified for our country.
Posted by: Mary Tracy | April 25, 2007, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
My husband served more than twenty years in the military, and I recall having to hear people shout “babykillers,” during the Vietnam War at one of the bases where my husband served. My guess is that the country does not want to know that our soldiers must go to war and fight for all the freedoms that all Americans demand to have. Why can’t we get our priorities straight? Are students who have no intention of serving their country more important than those who do?
Posted by: scot | April 25, 2007, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
As the mother of an Army sergeant about to be deployed for a second tour in Iraq I too am very disappointed in the actions of our President. As our young men and women are dying for his cause our President is dancing and telling jokes. He was hasty to fly to Blacksburg, Virginia to talk to the students during their tragedy yet he has not attended one veteran’s burial at Arlington when all he has to do is drive across the bridge. It’s very disheartening.
Posted by: Audrey Repka | April 25, 2007, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
on the news tonight (april 25, 2007)it was said americans do not care, or maybe it was, do not support the troops. what a cruel statement. I hope they do not believe that. I am horrified every time I hear of one killed or maimed. I don’t know what to do. Does anyone. Americans want to dance around everything. How are we suppose to win this war? I don’t know. We do not want to kill innocent people, women or children. We are so limited in the way we fight wars. I am not saying this is wrong. I do not know. I do know that since September 11, 2001, when they decided that fighting in their own country was not enough and wanted to bring it over to our country, how are we suppose to know what to do.
Do I want our soldiers over there getting killed. NO! Do I want our country protected? Yes. So what do we do. I have not heard an answer yet.
Posted by: Deann Simmons | April 25, 2007, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
It is indeed a shame that we appropriately paid tribute to the tragedy at VT, but have done virtually nothing for our service people. In time of war, I believe we should keep out flags at half mask everyday we are at war, since almost everyday a soldier pays the ultimate sacrafice…
Posted by: Gary Berset | April 25, 2007, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Sad Commentary:
I am devestated that we even have to debate whose death means more – a student? or a soldier? The loss of a innocent life snuffed out before it is well lived shows us the impact of hatred in our society whether a soldier or a student. As Americans we may not have individual means of solving the ills present in our society but, we do have the collective ability to support those who morn whether a student or soldier!
Posted by: Carol Christianson | April 25, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
It is almost 6:00 P.M. here in sleeply hollow Wisconsin and I have just listened to Charles Gibson discussing the half-mast issue. My flag was raised to half-mast years ago and will remain there until our troops are out of
” someone elses war “. To call this tradgey a war is incorrect…in a war you know who the enemy is , he’s in uniform and so are you.This is a waste of good Americans who , I beleive,were lead astray and feel obligated to stand in harms way because they were told this was the right thing to do. We now know better.
I don’t need my ” governor ” or ” president” to tell me when I should honor anyone.
Sal. Curcurio
American
Posted by: Mr. Sal. Curcurio | April 25, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
As the wife of a disabled Viet Nam veteran I too took note of the flags flying at half mast for the VT students. I do mourn their deaths, but let us not forget our servicemen that die everyday. Most times their names are only known to their families..Let us recognize their ultimate sacrifice. Fly the flags for our servicemen..
Posted by: Maria Hogan | April 25, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Flags are lowered in the state of Michigan.
When a member of the military, who is either a current resident or a Michigan native, is killed in combat in either Iraq or Afghanistan, flags are lowered for one day. This is by order of Governor Jennifer Granholm. It was oppossed initially by some Republican politicians. However veterans groups were very quick to answer their opposition.
It is a reminder of the cost to us all.
Posted by: Gary Jablonski | April 25, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
I FEEL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT APPLES AND ORANGES. I PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS EVERYDAY!! BUT THIS IS THERE JOB. THEY SIGNED UP FOR IT.
THE MASSACRE AT VT WAS ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE, DYING, AT THE HANDS OF A SEVERLY MENTALLY DISTURBED PERSON. AGAIN APPLES AND ORANGES.
Posted by: reda | April 25, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
My husband and I both think the flag should be at half mast for the troops. It could be a weekly ritual and or monthly.
To honor the students at VT was done rightly; however, the soldiers living and dead need to be recognized also.The sacrifices they are making, have made by flying the flag at half mast once a week or once a month in tribute to them and their families would be a ritual long remembered.
We seldom speak of the families who also should be honored for their sacrifices. This practice would honor them also.
And please do not degrade this ritual by saying it is a political statement. This should be a ritual about human sacrifices,love and rememberance, not politics.
Posted by: Sue Philipak | April 25, 2007, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
I am astounded that flying the flag at half mast for our dead soldiers has been called a political statment against the administration. Of course, I want to support the troops to “Be all that they can be!” Alive.
Posted by: Sharon Griffith | April 25, 2007, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
With all due respect to anyone who is a soldier or has a family member in the Iraq war. I feel to compare, or to have anger and frustration at the media coverages respect given to the victims in the Virginia Tech tragedy is misplaced.
Soldiers have chosen to place themselves in harms way when they sign up for duty to a form of the military. It is a part of the job unfortunately. I have all the respect in the world for what they do to protect my rights and freedoms of which I am exercising at this time in writing my comments. Soldiers however are not helpless victims, but honorable men and women who have chosen to serve and protect. Dignify them with this honor by not portraying them as victims along side the Virginia Tech victims.
Virginia Tech students and faculty did not sign up to be in harms way. They were conducting their lives in a manner they felt was safe and honorable and this does deserve recognition just as we recognized the Oklahoma bombing victims, or the 911 terrorist victims.
Posted by: Audrey Browne | April 25, 2007, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
I think that we are in the situation where the flags should be lowered all the time in the country. Our best men, our heros die every day in Iraq and Afganistan, they deserve our respect the most. I am sorry for VT students and their families, but I don’t think that their deaths are more or less important from the deaths of the soldiers.
Posted by: Ania | April 25, 2007, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
As a Mother of a son stationed with the 10th Mtn. Division in Irac, I think the flags should be at half staff until each and every soldier over there comes home!!
Posted by: Michelle Kistler | April 25, 2007, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
It is almost 6:00 P.M. here in sleeply hollow Wisconsin and I have just listened to Charles Gibson discussing the half-mast issue. My flag was raised to half-mast years ago and will remain there until our troops are out of
” someone elses war “. To call this tradgey a war is incorrect…in a war you know who the enemy is , he’s in uniform and so are you.This is a waste of good Americans who , I beleive,were lead astray and feel obligated to stand in harms way because they were told this was the right thing to do. We now know better.
I don’t need my ” governor ” or ” president” to tell me when I should honor anyone.
Sal. Curcurio
American
Posted by: Mr. Sal. Curcurio | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
How do you compare the loss of a life? You can’t! All should be mourned. Just as you can’t compare our national guard reservists to career military. These are civilians fighting in a foreign country when they should be here, serving this country. How can a 53 year old reservist be sent to Iraq for a 3rd time??? This is unbearably sad and wrong! My flag will be flown at half mast until all our soldiers come home. I pray that it will be soon.
Posted by: Susan Rosenberg | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
We agree with you. The soldiers deserve more honoring.
Posted by: M. Bridges | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
I agree! I felt the same way when we mourned the loss of life at Virginia Tech, but we are almost numb to the fact that lives are loss, both soldier and innocent Iraqi citizen, every day. I have a suggestion — maybe we should lower the flag at half staff until all are soldiers are out of Iraq. Every time a citizen walks or drives by a government building and sees the flag, they will be reminded that a life has been lost, and a family member is mourned, here or in Iraq.
Posted by: Mary Clark | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
For the past week, I’ve been bothered that we spend so much time peering into the Virginia Tech killings. While I’m sure the students who were shot were good people, and that those who knew them loved them very much, the coverage is, at the least, excessive. I wonder why those who died when the World Trade Center was attacked rate such attention, and their families receive government payments, while those who died in Oklahoma City do not. I wonder why the soldiers and civilians who die in Iraq every day seem to be valued less by the nation. Life and death are not fair, of course, but twenty-four hour attention to memorials and interviews with friends of the murdered are just ghoulish. Such selective coverage of the tragedies of others have forced me to turn away from television coverage of the latest disasters.
Posted by: Mary Thompson | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
This war as gone on for 4yrs and it is considered “old” news but when you are a resident of a town where the service members live or at the base where they are stationed it is a big deal it is not old news. We lose men and women everyday that are sons, daughter, fathers, mothers, brothers, and sisters. Yes They volunteered to service thier country but who thought in the 12yrs they served or in the 1st year they served that they would be on a C-130 headed for the middle east fighting for their country who was attacked. These service members are brave; they did not back out or run as others have. They have left thier new spouses, babies, families to do what they were told to do with honor. We SHOULD still honor them in every way they are the reason we wake up in a free country and can live the way we do everyday. Whether you believe in the war or not these men and women are heros. They return to thier homes and families with medical conditions and very rarely do they complain or talk bad about thier leaders. They are proud they could fight for their home. We have no right to take that honor and pride away. If people think that these men and women don’t derseve the flag at half staf or honor for thier sacrifices then I say to you GO AND FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, LOSE A LOVED ONE, OR HAVE SOMEONE YOU KNOW COME HOME WITH MENTAL, PHYSICAL DISABILITIES AND THEN YOU TELL US THAT IT IS NOT RIGHT TO HONOR THESE SACRIFICES! It is sad our own veterans don’t get the support from a nation that looks to them in time of need!!
To All US Service Members and thier families I thank you for ALL you sacrifice.
Posted by: Spouse of a Soldier | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
The real heroes are the young men and women who choose to serve their country in the military knowing, very well, they might have to pay the ultimate sacrifice. The young men and women who died at the hands of the gunman in Virginia just happened to be in a mad man’s line of fire. I don’t consider them heroes.
Posted by: Joan Gondeck | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
We agree with you. The soldiers deserve more honoring.
Posted by: M. Bridges | April 25, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
I think all flags should be lowered to half staff and left that way until all our boys are home. Since there are boys killed everyday in Iraq and Afganistan I think the flags should be lowered in respect for them.
Posted by: Elizabeth Aspinall | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
I, too, believe we should be giving our military more respect and honor. While I grieve for all those victims and their families from VT, I especially grieve for all those families that have lost loved ones in the war in Iraq. If we can give a week or more attention to the VT incident, we can surely give more time to our military. After all, they are laying their life on the line for ALL of us,.
Posted by: Sandy | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
As I listened to the news report about how our country was honoring the victims of the Virgina Tech. shooting, I am deeply saddened. I realize it is a tragedy that never should have happened, but as the daughter and daughter in law of a career army soldier I am more grieved by how easily we have forgotten our soldiers serving in irag and in other areas in harms way.We lose brave men and women weekly,and how often has our presidentgone to speak to their families. How often has our flag that their lives protect been lowered in respect to their memory.What these men and women do for our safety often goes unnoticed .But, everyday their families live on the edge and pray for their safe return. Yes virginia tech was a tradgedy, but so is the disrespect we have for our soldiers.
Posted by: Betty Hook | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
As far as I am concerned this was a stupid mistake made by an egotistical president whom some call “King George”.Since we can not dump tea bales into a harbor ,as a protest against the war and to honor the dead, the flag should be flown at half mast until every American soldier is home again. Oh yes, and the greatest honor we can pay, is to take proper care of those who return, whether wounded or just needing a job.
Posted by: C. baker | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
At the end of “This Week” with George Stepahnopolis, a list(as released by the military) is posted of the names of the soldiers killed, their ages and their home towns.
I think every newscast should end with a similar list. the American public thought we had spoken at the ballot box, last November, but this President is deaf.
If every newscast ended with such a list, perhaps enough outrage could be generated to reach even into the white House.
Posted by: JHarrington | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Let’s face it….Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen, and Guardsmen go to war. The other 99.5% of Americans go to the mall.
Posted by: RICH HOST | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Flying the American flag at half staff in honor of soldiers whose lives are lost is a small token of acknowledgement we can make. It will also serve as a daily reminder to all of us of the tragic loss that so many families are facing. It seems that we are not supporting our troops with appropriate health care, their families suffer financial stress, and the soldiers are having their tour of duty extended. We are a nation in mourning and the flag needs to be at half staff.
Posted by: Angie Bell | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Absolutely we should be paying more homage to our military fallen heros. All our president has asked us to do is “go shopping.” We were even denied seeing soldiers’ coffins arrive home. I would like to see daily or weekly victims of the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars acknowledged as were the VT victims. I mourn for the victims of VT but felt the flag at half staff was not appropriate.
Posted by: P. B. Hayes | April 25, 2007, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
I am a former Marine and veteran of the first Gulf War. I saw this evening’s report on flying the flag at half staff in reaction to the VT massacre vs not doing the same for fallen troops overseas.
Although I respect the view presented, there is a major difference between service members making the ultimate sacrifice as VOLUNTEERS and college students being slaughtered in their classrooms.
In the military you understand the risk. The students and faculty at VT were completely unware of any danger on the morning of their deaths.
Yes, America must show greater respect in honoring its fallen military heroes. However, VT’s innocent victims are unexpected casualties worthy of lowering the flag in their honor.
Posted by: Ken Mazzrillo | April 25, 2007, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
It seem like the service man is the lowest form of life for some people. The only time their given any help or credit is in a world war. The people in Washington only care about getting their name in the paper. By their arguments about pulling the troops out they give the enemy the incentive to fight on. They believe that we are a country divided and we end up in these Nam type conflects.
Posted by: Larry Meyer | April 25, 2007, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Instead of waisting time in the debate about who the flag should be lowered for; we need to thank are solder’s and our veterens that we don’t have to live with these acts every single day as for the citizan’s in Iraq and other countries do. It’s sad that these things happen, but they are going to happen agian. We Americans take things for granet and have the “Well it’s not going to happen to me” attitude. It’s an honor to have the flag lowered when someone passes. For many of the solder’s who to pass in Iraq their home town does honor them by lowering the flag.
Posted by: amy | April 25, 2007, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
I live in a small town in Michigan of 915 poeple. I work at our village office. We lower the flag, every-time a Michigan soldier is killed in the war. One day for each soldier. It has been lowered alot.
We recieve the e-mail to do so from our governor.
I thought all states did this. they should!
Posted by: Debbie Burrows Columbiaville, Michigan | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
why do you even do stories like this? just to get under peoples skin? there is no comparison to these issues. we are at war in a country thousands of miles away of course people are going to die there. it a sad and discusting fact, but we know it is going to happen. and of course we as americans are saddened each time we here of the death and distruction in any war torn country. but when innocent students are attacked in our own homeland it rips your heart right out, as they have been so many times over the past years. there is just no comparison. soldiers and there families know the risk when they are sent into those hostile situations. you don’t think that sending your child to college is going to end in there being gunned down while setting in there classroom. not in america, anyway. yes the flags should have been flown at half staff because a nation was in mourning due to this senseless act of violance. and yes, calling for a momment of silance, was appropriate too. and it was a small gesture of kindness shown by our president to go there and express his and the country’s sorrow. there that’s my two cents worth. Thank God for freedom of press. evelyn in mcminnville
Posted by: evelyn | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
I live in a town oustide the largest U.S Military Instillation in the world. Every day young men and women are sacrificing their lives for innocent Iraqi people to live in a country free from terror and violence. These soldiers who die are not memorialized in the news as the victims of mass shooting at VT were done. Every day for several days I had to watch and see a portrayal of poor them they were just going to school, the events that took place were tragic, but did the soldiers who just died earlier this week get that same sentiment? No, they did not. The military men and women are silently sacrificing so that the media and others can forget exactly what price they pay each and every day thousands of miles away from their homes and families. Their sacrifice is more important than splashing hour after hour of a shooting tragedy for days on the news. Not once has the media or this country really taken the time to honor and appreciate not only what they are doing in Iraq and other places in the world but what they do at home and the veteran’s who have served and sacrificed before them. It is time to stand up and tell them that their sacrifice is not unnoticed and is appreciated and that they are supported in all they do overseas and at home. I support all the men and women of the United States military and their families. God Bless each and every one of them.
Posted by: Jennifer McDaniel | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
The reason why we don’t honor our dead american soldiers is because the bush administration has out-smarted themselves. Our dead soldiers come back from Iraq and the bush adminstration censors the flights and don’t allow pictures of the coffins.
Posted by: Alisa Alston | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
The sacrafice made by our soldiers is not forgotten by the media, or the people of this country.
I think one important fact is being overlooked in the comparison between the soldiers who have lost their lives in Iraq, or in service throughout the world and the Virginia Tech victims. The soldiers who are proudly serving their country are there because they signed up and accepted the risk of doing so. The Virginia Tech victims were not doing anything to put themselves in harms way. It was sudden, unexpected and just as tragic as when one or multiple soldiers die in battle.
Soldiers are also given military honors when they die….medals, military funerals, etc. That does not make up for the fact they were taken away from their families and loved ones….but it is all the same an honor specially held for only them.
The victims at Virginia Tech will not get any such honor, so if the nation decided to lower a flag for a few days, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
That’s just my opinion.
Posted by: Charline | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
My 21 year old son serves in the Navy and just returned from duty in Iraq several months ago. He has already been told that he is returning to Iraq in December 2007. Even though I support the troops and my heart goes out to each and every family that loses a loved one I am so sick and tired of President Bush and his tatics. We should be bringing these young people home. They have done their duty. I think it would be a whole different ball game if the Government’s children had to go over to Iraq. I support my son and what he has to do, but I no longer support this on going war. It breaks my heart everytime I see on the news how we lost another troop. Our children that are over in Iraq and their families are the only ones that are making the sacrifice. How easily in our everyday lives we forget the young lives that are being lost everyday.
Posted by: patty | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Our congregation recently put up a banner on the front of our historic church that reads:
“Support Our Troops – Bring Them Home!”
We are looking forward to the day when we
can change the banner to read:
“Welcome Home Troops!”
After viewing your piece, especially the section on flying the flag at half staff. I feel that this nation should fly all their flags at half staff until all the troops come home.
Rev. John Pastor
Minister
First Congregational Parish Unitarian
Petersham, Massachusetts
Posted by: Rev. John Pastor | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
I feel that we all as Americans should remember the fallen students at VT. I was deeply touched by the picture montage you ran at the end of the show last week, but you report the lose of American soldiers almost every night. I think that ABC, NBC and CBS and any other news program should have a picture montage for the fallen soldiers every time you report them being killed.
The American people need to be reminded in a somber and patriotic way, of the people that sacrificed thier lives for our freedom and liberty. I personally would rather have you sacrifice a little political news for the remberance of our heros.
Posted by: James Collins | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
I first heard about this storey on TV. Then I came to the website to read more. I think the reason the soldiers kinda get over looked is because they’ve been fighting over seas for six years and theres so many of them. The soldiers also knew there was a possibility(with the hope of God maybe not)that they could die when they signed up for the military. The VAT students had no clue what was about to happen to them. They just went to school that day with hopes of doing something with there lives and trigically there lives were ended.
Posted by: keri | April 25, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
My wife reminded me that we always honor veterans on Memorial Day by lowering the flag to half staff until noon. This somehow wasn’t mentioned on tonight’s broadcast. Although this is a one time occurance yearly, it is done to honor all service men and women who have lost their lives in the defense of our country. In the small town that I grew up in, Memorial Day was, and still is, a day to revere the servicemen with the school band rendering the National Anthem, the reading of Logan’s Orders, and the lowering of all flags in town. The American Legion offered the rifle salute and the emphasis was the rememerance of the sacrifices rather than the parties and barbeques.
