FBI on the Lookout for Phony Heroes This Memorial Day Weekend
FBI agents and veterans will be on the lookout this Memorial Day weekend for phony military heroes, a disquieting trend that officials say has grown substantially in the years of the war with Iraq. "I probably get three to five calls a day about someone spotted with suspicious decorations," said Doug Sterner, who passes along the tips to veterans groups and the FBI. Sterner operates the Web site Home of Heroes, which is dedicated to honoring true military heroes. Photos: Phony Military Heroes: Medals of Dishonor "I’ll be damned if I sit idly by while some wannabe phony wears awards that real heroes gave their lives for," Sterner said. Among the most recent examples is Louis Lowell McGuinn of New York City. He claimed to be a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army, often appearing at military events wearing an impressive array of decorations, including a Purple Heart, Silver Star and the Distinguished Service Cross. But law enforcement officials say it was a ruse and that McGuinn was discharged from the Army in 1968 as a private, with none of the decorations he claimed. Last month, FBI agents arrested McGuinn and charged him with wearing unearned medals and badges in violation of federal law. They say he posed as a highly decorated military officer in order to get a job with an underwater marine security company. McGuinn pleaded not guilty and was released on $5,000 bail with his travel restricted. When contacted by ABC News, he declined to comment on the case. The FBI and veterans groups say there are more and more decorated phonies turning up every day, and when they are caught, the punishment varies. In one recent case in St. Louis, businessman Gerald Weilbacher received only two years probation and a $3,000 fine after pleading guilty to federal charges of wearing Marine Corps medals he did not earn, including the Navy Cross, the Corps’ second highest medal. The 400-pound Weilbacher never served in the Marines and was spotted at one Marine Corps veterans event as a phony because "he was too fat to be a Marine," according to one veteran. In contrast, Michael Bramlett of Springfield, Mo., was sentenced to six months in federal prison without parole for claiming to be a Marine Captain and wearing unauthorized medals that included a Silver Star, Navy Cross and a Purple Heart for combat in Iraq. At his sentencing on April 3, U.S. Attorney Bradley Schlozman said, "This impostor received the maximum penalty for his dishonorable conduct. Such disrespect for the brave men and women serving in our nation’s forces won’t be tolerated." FBI Agent Michael Sandborn works to track down and expose phony military heroes. "In cemeteries overseas, there are 124,913 Americans who paid for their Purple Hearts with their lives, and these impostors purchase theirs over the Internet and at surplus stores," he told ABC News. Recent passage of the Stolen Valor Act now makes any misrepresentation of military decorations punishable by up to a year in jail. Watchdogs like Doug Sterner think that even with the tougher law, military phonies will still be out there tarnishing the image of the true military heroes. Sterner says, "It’s so prevalent that you’re never going to catch and prosecute all of them." Do you have a tip for Brian Ross & the Investigative Team?
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I hope this guy catches all of these imposters and they get the fullest sentence. Hell, if it were my choice, I would give them life in prison or the death penalty; no sense in wasting more taxpayers dollars.
Posted by: NJ | May 25, 2007, 11:32 am 11:32 am
What a stupid law! This just shows that we have far too many laws in the States… at this rate EVERY BODY IS A CRIMINAL… or soon will be. If some fat old man wants to feel better about his pathetic life by spouting off about being a hero, let him – and get over it!
Posted by: Tim | May 25, 2007, 11:32 am 11:32 am
The LIFE IN PRISON or the DEATH PENALTY, NJ?! lol And do you KNOW how much taxpayer money it takes to sustain a prisoner in the system for life? It costs even more than that to keep them on death row…
Get a grip, man…
Posted by: Jazz | May 25, 2007, 11:40 am 11:40 am
The LIFE IN PRISON or the DEATH PENALTY, NJ?! lol And do you KNOW how much taxpayer money it takes to sustain a prisoner in the system for life? It costs even more than that to keep them on death row…
Get a grip, man…
Posted by: Jazz | May 25, 2007, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Death Penalty? Are you serious? You must be from Texas. It is a stupid law. I don’t agree with what they’re doing but shouldn’t our FBI agents be working on stuff that is a little more important?