Greg Roosevelt
Swisher, Iowa
Posted by: Greg Roosevelt | April 25, 2007, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
I do feel bad for the students at VT, but when you have american kids dying for nothing in a foreign country it is bad, and the Bush administration should be held responsible. Fathers, mothers , sisters , and brothers who have children are dying for and will never see there love ones again because of a senseless war that was started by people who have ego’s and are fooling the American people.I am a veteran of the war and I never even seen a dead American soldier brought before the American people like the students from VT. Yes, I want to politicalize it because the people who joined the military would have been sitting in one of the classrooms. Like the shooter said they are all rich kids, and people are joining the military to get the education benefits, but Bush is sacificing them. Where was Bush and Cheney during the Vietnam war, and did they support the troops during that war. But we have stupid American who never served and still support the war, they are hypocrites.
Posted by: Ed Gibbons | April 25, 2007, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Some commented in your story that we should lower the flag for all American soldiers that have died in recent combat, like President Bush had done for the VT students (civillians shot while being free to study).What is not realized is that we (as a nation) honor the soldiers by taking “Old Glory” OFF of the flagpole and COVER OUR HEROS with the greatest symbol in the world, and we HONOR them and their sacrifice. Then when that American flag is taken off the casket, we (the nation) pass that honored flag on to the loved ones of our hero, so that they may know their nation can still be FREE (to study), due to their American soldier that was trained (and volunteered) to do a job.
Posted by: Fred Youmans | April 25, 2007, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
We are willing to give our lives in defense of our country not for recognition but rather to ensure that people do not have to worry about being gunned down while they are in school.
If I die in defense of my country I don’t want to be recognized individually, I only want to be remembered with the rest of my fellow brothers and sisters in arms.
Posted by: Joe | April 25, 2007, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
As a teacher,I understand completely why our nation needed to lower our flag in response to the Virginia Tech massacre. As a proud American, I do not understand why our American flag is not at half mast for our American heroes.I would like to suggest that the American flag which flies on our nation’s Capitol Building be flown at half mast until the war in Iraq has come to an end.
Posted by: DOREEN HOLLAND | April 25, 2007, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
It is a tragedy when anyone’s child is killed. It is also a tragedy when American Citizens are killed by other Americans. We should all be pulling together and support each other as well as our servicemen and women. Our son is in the Army, and maybe headed to Iraq in the near future. I would appreciate everyone’s prayers for him and all of our servicemen and women. Each death is a tragedy, whether it is abroad or in the US one does not outweight the other. Just ask a parent.
Posted by: Kim Crawley | April 25, 2007, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
How vulgar and manipulative of ABC to even comment on a correlation between our brave soldiers dying in an effort to bring a better way of life for others, (it’s called freedom, ABC!)and students murdered by a madman with demons who never laid down his life for anyone. The attention or lack thereof is largely in the hands of the media, and that would include you, Charlie Gibson. I don’t know who your “reporting” hurt more . . . families of soldiers in Iraq or those of students at VA Tech. Just keep selling that advertising time, Charlie.
Posted by: Donna Lou Shickel | April 25, 2007, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
As a twenty-two year armed forces veteran, I have always considered the honoring of our military deaths at the funeral with the military honor guard and, more importantly, the flag drapped casket and presentation of that flag to the family preferable to flying the flag at half-staff. I prefer to see our flag flying at its highest point wherever displayed as a symbol to our country and the world for all the good things it represents.
Posted by: John Ralph | April 25, 2007, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
After hearing the news tonight on ABC about the soldier’s who have lost their lives in the Iraq war and how their families and loved one’s are the only one’s suffering their lost. I agree with the people who write in about the VT terror and the flags flying half mass and not flying the flag half mass when one of our sholders are killed in Iraq. I know the VT killing was a massive unnessary brutal killing, but this is happening to our sholders everyday and no one is lowering the flags in America for their deaths. My husband a retired Soldier of the VN war fought for our country for a lost cause. His life was in danger each day and he came home to a non hero’s welcome. Do we want the same thing to happen all over again with the Iracq war? Our Soldiers and families deserve more reconigtion than they are getting.
Thanks for allowing us the American people to express our feelings about this and other news.
Hazel wife of a former Vietnam soldier
Posted by: Hazel | April 25, 2007, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
What is really ironic about this is, just last week I made almost the same statement. I do feel deep sorrow for each family that lost a love one at VA Tech, but as a mother of a Army soldier in Iraq for the 3rd time, I must agree, when do we honor all our men and women who died for their country? When I mentioned this one of my co-workers stated “the men & women in the military chose to go into the military and they know they have to serve their country in good and bad times. But these were innocent students just trying to learn an education to get a good job.” Well this is just not true, most of our military men and women go into the military to support their families. Alot of them are from poor backgrounds that could not afford to send them to college, so they chose the military to get their education. No, when they joined the military they did not ask to go to war. I do believe we tend to forget America’s true heros, our military men and women. Yes, we have way too many deaths to keep on lowering the flag, but why can’t the president say on this date we will lower the flags to half mast until this date, to honor all our military men and women who have lost their lives in the line of duty and who are still serving overseas to protect our country.
I guess some will say I’m just a disgruntled mother, but I do have a heart and feel for everyone who loses a love one. But I also feel we must honor our men and women of the military and show them we are still behind them and very proud of them.
Sincerely
Linda Etheridge
Palm Bay, FL
Posted by: Linda Etheridge | April 25, 2007, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
I have read the letter from the Sgt regarding the lowering of the flag for the Virginia Tech students. I have to agree with him. My husband and son have both been to Iraq to serve their country, and will be leaving again soon to serve their counrty in Iraq once again. What the men and woman over there do, is nothing less then heroic. I have always wondered why the flag is not flown at half staff when a sevice member dies while fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. I was very upset to learn that the president allowed the flag to be flown at half staff for a week (some are still at half staff)for the VT students, when you have men and woman dying for their country so that people can go to the school of their choice and they are not given the same honor!! I think flying the American flag at half staff is a small way that we as Americans can show our respect for our fallen heros!
Posted by: Lori Koga | April 25, 2007, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GETTING FED UP WITH THE ACTORS DOING FUND RASIERS FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE U.S. MOST OF WHOM DON’T LIKE US. AND ALSO PEOPLE LIKE OPHRA WHO GIVES A TON OF MONEY TO AFRICA. YET NOT ONE OF THEM HAS A FUND RAISER FOR MILITARY FAMILY’S. SOME WHO’S HUSBAN’S OR WIFE’S WILL NEVER COME HOME. AND THOSE WHO ARE WOUNDED SO BAD ,THEY’LL NEVER ENJOY THE LIFE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE.
Posted by: JOHN PICCIRILLI | April 25, 2007, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
To the person/persons, that questioned the Honoring of the Students at VT and not our soldiers, apparently does not listen to the evening news. In Michigan, Governor Granholm, request that are Flags be flown at half staff all the time to honor our fallen soldiers. The announce the Names and towns they are from and have the flags lowered to half staff to honor our heroes. as far as to who should be honored does it really matter? They all were doing what they were suppose to be doing. It was a tragedy what happened at VT. and it was nice that we remembered them. But that doesn’t mean we think any less of our soldiers. Why aren’t we honoring the police and firefighters that are fallen they were protecting us too. shouldn’t we lower the flags for them also? what the hell why don’t we just leave the Flags at half staff all the time, so we won’t offend anyone. move on and find somthing else to complain about.
Posted by: Julie A Parker | April 25, 2007, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
I agree wholeheartly with Sgt. Moore’s actions. It is taken for granted that the members of our Armed Forces will always stand the watch. We are send in harms way and once it turns ugly, the troops are ingnored. Many of those that are fighting are as innocent as those in VT. Just because they received some training does not necessarily prepared them for this ugly war. Our Commander in Chief better start caring for our Troops or even they will start turning on him like the rest of the nation. The Armed Forces of the United States of America are what keeps us Free, and to use a cliche that has been ingnored also, FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. Lets start feeling for our troops and their families. The Nation’s support is about as important as the war materiel that they need for combat.
It takes more than a yeloow ribbon and a bumper sticke.
When our troops suffer heavy casualties, the Nation, lead by our Commander In Chief must be made aware. And what easier way, flyng our National Colors at half-mast. After all its those in our Armed Forces that defend the flag and our Nation.
Treto Garza
Harlingen, TX
Posted by: Treto Garza | April 25, 2007, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
World News Tonight highlighted the issue of the lack of honor bestowed on those who give their all, their life in service to their country. Media outlets from all quarters overplayed the Virginia Tech shooting rampage (and the shooter more so than the victims) while daily service men and women die in Iraq and Afghanistan. While the public craves information about the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, the public has no control about the extent and time given to the coverage. Every day, 80 people are murdered in America. Where is the coverage? the lowered flags in our local cities for these fallen? The media has the responsibility in trust to balance the news coverage in proper perspective.
Posted by: Ted Salgado | April 25, 2007, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
I agree we do not publicize nor do we recognize the soldiers who are giving ALL ant more to protect us and keep us in the freedoms that we enjoy. Instead, the media and political partitioners embrace acts of common criminals and murderers,lowering flags for victims. The last time I checked, the soldiers keep the flag flying high. While I am not dishonoring anyone’s memory or lessining the seriousness of the VT shootings,I can not help but wonder if it was less talked about,would the likelyhood of it happening again be less,with the criminal knowing the chances of he or she being immortalized was unlikely? Not embracing the soldiers touches me,particularly because of where I am from. Everyone knows Sam Hornish, Jr, and it is quite the accomplishment with his winnings and records. And although he has donated back to the community,around the time he won the INDY500,a local soldier was killed in Iraq. Even though I did not personnally know this soldier,Tom (and I can not remember his last name), I could not help but to wonder where his name was on all the billboards and restaraunt signs,along with the downtown store windows. His memory and duties were lost behind Jr’s win. Parade for Jr, not for Tom. Where is the country going with recongnizing and remembering its TRUE heros that give all and loose more?
Posted by: Tracy Bruce | April 25, 2007, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
The honorable Governor Jenifer Granholm of the Great State of Michigan had issued an edict some time ago that ALL fallen combatants from our state be honored by flying the American flag at half staff
Posted by: Sally Barham | April 25, 2007, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
I would like to add my comments on this article. I think it is a shame that the news of our Military Men & Women dying and being wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan is kept off the front pages of Newspapers and the Daily TV News Broadcasts. As a WW2 Veteran, I am appalled that such actions are being put on the back burner. It is high time that the entire Public be made aware of the sacrifices being put forth by our Military and then being shuttled aside like so much garbage. Where is the News Media ?? When are they going to take action ?? Is their speech snubbed by the Political forces in this nation ?? Many of our returning Veterans are in dire straits while this sensless killing goes on without interruption. If the news of the returning bodies and returning wounded vets were on the front pages more maybe something will get done to stop this carnage.Unless we do someting to bring it to the public attention more often I am afraid nothing will get done at all. Sincerely, A concerned citizen
Posted by: Robert F. Derk | April 25, 2007, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
the news coverage of VT massacre was in our face 24/7. Civilians don’t know what is really going on in Iraq. Coverage of the war seems to fall behind the big news of the day, Brittney shaving her head, Lindsay Lohen going into rehab, etc. During the Vietnam war, I remember coming home from school, and seeing helicopters transporting wounded soldiers, flag drapped caskets, wounded civilians on the evening news. The war was in your face, people knew what was going on, the horror of it. This horror caused rage which caused protests, which forced Johnson to end the war. We need that kind of reporting today. Not the heavily censored reports the goverment permits.Wake up America, your young people are being slaughtered and you are being kept in the dark.
Posted by: lindsey | April 25, 2007, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
I agree we do not publicize nor do we recognize the soldiers who are giving ALL ant more to protect us and keep us in the freedoms that we enjoy. Instead, the media and political partitioners embrace acts of common criminals and murderers,lowering flags for victims. The last time I checked, the soldiers keep the flag flying high. While I am not dishonoring anyone’s memory or lessining the seriousness of the VT shootings,I can not help but wonder if it was less talked about,would the likelyhood of it happening again be less,with the criminal knowing the chances of he or she being immortalized was unlikely? Not embracing the soldiers touches me,particularly because of where I am from. Everyone knows Sam Hornish, Jr, and it is quite the accomplishment with his winnings and records. And although he has donated back to the community,around the time he won the INDY500,a local soldier was killed in Iraq. Even though I did not personnally know this soldier,Tom (and I can not remember his last name), I could not help but to wonder where his name was on all the billboards and restaraunt signs,along with the downtown store windows. His memory and duties were lost behind Jr’s win. Parade for Jr, not for Tom. Where is the country going with recongnizing and remembering its TRUE heros that give all and loose more?
Posted by: Tracy Bruce | April 25, 2007, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
I agree completely that our service men are not honored properly when they give the ultimate sacrifice for our country. And I sympathize with the families of the people killed and injured at Virginia Tech.
However, the responsibility for the lack of honoring the fallen soldiers lies directly with the White House and its policy to prevent images of the return of our injured and killed veterans to be seen by Americans. The media was providing images of the returned dead for burial and how it affected the families. However, this was bad publicity for the WAR. So the Pentagon and the White House directed the images not to be released to the media.
The only time I ever see anything about the death of a veteran is in a number killed in an attack or if it is a local person, and on Sunday morning on thisweek with George Stephanopoulos.
If you want changes to be made about the treatment of our fallen heroes you need to write a letter to the White House and the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Pentagon. If enough people send them letters maybe they will change the policy.
Posted by: Mike Green | April 25, 2007, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Every young man that dies defending our country deserves flags at half- mast. Maybe they should be kept at half -mast until all our young men return from the Mid-East. They deserve as much respect as the young men/women killed in an unfortunate occurance in this country.
Posted by: Madelyn Martin | April 25, 2007, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
I thought of all of them everyday. No less no more.Life is hard. Life is good. This is the day the Lord has made , Let us rejoice and be glad in it.
Posted by: Alice M Gruchow | April 25, 2007, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
The reason the US flag is not flown at half mast for every soldier killed in Iraq or Afghanistan is that the flag would stay perpetually at half mast! Seeing our flag dipped in perpetuity would be a constant reminder of the carnage. It would be bad press for a president who wants the US people to believe the fairy tale that “we are winning the war against terror”. It is the same reason that there is no news coverage permitted at Dover AFB where the bodies are brought for dispersal to the families.
I am surprised that after the Virginia Tech massacre, Bush did not proclaim that Cho Seung Hui was really an Al Qaeda operative who infiltrated the US at age 8 as a sleeper just waiting to attack America.
Posted by: Nell Woodroffe | April 25, 2007, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
I would like to see a weekly tribute to the soldiers who have fallen in the previous week. At the very end of the broadcast perhaps a few seconds could be devoted to each soldier with a picture, name, hometown and other pertinent information. This would be a public thank you for their service and sacrifice.
Posted by: P. Hefner | April 25, 2007, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
It is my belief that anytime there are U.S. service members dying in the line of duty, flags should be presented at half-staff. Though this would effect them to be flown this way at all times during war, this is the only honorable way to pay tribute to the price they pay for being in the military. Also, since we elect the officials who send them to harms way, the soldiers are in effect elected to be in that position.
Posted by: Lynn M. Evenson | April 25, 2007, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
I have two (2) parents buried in Arlington National Cemetery and two brothers have servered in Afganastan and Iraq, as well as one sister in law that has been there twice.
I honor all of them, for duty, honor, county every Memorial day and Verterns day by flying my American Flag. I also honor and pray for every fallen American from conflicts in which they serve. That is when we fly our flags at 1/2 mast and stop and honor all who have served..
The kids at VT were inocent victims of a tradegy, we all pray for them and I, for one, understand the nation honoring them in a time of tradgic grief. It is fine with me to fly the flag as a country at 1/2 mast for them now.
There are days for honoring the dead in both types of events. Focus Veterans honor to Memorial Day Fly your Flag for them as a American. Quit spliting the country with trying to make this a conflict in honoring fallen Americans. We have time for both.
Posted by: Dave Fleming | April 25, 2007, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
While the murder of the college students was indeed tragic. Where is there heroism? They were inocent. They went to class not thinking they were in any danger. They went to class with very little worries. We ask young men and women with families and spouces to leave their homes and go to a country they would rather not be in. We put them in an environment where they know at any moment they could be killed. Yet they stay. They work. Some stay for a year or longer, come back home for a short while and go back again. And they do this for our country. The only thing our soldiers get out of this is a small paycheck.
Virtue is only virtue when it is tested and proven. A amrried man stranded on a desert island is not virtuous by his fidelity to his spouce. A man walking through the red light district and not stopping is faithful to his spouse. Our soldiers are often fearful of being killed moment by moment for months. Yet they stay, and perform the tasks assigned to them. They don’t run away.
I think we often discount the death of a soldier because of our all volunteer force. They are almost thought of as mercenaries for us. When they are killed we tend to think “oh well he knew this might happen when he signed up for it.” But that is the point — they sign up knowing the dangers, they stay knowing the dangers, they perform their assignments knowing the dangers. There in honor in there personal sacrifice even if they are not killed. But if they end up giving the ultimate sacrifice how should we honor them. We have to remember they are in harms way for us. They are there instead of me! There but for the grace of God go I.
I thank God every day for brave people who protect me and my family… police, firefighters, soldiers etc.
Let’s find as many ways as possible to honor these fine Americans who when they were called didn’t run away but toward the fight.
God bless them. Let us honor them!
Posted by: Rick Dietz | April 25, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Every young man that dies defending our country deserves flags at half- mast. Maybe they should be kept at half -mast until all our young men return from the Mid-East. They deserve as much respect as the young men/women killed in an unfortunate occurance in this country.
Posted by: Madelyn Martin | April 25, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
It was bad what happened at VT. I feel for the students as well as the families that lost loved ones. However I am a Vietnam veteran and I know what these men and women are going through in Iraq and Afganastan. I feel that it would honor the fallen heros if President Bush had all goverment offices and America to lower the flags half mast until they all come home. It is sad that they are dieing and fighting daily, and rarely do we hear much more than 10 U.S. soldiers died. Then it is all but forgotten. An as We the Vietnam veterans were, these kids will all be forgotten the day the land back in America. Yet nightly the news on nearly every channel is talking about the shooter and the kids at VT.. Come on people, let these men and women know that You care. Send them a Thank You note, or lower your flags half mast, the President shouldnt have to tell You. As it has been said “Freedom Isnt Free”
Posted by: Barry Sanders | April 25, 2007, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
The flag is flown at half mast each memorial day
for those who give their lives and service in
defending our country. We owe much to these
dedicated men and women, and never can repay
them for their dedication and ultimate service.
Memorial day is their special day. VA tech does
not have a National Day, so there is no comparison
to the amount of respect and remembrance of these
paries. Much like New Orleans/Louisiana receiving
billions of tax payers dollars and putting it in
their treasury and complaining that Mississippi
received more than they did, so therefore something was amiss?? In addition, they stew
in their misery and condemn other cities. Where
is the rationale of our society? Are any of our
selfish citizens satisfied?
Posted by: Clyde Lengel | April 25, 2007, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
In thinking about our flags at half mast, perhaps we should leave them there until the war is over or our troops are out of Iraq or President Bush is out of office. God Bless our troops & America.