Posted by: Maximus | May 25, 2007, 11:44 am 11:44 am
i dont feel it’s a stupid law. The heroes that died, suffered, fought, and lived the true veteran’s life should not be disrespected in this way. There is enough other bullcrap catering to criminals these days, why add another benefit for them?
Posted by: NJ | May 25, 2007, 11:44 am 11:44 am
These guys are pathetic. Just that. Sad; but not criminals.
Posted by: halexander | May 25, 2007, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Impersinating a hero? hope they start with the white house, and then the senate, congress etc. These Zeros think they are heros. I must say the ignorance in the government is incredible! Drug test these fools would be a giood idea too! including the DC Police.
Posted by: JB | May 25, 2007, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Start with Chicken Hawk GW, the biggest zero that thinks he is a hero!
Posted by: JB | May 25, 2007, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I have a better idea. Take these worthless individuals to Parris Island and have them spend 4 months going through Boot Camp. If they want to wear a Marines uniform. give them the chance or send them to jail.
Posted by: mike jones | May 25, 2007, 11:52 am 11:52 am
I’ve earned a few of those striped things, but won’t wear them.
I’m a VietNam vet, our time is passed. We are irrelevant, like WWI vets were in my youth.
Time now to honor our young soldiers, sailors, airmen. Yes, I honor and respect all those who have given their life, I honor and respect all those who have earned our highest awards and decorations.
MOST of us vets just did what we were told, went where they wanted us to go, and tried to make it home.
I’m a vet, you can’t ever claim I’m not. I claim nothing more.
Posted by: Eoghan | May 25, 2007, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Ask the men and women of our country who served if the law is STUPID? I served in the US Navy for 8 years. I’m proud of my service and it is dishearting to see these people who’ve never served or never earned these awards say they did. A strong message should be sent to these impostors. I know. Make these impostors elist, go to boot camp and instead of going to jail learn what it’s really like to earn those medals, ribbons, and stripes on their uniforms by serving our country just like the men and women before them.
Posted by: Scott Huffman | May 25, 2007, 11:53 am 11:53 am
What a disgrace! My son is a marine who has just returned from Iraq and is scheduled to return there shortly. The fact that you have people posing as war hero’s when the real hero’s are fighting and dying everyday in a war no one wants is disgusting. Maybe we should send them to some war torn area and see if they can earn those medals
Posted by: Joe T | May 25, 2007, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Sorry, I was referring to the death penalty above abotu saving tax payers money. a 1.00 bullet is all that is needed :O)
Posted by: NJ | May 25, 2007, 11:57 am 11:57 am
I feel embarrassed for them. They obviously have some sort of strange fixation for getting credit for something they have not attained. I totally understand being punished for that.
Posted by: Pam | May 25, 2007, 11:58 am 11:58 am
In no way and in no uncertain terms is it EVER acceptable to pass oneself off as decorated soldier or veteran. After viewing Tim’s comments, I think Tim and people like him need to asses their own personal integrity before commenting. Medals earned by soldiers and veterans through sheer bravery, valor, honor and blood should never be allowed to be devalued by frauds and charlatans for the sake of their own personal satisfaction and public adoration. Too often these days are we ready to sacrifice our own honesty, integrity and morality so as to “let little things pass”. Draw the line.
Posted by: Chris | May 25, 2007, 11:59 am 11:59 am
NJ..life in prison or the death penalty? The guys who do this need medical help and intense therapy. Can you imagine how much of a failure these guys must be? These tools couldn’t get a date with a prostitute even after winning the lottery, but life in prison or the death penalty? Perhaps NJ you need some anger management therapy. Peace to all.
Posted by: Mark Willmott | May 25, 2007, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
This is about more than the pins people stick on their uniforms. It’s about the deeds behind them, and the respect people accord them with a result. The thought that these frauds would require the salutes of brave men and women who have made real sacrifices is completely disgusting. Shame on them.
Posted by: Alexander | May 25, 2007, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
I’m a vet and I just feel sorry for these poor slobs. I think their punisment should be to work at Walter Reed or Bethesda cleaning the bed pans of real heros.
Posted by: Darryll | May 25, 2007, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Mark, No I am perfectly fine, thanks for asking. If you open your eyes and look around, you see these types of people and others getting slaps on the wrist. It’s everywhere and down right sickening. I’m sure there will be plea bargins here and there for these folks, but that’s how society is these days. Too much leniancy and not enough guts.there is so much more crime these days in the US because of lack of intimidation. steal something, lose a hand. murder or rape, lose your life. could be deemed somewhat barbariac, but it would give criminals something a little more to fear.
Posted by: NJ | May 25, 2007, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Well, there are laws say that a person can’t impersonate a police officer, so it should be the same regarding military personnel. It’s one thing to dress up for Halloween, it’s another to dress up and trick people to think you’re an actual military person. So, I say they’re doing the right thing to stop these phonies.
Posted by: Jupmod | May 25, 2007, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
mark, I am fine, thanks for asking :)
just M.O. here, but laws are too leniant these days. crimes are rising, jails getting overfilled, more taxpayers money wasted on these scumbags. maybe the laws should be more intimidating and carry more fear. Like if you murder or rape, you lose your life; you steal you lose a hand. Could be deemed somewhat barbariac, but it could also make a person think twice before he/she commits a crime. to a criminal, there should be no such thing as cruel and unusual punishment. take that loser who beat up the 70 year old vet just because. let that POS get placed in a room with one of the family members of the vet with a hand axe. he already doesnt deserve to live anyways(offtopic)
Posted by: NJ | May 25, 2007, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Proposed: NEW PROGRAM FOR FAKE HERO/HERO WANNABEES
Each imposter should be arrested by the FBI. Then provide them with a current Battle Dress Uniform, give them a BB gun, a copy of ARABIC MADE EASY, a 1 year supply of MREs,a pair of Groucho glasses with nose, then fly them to Iraq and drop them off alone to guard a street corner … a minimum of 25 miles from the nearest US Military operations area. If they survive a year on their own, great! If they do, then they might get a “I survived” medal to brag about. If not, oh well…
Posted by: Paul | May 25, 2007, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Paul, that made me LOL..good idea too. I’d vote for it :)
Posted by: NJ | May 25, 2007, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
NJ: Wouldn’t being more strict just make jails fill even faster? Maybe we should just do what you’re suggesting. There are plenty of great models for your justice system in the Middle East. We could just copy Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or Afphganistan before the Taliban fell. Those are all excellent models to choose from. I’m not saying these guys shouldn’t go to jail, but to say someone should have their hand chopped off is outrageous. I hope you have never committed any sort of crime in your life or made a bad decision.
Posted by: Heath | May 25, 2007, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Heath:
An alternative as stated above a few times would be to ship criminals off overseas to do very hard labor, that way they aren’t in jail sitting there.For example, send them to Africa or some place to help build homes and water, sewerage systems; work that is extremely hard labor but also has positive outcomes.
Posted by: NJ | May 25, 2007, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
The wearing of Military honors by those not entitled to them is despicable and wrong, and should be punished to the highest degree available to law enforcement. This behavior is an affront to the men and women who served their country and EARNED those awards. I have dressed at halloween as an airmen, but have taken great pains to never display medals or ribbons, and have always made sure that while the costume was fairly authentic, I DID NOT, even on that day claim to really be a colonel or major, etc. Moreover, it was not done to defraud people and to gain jobs, benefits, or money from the recognition, but to honor the armed forces in special Halloween service persons events. Impersonating an officer is especially defrauding when the person is an ex-military individual and knows quite well the military code of conduct and regulations on insignia.