Posted by: James English | April 25, 2007, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Interesting comments reported on ABC news with Charles Gibson surrounding the placement of our flag at half staff as a result of the tragedy at Virginia Tech, yet not when United States military personnel die in combat while defending our country. When this country is involved in a conflict or a war and U.S. personnel die as a result – it is time to acknowledge this fact more so that has occurred in the past. Possibly, reflecting during a two day, (forty-eight hour period)at the end of each month at which time all flags nationwide would be lowered to half staff throughout the total period of the conflict or war
Posted by: Paul Jeffrey | April 25, 2007, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
This is infuriating! No one complained when Pres. Clinton lowered flags after Oklahoma City bombing or criticized Pres. Bush after Sept. 11. Va. Tech is NOT a war zone; the students there are not soldiers and on paying their tuition did not expect to die. However, our soldiers proudly volunteer, serve, and are paid for their efforts. While it is tragic that we have lost so many in Iraq and other wars, this is a part of their honor and duty to their country. And I am the wife of a serviceman – retired after 32 years of service in the U.S. Army.
Posted by: Betty in Staunton, VA | April 25, 2007, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
I think that a American flag placed in a place of national prominance could be set up. This flag could be lowered everytime an American soldier is killed in combat. This flag could be dedicated only to honor those that have sacrificed their lives for this country in this war. The names of the fallen soldiers could be listed in some way for all to see. They make such a huge sacrifice for us that we must honor them and show our respect for this sacrifice.
Posted by: Helen A | April 25, 2007, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
I am a vetran of the first gulf war, and i think that flying the flag at half staff for our fallen commrads is a great idea, however due to the number of our military dying every day that would not be possible.
I would like to see a flag made just for our military heros, and that flag flown at all federal and local government offices (to include the post office) under our nations flag. This would remind people of the sacrifices that our military is making every day.
Posted by: Lisa Hardy | April 25, 2007, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
I think every day about the young American men and women who are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our small quilting club of six senior citizens is making five Quilts of Valor for our wounded. It isn’t much to repay them for what they have suffered – but it is something. Don’t fool yourselves that Americans don’t know or care – we do. Bobbie Spann, Dallas, GA
Posted by: Bobbie Spann | April 25, 2007, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
My cousin, John Richard Priestner, assigned to the 1st Attack Reconnaissance Battalion, 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division, out of Fort Bragg, NC was killed on November 6, 2006 in Balad, Iraq when his AH-64 Apache helicopter crashed. He was buried on November 16th at Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors. After he died, for the first time I heard that this war was a “Friends and Family War” because unless you know someone that’s been killed you really don’t care. If a politicians’ family member were killed in the war, I’m quite certain, they would receive the respect of having the flag flown at half-staff. The sad truth is that if that was the case for the whole nation, the flag would never be flown at full staff – because it seems everyday a U.S. soldier is killed in action. Well, my cousin may not have come from a political or influential family but we loved him just the same. He was a “rock” to his wife, Teresa, and two daughters.
If you want to show your gratitude to a U.S. soldier why not write them a thank you note – it’s not hard. Go on line and research it. It’ll make you feel good and it’ll make the soldiers feel good too – knowing that the American people are behind them. My cousin John, totally believed in what he was doing over there and whether or not you do we all need to support our troops and pray they come home soon and safe.
Posted by: Susan Tommaney | April 25, 2007, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
It has been my way of honoring our men and women by not only hanging the flag, but to not take it down at dusk. I feel that our soldiers do not have the option to lay down their weapons, go home and begin again at mornings light. Their job is 24/7 and my flag will hang 24/7 till they come home. I would also not have a problem with our government doing the same, and if they choose to hang them all at half staff till this is over I say go for it! Let them know we’re with them night and day everyday!
Posted by: Denise Buffalo NY | April 25, 2007, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
This president has made us make the sacrafices and continues to see through closed eyes and a myoptic view with the aid of ” Loyal Bushies” that Lie cheat & steal from the Americans and Iraqies. The only ones that has NOT made Any sacrafices is the ones that put us all into the Iraq mess.
I wish someone would ask Bush why HE is unwilling to send HIS 2 Daughters to serve in Dad’s war and make the sacrafice!
All he does is play the Blame game tell us how it’s the Democrates that are the problem as he turns around and commites the crimes he blames the others for.
This administration has is a disgrace to America and the world and impeachment isn’t good enough for all the damage Bush and Bushies have done!
I am proud of my country, but ashamed of my Government!
Posted by: Bruce | April 25, 2007, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
The Flag is flown for our heroes each Memdoral
Day.
The students of VA tech do not have a special day
each year.
There is no comparison as to flying of the flag.
It is kinda like Louisiana receiving billions of
dollars from the treasury, more than they can
adequately spend and complaining that Mississippi
received more billions than they did??
We recognize our military heroes! We recognize
our civilian heroes! Horray for both. One
recognizition is not at the expense of the other.
Posted by: Clyde Lengel | April 25, 2007, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
My wife reminded me that we do honor all servicemen and women who have lost their lives in the defense of our country by lowering the flag on Memorial Day to half staff until noon. Although this is done only once yearly, it is done with reverence for those who have sacrificed for our country. In the small town that I grew up in, Memorial Day was, and still is, a day to honor those who have lost their lives for us. The school band renders the National Anthem, Logan’s Orders are read, the American Legion performs the rifle salute, and all flags in town are lowered to half staff. Graves are decorated at both cemetaries in town. Barbeques and parties are secondary to what the day is all about.
Greg Roosevelt
Swisher, Iowa
Posted by: Greg Roosevelt | April 25, 2007, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
The President has gone way to far with this flag lowering. Only people in the service or past Presidents etc. But mass murder of inocent people is something that does not demand such action. Yes the world feels so very badly about what happened but to lower the flag that is going way to far.
I think that the flag should remain lowered until the war is over because all the dealths in a war we should never have started but that will not happen because the President feels they are supposed to be there dying for nothing and he is the murderer.
This lowering of the flag for just any reason has got to stop. Because it makes it like that anything happens for any reason that he feels it deamed in his mind it is like he owes the flag and he can do what he feels like doing but all of us own that flag.
Thank You,
Mrs. Carol R Hill
Posted by: Mrs. Carol R Hill | April 25, 2007, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
I have never responded to a newscast before but felt compelled to do so just now. As you signed off, you wished all of us viewers a day as wonderful as Mr. Bush has had dancing festively (albeit hesitantly) with African performers. I could not help but think, especially after your earlier coverage of lack of respect shown for our fallen soldiers, that there are viewers among us that learned today that they are a widow or widower, their mother or father has been killed or their son or daughter has paid the ultimate price …….today…… all for the poor decisions of our dancing President.
Posted by: Jo Lynn Koren | April 25, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
A lot of people are upset because our patriotic troops do not get the honors they deserve. And the senselessness of the Virginia Tech murders only make some of us feel the senselessness of this war. It is an open maw into which we feed America’s finest, without proper equipment, training, honor or support. We should not be in the midst of a civil war. Parenthetically, showing Bush dancing with African representatives just 5 minutes after you aired the troop segment only proves what the vets are saying. Only they are making sacrifices…no one else.
Posted by: Gloria G Karp | April 25, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
Please continue to remind viewers that it is the sacrifice of our military men , women, and their families that allows us in this country to live the wonderful life of freedom that we so often take for granted. Thank you too, for the excellent reporting from Bob Woodruff, who has so rightfully been highlighting the plight of the American soldiers wounded in this very unpopular war.
Posted by: Sharon Shouse | April 25, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
My son is currently in Bagdad for the third time. I had similar thoughts on the day the flags were lowered for the Virginia Tech students. While my heart goes out for those students and their families, I feel our soliders need to be honored as well. Out of the thousands who have died, only a few have been mentioned on the national news. I don’t see why once the families have been notified that the names could not at least be read on the national news each night in honor of their sacrifice. At the beginning of the war you had a wall of honor and their pictures could be sent in, but you still did not give the names of all of them. Also the idea that the flag should only be lower in honor of elected officials is crazy since most of them do litte for us in comparison to what our military does and since the exception has already been made then why can’t it be lowered for fallen soldiers.
Posted by: Joyce Allen | April 25, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
I’m not an advocate of the war but I do feel as long as we’re at war, all flags should be flown at halfmast in honor of our soldiers who daily lose their lives. Under no circumstances should that tradition be exclusively reserved for elected officials.
Posted by: Michaelle Arkin | April 25, 2007, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
On ABC News tonight the comment was made that we do not honor our fallen soldiers by displaying our flag at half-staff as was done for the fallen students and faculty at Virginia Tech. In the State of Michigan, each one of our fallen sons and daughters are honored by lowering our flags at the direction of Govenor Jennifer Granholm. These young men and women are serving our country, and we are pround of our Michiganders.
Posted by: Marilyn Gibbs | April 25, 2007, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
I think that most Americans have the attitude that if they are not seeing things happen first hand, they tend not to pay it any mind. Since the VT shootings happened in the United States it is more personal. A big reason American public is ignorant to military sacrifices is the coverage by the media of other more “important” things. Yes the shootings at VT are terrible and the fallen should be honored and remembered but so also should our fallen military brothers and sisters.
M. Simon
Nagasaki, Japan
Posted by: Matthew Simon | April 25, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Once I saw the news about the shooting/killing of these kids, my felt a deep sorrow for the families and friends. I knew they’ll be facing a similar pain and sorrow to those of us and our family members are experiencing every time we get deployed. I felt ashame to think that maybe now the nation will get a closer idea to what our soldiers,marines,airmen and sailors and their families have to face in the daily bases. If these kids, knew that they will be about to risk their lives that particular day, I am sure they would have stayed home and let our brave police officers deal with this threat. How about those of us, including our emergencies services members, and armed forces still choose to go knowing that we will die no doubt about it but we rather be us than one of these kids or anyone else by that matter. Soldiers love peace and hate war. I believe is not a matter of being a soldier or student who are losing their lives, is a matter of loyalty and understanding that our service members are out there dying not for the president but for us here. We were order to go, we went, and did our job, we knew the president was wrong,at least most of us, but we knew that if we refuse to follow orders, the very identity of our country will be in jepordy. I was a medic in Iraq, left my beloved pregnant wife,a lovely home,a great dog,friends and peaceful little town which I loved so. Every day in Iraq I knew how limited were my options to save my fellow soldiers,they knew it too, still we did our job with an intense feeling and recognition of our own mortality and how cheap our existance was. I was lucky I guess, I got home to an empty house,my wife lost our baby,and I realized I had PTSD which unable me to work so I became homeless.
I still after all that want to get healthy enough to return to Iraq and helps those guys that are following orders and fighting for their lives. God how I wish I could be there for them for is sickning the way most people go about their business without reaching out and doing a daily act to support our boys. Is this what america is all about? a better your kid than mine opinion??
This is a great country endeed. These kids death is sorrowful but is not fair to wipe under the rug our soldier’s sacrifices.
Unity is what builds a country, where is our support??
Posted by: Duarte Cespedes | April 25, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
August 2006 the national flag was flown at half-staff for an Arkansas sportscaster that died in an auto accident (his fault).
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/162503
I wrote a letter to the editor piece which I did not keep a copy of. I, too, was upset a sportcaster is more honored than our fallen troops.
Posted by: Ron Goodwin | April 25, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Because we do not see coffins coming back to the United States or the grieving families that suffer the loss, the death of a soldier has become only a statistic recited nightly on the news. We rarely see faces or hear names. For a brief instant one may feel the sadness and then – business as ususal. I have a newphew, a West Point graduate and Captain in the Army who survived two tours in Iraq. It was torture to witness his parent’s worry and his wife and young son’s bravery waiting for his return. I have a son who decided to become a Marine after graduating from Brown University. He is currently training as a second LT in Quantico. Every word of a worsening war or death count cuts like a knife through my family – it has been that way since the war began and will continue. I have met many a person who reacts to my son’s decision with words like “Why on earth did he do that?” or “I would never let my child enlist.” This has become a war for only the soldiers and their families. The rest of the country claims it is frustrated and angry but only the few who chose to serve will pay the price.
Posted by: Susan Wilson | April 25, 2007, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
As our sympathy goes out to the families of VT, lest we forget our soldiers that are fighting and dying in another Viet Nam (IRAQ). When do we draw the line and say enough is enough? Mr. President, BRING OUR SOLDIERS HOME.
Posted by: linda Meyer | April 25, 2007, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Okay, Charlie, you asked for comments on this evening’s news. I’ve been wondering since last week Tuesday about how much do we here understand or more importantly empathize that something so similar is happening every day to innocent Iraqi citizens? While we as an entire nation mourned what happened at Va Tech, do the Iraqis mourn any less at the loss of their children and family members from the actions of suicide bombers? They would spend every day doing what we have for a week–grieving the loss of innocent lives. My daughter, a CPT in the US Army, spent a year in Baghdad–and experienced first hand some of what Martha Raddatz wrote about in her book, she knew many of those involved in the actions described. She is currently stationed in Afghanistan (Kabul). We talked on the phone midweek–after the Va Tech massacre and I expressed the above to her (how the Iraqi people suffer similar tragedy every day) and how can we possibly consider abandoning them (the Iraqi people) as one of our branches of government seems so determined to do? It baffles me that we obsess on the one hand about what happened at Va Tech (I am a college professor so believe me, it hit me “where I live”) and yet we would bail on the Iraqi people (and perhaps the Afghanis) who experience this tragedy every day. How do we differentiate the loss of life in Iraq (our military, innocent Iraqi citizens) at the hand of suicide bombers from what happened at Va Tech? I can’t see that there is a substantive difference. We should be grieving all the same.
Posted by: Doreen | April 25, 2007, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
CBS:
As a Vietnam Veteran, I am numb to this, there has been many flags. I honor my brothers and sisters who stand in harms way. Only they know what they have to endure. America loves and honors them as well, Flags up or down. On this issue Veterans agree, “it don’t mean nothing”, we will serve anyway, for your right to be free.
Ho-ray
Posted by: Daniel | April 25, 2007, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
If my 19 year old freshman son had been gunned down while in class or in his dormatory last monday morning I would have been shocked, outraged and probably have never recovered. However if that same 19 year son had chosen to go into the military and fight and defend his country I would have to believe that I would be shocked, saddened and proud to be the mother of a United States soldier. We do not have a draft in this country. These young men choose to join the military. They know the risks and while that does not justify their loss to their families or to this nation, I feel that the two cannot really be compared. May all the mothers of sons and daughters lost too soon be blessed.
Posted by: Anne Courneen | April 25, 2007, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
It is a tragedy that 32 lives were lost at VT and deserves some coverage. But it was in stark contrast to the lack of attention given to the 3000 plus lives lost in the war. Why do these deaths get put on the 3rd or 4th page of the newspapers? Why do they not get mentioned over weekends but held back until Mon.? These sacrifices should always be up front news.
Posted by: colleen grotzinger | April 25, 2007, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I believe the flag should be lowered to half mast on a local basis. If the flag were lowered nationally for every military casuality, it would remain at half staff, forever, losing it’s significance.
Posted by: Bill Nelson | April 25, 2007, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
I feel the Flag should be flown at half mask
while we are still in a war. To show are support
for Men and Women who are fighting to make our country a better and safer place.
When we see the Flag flown at half mask We will
say a small Prayer for all service men and Women
and cilivians fighting this war.
Posted by: Ellen Griffin | April 25, 2007, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Soldiers death is not a issue because Bush does not want it to be. He will not allow the caskets coming home to be shown AND Bush is first president in our history to not a attend a Memorial for the death of a soldier he sent to War. That is a disgrace and makes a old soldier who carried a rifle in the Korean War mad.
Posted by: Leigh Stanley | April 25, 2007, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
Sergeant Jim Wilt wrote, “yet it is never lowered for the death of a U.S. service member.”
As a human being, it is always sad each time I learn of the death of any Amrican soldier. We tend to forget that these soldiers die so that we may live. Although, some of us may be against the war, we still need to support our soldiers and praise the work they do. America, also did the right thing in honoring the professors and students who were killed in Virginia Tech. It will seem appropriate that I suggest that America lower the flag and leave it lowered till all the soldiers return from Iraq and Afghanistan. It will represent a symbol and show the true American patriotism.
Posted by: Dr. Sidney Okolo | April 25, 2007, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
It’s a sad thing to see student die here at home
and to get the american flag lowerd.when you have
us soldiers dieing everyday for are country and freedome.that can not even be reconized for there efforts and sacrafices loss of time with family thing that they loose every day they are gone that can not be replaced or given back to them.
jobs that they are looseing when they come home
and the discrimination loss of raises that are not given to them because they were not here physicaley to recive it because they were of to war fighting for ther life and country.what is happing to this country? FREEDOM IS NOT FREE
because the soldier has to fight for life and every thing when they return home we are not being taken care of like we should be.
Posted by: Rick Schiffner | April 25, 2007, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
The flag is not just lowered to half mast for elected officials, but also for appointed ones such as Supreme Court justices or cabinet members.
The tragedy at Virginia Tech was so unexpected. One does not expect such to occur in our daily lives. Yes, flags should have been lowered.
Should they be lowered for each death occurring during combat? Difficult question. Unfortunately, the flags would always be at half mast under the present circumstances; therefore, would that diminish the significance of lowering the flag to half mast? Perhaps lowering the flag one day a week or one day a month would honor all of the fallen properly. They all volunteered for duty and in doing so, they know they might have to go in harm’s way. They all, dead or alive, are our heroes, and there is no way that they can be honored as much as they deserved.
Unfortunately, unless we have members of our family or friends “in harm’s way”, the war is a far away affair that we read about or see on tv. But, we can wish them well, and think about them, and hope they return home safely soon.
Posted by: Clyde Koehne | April 25, 2007, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
It was a horrible thing that happened to the students at VT. The proper thing to do to honor those who lost their lives and wounded would have been to lower the State flag to half mast not the US flag. That honor should be reserved for dignitaries of our country. I believe that lowering the flag for every tragedy cheapens the effect for what it is meant to stand for.
Posted by: John | April 25, 2007, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
If we fly the flag at half-staff each time one of our servicemen/service women die in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would never be at full staff again. As a veteran of OEF, I would not have wanted the flag at half-staff for me. We have 2 days that honor veterans – Veteran’s Day that honors all vets and Memorial Day to honor those vets that gave the greatest sacrfice.
Posted by: Rich | April 25, 2007, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
Tonight 4/25 is the first time in years that I have respected what news I heard that were positive. The media does have responsibilty to bring news but also the responsibilty to give news throughout this world that our Country supports our troups and should honor our military for what they are sacrifing each day to give them the freedom to pubish the trash the media has done the last 4 years. I have been very dissapointed and ashamed of all our media. You have the power to bring positive news and thoughts to all each day but instead you have been another magizine you pick up at the grocery store for $2.00 . How smart you are in your intelligent reports.
Posted by: Stella O'Bryant | April 25, 2007, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
lower all flags to half mast until dead troops stop coming home!!!!
JIm Bertoglio
Posted by: jim bertoglio | April 25, 2007, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
This is ridiculous. I have been flying my flag since 9/11. I do this in remembrance those who lost their lives during the events of 9/11 and to show my support for all those who serve and served in the military.
Having the flag lower to half staff after a tragedy like the one at Virginia Tech should not be seen as a political move but for what it was – a sign of remembrance and honoring those student and teachers who’s lives were lost through a tragedy event. I often don’t agree with our president; however, I do believe he was right to fly our flags at half staff. We should all fly our flags to show unity and support for all the men and women who are serve in the armed forces. and let us not forget the sacrifices that they make for all of us. They too are our sons’ and daughters’ just like the students at Virginia Tech.