And for Eoghan, I am especially saddened to hear that you consider yourself ‘irrelevant’, since that is wholly untrue. This weekend, especially, your sacrifice and those of your comrades back to the Revolutionary War needs to be remembered vividly and clearly, since it is a reflection of the cost of freedom. Jefferson said “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Blood of Patriots and tyrants”, we shall dismiss the tyrants and utterly forget them, but I will grieve the Patriots, and the cost exacted from each and every one and mourn the payments we have made.
Posted by: Shawn | May 25, 2007, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
For those who take this too lightly: I guess I should lie about my military honors and ranking, just so I can get a better job, privileged benefits, and the like over ‘non-military participated’ folk. In addition, I guess it’s ok for me to lie to the younger, gullible youth about what I did as a war hero, going against what true history states. I guess you boneheads would lie about your high GPA and making Magna Cum Lada, being CFO of some big-time bank industry, yada yada yada. There are just some people in this world who are as ignorant as those lousy wannabe singers on American Idol and yet, they buy into your pack of lies.
Posted by: The Real Ben | May 25, 2007, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
I understand that this is wrong, but doesn’t the FBI have better things to do than chase imposters? A waste of Taxpayers monies….
Posted by: quilts2love | May 25, 2007, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
We earned the metals that we were AWARDED. Any one who want to wear them can certainly apply to the service of your choice and see if you can fullfill all the entrance requirements. Then if they have the cahones to be able to survive and take orders without question and serve and maybe even die for our Wonderful Country, they too can wear those ribbons awarded to them. Until then, the COWARDS should be tried convicted and allowed to meet the United States Marines that Control Levenworth! Then we will see what kind of metal they are made of.
Posted by: John Adams Ret USAF | May 25, 2007, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Question for you NJ, did you ever serve or are you making rants on stuff that doesn’t concern you? If it’s the latter then you are just as big of a posser as these guys.
Posted by: Maximus | May 25, 2007, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Don’t let yourselves be fooled into calling these imposters “poor slobs” or think that they only have a “fixation” on receiving accolades for things they did not do. They do this for the perks.
Have you ever seen a stranger anonymously pick up a restaurant tab for a soldier in uniform? I have…it was heart-warming. I happened to be dining with that soldier. He returned from the restroom and became embarrassed when I told him what had happened. He said he didn’t deserve that because he had not yet served in Iraq or any other battle field. I told him that he deserved it for being in uniform and willing to go when his time did come up. This is just one example of the kindness that some civilians offer to soldiers.
These imposters are in this game for the perks. That is called “gain by defrauding” and it is a felony offense. Since they are defrauding by using government materials, it becomes a federal offense. They deserve any jail-time or penalty that any other fraudulent criminal receives.
Posted by: ARSailorMom | May 25, 2007, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
There are far too many Americans being criminalized by absurd laws which will ruin their lives forever, because now they are unemployable convicted felons, and have an arrest record. The silly USA military medals are not even made of precious metals such as silver and gold, and the USA need to stop giving out “Junk metal,” medals to our brave USA soldiers. If somebody wants to pretend that they have been in the Army, “So what,” it should be a compliment, considering how many young Americans have gotten killed in four un-declared wars, Korean War, Vietnam War, 1st Gulf War,(125,000) and now the barbaric current Iraqi war which has seen 4,000 USA soldiers killed, and at least 25 American soldiers have been tortured, casterated, burned, and then slowly beheaded with a dull, rusty knife. So the FBI should spend their time investigating Hallibruton’s sinful practices, instead of arresting harmless American citizens who love the military. Hell let’s stop having all the big Halloween parties if it’s against the law to pretend to be somebody that you are not!
Posted by: RedMoons | May 25, 2007, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
I am a civilian, working for the military, and believe it is a disgrace when an undeserved person wears the uniform or medals. However shameful it is, the only crime should be if they use it for personal or financial gain. If they are delusional they need mental help, not jail time.
Posted by: technopeasant | May 25, 2007, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
SILLY USA MILITARY MEDALS!?!?
RedMoons….you are beyond words. At least beyond words permitted in this blog. You don’t deserve the freedoms those “silly medals” have given you. You are a ….oh….I just can’t say it because I’ll get reported.
Posted by: ARSailorMom | May 25, 2007, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
They say that imitation is the greatest form of flattery. I have a friend that always wishes he had become a Marine. I was a Marine for 8 years. He walks around and does the ooh-rah stuff and talks about “his beloved Marine Corps”. Part of me is flattered because I know he admires me, but then another part of me is sad that he tries to grasp onto something he is not. He is not however a criminal.
I may be an only child, but I have millions of brothers and sisters. I live close to Arlington and amongst the rows of white stones, I see parent’s, spouses and comrades mourning heroes who no longer have a voice. These people however have us to protect their legacy and honor their sacrifice.
Being an admiring, misguided and delusional soul is not a crime. Stealing an award and a hallowed honor is a crime.
Posted by: Marine1 | May 25, 2007, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
technopeasant….please read my post that went up just prior to the idiot’s that called them silly medals. Most of the people that do this are in it for gain and profit. I will agree with you that if they don’t quite have a full basket, then they need help, not jail time.
Posted by: ARSailorMom | May 25, 2007, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
These individuals who claim to be military heroes when they not apparently crave the attention and limelight to fill up their sad and pathetic lives. I feel this is a disgrace to those in our armed forces who gave their all in the defense of this great country including their very lives. To me the sentences they have received for this outrageous afront to the true military heroes has not been adequate enough. I am glad our FBI and any other law enfocement involved in these apprehensions of these individuals continue for as long as it takes.
GOD BLESS THE MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR ARMED FORCES EVERYWHERE!
Posted by: Rose of Texas | May 25, 2007, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
I spent twelve years active duty and fourteen yeras in the reserves and I am humbled by the sacrifices these young men and women make every day.
These imposters don’t need jail time. They need to be publicaly shamed in front of their families, parents, friends and co-workers.
I think anyone who has put on a military uniform… been scared, alone, hurt, captured… would never want to wish pain on a fellow American for dreaming about being “a hero”. Didn’t we serve so that others could enjoy these eccentricities? If not, what did we fight for in the first place?
Posted by: Turk | May 25, 2007, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
One other comment. When you see any serviceman or woman, especially if they appear to be very young, please make sure they don’t happen to be wearing an JROTC uniform. They are the same dress uniforms the servicemen/women wear and the medals and ribbons those kids earn are quite impressive.
My son just finished 4 years of NJROTC. He was on his way to a community-service project, in full dress blues. The 5 rows of ribbons and the medals he earned filled up most of his jacket breast. We had to make a stop at a store and he became quite embarrassed when a WWII vet commented that he didn’t earn that many medals during the war. My son was very quick to tell him that they were ROTC medals and said they didn’t hold near the importance that service medals hold. Although he was proud to wear his NJROTC uniform, he was bashful regarding the attention his ribbons drew.
So…just as a precaution, check to see if there is an ROTC patch on the sleeve.
Posted by: ARSailorMom | May 25, 2007, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Pathetic creatures? Having dealt with far too many such cases, I can tell you all too often the “impersonation” goes far beyond an into more serious crime. Like the fake SEAL in Florida who swindled a widow out of more than $40,000, or the girl in North Carolina who used her own false claims of serving in the Air Force while pursuing her education who obtained more tha $40,000 in waived fees and tuitions in “honor of her service.”
One of the phonies who was to have been arrested last week in Arvada, Colorado, was a man who phonied up discharge papers and a Navy Cross citation to portray himself as a World War II hero. He will escape prosecution under the “Stolen Valor Act”, for just weeks before the FBI moved in to contact him on his charade, Raymond Sawyer confessed to murdering his first wife 26 years ago.
Far too much of this is a cover for, or excuse for, much more serious criminal activity. These are not “poor slobs”, they are CRIMINALS, and I’m glad there is a new law out there to deal with them.