Posted by: Fred Sahr | April 25, 2007, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Its pretty silly that there are those who would try to say that showing the flag draped coffins or lowering the flag is an attack on the Bush administration, via politics. This goverment doesn’t want the flag draped coffins shown because it knows what a crime and stage job is being put on in the US of Iraq. I mean when you have a war that’s a lie you have to censor the media. If that’s a lie, then why don’t we see the flag draped coffins coming home like we did in Vietnam. The media has lost its stones.
Posted by: Chris | April 25, 2007, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Here in NM Gov. Richardson orders all flags flown at half-mast for the death in the current wars of each military person from NM and/or whose family resides in NM, issuing a proclamation honoring that person. Flags here are at half-mast very often, and each time I see one I am reminded of the price being paid by so many.
Posted by: A J Meek | April 25, 2007, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Its up to the news to tell us the names show use the pictures of our killed soldiers anywhere. if you the news don,t tell us how are we to know? You control that not the White House. so get on top of this please.
Posted by: David B. Raub | April 25, 2007, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Regarding the lowering of flags when a solider is killed, here in Michigan since the start of the war, flags have flown at half staff for each and every solider from Michigan that has died in this war. So we do honor our military personnel who give the ultimate sacrifice.
Posted by: Elizabeth | April 25, 2007, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Years ago Edwin Starr sang, “War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothin’ Say it again ya’ll”. I sing those words today at 55 years old. Stop sending our young men and women into the middle of a religous civil war. Get out and get out now!
Give Peace A Chance
Michael
Indiana
Posted by: michael | April 25, 2007, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
personally, i think the american flag should be lowered to half mast and remain there until all americans return home.this would symolize the american citizens support.Its a tough job our troops are doing and i think we should show more support.
Posted by: donald thompson | April 25, 2007, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
I think you need to ask Bush why the VT murders
are more important than our fallen soliders in
Iraq and Afghanistan. After all it is his administration that is doing everything they can to keep the war dead and wounded out of the news,
ie; no pictures of returning flag draped coffins in the interest of privacy? His idea is that the news about the wars should be good news to prevent the public outcry.
Posted by: Gerald Nowakowski | April 25, 2007, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
For the sacrafice and duty of our soldiers the American Flag should be flown at half staff everyday that we remain in the war in memory of the 3000+ fallen soldiers.
Posted by: A.Castillo | April 25, 2007, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
I believe more should be done to honor our military. They are making sacrifices everyday 24 hours a day for our freedoms. Unfortunatly some make the ultimate sacrifice their LIFE. They ALL should be honored. Most Americans unless they are military(or family) never stop to think or even try to understand what our soldiers and their families go through everyday.
Posted by: Teresa | April 25, 2007, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Even though it was a terrible thing that happened at VT the media is doing exactly what the killer wanted by playing his video and repeating over and over again everything he did. Our military face terrible things everyday of their lives while doing their jobs to protect our country so we can be free. They don’t get the honor or respect they should. Even if people don’t agree with the administration’s actions they still need to support our troops. They didn’t ask for this war they are only doing their jobs and we should support them in every possible. This message comes from the mother of an American soldier doing his job in Iraq.
Posted by: Cheryl Duckett | April 25, 2007, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
In Michigan the governor orders flags at half mast on the day of any Michigan soldiers’ funeral. I know at Whitehall Products and Aloca we both obey that order of respect to our soldiers’. I myself have a yellow ribbon on the front tree of my yard. It has a national guard sticker on it and will stay up until everyone is home.
Posted by: Diane | April 25, 2007, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
The government and many newspapers and programs
beat hell out of anything that will distract from
the tragedy we have dumped on Iraq. The student deaths at the hands of an aberrant indiviual is
just one example. The uses and abuses of the war’s returning soldiers is another. The God-awful
slaughtering of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children along with their culture and homeland must cry to heaven for vengeance. And all of this for a military adventure we were lied and led into. This “patriotism” of slaughter and destruction is a clear sign of a shallowing culture, the decline of a once great democratic republic.
Posted by: Greg | April 25, 2007, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
I am constantly amazed at the sacrifice of our young by old men who side-stepped serving themselves. Maybe we should take a page from the Natchez Indians and require our “Leaders” to do just that when going to war. Even England is send a member of the Royal Family to the area. Maybe there would be less loss and heartache if old men fought the wars. No children left without parents and no spouses left to raise children alone. There would be fewer wars don’t you think?
Posted by: Georgia Ward | April 25, 2007, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
“The soldiers are at war and America is at the mall.” This statement says it all. America has chosen to ignore the brave men and women of our military. The very people who preserve our right to live in freedom are ignored by the masses. The soldiers sacrifice their lives for us. What do they get in return? A number scrolling at the bottom of the newscast. No names, no stories. Are we in another Vietnam? The reaction the general public is giving the soldiers, I’m afraid the answer is yes.
Posted by: Amy | April 25, 2007, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
I‘m so glad I’m not alone in comparing the coverage of the VT deaths to the sporadic and casual coverage of the every day sacrifice by our troops. I am very sorry for the families of both groups but the media hasn’t seemed to notice the latter. If this is really a battle to save all of us, we all need to help carry the freight.
Posted by: Priscilla Waller | April 25, 2007, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
The American flag should be lowered to half staff after the death of persons who have been elected to National offices by the citizens of the United States. Only those who have served as Commander-in-Chief and in the armed forces should have the honor of being draped with the flag at the time of their death. Anyone convicted and/or imprisoned for a crime would not be afforded the privilege. The American flag would only be lowered nationwide. The President should be the only one to give the order. There is too much abuse of this honor in communities across the nation when there is a local tragedy, especially at high schools when students die in car accidents. If one has to ask why the flag is lowered when she sees it, then the flag probably should not be lowered at that time. My uncle served in WW II. He never spoke about the war, but my aunt always kept his picture in uniform out in sight. When he died, July 4,1988 his casket was draped with the flag and there is a star at the grave site. Seeing the flag, and knowing how much he loved this country, and how afraid he must have been as a teenager in Germany 43 years before made my heart swell with pride for him, for this country and for all of those who are so brave to lay down their lives to keep me safe and secure in this country.
Posted by: lynda | April 25, 2007, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Why shouldn’t our flag fly at halfmast when we are at war? What’s wrong with our nation mourning when our men and women die during wartime? It’s time we stopped glorifing war and mourn that we decide to fight each other instead of talk with each other. I don’t want my grandsons fighting stupid wars!!!
J. Alan Forrester
US Navy, 1960-1963
Posted by: J. Alan Forrester | April 25, 2007, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
I think lowering the US flag to honor those killed during the Virginia Tech masacre was the right thing to do – a horrible tragedy affecting this whole country. How could it happen? But I also think that tragedy occurs every time a US soldier dies serving our great country – the difference is that only the family or friends of the soldier are affected. We’re so accustomed to hearing about death & war that it seems we almost overlook the deaths of these brave men & women. We’re used to it – too used to it.
I say fly the US flags at half staff to honor and remember ALL of our fallen soldiers. Maybe then some people would see the flag & wake up to the reality of what’s really happening in Iraq. Our husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, friends are dying every day but do we take notice? Do we give thanks for the protection of our freedoms?
Lower the flag to honor these brave men and women who have sacrificed so much until ALL of our American family is back HOME.
Posted by: Ruth | April 25, 2007, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
Our nation was shook by the horrific shootings at the VA Tech Campus. It was only right that President Bush convey our nations condolences to the grievings relatives, students, and faculty.
Our men and women who serve in Iraq and around the world do so knowing the sacrifice that they may pay. Surely, these deserve our honor and gratitude. Lowering our flag was an inappropriate honor for unsuspecting victims of a lunatic.
We do remember those who have died doing what they believed in. We grieve with their families and friends. The day our remaining soldiers come safely home cannot be too soon.
Posted by: R Kick | April 25, 2007, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
As horrible as it sounds, people who join the military during a time of war KNOW that they will be putting themselves in harms way. It is their JOB, as cold as it sounds, to face death every day. As horrible as it is to lose any life, a soldier risks his or her life and is trained to face horrific dangers. The students sitting in a classroom in a college did not asked to be put in harms way, they did not come wearing bullet proof vests or in Humvees. They were innocent in the truest sense of the word.
The people who fight our wars are amazing people, they do more than the rest of us could possibly imagaine. They help keep this country free. They deserve to be honored. HOWEVER, how people are handling this is atrocious. They are making the argument that it is somehow WRONG to honor innocent people killed in the worse mass murder in US history because we don’t honor the lives lost during war (Despite the fact that there are national holidays honoring our armed forces). You CAN honor both. You don’t have to choose to honor one or the other. When you do that you dishonor both.
Posted by: Brad | April 25, 2007, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
We listened to the comments about Honor & Sacrifice on Wed. April, 25. We are honoring all
the brave men and women living and deceased by
leaving our American Flag and our Service Flag at
half staff until all come home. Our 19 year old
nephew volunteered to go as did others we know.
It is the least we can do. We don’t need the
Federal government to tell us the right thing to do.
Posted by: Geri Falcone | April 25, 2007, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
When our servicemen go to war it is to be expected that there will be casualities. When our children go to college it is expected that they will be the future of this country.We mourn several national holidays for those who have given their life for our freedom but how soon we will forget the national tragety that struck the caampus of Virginia Tech. We cannot fall asleep and feel that that at anytime in our life something tragic happens here at home not in some far away country. WAKE UP AMERICA AND THANK GOD FOR EVERYDAY YOU ARE GIVEN.
Julie
Syracuse, NY
Posted by: Julie Bender | April 25, 2007, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
As the spouse of a retired military officer, I feel grateful that we have so many brave americans who will willingly serve their country, whilst our leaders keep saying “it is the voice of all americans for us to get out of the war”. Where do they get this information?, there are those who “get it” FREEDOM ISN’T FREE’.Hats off to our military who are now in danger of getting what we got during vietnam, eggs and grafitti. Hang in there troups, we believe in you, thankyou.
Posted by: Jillian Fraioli | April 25, 2007, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
In my opinion when the nation is at war, the flag should be lowered and stay there until it is over.
The students and teachers in Virginia were innocent the same as others killed in that way and by terrorists.
War is different, and this one in particular, but the thought of those soldiers and civilians being killed and severely wounded is no less heartbreaking. They should not be compared.
Marion Baker, Age 76
Hampstead, NH
Posted by: Marion Baker | April 25, 2007, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
I am Canadian, and served in Korea along side of American Forces; I also served in the Middle East in The Gaza strip.
My thought is the state where the deceased was from should show respect by lowering both State and Country flags, and that State erect a memorial with the names of those who gave all……
Respectfully submitted ..M.Quinn
Posted by: M. QUINN | April 25, 2007, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
I am beginning to see our soldier’s point about sacrifice at home. While I sure sympathize with the situation at Virginia Tech, did we really need all that TV time devoted to the VT shooter? I don’t think we show our wounded and fallen military folks near enough. It’s like their pain and suffering is no longer news. Now it’s only front-page news when a big causality number occurs – bigger then the previous bigger number. Families in Iraq and Sudan and so many other parts of the world suffer VT type violence every day. For us at home, those real stories about war and pain and suffering are old. But hey – “What about the President dancing? Leave the TV on so I can see that…”
Posted by: Mike Lenich | April 25, 2007, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
I am a NON-wartime vet from FL (and a native). I can fully empathize with the fallen of the Wars, as I lost a kid brother during the post-Nam era. What strikes me most is that Florida doesn’t honor all vets. As I stated, I was in the US Army 1976-1979. Florida only allows “Vet” status, if you served during wartime and sets the “example” for its’ underling governments. Hmmm, musta been a rumor called the Cold War?
Posted by: Edgar "Mac" Mosier | April 25, 2007, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
As a retired military of 28 years, this piece really caught my attention. I agree with both sides: half mast our flag for soldiers killed in a war and also for civilians killed as at the Va. Tech. massacre.
And therein lies the rub. Our soldiers die EVERY day so do we fly the flag at half mast every day? Do we fly it for just the heroes who die? But they’re ALL heroes.
Leave it alone folks. We are ALL Americans. If our constitution mandates to fly it for elected officials, then that’s the rule. Just as our students can now die while they learn about our flag and our constitution, our military has been doing just that since the Revolutionary War.
Semper FI!
Posted by: John | April 25, 2007, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Maybe the somber symbol of our great flag flying at half mast until this war is over will help us remember daily the sacrifices made by our troops and their families. I stongly support our troops and hope with the Democrats help they will soon return to the safety of our shores.
Posted by: Rodney Parrish | April 25, 2007, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
To Charles Gibson: It was apprpriate to honor those who lost their lives at Virginia Tech. Flying the flag at half-staff certainly does not lessen the loss of the lives of our fellow American military members. Contrary to some of the responses, the lives of our service members is never far from my mind and each death troubles me deeply. Perhaps the decision to fly the flag at half-staff should be an individual one and those who want to remember/respect a fallen member of the military should do so if they want to remember military casualties of war. In my heart I will always honor the members of the military. Thank you
Posted by: Thomas P. Fuller | April 25, 2007, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
As a mother of a college student and an Army officer, I can understand the lament. If it weren’t for the men and women serving in the military, our students may not have the choice to freely roam a college campus. Perhaps, starting this Memorial Day we should continue to fly our flags half staff and with each day commemorate a soldier who has given their life in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: susan | April 25, 2007, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Thank you so much for your story on “Honor and Sacrifice”, how quickly we forget, if not for the brave men and women who have volunteered to serve our country, away from their family and friends we may not have the opportunity to attend a college in this country of our choice. I feel strongly that we should honor all our soliders everyday of our free lives.
Posted by: Chris Peterson | April 25, 2007, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
It is not surprising that the soldiers feel the country has ignored them–after all, the Bush Administration would not allow images of the coffins of slain soldiers to be even shown for the first years of this war. The country was “trained” to ignore the terrible loss of the young men and women who gave the ultimate sacrifice in this morass called Iraq.
Posted by: Jenell Mahoney | April 25, 2007, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
The commentary on the news tonight only resonates what those of us connected to the military already feel about respecting the fallen, regardless of service branch. Here in North Carolina, with our rich resource of military personnel, we experience the loss of a serviceman more than we can absorb, sometimes. Our hearts are heavy when another service person pays the ultimate sacrifice, and yet Americans continue along the path to riches and righteousness. Have we become so bombarded with media and death and destruction that we don’t hear it anymore? Have we stopped crying for our fallen heroes? How many more senseless lives must be given in pursuit of a senseless and unobtainable objective? The families of innocent victims in Iraq bear the same pain as those of us who lose a service person near and dear to us. People don’t go to war, governments do. And war is not healthy for children or other living things, to quote some 1960′s slogans. ABC–keep up the hype and reporting on those who are nameless in this war. We need to know their names, their branch of service, see their faces on our TVs. We must not forget those who give their lives so we can live the American dream.
Posted by: Susan Von Behren | April 25, 2007, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
IN OREGON THE FLAGS ARE LOWERED EACH & EVERY TIME ONE OF OUR MEN OR WOMEN ARE KILLED.
Posted by: PAMELA | April 25, 2007, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
The state of Oregon lowers the flag statewide everytime a Oregon connected soldier dies and Gov. Ted Kulongoski attends every funeral that he possibly can, which is almost all. I think that the killings at VT were a national tragedy just like the war. I also have two cousins at VT who are professors there.
Posted by: Howard Grisso | April 25, 2007, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
lower the flag to half staff has become rediculously common. I don’t want to take away from the horrors that occured at VT but if our nation truly want’s to show respect to our fallen service members than the flag should be lowered to half staff, 1 day for each fallen service member. It’ s the least that we can do.
Posted by: Jeff Blackhart | April 25, 2007, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
ABC, Thank you for running that segment. My husband is serving a tour in Iraq and, like the rest of the US Army, he has been extended 3 months. I do feel like America does not care that there is a war going on and I do feel that the only people in this country that sacrifice for this war are our military men and women and their families. The public seems to not care. I went to a VT memorial held at a campus on the West Coast and the whole time I was there, I wondered if any of these people cared that on that day there was more death in Iraq and Afghanstan than in Virginia. Sure VT was sad, but so is this war. So is the fact that American men and women are DYING so that dummies like the VT student can have the right to bear arms! I appreciate you giving coverage to the herioic men and women who died in war…protecting our freedoms and defending their country.
Posted by: Sarah | April 25, 2007, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
As an American, I am ashamed of how we have become so accepting of the Iraq War and it’s toll on our young men, women, and families. I have three nephews who have served and/or are serving their second tour in Iraq. One was recently injured and sent back to the States for medical care. It’s shameful the care they are receiving. His mom is fortunate enough to be able to be with him – if not, I’m afraid he would fall through the cracks and not get the services he needs. I can’t believe the way we are treating our wounded soldiers and that we are putting many more in harms way by extending their tours. I believe we will have an entire generation that needs significant physical and mental health services that our systems are not prepared to provide, that is if they are lucky enough to come home alive. Let’s tell the American people what’s really happening in Iraq . . . that’s the least we can do for our soldiers.
Posted by: Kim Yacklin | April 25, 2007, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
I believe that we should lower the flags at half staff until our soilders come home and this war is over!
God bless these men! Call your congressman and let them know we want this done!
Katherine NIchols
Posted by: Katherine | April 25, 2007, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
My son, SSG Steven Tudor, got killed in Bagdad Saturday. I think that all the military should get all the respect and honor that they deserve. Everytime we see a flag we should remember our heroes and we should have the flags at half staff when a soldier dies. We would remember who was sacraficed for us. I have a lot of military in my family, grandfather, step-father, husband, and 3 sons.
Posted by: Mary Ann Jones | April 25, 2007, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
I am a veteran of two wars, and really think we should treat our men and women in uniform better. When I was in the Army, we were treated differently. I don’t feel that students should have the same status as soldiers. Soldiers volunteed to go into a war zone and deserve to have the flag at half-mast. They earned that right!! When students go into a war zone, they can have the right too but not before.
Posted by: James Lewis | April 25, 2007, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
It is a shame for any to die from the acts of others,but the GI’S are armed with weapons,the students only with hope and dreams,please don’t disgrace any of the dead by whining
Posted by: Ernest W.Bergstrom | April 25, 2007, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
As a retired vet, I feel that Bush does not lower the flags at half staff for our veterans as he is in denial, a coward and I don’t think he has any respect for the men & women who have what it takes to serve our country. I feel for the familes of the 32 killed and the family of the shooter, but what about the 3000+ who have died in combat. He has NOT attended even one funeral to honor these hereos, and face their familes to tell them he is sorry and to let them know that their lives where shattered & loved ones lost for a good reason. I lower my flag whenever a service member from my state dies in combat and for NO ONE else. These troops are our country’s real heros!
Posted by: Laura | April 25, 2007, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
When our children go away to college, we still view them as our children, naive, vulnerable, needing protection. When our young men go away to war, we view them as young adults who “knew what they signed up for”, they carry the guns, and they protect the vulnerable. How sad this parallel is. What’s the difference? They are the same age, they are still somebody’s baby,and yet their deaths in service to our country are reduced to a daily toll on the nightly news. Why not fly the flag at half mast once a month on a designated day to honor them. Yet this would bring even more attention to this horrible price we are paying for Iraq. This administration would never allow that.
Posted by: M. Sweeney | April 25, 2007, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
I don’t think it’s so much a question of raising or lowering the Flag as it is showing respect and admiration for the men and women who VOLUNTATILY have put their lives on the line to perpetuate freedom as we have enjoyed it. I think it truly disrespects them to have such blatent disrespect for the President who is their commander and chief. Disrespect for the President definitely has a negative impact on the troops.