Posted by: Doug Sterner | May 25, 2007, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
I find I must agree with Shawn: Those of us who served in VietNam forty years ago ARE irrelevant to most of those around us. We were reviled rather than honored for our service; coming home was often more traumatic than remaining in-country. However, that is beside the point here. The persons who put on medals and awards that many of my friends died earning are not pathetic losers looking for some recognition; they are not mental cases in need of treatment. They are criminals perpetrating a fraud, and they are doing it for their own gain. From the ones that I have dealt with, and the accounts in Navy Times (and other sources) every one of these bastards is getting material gain from their fraud. If that gain reaches the level where jail time is appropriate, they should go to jail. But, jail or no jail, they should all be loudly and very publicly ridiculed for what they have done. Their phony acts do indeed cheapen the medals worn by people who sacrificed sweat, blood (and more) to actually earn them.
Posted by: Walker Evans | May 25, 2007, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
I am a Vietnam veteran. Served 7 years (reenlisted after 3 years) in the Air Force. I know what I earned and I don’t care what those losers do or what they claim. When I go before god, he will know what I and other veterans did and what honors we deserve. The others will be a might bit warm were they will end up for their lies.
Posted by: D. King | May 25, 2007, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Add W to the list of fake war heros with him in the flight suit in front of a ‘mission accomplished’ sign. He’s the real fakir to go after!
Posted by: Bill Hicks | May 25, 2007, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
I have a hard time finding a problem with prosecuting impostor veterans. It’s against the law to impersonate police or law enforcement agents. It’s even against the law to impersonate the Cable Guy in most states. So, as to whether or not the FBI needs to investigate ‘more important things’ seems moot to me. If it’s a Federal criminal offense it falls under their umbrella, period. I’ll sleep fine tonight, and so should you.
Posted by: hwatney | May 25, 2007, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
First the couple of you who had to bring Bush into this, get over your pathetic, liberal, whiny lives. This has NOTHING to do wiht him.
And for those of you who never served and want to call the medals pathetic, worthless, silly, etc. Get the H*** out of my country. We didn’t put our lives out there to protect the freedom of people who want to spit on us, put us down, or just just not like us.
Don’t bite the hand that feeds (or protects) you.
Posted by: Maverick | May 25, 2007, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
maverick you said it all!!!!
Posted by: us1969vet | May 25, 2007, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
I agree with Mike Jones. Send them to boot camp for a few months! That should do the trick. Or send them to Iraq, pathetic losers!
Posted by: lastchild | May 25, 2007, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
whats the crime? spent many years in the marine corps air wing up to mid 70 s, had a few medals highest a few air medals as huey door gunner. those medals were used in military to exhibit ones history to fellow military not impress civilians. your petty he dont deserve that medal is childish just like his wearing it. he knows he is a poser so what…
Posted by: charles | May 25, 2007, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
I am from a long line of military service. First let me thank all of you who have truly served this great country. I am not in the military but everybody else in my family is… parents, sister, brothers, uncle, cousin.
People dressing up like military heores is a fraud. We do get benefits for the service members’ efforts to protect and defend this country. For an undeserving person to take advantage of that truly disgusts me beyond all belief. These people should be thrown into the battlefield like so many others have said. Service is about so much more than the common civillian can understand. It is about a pride for this country. It is about bravery. It is about serving the public. It is about being part of something so much bigger than ones’ self. It is about HUMILTY. (something that gives away an imposter immediately) All of the service members I know don’t flaunt it, they rarely talk about it with random people. They talk about it with their troops, friends and family. Anything else is pretty much a fraud. Oh, and I think we could all stand to take a page from these vets. Especially the one who said he was from vietnam… HE, ladies and gents, is a true HERO. He showed humilty by simply stating his frame of reference and then saying that today is about the people serving now. All of our vets are important, from any era, and should be shown respect. Hoewever, today’s heros are being made as we speak in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other instillations. this vietnam vet is a heor, HE is my hero, all of our soldiers are. And as for those of you who say its not a big deal, dedicate your life to something and then watch it be disrespected in such a terrible way.