Posted by: goodgame | April 25, 2007, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
U.S. Soldiers are serving in an illegal war and are paid professional killers (soldiers). They work for the president of the U.S. Corporation, and for its benefit. Through them America has become the hated enemy of the world and are looked upon as the real instigators and exporters of terrorism. If some are killed, it is unfortunate, but it is a risk of their choosen profession.
Posted by: John William | April 25, 2007, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
When President Ford died the flag were lowered to half staff in recognition of the had done and for being a US President.
If we lower our flags to half staff for every soldier , I think it starts defeating the purpose of the honoring them. The flag needs to be flown high. There are troops that are killed all over the world not just in Irag and Afganistan. Like the Blue Angel who just died at a American air show. Then do we fly for him too?
IF you lower the flag at half staff until out troops come home, then how do you honor others such as President Ford ?
The horrible tragedy at VT was unexpected, and the flags were lowered to honor that.
I am a proud American and do support our trops, and yes I do have a American flag flying high.
Posted by: Becky | April 25, 2007, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Alot of America’s problems and controversy stem from lack of common sense and whining. It is very sad to wake up with the same question “How many soldiers are going to get killed today?” The differnce between The VT shootings and the war is simple. The VT shootings do not happen every day. I stand behind the soldiers, but do not support the war. Different localitys handle the flag differently. In MI they are at half mast every time a MI soldier dies. Whether it is a soldier or a defenseless college student, stop whining, shut your mouth, and show some respect. I am sorry you soldiers are in a bad situation, because of your arrogant President. But please, if you need it I will send some cheese to go with your whine!
Posted by: Joel Symons | April 25, 2007, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Thanks ABC for asking the question. I do agree that we should give our soldiers much more recognition than what they get. I sometimes wonder where do we get such brave and wonderful men and women that are willing to put their lives on the line? They are truly amazing and we owe them so much. Lets refocus on our American heroes fighting the battles and facing fear and death everyday.
Thanks, Mike
Posted by: Mike Young | April 25, 2007, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
While Americans are dying in Iraq and Afganistan flags in public places in America should be lowered to half staff. As a veteran who supports the troops while not supporting the current administration which sent them there, I value our men and women fighting abroad far ahead of any elected officials. Is this a political statement? Perhaps, but it is also a common sense reaction to our military personnel dying abroad. It is the minimum contribution we should be making.
Posted by: Tim Lewis | April 25, 2007, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Of course we don’t acknowledge the deaths of American soldiers outside of presidential soundbites to stay the course. This is the administration that wouldn’t allow pictures of the coffins of dead servicemen. It has done everything possible to insulate the public from the tragedy of war—remember Bush urging us to “go out and shop” and ignore the war as much as possible. The flag would be at permanent half-mast if Bush really honored the deaths of US personnel, especially with the increased casualties created by the “surge”.
Too many people would take note of the White House’s flawed strategies and make Bush accountable for its failures.
Posted by: Don Stern | April 25, 2007, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
I truly am upset about this story concerning our flag height. When I take a look at our flag whisping in the air during the “Star Spangled Banner,” I remember all of you. You are the one’s fighting for that flag to fly as it did during the French American War. Our flag stands as the symbol for this country and the bravery we hold within our Constitution and the Democratic policies that it holds. When I take a look at our flag today, as it stands have staff, I know that our country is within mourning for the devistation of Virginia Tech, but the flag of the United States is risin to it’s farthest point to represent the courage and strength it has taken, and still takes to keep.
Posted by: Matthew Reynolds | April 25, 2007, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
I think it was appropriate for our flag to be flown at half mast for the victims of Virginia Tech. However, to continuously fly the flag at half mast for our fallen heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan would be a disservice to these young men and women. Let’s wave our flag high and proud in their honor and their sacrifice. It is what they volunteered for and what they gave their lives for. Don’t diminish their contribution by lowering our flag. Wave it high and proud.
Posted by: Raye Scott | April 25, 2007, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
In the state of Oregon, we have a governor who is a former Marine, and whenever an Oregon Soldier or Sailor is lost, the flags are ordered to half staff. In addition, Governor Kulongoski personally attends each and every memorial service for our fallen service men and women. He feels that there is not anything more important for him to do than honor the sacrifices that our men and women have given for their country.
Lorren Fletcher, Forest Grove, Oregon
Posted by: Lorren N. Fletcher | April 25, 2007, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
In Oregon flags are lowered to half mast, and the governor has attended nearly all of the memorial services for each Oregonian lost in action.
Posted by: Don | April 25, 2007, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Flags are lowered in Oregon, and other states when a soldier from the area dies. Why wasn’t this mentioned in the report?
Posted by: Linda | April 25, 2007, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
I agree with another comment that if we flew the flag at half mast for our soldiers it would always be at half mast. I am saddened everyday when I read about our service peoples deaths and injuries. I believe that more help should be given to our service members who come home needing medical help. It is outrageous how some of the military hospitals are run and the red tape that these people are forced to go through. As far as comparing the Virginia killing with our war deaths, I don’t think it can be done. The horror of a young student killing 32 of his class mates was so unreal that it was hard to comprehend. It was just so shocking that a lot of Americans was effected. We hate the killing of our young soldiers but this was so different that it happened in a college where we believe all students are safe. We know from listening to the news and reading the newspaper that we can expect death every day in Iraq. I am also a former soldier and I truly hate what is happening in Iraq. God Bless America.
Posted by: Muriel Lovejoy | April 25, 2007, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
I am truly saddend by the loss of lives at VT. I hear alot of people say that the students didnt deserve to die at such a young age, and need to be recongized for thier contributions to our nation- but I am irrate that our troops in Iraq dont get this reaction when they put their live on line. As a young wife (18) of a US Marine who is currenlty deployed in Iraq, I ask you to please remember that our Nation is at War, and that every day their is a young man/ women risking their lives to protect our country. EVERY MAN/ WOMEN IN THE MILITARY DESERVE YOUR PRAYERS AND SUPPORT!
Posted by: Lisa Parker | April 25, 2007, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
It is sad that the liberal media has opened this wound only in order to divide this country even more over the Iraq war. They compare apples to oranges, students cut down in their classroom in the United States where safety is taken for granted and U. S. soldiers and marines placed in harms way with full knowledge of the possible consequences when involved in war. The lowering of the flag is a small form of security and closure for those families that lost loved ones at Virginia Tech. Lets us not be a part of this journalism that surpasses yellow and goes directly to red journalism. Let us show our respect and sympathy to the students and our respect, admiration, and unspeakable gratitude, because there are no words sufficient in the English language, for our warriors and what they have done and sacrificed for this country. Lets us as a nation not grow to hate this war and include our service men and women as we did for the Vietnam veterans who returned to America without a hero’s welcome and forgotten as quickly as they were called up for service. Yes the flag should be lowered as it is everyday at Arlington but lets us keep in sight that they deserve much more than a mere lowering of the flag. Do not trivialize their sacrifices to a symbolic gesture but rather immortalize them with true gratitude such as free or nearly free housing, free medical assistance, and free education. Not the G.I. Bill but a true free education if they so choose to take advantage of it without any payback required, just our thanks
Posted by: Greg Moody | April 25, 2007, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
I am saddened by the notion that the honor and remembrance due our military personnel in Iraq has been inappropriately eclipsed by the national attention given to the VT tragedy. I write with the mindset of an alumnus of VT and a Viet Nam veteran.
It is true that the airwaves have been recently saturated by coverage of events at Virginia Tech. So much of it seems to be an attempt, in vain I think, to explain the unexplainable. The tragedy there was as unexpected as it was shocking. Yet the grief that it inspires has parallels in the sorrow that attaches to our military losses in Iraq and elsewhere.
Each week various news outlets display the names of military personnel whose lives have been lost. As the names of so many twenty-somethings and their seniors scroll by, I lament all the future good that was forfeit with the lives of such extraordinary individuals who had committed their lives to our national well being. And I sympathize with the families and friends who disproportionately bear the grief of their loss. I am reminded of all that each time I drive by a nearby Veterans’ Cemetery where the flags perpetually fly at half-staff.
We diminish all of these lives by debating which deserves the greater share of public acknowledgment. We would do them greater honor by expressing our gratitude to each of the men and women we encounter who wear the uniforms of our nation’s armed services.
Posted by: Duane W. Marshall | April 25, 2007, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Most of the VT students and faculty were victims in the wrong place at the wrong time. Flags should be lowered perhaps in Virginia but not elsewhere.
Too often we lower the American flag for incidents that occur that do not warrant it. There should be rigid guidelines to be followed for lowering the flag to half staff.
I like what George Stephanopolis does on “This Week” to recognize the military personnel that have died this week.
Posted by: chris | April 25, 2007, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
I think flags should be flown at halfmass until the war is over and all of our troops in Iraq and Afghanstan,and Iran are brought home. The names and addresses of soldiers who are killed each day should be read each day on the evening news. Everyone knows they are giving up their lives, because Bush wants to control the oil in the far East. Why don’t they impeach him? When is the war memorial to the soldiers who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanstan going to be built?
Posted by: Rayburn | April 25, 2007, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
The soldiers are the only ones feeling the sacrafices of this war. One reason we don’t feel the sacrafice is because its cost is hidden in national debt and because there is no draft. If we all got a bill each time the president asked for a war budget augmentation, perhaps we would pay a little more attention. If there was a draft, we would definitely feel it.
The monetary sacrafice would feel if we had a “pay as you go” policy for this war would in no way compare to what the soldiers are giving up, but at least it is something that we would feel several times a year that would give us an idea of the burden this war is placing upon America. It would also help offset some of the debt we are incurring.
The adminisration has done a very good job ensuring most of us do not directly feel the effects of the war, but the soldiers get no such reprieve. They are getting abused in life and death. We must not be oblivious about how this is going down and acknowledge the huge sacrafices our soldiers are making.
Posted by: Tom Mitchell | April 25, 2007, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
My brother is in the military, my other brother has been, my father was, my grandfather was, and his grandfather was, his uncle and so on…I believe we should honor every memeber of the military that is killed while serving..every single one…I have heard complaining about the trouble this is, and many may feel that way…until it is your family member…we owe them ALL respect…Every single person..
Posted by: Tracey Trejo | April 25, 2007, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
This issue unfortunately highlights a failure in national leadership in its responsibility to rally a nation’s people purportedly at war. As a retired military officer and with a paratrooper son deployed in Iraq, I witnessed the disassociation stateside with events overseas even upon my return from Afghanistan in 2004. Instead of questioning why flags should or should not be flown at half-staff, we should be questioning why this debate even arose. The debate we should be having centers on one key aspect of this war: considering the threat, why have we not reinstituted the draft? Defense of this nation is a basic responsibility of citizenship. With troop extensions now the norm, it will only be a short time before the volunteer force is no longer sustainable. What’s the plan then…recalling retirees…while the rest of America shops?
Posted by: Michael | April 25, 2007, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
What happened at VT is a terrible thing and our young people dying in war is terrible and Columbine was trrrible as are lost of other things that happen in our world, but it has gotten to the point that the flag in flown at half staff everytime you turn around. It is almost a suprise to see the flag at full staff. It has gotten to the pont that the honor of having the flag at half staff is no longer a honor it is expected when anything bad happens.It might as well be at half staff when a military person dies, it is at half staff for everything else! Why not for our brave men and women in uniform!
Posted by: Kathy Aschtgen | April 25, 2007, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Ok first of all I don’t even know why these two incidents are being compared. The men and women who are in Iraq sign up to go be in the military and know the risks of doing so. The students at Virginia Tech didn’t sign up to be shot to death or see their friends killed. It wasn’t a question on the admissions application “do you understand the risks of coming to this school? You may be shot killed at any moment.” No absolutely not. If people want to complain about flags not being lowered half-staff that’s fine, but don’t use the Virginia Tech shooting as an excuse to do so. They are completely different situations and to even bring this up at this point in time is dishonoring to those innocent people who died that day, and the heros who did all they could to save others.
Posted by: anonomous | April 25, 2007, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
It sickens me that people are comparing what happened in Virgina to the war. Those kids didn’t sign up to fight a war and know that there was a chance they could get killed. Those kids went there to learn and not learn how to shoot a gun. It doesn’t remind me about all the soldiers who are being killed but the poor people in the middle east who want no part of war and are being killed by soldiers from both sides.
Posted by: cat | April 25, 2007, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Prior to 9/11 the flag was flown at half-mast for the deaths of government officials. 9/11 changed a lot of things. If we lower the flag for the students at VT, then we should keep the flag at half-mast until the war is over. Or we need to decide to change it back to the way it was prior to 9/11. Local communities should always have the option of lowering the flag as the community will understand the meaning. Federal flags should make a choice.
Posted by: Maureen Carlson | April 25, 2007, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
I feel a profound sadness everytime I hear of the death of one of our American soldiers. I feel the same sadness when students are slaughtered by a killer. I feel that we, as Americans, were lied to by the President and all his associates to get into this war. I’ve gone to funerals lately where kids I once had the pleasure to teach have come home from that war in coffins. When I see a soldier or a veteran, I shake their hand and tell them, “Thank You, for all you’re doing.” When I look into the eyes of the kids I’m teaching now, I hope for a better world, with smarter and wiser leaders than we have now in Washington DC. Everyday, with every death, the flag in my heart is at half staff. I hope Bush and Cheney have a little trouble sleeping at night. Maybe someday they’ll learn to tell the truth
Posted by: mike | April 25, 2007, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
I’ve read all the posts and I haven’t seen anyone point out that if it
wasn’t for the U.S. Military protecting us, we wouldn’t be able to enjoy the freedom we have, and certainly college wouldn’t be a
option for anyone. I’m very saddened by the deaths of the students
however, we NEED to remember all the people that are putting their
lives on the line so we can come and go as we please with the knowledge we are being kept safe by someone with much more
courage than we possess. Support the Troups and Pray for them and their families. Fly the flags at half mass until they are all home
Posted by: Beverly carroll | April 25, 2007, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
The best solution is to have a special WAR TIME FLAG the flies just below our American Flag and every day that soldiers are killed-lower that flag should be lowered.. But it was dumb to lower it for Virginia Students when we have soldiers over seas dying every day and hardly any mention of the suffering of their families and the suffering of the individual soldier before he died. And some of the officials aren’t even worth mentioning when they die.
Then when we are not at war, take the WAR TIME flag down, and have a peace time flag.
Posted by: Carolyn Cusick | April 25, 2007, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
The first military funerals I attended were for two young men who went to high school with our kids here. The third was the son of one of my coworkers. I prayed to God then that I would not have to attend another. I’ve been to seven more. I’ll be attending Lt. Gaspers’ funeral in Hastings, NE.
Here in Nebraska, we do honor those who have given their lives in the service of our country. I have driven into towns where all businesses have their flags lowered, where churches and school gymnasiums are overflowing, where the streets are lined with people holding flags, their hats off, their hands over their hearts as the funeral procession makes it way to the cemetery. I’ve seen people stand in the heat, or in the rain, or in the snow as they wait for the rest of the hundreds of people to arrive before the graveside service can begin.
I go because I’m an American and the father of an Airman who has been deployed twice to Iraq. I go because those young men and that young woman gave their lives and their futures in the name of the USA. I seldom say anything to the families. I’m just another American who took the time to acknowledge that someone gave their life for our country. Some people wonder why I go. I wonder why they don’t.
I’ll attend Lt. Gaspers’ funeral. I pray to God it’s the last one I’ll go to.
Posted by: Mark McCaffery | April 25, 2007, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
The enlisted service women & men who have died in the Iraq War (2003-present) made a VOLENTARY sacrifice. They were not drafted. They enlisted into the armed services knowing full well that they could be called to risk life and limb. That was a conscious decision that they made. The students who lost their lives at Virginia Tech did NOT make a voluntary sacrifice but instead had their lives taken away from them in a civil situation without choice. As sad as a soldier loosing her or his life maybe, it is even a more mournful situation when you have students (in any country & who do not enlist to potential kill or be killed) have their lives taken away from them without cause or reason & in a civil situation. Because of these distinct differences it is easily understandable as to why the deaths at Virginia Tech would garner more attention and a state of national mourning.
Posted by: Bethany Dever | April 25, 2007, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
In Oregon the flags are lowered to half staff for the fallen hero’s. The Govenor also attends all the funerals he is able to. That can not be an easy task.
Posted by: Ed M | April 25, 2007, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
i was thinking about the times when we should lower our flags in mourning. and though i think it is and should continue to be lowered on one hand , on the other i can think of no better way to honor our dead heroes than the the great flag of the United States of America to fly high and proudly to honor those who give the ultimate sacrefice so that we may remain a free people and as a symbol to the world.
Posted by: henry | April 25, 2007, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
What’s new? When is the last time people in this country actually went to a national cementary, or a Soldiers or Airmen’s Home on Memorial Day instead of going to some sale? I was retired from the US Army at the age of 21 (which was 16 years ago, during the first Gulf War) for injuries suffered in the line of duty, my father is a WWII veteran of some of the worst Pacific battles our country fought. Outside of special worship services at church, not one person outside our family has ever thanked either one of us for anything that we did. Let’s face it that America does not care about it’s veteran’s unless there is a political agenda to forward, why would our current war change that? If we care about our veteran’s, present and past, let’s just fly the flag, at any mast, in their honor!
Posted by: Angel Cubero | April 25, 2007, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
I think it would be commendable and appropriate, to say the least, to lower all our nation’s flags to half-staff upon the death of any U.S. soldier. They definitely do deserve it!!!!
Posted by: Rhonda Wright | April 25, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
I agree with the gentleman who said that at the end of every newscast the men and women who have been maimed or killed in Iraq and Afghanistan that day should be named and described. It’s true that men and women did volunteer to serve their countries, but they didn’t volunteer to have their lives taken or ruined by serious injuries because Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Hadley, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz lied repeatedly about the reasons for going to war. Speaking of lies, Bush’s often spoken support for the troops rings hollow when we see how little attention is being paid to helping veterans who return to this country desperately needing long term medical care. Many thanks to Bob Woodruff for keeping this issue before us. I hope all news reporters will remind us daily of the true costs of this war…maybe the American public will finally wake up and support bringing our troops home where they belong and providing the care and assistance the wounded men and women need and deserve!
Posted by: Linda | April 25, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I always thought it was a privilege to watch as the coffins were downloaded at Dover, Deleware. This was my opportunity to honor these men and women. Our present administration has denied me this chance by never showing this on TV. I am an Aire Force Veteran and very upset that we, the people, have been denied this and wonder why.
Carolyn Covington April 25, 2007 10:38 PM
Posted by: Carolyn Covington | April 25, 2007, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
It is highly distressing to Americans to see our American Miltary men and women not honored on a daily basis as we honored and empathized with the families of the students at Virginia Tech. The Bush Administration has “sold out” the Americans who are ready and willing to give the ultimate sacrifice for their country. It is such a “slap in the face” to American military men and women for their President and his advisors to have so little regard for them and their safety.
Posted by: Greg Wojahn | April 25, 2007, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Maybe we should keep our flags at half-mast until the boys come home. In honor of those who so bravely give there lives as Americans, regardless of the politics, and hang it low in sadness and shame for our leaders who would put them their for to own questionable ends!
Posted by: Kashuba | April 25, 2007, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
As a 31 year veteran and a combat veteran from Viet Nam, I’m not surprised at all that our fallen veterans are not honored as they should. They never have been. Our VVA group honors them at each and every meeting and many of us fly flags purely out of respct for them.
Posted by: Don | April 25, 2007, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
I would like to add my comments to flying the flag at half staff for our fallen soldiers. Having served in the United States Army as an officer for 27 years, I feel very strongly that we should honor our solders by flying flags at half staff. Having said that, perhaps it would be for each state to commemorate their fallen warriors by flying the flag at half staff at each capitol of each state for a period of a week each time their state loses a soldier. This brings it closer to home for the family and makes it more personal. It could even be done at the city level at the City Hall. We don’t do enough for our fallen soldiers or their families. Richard Ng
Posted by: Richard Ng | April 25, 2007, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
Being a non-partisen person, it appears to me that the solders that serve this country give more than any politician {republican or democrat }.Those who serve than go into politics lose something. I am sure those kids at Virginia Tech saw some horrors that people their age should never see, this was a one day thing that they will have to live with the rest of their lives but again there are young men and women of this same age group that see far worst everyday and than get extanded also sent back. When these young people come they find no support or a small amount compared to what is happening at VT. My son tells me he will never be able to put into words the things that he has seen. Look at where our solders come from, there is a draft of sorts. The economy in the small towns and villages is poor or non-existant this puts collage out of reach if you don’t have means or able to get loans. The military means schooling. Please honor these solders.
Posted by: mike painter | April 25, 2007, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
In Oregon, all fallen soldiersare honored. At the request of the Governor,the flag is lowered to half staff for the day of the meoorial service because our Governor, Ted Kulingoski, tries to attend each memorial service. He served in the Marines and respects the fallen lives. It is a great traditon and may continue into the future. Oregon has lost too many lives.
Posted by: Ron Gould | April 25, 2007, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
The Virginia Tech masacre was an American tragedy. Lowering the flag was a brief and honorable tribute to the victims and served as a healing mechanism.
The flag and medals ceremoniously handed to the next-of-kin of a fallen soldier not only represent an honorable tribute, but also a legacy that lives forever.
Posted by: Sharon Bush | April 26, 2007, 12:10 am 12:10 am
I would like to send out my prayers and thoughts to all the families dealing with the tragedy at Virginia Tech. I am the proud parent of a United States Marine who has been deployed three times to fight the war in Iraq. I feel like the same honor and respect should be given to our Military who are killed every day fighting for our freedom!! Until each of our young men and women are brought home they deserve our prayers and support, because it is a huge sacrifice they choose to make for all of us. It seems very easy for people to forget about the war being fought if they are not personally affected by it. Let us all be very thankful for the young people like my son who wish to fight for our rights!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA
Posted by: Sally Wolfenbarger | April 26, 2007, 12:19 am 12:19 am
I was glad tonight when I heard Charlie talking about the flying of flags at half staff for our fallen service men. We need to put them at half staff until this combat is over. We also should be given the names and home towns every evening on the news when we have had casualties. Today there were 7 killed and only two were mentioned in the news. Most of the time we are not told when soldiers are killed. The number of fallen should be mentioned on every news cast every single day until Bush can stand it no longer and decides to bring them home again for good.
Posted by: Christa Vaughan | April 26, 2007, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Georgia Ward, said it all.
“The soldiers are at war and America is at the mall.”
Bush and Murder Inc., are fanning the flames and counting their money in their bunkers. If you don`t behave, he will declare a “RED” alert and unchain Cheney. SIC EM Boy.
Christian right winger
Posted by: Dnc | April 26, 2007, 12:34 am 12:34 am
In Michigan, flags are lowered to half-staff, by order of the Governor, whenever a Michigan soldier is killed in Iraq/Afghanistan. This is as it should be. On TV, we see the numbers of soldiers killed and that’s all they seem to have become..a number. We are not permitted to see their caskets arriving in the U.S..the Administration has seen that this is not done. The war isn’t even on the front pages any more; just another sound bite, another story on an inside page of the newspaper. The families of those killed/wounded in this war should be forever in our minds, no matter what your feelings about the war (I’ve opposed it from the beginning). Many of the troops are on their 2nd, even 3rd or 4th deployment. And they go willingly because it is their job. At the very least we owe them our honor and respect, which is more than they have gotten from Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and company.
Posted by: Barb LaBelle | April 26, 2007, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Our flag should be lowered for someone who has served this country like a member of Congress or the Mayor of a city. the students at Virginia Tech did nothing to deserve this honor. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The troops serving in Iraq or anywhere who give their lives should be honored but if every service person has the flag lowered the honor of the flag zt half staff will lose it’s meaning. We as citizens of this country should show our support in a different fashion. While I support our troops I am totally against this war. I lived through Viet Nam, while my husband was over there. I hope that what happened to our troops in Viet Nam is not repeeated with the troops deployed overseas.
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Posted by: Lynnette Sidebottom | April 26, 2007, 3:29 am 3:29 am
As the daughter of a WWII veteran, the wife of a Viet Nam veteran, and the mother of a son in his 17th year of serving his country in the Armed
Forces I have lots to say!! But not till my son is out of the service. I don’t want to cause him trouble. No, I do not disagree with his serving his country I just disagree with the way this conflict is being handled.
Our son, nor those he is with, expect a thing from anyone. They are proud of what they do, believe in what they are doing and only ask to be buried under the flag of this country when they come home in a box.
I will tell you that there is not a lack of support for our service men and women from the home front, it is just not covered by the media. The whole country was behind WWII. As the wife of a Viet Nam veteran I know that they were kicked in the gut by the government when they
came home and have never gotten recognition for their sacrifice. Our military is at it’s lowest level for supplies, numbers of members,
knowledgeable leadership and positive leadership by those who could make a difference, ie the government. All we as parents ask is that he
be allowed to do his job without the interference of the politicians, but it will be a cold day in you know where before that happens.
We support the family members of our service men and women in any way we can. We pray for our service men and women as we raise our flag daily.
Will you please pray with us?
Sincerely,
David’s Mom
Posted by: Sandra King | April 26, 2007, 5:09 am 5:09 am
It breaks my heart to see what this country has come to.As the mother of a son who is serving in Iraq,I know of some of the sacrifices, that come from this war.To not even lower the flag,which is the symbol of what there fighting for, when one of them is killed is a small petty thing on behave of the country they have vowed to serve and protect makes no sence to me. I feal for the families of VT, the loss of any life is a pain we all share much less the useless killing of a group of such promising young lifes,but we lose young lifes daily on the batlefields, and we realy make no notice but a blurb on the news, and the lifetime sorrow of the familys and friends.Till they day they all come home the flag should be flow at half mask, all flags as a reminder of all that give there lifes for us.I also feal that the President and congress should have no vactions till this war is over,tillthe men and women there get home, maybe then they could come with a way to get us out of there,and bring a end to all of this before we lose any more Nancy Hill
Posted by: Nancy | April 26, 2007, 6:05 am 6:05 am
in response to the many service men and women that protect us . i fully admire and respect each and every one of you! you do honor to yourselves and your country in the profession that you have chosen. as to the flag issue, it is my personal opinion that the agenda for flying the flag at half mast is as it should be. granted that we should recognize and respect and honor not only our fallen soldiers, but each and every military person for the job that they perform so that we might live in a free country! just remember that this is a profession, the same as a policeman or a fireman is, should they not also be honored for the risking of there lives also? they are in a high risk profession to serve and protect,the same as our military is. yes we should all, as americans honor and respect each and every one of you! it is just that we should leave the flag deal alone! i want to take this opportunity to personally thank each and every one of you serving in our armsd forces and to let you know that i try to pray for you each day! i also think it takes avery special person to do the prfession you have chosen, GOD bless each and every one of you! thank-you, gary andrews
Posted by: gary andrews | April 26, 2007, 6:12 am 6:12 am
A week ago I sent an e-mail to CNN Headline News on this topic and received no response. I stated that the coverage of the VT tragedy was excellent. I stated, however, that I think it is wrong that no major network is covering the loss of life of our servicemen and women with equal compassion. Why wouldn’t the nation be presented with a picture of the person who will now never achieve his or her personal goals and come home to a family and friends? Why wouldn’t we be told what was special about each one of these people who chose to go to war because they believed in defending our country. My theory is that if we knew who these people were, rather than just “troops” it would drastically change America’s perception and acceptance of the war.
Posted by: Christine | April 26, 2007, 6:32 am 6:32 am
The V-Tech students murders were a tragedy but they did not die for their country. I agree with most viewers that a flag should be lowered to half mast at the White House each time a service person is killed.
Posted by: Mrs Green | April 26, 2007, 7:07 am 7:07 am
I believe that the flag should remain at half mast 24 hours a day 7 days a week until all our soldiers return home. Our President and elected officials chose to send them to fight in a foreign country and our country should honor them every moment of every day. They are being pushed to their physical, mental and emotional limits by repeated deployments. It does not matter what one’s political beliefs are. Our soldiers should be on everyones minds everyday. The flag should remain constantly at half mast, in honor of their service, until they are all home.
Posted by: B.B. | April 26, 2007, 7:08 am 7:08 am
Charles, it was not the American people who eulogized, honored, or in other ways “recognized” the victims of the Virginia tech murders, truly it was the media that spent so much time and effort to mobilize and make more of the tragedy than we do of the death and maiming of our soldiers. Yes, after suffering the barrage of media attention and its pandering to emotions (something a NEWS organization should consider an anathema) the PC handling of the tragedy demanded over reaction. I’ll wager the President was “advised” by his Czars of PC that he’d better get on the bandwagon or face the castigation of the national news media for gross inhumanness. Think I’m a media hater? Go back and do a self analysis of how much time ABC, NBC, or CBS spent since the tragedy discussing/ reporting/ analyzing/ EMOTING/ presenting/ and otherwise in some way handling it. Why? My firm belief is that:
1) it is due to a lack of any clear philosophy/statement/considered judgement of what is and what is not NEWS. My God, even tonight—after you broached this question, you presented–as NEWS–how many bullets the murderer used and how long the police took to get to the murder site. This is NEWS? Charles–shame! Yet, you are by far the best of our national anchors on commercial TV.
2) Americans are, by and large, afraid to stand up against what seems to be the popular (and too often EASY) opinion. This reticent/fear is the truly dangerous face of PC.
3) Finally, the American character has been softened by a myriad of influences (and the media is one of the major ones). Think of how our forbearers reacted to the tragedy at Harper’s Ferry, or the great San Francisco earthquake, or the great johnstown flood, or the 1918 influenza epidemic. We didn’t bring in grief counselors, we didn’t agonize about how the families of the innocent victims would be able to carry on. We carried on and were proud of our ability to gird ourselves and carry on.
While I am at this, shouldn’t the journalist consider what the essential difference is between, for example, the killing of a family (mother, father, and children) by a drunk driver and the murder at Virginia Tech? In both cases innocent people with no real connection to the killer are dead by no fault of their own. s the only difference in the number of innocents killed? Lets see —a couple of hundred or so innocentes are killed each year by crazed murderers and several thousand innocents are kissed each year by drunken drivers—well maybe the real difference is not in the number of innocents. I don’t know, but in the back of my mind I keep hearing the term “newsworthy”. I mean, how much can you say about some drunk and a family of 5? Happens all the time! But, gosh, 30 some non-related people – at one time- talk about being able to fill up the space—wow! Are the extended family of the mom, dad, and kids murdered by the drunk driver less deserving of notice, of public notice, of public grief?
Also, shouldn’t the journalist ask the question, “for what purpose/objective/end am I publicizing this?”? Even more basic, shouldn’t the editor (or manager) ask the basic questions, “what is news? what is newsworthy for this organization? What public good am I supporting with this story?” and then tailor the handling or non-handling) to the answers to those questions? Charles, as an example let us examine your comments tonight concerning the bullets and police timliness. The only public good I can think of is that of keeping the public informed. but informed of what? What is it about the 160 or 170 bullets or police response of 5 minutes is informative to the public? Less than 150 bullets is not to be worried about?== 160 bullets and only 30 some dead is bad marksmanship? A response time from (when?) to arriving at the shooting scene is good?–is bad?– is what?
Anthony Dunn
Posted by: anthony dunn | April 26, 2007, 7:23 am 7:23 am
As a Vietnam War Veteran this is not a new issue for me. The reason we morn the innocent and shun the warrior is because if we recognize the warrior we feel guilty and inferior.
Recognize the news media is just an extension of the entertainment industry with political purpose. An attribute of this great country is that you can stand against something. Unfortunately that seems to be the total focus and value reinforced by the media.
This next month I will participate again as many hundreds of thousand join in rolling thunder and ride to the Vietnam Veteran War Memorial. Network news will pay less attention to an event like this than it does to 25 protesters on a road to a farm in Texas.
Posted by: C. Fellows | April 26, 2007, 7:23 am 7:23 am
Why do you think we get copycat killers? Because the media spends weeks making killers like the Columbine and VT famous. It’s in the news for weeks and months. We immortalize the victims (which calls attention to the killer). When Mr. Gibson mentioned this story about flying flags at half mast for the victims, he continued by only mentioning 2 of the soldiers killed recently in Iraq. I think if the families agree EVERY night on the news those killed at war should have their names read and be honored by this country! I believe we should all fly our flags at half mast till we quit killing our children in Iraq! My son has been their twice before he turned 22 years of age and is looking to go again. Maybe Mr. Bush would feel different if his daughters were over there. We have got to support all of them better!!
Posted by: Maria | April 26, 2007, 7:47 am 7:47 am
My son is a marine and has done a tour in Ramadi. We will be keeping our flag at half mass until the drops come home because there is nat a day that goes buy that a soldier is not killed. This country is a disgrace not to show respect to these men and women surving our country. So I tell you put your flag at half mass until they come home.
Posted by: B.C. | April 26, 2007, 8:05 am 8:05 am
As sad as it is to have had so many military killed in Iraq, let us not forget that the American public was sold a bill of goods to get us behind the war. Since then, the reasons for going to war have been proven false. We were told the cost of the war was goint to be paid from oil produced in Iraq. This has yet to happen. But, saddest of all, is the way those killed in the war are returned to the US. This administration has purposely chosen to keep the American public from seeing the remains returned to the US. The American public cannot be faulted for feeling detached from a war about which we have been kept in the dark from the beginning.
Posted by: O.D.B. | April 26, 2007, 8:21 am 8:21 am
The President should issue an order to fly the flag at half mast 24/7 until the troops come home. It was good of the President to go to Virginia to show the people the support of the country and of course his very important photo op. How about a photo op of him after a plane load of our brave men and women come back in flag draped caskets at Dover AFB?
Posted by: Ron | April 26, 2007, 8:38 am 8:38 am
It was a horrible thing that happened at V-Tech and I am praying for all of the family and friends. The reality is that our country glamorizes violence in movies and games and then wonders why these things happen.
We all mourn with all of those that lose loved ones needlesly to every type of violence but flags at half mast need to be a reserved honor.
Soldiers fighting in a war that is NOT senseless but has true meaning for peace deserves this honor more.
God Bless America and all of Us.
Debra
Posted by: DStillman | April 26, 2007, 8:56 am 8:56 am
The real shame here is America. We are a people of very short memory. This very same situation happened at the end of Viet Nam, starting with the news media who only want to report what will sell the news, not a true balanced picture of what is really going on over there. Then the politicians feed the media with all they can for their own political gain. This is shameful, especially from those who have a military background, some from Viet Nam, and certainly should know better. These actions are just a repeat of their actions during Viet Nam, it cost America the Viet Nam conflict and it will cost her the Iraq conflict also. Hopefully the voters and the American people will wake up before it is too late and put the negatives, those who don’t have a knowledgeable solution to offer, out to pasture. Maybe we can find a way to make the media wake up, avoid their sponsors, to the fact that the American people would like a balanced report, not just what they, the media, want to tell us for their gain.
Posted by: Robert Walters | April 26, 2007, 9:05 am 9:05 am
I read alot of the emails, and statement people had to say about the lowering of the flag for the VT students, I feel bad, but allot of people don’t understand WHERE WAS BUSH AND CHENEY DURING THE VIETNAM WAR AND DID THEY GO AND SUPPORT THE TROOPS? NOW THEY WANT TO SAY WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS. (I forgot Bush records are lost, and Cheney had better things to do) Allot of troops and Marines join the military to better themselves or start a family.
And as compassionate conservatives they are all about the family, but Bush and Cheney are breaking up the family by using religion statements,and having young mothers and fathers die on a foreign soil for what. It is not for terrorism. But the supporter don’t see that, and that is why this generation is like it is.
WHERE IS THE COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE WHO VOTED THESE PEOPLE IN? WAKE UP AMERICA IT WAS A GAME THEY PLAYED WITH YOU, AND THEY ARE LAUGHING AT YOU.
Because if Bush beleived in this war he would have his twin daughters serve, but he is willing to sacifice others.
Posted by: Ed | April 26, 2007, 9:12 am 9:12 am
Our soldiers killed or wounded in combat deserve as much or more recognition than the students killed or wounded at VT.
Our soldiers are fighting a war of choice which should have been avoided.
Stevens in TN
Posted by: Jim and Barbara Stevens | April 26, 2007, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Thank you World News for sharing this story. I am the mother of a 21 yr. old who is serving In Iraq at this time and the day of the Va.Tech incident I thought it ironic that we as a country were in so much shock over this horrible crime and yet we seem so diconnected from what happens in our soldiers lives every day that they are over there. Every day they have to deal with the deaths of their comrads. They don’t have family to lean on while they are there. They have to process it and move on. We as a country have become so complacent, I believe, mainly because it has become commonplace to see the war in the news. Hopefully, this story will cause us all to really think about and be grateful for the sacrifices our service men and women are making every day. The loss of a loved is just that- A loss- No matter where it happens.
Posted by: AMcCormick | April 26, 2007, 9:47 am 9:47 am
No one should have to Die by the hand of another, It is sadness for everyone. The American Flag is a symbol of liberty & justice for us all. But with out are service men and women who go out knowing that they may never come back, we could loose this great flag. We could loose are freedom. They chose to give there life for us. The V-Tech men and women did not make that choice, That’s what makes it a Tragedy and not the ultimate sacrifice for others. I believe we lower the flag so much for every thing that it is taking away from the true meaning. My thoughts and prays go out to every one. God bless my little girl who ships out tomorrow. USN
Posted by: Paul Jensen | April 26, 2007, 9:53 am 9:53 am
I am positively infuriated when anyone indicates that Americans do not care about those killed, or injured, in the war in Iraq. We are not allowed to see our dead when they come home. It is called exploitation by the Bush administration when their coffins are shown when they arrive back in the United States. It is not that we don’t care. We are not allowed to care. It is politically incorrect. John McCain says that the current opposition to the war is caused by our representatives paying attention to opinion polls. The strongest opinion poll was taken last fall when Americans took an overwhelming stand against the war by voting against the Republicans. The current representatives should pay attention to the “opinions” of Americans. We care deeply for the people who are our armed forces. We send our prayers up for them every day. We want desperately to know who they are, and we want to share in their families’ grief when they are injured or killed. We should be informed of every single death, and not just with a number, but with a face and a name. The flag should be flown at half-staff until every American comes home from this nightmare we call war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I do not know one person who does not care about the men and women in our armed forces. We care a great deal.
Posted by: Karen Weagle | April 26, 2007, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Dear Charlie Gibson:
I appreciate World News sharing its story with Americans. I too was deeply saddened by the incident at VA Tech, but as a mother of a marine who is presently serving this country, I was also angry on how much emphasis was placed on the VA Tech story. My heart felt thought went out to the families of those soldiers who had sacrificed so much for their country but received so little. Our service men and woman of this country, young or old, need to be greatly respected for what they provide each and every one of us with each day…..Freedom and Democracy!
Let’s show our respect and lower those flags for those who provide the ulitimate sacrafice, our service men and women.