Posted by: AMC | May 25, 2007, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Lets not forget, many if not most medals are B.S. Remember John Kerry. He wrote up his own purple hearts for scratches. He got a bogus Silver Star. When I was in the Navy, I saw people earn Navy Achievment medals for organizing picnics (I’m not kidding). Most medals given these days are given to ass kissers. Even the medal of honor has been abused. Douglas Mcarthur ran away from combat, leaving his men to die, and he got one.
The bigger fraud is the billions of dollars given out by the VA for false PTSD claims. I’d rather have that taken care of than worry about some loser wearing a piece of cloth on his shirt.
Posted by: JosephR | May 25, 2007, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
My medals are somewhere in the attic. Maybe I should frame them one day…on the other hand I don’t really want to look at them everyday either. I don’t feel the need to show off. On the other hand some people are lonely, depressed, or have low self esteem and I guess want to feel needed and important. While I don’t agree with passing yourself off as a veteran or wearing medals you did not earn it or passing yourself off as somebody you are not it doesn’t really bother me. I have more important things going on in life. Even if it did bother me, some of the replys on here such as the death penalty and life imprisionment are ludacris. Just seize the medals and uniforms from the person, have them publicly acknowledge they are not a veteran and didn’t earn such and such medal and get over it. Death penalty, life imprisionment, chopping off hands for something so insignificant…that’s as bad as the Islamic militants we are fighting.
Posted by: STEVEN | May 25, 2007, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
“for those who fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know” Having an imposter getting respect by wearing medals he or she did not earn is a big deal. At the very least these sad individuals should be awarded what they’ve earned “public ridicule”. Shame on them.
Posted by: Bill | May 25, 2007, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
One way to solve this issue is to make it mandatory that any and all imposters who are caught must spend at least 3 years in the military and be sent to where they just might actually earn a medal or two. Even if they are two fat or unfit for duty, they can serve in a military hospital cleaning out bedpans or otherwise caring for those who deserve to be called hero…
Posted by: Keith | May 25, 2007, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
My father is a 21 year veteran of the United States Air Force retiring as a Master Sargent, and this is after serving a tour in Thailand during the Vietnam war. Its appalling these people would impersonate themselves as veterans, these people are not looking to feel better for themselves, they are liars, opportunists, scum. They should be served with hefty fines and community service such as collecting trash on the side of the road. Prison is already overfilled with all the other trash in the world.
Posted by: Laurena | May 25, 2007, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
I like the idea of punishing imposters with required enlistment. They want it, give them a taste! These medals MEAN something–and not just to the soldiers; It means something to their families! Military life is hard work, and these medals are a sign of wonderful and outstanding service! The government is giving physical recognition of a good soldier to themselves, their family, and everyone who looks at them. For someone to falsely adorn any medal takes that away from what the real soldier did.
Posted by: military wife | May 25, 2007, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Having served honorably on active duty in the US Army for 6 1/2 years and having had combat tours in Panama and in the Gulf War, and having earned my fair share of 35 cent ribbons, I know what they are for. Bronze Star, ARCOM, AAM – heck half the folks on active duty can’t recognize most of them, let alone people who have never served. I never did what I did for 35 cent ribbons or bragging rights. I did it because I volunteered to serve my country. These sad wannabees are looking for attention, and while pathetic for never having done what they claimed certainly don’t need jailed. The public humiliation is enough.
Posted by: Alan Baglien | May 25, 2007, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
I HOPE the FBI catches some of these poor excuses…
I read some of the off comments, those are the folks who fail to “comprehend” what honor is.. potential wannabe’s?
Thanks for the article
Wannabe Slayers
http://www.want2be.info
Posted by: Wannab Slayer | May 25, 2007, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
whats the crime? spent many years in the marine corps air wing up to mid 70 s, had a few medals highest a few air medals as huey door gunner. those medals were used in military to exhibit ones history to fellow military not impress civilians. your petty he dont deserve that medal is childish just like his wearing it. he knows he is a poser so what… so you want to enlist these posers in the military? navy? air force? G W BUSH
Posted by: charles | May 25, 2007, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Keith,
I think that is perfect! If someone is caught bogusly representing themselves as a war veteran, require them to go though Basic, AIT, and serve somewhere in combat. I think that the fear of that happening to them, would scare the defication out of those cowards enough, that they would stop committing fraud against the true veterans that deserve our respect.
But yes the life long imprisonment thing wouldn’t work, it would just raise the taxes for the rest of us.
God bless the 1544th Transportation Company, and all of the dedicated individuals who stand up for our wonderful country!
Posted by: Patrick | May 25, 2007, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
whats the crime? spent many years in the marine corps air wing up to mid 70 s, had a few medals highest a few air medals as huey door gunner. those medals were used in military to exhibit ones history to fellow military not impress civilians. your petty he dont deserve that medal is childish just like his wearing it. he knows he is a poser so what… so you want to enlist these posers in the military? navy? air force? G W BUSH is a poser to!!!!!!
Posted by: charles | May 25, 2007, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
On May 16th, 1996 Admiral Jeremy Michael Boorda, CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) committed suicide because he had worn a “V” for Valor on his Vietnam ribbons … that he apparently was not entitled to wear. This act underscores the importance of the issue to all military veterans.
Respectfully, Pete CPL E-4 USMC 1958-62
Posted by: Pete | May 25, 2007, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
There is nothing more lowly than a poser, especially these cowards who want the recognition but not the service time or the sacrifice of really giving up all your tomorrows for other peoples todays.
The service also needs to clean up it’s own act in how it awards medals in the first place. For example, I can tell you about the NCO who decided rolling in barbed wire and cutting himself up was a good way to get a Purple Heart in a combat zone since he wasnt injured any other way. He was right and did end up getting his purple heart during Desert Storm this way.
Im sure more veterans can attest to the strange way the military awards medals.
Posted by: Napolean | May 25, 2007, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
so whats the crime? spent many years in the marine corps air wing up to mid 70 s, had a few medals highest a few air medals as huey door gunner. those medals were used in military to exhibit ones history to fellow military not impress civilians. your petty he dont deserve that medal is childish just like his wearing it. he knows he is a poser so what… so you want to enlist these posers in the military? navy? air force? G W BUSH is a poser to!!!!!!
oorda died 16 May 1996 of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest. He was reported to have been despondent over a news media investigation, led by David H. Hackworth, into Valor device enhancements he wore on his Navy Achievement Medal and a Navy Commendation Medal (small brass Vs, signifying valor in combat), which the media report claimed he was not entitled to wear. Former CNO Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, who was Boorda’s commander in Vietnam, later indicated that Boorda was authorized to wear them.[1]
Boorda also faced unrelenting hostility from a majority of flag and General Naval Officers who believed that Boorda had betrayed the Navy by allying himself with Bush and Clinton administration demands for reform in the wake of the Tailhook scandal. Aviators in particular were incensed[citation needed] by the treatment of Admiral Stan Arthur, whose nomination for the post of Commander in Chief, Pacific, was withdrawn by Boorda at the behest of a single Senator after questions were raised over mishandling of a separate sexual harassment case. [2]
Posted by: charles | May 25, 2007, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
They should be court marshald as if they were really in the miltary, then put in front of a wall with a blindfold.
Posted by: RS | May 25, 2007, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
idiot when and what branch did you serve or are too a poser too?
Posted by: charles | May 25, 2007, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
RedMoons you are a pathetic, yellow bellied, coward looser who doesn’t deserve the freedoms these brave men and women have fought and died for. If you think this country is so bad then why don’t you get the heck out? I’m sure some of your communist friends around the world would be more than happy to take you in. It’s people like you that will destroy our country from within. You sit back and constantly complain bitch and moan about all that is wrong with America, while you enjoy all the things this country has to offer. You and the rest of your gutless liberal friends make me sick.
Posted by: conservitive | May 25, 2007, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
What about that guy that