Laurie Kimball
New Hampshire
Posted by: Laurie Kimball | April 26, 2007, 10:47 am 10:47 am
When Charlie said “The nation has spent a lot of time remembering the victims of the VT gunman, but what about the troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?” I put the player on pause and shook my finger at the frozen image of Charlie and said:
Don’t you dare blame me for misplaced sentiments. It is you who makes the choice of what I see; it is you who chose to concentrate on the VT tragedy all week and not report on the stories of the soldiers who die every day; it is you who have chosen to report the soldiers’ deaths as statistics and not as individual human beings. Each Sunday I choose to watch the “In Memoriam” in detail, shushing my husband if he chooses to speak during that time. This is the only opportunity ABCNews gives us to pay tribute to these people who gave their lives so that we can be sitting comfortably in front of our TV. This is your choice, not ours. At that point I let the rest of Dan Harris’ story play and realized I had been anticipating a very different story from the one you actually told. How far apart we are on this subject!
Posted by: Ann Shippee-Brenner | April 26, 2007, 10:50 am 10:50 am
I believe that American flags should be flown at half-staff until ALL of our troops come home and stay home.
We need to honor, not one soldier’s death or school tragedy, but all of those who’ve given their lives to protect us.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families who have lost someone they love in Iraq and also those who still have family members over there.
Posted by: Lori | April 26, 2007, 11:37 am 11:37 am
I agree with all of the other comments that we should honor our fallen soldiers by flying the Flag at half mast. It’s the very least we can do for their familys
Posted by: john best | April 26, 2007, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
I agree with the ones that say to lower flags to half staff till all our service men and women are home. And my thoughts and prayers go out to all the familes that have lost someone in this war or any other and to those who still have someone serving our country that all come back safe. We need to be reminded that we are lossing someone over there almost everyday.
Posted by: Elaine | April 26, 2007, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Along with so many things that have changed in this country is how we seem put values on different lives, and not just through court awards. We used to have cemeteries to memorialize loved ones lost. Now we put up memorials everywhere, or want to rip down structures because something awful happened inside of them. Lives seem more valuable if they are lost en masse. Although we have individual Americans killing individual Americans every day, and hopefully someone loved each one, we don’t hear a body count on the news each night. The whole situation is tragic.
But today, right now, I feel the saddest when I hear of another soldier losing their life because, in most cases, they have given it for all the rest of us. They weren’t recklessly speeding, playing with a Blackberry while operating a vehicle, fighting over drugs, robbing someone, or squabbling over meaningless trivia and deciding a gun was the way to solve the problem, they were sacrificing for what they saw as the greater good. And their families sacrifice, not only when their lives are lost, they sacrifice through separation.
And the volunteer soldiers shouldn’t do it alone. Every person who lives in this country should have to devote at least 2 years of their lives to public service to gain some respect for why this country was founded and what it should be standing for.
Posted by: Hank W. | April 26, 2007, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
I’m sorry about the tragic events at VT too, but the soldiers keep dying in Iraq and Afghanistan and life here seems to go merrily on. I agree – only the soldiers and the families of the soldiers are making a sacrifice. I sometimes wonder if it would be better if the draft was reinstated – maybe then enough people would protest and force the powers that be to bring this war to a close and bring our soldiers home.
Posted by: Terri | April 26, 2007, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Great story. And really interesting timing. I work for a newspaper in a small town called York, Nebraska, and I run the newspaper website where we produce daily web content and video.
In a town of less than 8,000, when the body of local soldier returned home after being killed from a roadside IED around the same day as the VT massacre, our paper had little coverage of the national event—with even little talk about it in our town–as everyone focused on honoring the fallen solider.
And when I say honoring, I mean it. The whole town practically shut down as nearly everyone lined the streets from the funeral to the grave yard (about 2 miles). While new flags were added to every lamppost, other flew at half mast for several days. I really didn’t hear much about the VT event until much later, when the funeral was all over.
Our town just felt that honoring those who died in battle, for our country, was the right thing to do at the time–while letting what some might consider a bigger event (the VT massacre) work itself out.
Posted by: Lloyd Armbrust | April 26, 2007, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
I wouldn’t want the loved ones of any soldiers killed or wounded in Iraq to ever think that they are not mourned. Their pain, suffering and sacrifice is the reason many of us protested before the war and want desperately for it to end. We grieve every morning when we see casulty figures on the front page of the paper. With respect and honor, we look into each face when they are pictured in the newspaper. We anguish over the horrible price the Iraqi people are having to pay as well. And there are hundreds of thousands of us out here. We grieve,we mourn, we remember.
Posted by: Chris K | April 26, 2007, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
My Dad was in the Marines and served in Vietnam. I understand how people fill that we do not honor our military and take care of them. But I do not think we should compare this to the VT incident. In my state of New Mexico, our governor puts our flag at half staff any time someone from NM dies. I think you should contact your state government and see why they don’t do even if the the “Government” doesn’t do it. We have military dying every day the flag would be at half staff all the time and maybe again it should be so that we would question why it was.
Posted by: Terry | April 26, 2007, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
I have read all of the postings and can understand both sides with regards to flying the flag at half-mast. Here in Connecticut our governor, Jodi Rell, asks that the flags be flown at half-mast when one of our own has been killed in the war. I personally think this is appropriate. However, I have read that from a military standpoint, ‘they’ like to see the flag flown at full staff, in all of her GLORY as a symbol of freedom! I never thought of it like that, but I see the importance of this to our military.
I also don’t believe that Memorial Day is a day truly devoted to our military and veterans. If we’re honest, most of us look on it as a day off from work, a day to have a picnic or a day to take advantage of pre-summer sales.
Posted by: Tiny - CT | April 26, 2007, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Our kids are also being killed every day in a ridiculous war. What a tragedy that people have come to accept this….such a disgrace. Perhaps if there were a draft, more people would take notice and demand that this insanity stop. But if it doesn’t effect you, that’s ok.
Posted by: Jan | April 26, 2007, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
I believe it would be appropriate to lower the flags at half staff the first day of every month in honor and rememberance for all the fallen soldiers in our military. It would be the right thing to do until we bring our troops home.
Posted by: Sue Bettermann | April 26, 2007, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
The flag should have flown at half mast from the day of the first military fatality in Irag and Afganistan, it might have served to remind over and over again the man who lives on Pennsylvania Ave. what an unnecessary and senseless step he took when he fabricated information to send our country in harm’s way. Maybe that man and all his cronies should put on uniforms and walk around Baghdad without all the security as our military do–never knowing what is around the next corner, he then might have enough sense to stop this war now!!! My husband served in Vietnam and Irag. I am hoping that the Democrats can end the nonsense very soon!!! I have switched from a long time Republican to a Democrat so we can change things for the good on Pennsylvania Ave.!!!!!
Posted by: Jody | April 26, 2007, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
I agree that it is a shame our dead and wounded are not getting the recognition they so richly deserve. If the current administration did not try to hard to divert public attention away from the catastrophe in the middle east, the public would probably take more notice of military sacrifices. Unfortunately for those in power, that notice would bring more attention to their failed war and they do not want that.
Posted by: Judy | April 26, 2007, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
It makes me almost cry to here what the First Lady had to say on NBC’s “Today’s Show”. She said that no body suffers more than the President. Really? He is dancing and having fun while many young American soldiers and innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan are getting killed, losing limbs and home and everything. My hearts go out for the victims at VT, but we should recognize the fact that our soldiers, who might have hoped to attend a college someday when they completed their duties, never had that opportunities and come back home in coffins. Why only they have to sacrifice? People who don’t want to bring our troops home, please volunteer to the Army right now. If you are not qualified by age limit, send some body in your family to join the troops.
Posted by: Paula | April 26, 2007, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Sacrifices are something our troops make everyday, fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan so that you and I don’t have to. Defending the freedoms, we more often than not take for granted. Our soldiers know their job comes with a cost, time away from loved ones, long hard days and dangerous nights, possibly the loss of those close to them or even their own lives.
I spent the last 15 months of my life worrying daily about my husband. He was serving in Ramadi, Iraq. We both knew the constant dangers he faced; roadside bombs, suicide attacks and other terrorist acts aimed at killing Americans. He saw them first hand. Fortunately every time he was out on missions he was protected by top of the line equipment: Up-armored vehicles, body armor, an M16 weapon, and endless amounts of military training, as well as comrades to stand by him. There are so many steps in place to try and prevent the loss of life; unfortunately sometimes everything was not enough. We lost close friends and members of our military family, the 1st AD. Those lost will never be forgotten!
To compare the loss of lives in war to the massacre that occurred in Blacksburg, VA is outrageous. Students in a classroom or in their dorms should never have to face the fears that our soldiers face. We are not in a war zone. There is no danger pay for going to college! They should never worry about encountering a gunman or whether they will be safe in Math class that day.
This is why the Virginia Tech Massacre was in the news, why the nation mourned the loss of 32 innocent lives. It is not that one incident is more important than the other; the two are completely incomparable.
Our soldiers fight for freedom, but at the understood risk that they may not come home, we will cry together as a family, we will remember and we will honor our lost!
We should never seek to take attention away from those so brutally murdered in cold, defenseless blood at Virginia Tech last week. It could tragically happen anywhere. It’s for the losses on September 11 that we galvanized a nation against terror and so should we galvanize our Nation to promise, “Never again” a massacre like VT. VT as a community rose above the tragedy and taught our nation a lesson in compassion, family and Hokie pride!
I am proud to call myself an army wife and a Hokie, class of ’03.
Posted by: Susan | April 26, 2007, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Any time The Weasel in the Oval Office can find a story to deflect daily feel-good Iraq lies, he’s done it. God help him: Virginia Tech cleanly obliviated the one-day news of the resignation of six Shiite government officials, and the largest syncronized Baghdad car bombings on record, splattering 183 Iraqis about the same open market GOP Senators bragged about safety as they negotiated prices for carpets. If Dubya can’t fess up to having flipped off the US Constitution and US citizenry, let me (a nobody) apologize to VTech students, parents and staff – as well as our underpaid, undersupplied, sacraficial lambs to Dubya’s egomania and ignorance – for using and abusing all of you.
Posted by: Jill | April 26, 2007, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
I don’t agree with many things that our Gov. in Michigan has done but she did start early on to order that all flags are lowered for any of our military personnel who are killed in Iraq. Can we as a nation do anything less?
Posted by: John | April 26, 2007, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
I have seen the horrors of what these young men and women encountered in my tour of 14 months in Iraq.
These Young people are a there of their own free will. There is no draft.
Each and every one who has made the ultimate sacrifice deserves to have the flag lowered to half mast as well as a personal condolence to the families from Pres. Bush.
It is the least we can do for our brave, bright, unselfish, young soldiers.
Posted by: SFC Robert Stevens (ret) | April 26, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
The Flag should fly at half mast until all the troops get home. Also I demand that all of the congress who heve never served should be sent to the front lines in Iraq and be made to stay until this so called war is over. One thing I do not understand is how congressmen during the Korean War and Vietnam War that were of eligible to be drafted never served. Where I come from during these times everybody voluntered.
Thank You, ex Marine Jay Gray
Posted by: Jay Gray | April 26, 2007, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Losing a loved one is never easy. Losing one in wartime is even more difficult. Each and every service member volunteered for duty, knowing full well that they may be sent in harm’s way. Each service member has earned the right to be buried beneath our flag and to receive military honors at their service. Our flag does not need to be lowered for the death of each service member, instead the flag of our great nation should fly high and proud in honor of the service members who have fought and died for this great nation. We owe this honor and tribute to our warriors past, present, and future.
Darrell McDaniel
Former SSgt USMC
Posted by: Darrell | April 26, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Only a few families with soldiers serving in the Iraq war is connected to that war. The rest of the Americans are out of touch with the families who have lost their love ones. We need to do something to remind Americans that when a soldier dies it impacts the family, community and the country. I would suggest setting a time at the end of the week to ring a bell or a moment of silence to remember the soldiers that had sacrificed their life for all of us in the war zone. We need to make everybody aware of th eimpact the war has on the population of the USA and World.
Posted by: Elwood | April 26, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I am a VA Representative at a community college. The flag being lower for students who were not in the service to their country is an insult to those who have given their lives for us all. The servicepersons should be given every honor that this country can give. I can sympathize with those families that lost loved ones but they were doing what our men and women have died to give them…the freedom to go to school. The men and women who serve us best are those who serve this nation. Flags should be flown at half staff until this war is over and our men and women come home. God Bless Our Men and Women in the Armed Services. Thank You all for your service.
Posted by: Toni Stewart | April 26, 2007, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
I believe in general, news coverage exploited rather than honored the students who died at Virginia Tech. It was appropriate for the school’s flags to be lowered, but one reason the story had so much coverage was the availability of photos and the shooter’s video…good for ratings, I guess. The crash at an Blue Angels’ airshow which was a blip on the news coverage. I may be cynical about the news, but my immediate thought was, “there must not be video available.” There were many news stories left not covered at all during the media frenzy about the Va Tech tragedy. What’s the point in having 24 hour news available if there is just going to be one story? Thanks for listening.
Posted by: colleen L | April 26, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
In my opinion, lowering the flag to half mast for the loss of every soldier in Iraq, no matter what state they lived in, would be a stark reminder to everyone that we are at war. As a country, the civilians are currently making no sacrifices for this war as we did in WWI or WWII. Only the soldiers and their families are facing the emotional and financial difficulties from this war. “Our” president has not attended one funeral to date of the over 3,000 young men and women who sacrificed their lives for this senseless, illegal war. If this administration wanted to “support our troops”, the least they could do is provide adequate fighting equipment, stop cutting benefits to our veterans, provide sterile, clean housing for our returning wounded OR bring them home. Since that is currently not possible, lowering the flag to half mast seems to be the simple, appropriate, honorable thing to do.
Posted by: Dory | April 26, 2007, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
Yes, its an wrong and a double standard that those of us who serve, or our familys serve, put their lives on the line for this war, that means nothing. Not even a flag at half staff? Was that Sen Bill Nelson in FLORIDA??? Because are you telling me that a soldier is only important in their hometown that they came from, when they were killed, that the flags only there are to be placed at half staff? But all the murders in America, have much more importance?
ANY POWERFUL INDIVIDUAL, COMPANY OR HOLLYWOOD INSIDER, LETS GET THE WORD OUT. HELP ME GET FORD CEO’s TO OFFER
THEIR SUV PLANTS TO MAKE STRYKER ASSAULT VEHICLES AND FAST, TO PROTECT
OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ! THIS VEHICLE HAS A “V” SHAPED BOTTOM THAT DEFLECTS
MOST IED BLASTS AND COULD, IN BILL MAHER’s HBO special’s WORDS, SAVE 83% OF ALL OUR
TROOPS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED. FORD COULD MASS PRODUCE THEM, AS 8k ARE
NEEDED AND ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS. AND YOU KNOW WHO IS REALLY USING THEM IN IRAQ. NOT OUR SONS
AND DAUGHTERS, MOMS AND DADS. HELP ME GET THRU TO FORD TO OFFER THEIR
SERVICES ON THE TODAY SHOW, SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT MUST THEN SEE THAT IT
CAN BE DONE, AND QUICKLY AND TO PROTECT OUR TROOPS! PLEASE!! PLEASE PRAY AND
HELP PROTECT OUR TROOPS ABROAD IN THE WAR.
Posted by: Navybird | April 26, 2007, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
In my opinion, lowering the flag to half mast for the loss of every soldier in Iraq, no matter what state they lived in, would be a stark reminder to everyone that we are at war. As a country, the civilians are currently making no sacrifices for this war as we did in WWI or WWII. Only the soldiers and their families are facing the emotional and financial difficulties from this war. “Our” president has not attended one funeral to date of the over 3,000 young men and women who sacrificed their lives for this senseless, illegal war. If this administration wanted to “support our troops”, the least they could do is provide adequate fighting equipment, stop cutting benefits to our veterans, provide sterile, clean housing for our returning wounded OR bring them home. Since that is currently not possible, lowering the flag to half mast seems to be the simple, appropriate, honorable thing to do.
Posted by: Dory | April 26, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
My son Christopher was killed in Iraq on June 21, 2005. A few days later I took his siblings to the state capitol in Hartford to hear him eulogized by his state political leaders. I was crushed to see the U.S. Flag flying at full staff over his capitol dome. When I asked about it. I was told that only the President could order the U.S. flag lowered. The governor had ordered the state flag flown at half mast until he was laid to rest in Arlington. I just couldn’t believe that the country he had served and died to protect would not acknowledge his death with such a simple display of honor. I believe local towns, counties, and states should be able, with the President’s permission, be allowed to lower the American flag to honor their local heroes.
I have started the Lights of Freedom Project to seek to illuminate every flag pole in front of every public school to honor those who have served and died in the war on terror, and to allow our flags to fly 24/7 over our young people as a reminder that we should never lower our flag to the darkness of this world, but rather let our national symbol be seen “…in the twilight’s gleaming.”
Posted by: rick hoskins | April 26, 2007, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
i I believe any time we have a service person in Iraq or any war who has given the ultimate sacrafice. they should be honored with the flag held at half mast. as an honor to them. i feel for sorry the parents and families of the students and teachers at Virginia Tech. the studentsand teachers also deserve to be honored. As a veteran of Vietnam. we need to give tribute to our fallen military who gave all in combat.
Posted by: William | April 26, 2007, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
My son Christopher was killed in Iraq on June 21, 2005. A few days later I took his siblings to the state capitol in Hartford to hear him eulogized by his state political leaders. I was crushed to see the U.S. Flag flying at full staff over his capitol dome. When I asked about it. I was told that only the President could order the U.S. flag lowered. The governor had ordered the state flag flown at half mast until he was laid to rest in Arlington. I just couldn’t believe that the country he had served and died to protect would not acknowledge his death with such a simple display of honor. I believe local towns, counties, and states should be able, with the President’s permission, be allowed to lower the American flag to honor their local heroes.
I have started the Lights of Freedom Project to seek to illuminate every flag pole in front of every public school to honor those who have served and died in the war on terror, and to allow our flags to fly 24/7 over our young people as a reminder that we should never lower our flag to the darkness of this world, but rather let our national symbol be seen “…in the twilight’s gleaming.”
Posted by: rick hoskins | April 26, 2007, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
In my opinion, lowering the flag to half mast for the loss of every soldier in Iraq, no matter what state they lived in, would be a stark reminder to everyone that we are at war. As a country, the civilians are currently making no sacrifices for this war as we did in WWI or WWII. Only the soldiers and their families are facing the emotional and financial difficulties from this war. “Our” president has not attended one funeral to date of the over 3,000 young men and women who sacrificed their lives for this senseless, illegal war. If this administration wanted to “support our troops”, the least they could do is provide adequate fighting equipment, stop cutting benefits to our veterans, provide sterile, clean housing for our returning wounded OR bring them home. Since that is currently not possible, lowering the flag to half mast seems to be the simple, appropriate, honorable thing to do.
Posted by: Fridley | April 26, 2007, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
We honor each Michigan soldiers’ sacrifice by flying the flag at half staff.
Posted by: Grant | April 26, 2007, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
There is a stark difference between combat ready soldiers dying in a war zone and young unarmed college students studying German and French on a quiet Virgnia campu being murdered by a madman with the intent of making a name for himself. Families of soldiers realize when their loved ones go to war there is a chance they may not come back alive. Families of college students who send their loved ones off to college are not expecting them to be gunned down in class. Therefore those students deserved to be memorialized just as fallen soldiers are memorialized on Memorial Day every year by this country and whatever President happens to be in office. Regardless of your political view on this war it IS a very different situation. I honor the soldiers who have died in this war and every other war, whether the war was popular or not. They died doing what they were trained to do. These students did not. They had no means of protecting themselves from a crazed gunman cutting them down in the prime of their life.
Posted by: Jennifer | April 26, 2007, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Not lowering our flag is a lack of HONOR and RESPECT, that snears in the face of every man, woman and child that has stepped forward for the Freedom this country since the Boston Tea Party. The Freedoms that in many cases today are enjoyed by way to many people that live here and have never lifted a fingure to defend this country and it’s Freedoms. I was born under this flag, fought for this flag, carried this flag and will hopfully die under this flag, as long as we have men and women stepping up to defend it.
Posted by: Gary | April 26, 2007, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
What has happened to our world these days….Has our Government and President no respect for the men and women,mothers and fathers,sisters and brothers that risk their lives to keep our country safe and free?I don’t think it is to much to ask that our nations flag the flag that represents what these men and women are giving their lives for be flown half staff. It is bad enough that we are portrayed in songs already as “A land where our brothers are dying for others who don’t even care anymore.” I say our Government and President should show a little more respect for our country’s Soliders lets face it these are not just men and women these are HEROES!!!
Posted by: Ana Cruz | April 26, 2007, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
The symbolism of the Stars & Stripes at half-mast should not be lessened during war’s sacrifice. An American’s death in uniform comes in times of war — and peace. No lesser honor would befall the fallen if the flag perpetually flew at half-staff.
Posted by: Dwight | April 26, 2007, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
I respect and am eternally grateful to all the soldiers that are fighting for my freedom. I do feel that it would be more appropriate to lower flags one day a month for all the fallen heros. The students at VT were taken unaware. Soldiers join the military voluntarily and know they will probably have to go to fight, though I’m sure they don’t plan on dying. Those students had no idea what was going to happen when they got up to go to class that morning. Maybe there should be a flag day every month to show our support and gratitude.
Posted by: Laura | April 26, 2007, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
To honor the Veterans, of all services, of all States, of all that America has asked and will ask us to do, I suggest moving Election Day to Veterans Day. Make it a Federal Holiday on those Election days (every other year) to lower the cost to business. That should be reason and reminder enough to get people out to Vote, the ultimate reason we do what we do – to keep that peoples’ right to vote a freedom and a right, and to keep it so.
Posted by: Arnal | April 26, 2007, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Those of us called to the profession of arms fully realize the sacrifice we may make. That we can be taken for granted goes with the territory. The students made no such commitment. The military is honored on Memorial Day and Veterans Day, every year. Honoring those lost at Virginia Tech was appropriate. It was a national tragedy. Every lost life is precious; each can be honored in its own way.
Posted by: LTC in DC | April 26, 2007, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Flags at half mast, as with every generality, lose their impact.
Every day, every single casualty of this specious invasion-occupation-war should be commemorated on the news with face, life story, etc., be it American, Iraqi or whoever (casualty being death, maiming, all injury including psychological). This is a needless sacrifice of from all sides! Each and every injury is like a stone thrown into a pond with the ripples flowing outward into the world . . . We can’t afford to consider it (talk about it on the news) so impersonally. Please, media, use your influence to help make it stop. I know you can figure it out.
Posted by: Jusy | April 26, 2007, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
There are certain prescribed rules regarding use of the United States Flag. Respectful display of the Flag by we civilians is a very serious matter.
The American Legion has the Flag Code, Title 4, United States Code, Chapter 1, published on their website
Regarding the Flag at half staff – see section 7m.
Posted by: Rowland | April 26, 2007, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Our flag in the rose bed was lowered to half staff when the first soldier was killed in Iraq. It will remain so until the last soldier is home from that war.
Posted by: Helene | April 26, 2007, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
If the flag is only to be lowered for the death of public officials and people criticize the lowering of the flag for the VT students to “score points” against the administration. Then wouldn’t it be fair to say the the administration lowered the flag for the students to also “score point”?
Posted by: Lousetta | April 26, 2007, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Not only should our flags be at half-mast during this illegal war, but they should be flown upside down. If this country isn’t in distress, I’ll eat my flag!
Posted by: SHR | April 27, 2007, 12:28 am 12:28 am
No one can argue that what happened at VT was a shocking tragedy. Or that every life lost in Iraq and Afghanistan is a tragedy. Arguing about whether or not to fly the flag at half mast and for whom is a waste of time. No one should be offended that the victims of VT are honored and memorialized by their family and friends – indeed the entire nation – would you expect any less if it were your child/parent/spouse? And no one can argue that the military personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice for this country have often not had the recognition and honor that they so deserve.
What we should be concentrating on is the fact that our President sees fit to tell the nation that we would be letting down the soldiers in Iraq if we establish a time table for withdrawal of our troops and that such a timetable would constitute a “loss” of the war.
I’ve got news for Mr. Bush: it is not our war to lose. We don’t belong there. They do not want us there. Our presence there is causing major problems for their people. They had nothing to do with the 911 attacks.
I resent the President telling me how our troops feel. He has no children serving in the military. He has not endured the sleepless nights that a parent of a soldier suffers. My son is an infantryman in the US army. He’s been there. He has to go back. He does not want to. Like many other soldiers who’ve been there, he knows that it is indeed, at this point, a sectarian war – a civil war, not our war. My son feels that Mr. Bush should “pull his head out of his ass”. Many of his comrades feel the same way.
We all know that if there were no oil in that region, we would never have bothered with it. Otherwise, why are we concentrating so much time and resources in Iraq when the real threat to our country lies in Afghanistan?
As an American I am tired of being blamed by the government and the media for our country’s dependence on oil. I AM NOT DEPENDENT ON OIL. I AM DEPENDENT ON MY CAR. I could care less what it uses to make it go. If you want to blame someone for the current predicament, then blame the government and the big oil companies, who over the last 3 decades have crushed any efforts to overcome our dependence on oil. I do not resent any business that makes a profit, but for the oil industry to post RECORD profits on the backs of the American public is vile and disgusting.
Let’s get our troops out of Iraq. They need to be doing what they are paid to do: protect our country and our freedom. Not our claim on foreign oil.
Posted by: Terry W. | April 27, 2007, 1:20 am 1:20 am
I held off posting this in respect for the families of the victims at VT. The loss of anyone in a family is a very personal thing and should be respected regardless of how the loss occurred.
However it is interesting to note that the average age of the VT 29 victims I found listed was ~ 27.
The average age counting back from April 16 for the last 29 US casualties in Iraq was ~ 24.
The Nation as a whole needs to consider the loss of anyone of our youngest and our best at a University or on the battle field as a serious issue.
Multiple redeploys of the same folks are increasing the pain and suffering for a small segment of our population in the same age ranges that was impacted by both events, a crazed man who took other lives for his own insane reason, or a whole society of crazed men who are taking other lives for whatever reason on our foreign battle fields.
We need to have a National discussion of how we as a Nation intend to deal with what this current generation of young as well as some older Americans (and others) are suffering.
Also the murder rates in our cities are reaching low grade combat levels in some cities.
Clearly we need to collectively consider our situation.
Posted by: Larry Rowe | April 27, 2007, 1:37 am 1:37 am
I have thought for a long time that our flags should be lowered to half staff every Memorial Day as long as we have so many young men and women dying in our current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems appropriate to me that they be honored in this way as this country and its people need a way to nationally recognize their sacrifice. I think the President of the United States should take this opportunity to stand in front of the lowered flag at Arlington and say a personal thank you to the fallen and ask for a moment of silence from all Americans in order that we all remember that the sacrifice goes on just as Lincoln did at Gettysburg.
Posted by: Louise | April 27, 2007, 1:38 am 1:38 am
I totally agree that all flags should be flown at half-staff until our soldiers are home. We need a daily reminder that our treasured young people are daily sacrificing their life and limbs for an illegal war being controled by politicians who only have a handful of their own children in the service.
The incident at VT was tragic. We do not send our children off to college and expect them to have to face such things.
However….we do expect that our young men and women who “volunteer” for service be trained and fully equipped with a military medical support structure that is prepared to take care of them physically and mentally when they do come home.
We should also see the flag draped coffins being unloaded from planes at Dover.
Posted by: Judy | April 27, 2007, 7:39 am 7:39 am
I have thought this for the longest time. Our flag should have been lowered to half staff from the 1st soldiers who has risked their lives until the day that the rest of our military returns home. Every day we mourn for someone. Not only for the ones who have died but for the ones who are still there.
Posted by: Giustina | April 27, 2007, 8:09 am 8:09 am
The war in Iraq is not the ‘War for Revenge for 911′. It is not the ‘War For Our Claim on the Middle East’s Oil’. It’s the “War on Terror”, or in particular, ‘The War on Terrorists’. Why the terrorists in Iraq? Because they’re the craziest, most dangerous terrorists at this point it in time. Why are they the most dangerous? Because of the oil. (It could have been gold, diamonds, uranium, whatever). Vast quantities of oil – which can be readily converted into vast quantities of cash. Cash for secrets. Cash for black market high tech weapon technology. Big time weapons. Long range, high yield intercontinental ballistic weapons… Targeted by financially liquid billionaire, backward pseudo-religious wacko, bloodthirsty 3rd world terrorists who don’t use toilet tissue… and aimed at the local mall… where the Flag is flying at half mast.
Posted by: Don | April 27, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am
When you are in a combat unit on foreign soil, lowering the flag to half-mast could be akin to surrendering. Maybe this could be done here at home, but it really doesn’t make any sense from a military point-of-view. Unfortunately, even here at home lowering the flag just doesn’t make any sense for the duration of a conflict. There are time honored traditions for honoring our fallen that we should follow.
Posted by: Dave | April 27, 2007, 10:11 am 10:11 am
ok first of all I don’t even know why these two situations are being at all compared. The people in Iraq sign up to be in the military knowing the risks of doing so. The students at Virginia Tech don’t go to this school expecting to be shot and killed. It’s not a question asked on the admissions application, “do you understand that if you come her you are at risk of being shot at any time?” No, absolutely not. If people want to complain about the flags not being half-staff for soldiers who die fine, but don’t use the slaughter of innocent people to do so.
Posted by: Morgan | April 27, 2007, 11:12 am 11:12 am
My son Lcpl Jason Burnett, USMC lost his life proudly serving our country in Iraq May 2006.
Yes, the incident at Virgina Tech was absolutely horrible and I know the pain those families are feeling. My heart goes out to each and every one of them.
This issue is not just about the coverage of the Virginia Tech tragedy or whether the flag should be flown at half staff. It is about how our military heros have been forgotten and overlooked. Just about everyday day a service man or woman has given their life for our country. Many days it is several. Regardless of how a person may feel about the war or our President, the fact is these HEROS ARE PROUDLY SERVING OUR COUNTRY. Does anyone pay attention or care anymore? Does the media show their pictures or even announce their names? A few days ago nine lives were taken by a suicide bomber and that was not the lead story on the nightly news. Do we hear about the wounded whose lives will never be the same? The The Virginia Tech gunman received more attention than our military. Even Rosie O’Donnell and Trump receive more coverage than our military. How can we overlook and forget these sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, husbands and wives?
This past year has been absolutely umbearable, and I don’t know how we have survived it. But I do know that I will never forget the sacrifice my son made, I will not let him be forgotten or overlooked. I will never forget the sacrifices of the other members of the military that also gave their lives for our country. I will never stop praying for those members of the service who have and continue to serve our country.
I was pleased last night when I heard ABC Nightly News read some of the postings they had received regarding this issue. Maybe this will help open some eyes and ears.
May God Bless America. But let’s hope HE helps us get our priorities in order.
Posted by: Shelley | April 27, 2007, 11:18 am 11:18 am
I think more notice should be paid to each of our soldiers, sailors and marines who are dying in Iraq and Afganistan each and every day. They are heros, each and every one. More of their stories should be told. As a spouse who has said goodbye to her soldier time and again as he went off to war in Iraq, I know the pain and pride of having someone “over there”. For me, just seeing neighbors and businesses fly their flags is a show of support for our service members and families. Let’s see more red, white and blue flying proudly.
Posted by: Carolyn | April 27, 2007, 11:24 am 11:24 am
In Michigan, as for Maine as said above, the flag is lowered throughout the state whenever a Michigan servicemember is killed in Iraq. However, that has diminished the significance. Sometimes there is more than one service-member killed—does it honor the individual or is each just lumped together like a mass grave?
Also, other people have died at the same time. How could we lower the flag when it was already lowered? How is anyone honored or our mourning distinguished?
While the lowered flag certainly reminds us of a death, it does not always honor the individual who was lost.
Yet another question remains—why are we not lowering the flag for the service member lost in a training accident in the US or aboard ship? What are we really saying when we lower the flag for someone only if they die in a combat zone (not even knowing if it was a combat death)?
More and more it seems to be a statement against the war using the dead soldier/airman/Marine/sailor as the token.
Posted by: Richard Bauer | April 27, 2007, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
I find it exceedingly troublesome that many citizens of my nation have no clue as to why and when the US flag is lowered to half staff in rememberance of the dead…If a tragedy occurs unexpectly and many citizens die (as in 9/11/2001 and the VT shootings) the country is shocked and mourns. The flag can be lowered (and usually is to show solidarity with the families of the victims….’note the word victims’) Our nation Honors and Thanks the Veterans of our nation (those alive and dead) on two days a year….Veterans Day, and Memorial Day….The lowering of our Flag to half mast honors them on those days….as for any other day that the flag is lowered it would be for an unexpected tragedy or the death of a government official (ie Reagan’s funeral)…I am not callous and Deeply Honor and Thank those who have lost a loved one in the Iraq and/or Afganistan Battle Fields….My family has a great and long tradition of serving this nation going back to my great great grandfather, and culminating in the service of two of my brothers currently serving today in the military….I do not want anyone to think I do not have compassion for those who have lost someone to the war, but I am deeply grieved that people have no clue as to the protocols involved in our nation, and its flag and military. Our schools have done a disservice to our nation’s youth by not teaching the civics that I was taught as a child in school…People today have no idea as to what civic responsibility is, in regards to knowing and understanding the Constitution and the Rights it Protects for them, as well as the intentions, and genius of our Founding Fathers with the words they wrote to guarantee those rights to every american citizen, and the sacrafice of those who volunteer to serve and protect those rights for every american, even to the point of losing their lives in that service for us….I thank and ask God to Bless all those who have died, or been wounded in the service of this nation and protection of me and mine…I ask God to Bless their families, and friends, and to give them Peace, Comfort, and Grace in the time of their need….Thank you all, and May the Blessings of God be upon you.
Posted by: Charles Brown | April 27, 2007, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
It would b appropriate if that the news networks spend the time and effort, set up camp in Iraq. For every U.S soldier killed and every Iraqi civilian killed, show the images of their body, stories of their lives, people that mourn for them, their parents, their children…. I think the TV should b filled with these images all the time, like after the VT shootings. Maybe if we flood our news with the lives lost in Iraq, this war would end real quick.
Posted by: Q. Chen | April 27, 2007, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Simply because we have never lowered our country’s flag to honor our dying military does not mean that it is “correct”…politically or otherwise…Politics have nothing to do with honoring our military when they give their lives for our Freedoms..especially the one that allows us to “debate” the wars they fight in and indeed for ALL our freedoms. I believe our country’s residents have begun to take all our Freedoms for granted. They ARE NOT A GIVEN and the cost is incalculable.
Personally I agree with the suggestion to fly our flag at half-staff the last day of the month for all military men and women who have lost their lives that month…war or no war.
What a patriotic gesture this is and it is way overdue!
Posted by: Terri Kaleta | April 27, 2007, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Dear Charlie,
Regarding the subject of the flags at half staff:
Perhaps it would be best if the White House and all military bases had two flags. One flown at full staff (normal) and one at half staff until the war is over. For civilians, perhaps it would be best to keep that as a personal preference, especially for the families who have lost a
loved one in the war.
Juanita
Posted by: Juanita Wygle | April 27, 2007, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
“Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!”
Honor our fallen brothers and sisters in any way you see fit, personally or collectively, but fly her at full mast so the whole world can see from where so proudly they hailed.
Posted by: MAJ Bill Kirsch (ret)OIF1 | April 28, 2007, 9:12 am 9:12 am
NO SOLDIER EVER WENT INTO BATTLE UNDER A FLAG AT HALF STAFF. EVER.
DURING TIMES OF WAR, OUR FLAG SHOULD NEVER BE LOWERED!
FOR ANY REASON!
EVER!
Posted by: Rowland | April 28, 2007, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
I do feel as some do, that if you don’t have a family member or someone you know in this UNGODLY battle- you become immune to their loss of life. You think because they are volunteers, their families should not be shocked when their son,father,brother,husband dies: Iraq is unlike any other battle and has become this generation’s Viet Nam in some manner.
Va. Tech was a terrible massacre. But we have over 20,000 wounded warriors who need help; over 3,000 men and women warriors have died and dying as I type. Has it been worth this committment???
Please, if you have compassion for the soldiers, help them in some manner of support. Which is I what I have done;i.e. send care pkgs., send a letter, card or join a support group to show you care. My husband and I live on fixed income and it isn’t easy but we do all that we can for them.
Posted by: Joyce | April 28, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Zanesville Campus Library on the campuses of Ohio University Zanesville and Zane State College believe that we should be honoring our fallen soldiers. For the past three years the library has sponsored and library student workers have volunteered to maintain an “Honor Ohio’s Fallen” memorial in the lobby of the library. The Dean of Ohio University Zanesville has purchased a traveling display so that we can lend our memorial to others in our area.On May 30 at 12N we will be holding our second Memorial Day service to honor Ohio’s fallen heroes. You are invited to attend. You can see pictures ofthe memorial on our Flickr site. See the last two photos on the site. http://www.flickr.com/photos/zanesvillecampuslibrary/
Posted by: S. Fair | April 30, 2007, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
From the desk of Dr.Sidney Okolo…
How many people do we need to sacrifice to worth going to Iraq? How many soldiers need to die to realize that the current strategy is not working? Finally, what will it take to see a solution to this problem? The answer lies in one word: Islam! Once the beliefs, culture, and sects are understood, the problem is half solved. The other half will be diplomacy. In as much as this may sound ridiculous, it is just the truth if one wants to be honest about the intentions and outcome of this war. This war is eating into the fabric of our being. Let’s stop politics and face the truth. May God bless America.
Dr. Sidney Okolo.
Posted by: Dr. Sidney Okolo | July 7, 2007, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Election 2008
For Senator McCain to say that the surge is working in Iraq will just be platitude as he addressed Senator Obama’s “Message of Hope”. Iraq has been kept in life support by the United States military, the so called “surge”. Once the military leaves the insurgent will run over the United States’ installed government, get rid of the individuals involved, and consolidate the Iraqi federation. It does not need a scientist to know that, but what need to be learned are the Islamic culture, beliefs, and behavior. It seems that no one has addressed that issue. Iraq is not just any other country, it is an Islamic country. It seems that Obama understood that right from the start and that reflected in his vote against the war. He was right on the first day.
What will United States do? Stay in Iraq for 100 years as McCain has proposed? It may be easier for McCain to name Iraq the 51st State and then waste United States’ money and lives. Playing politics to gain the support of conservatives or to appease the Republican Party is again just being platitude. What does McCain stands for? Obama was correct; the wheels of the free express came off on the campaign trail.
Let our soldiers go and bring home our soldiers.
Posted by: Dr. Sidney Okolo | February 17, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm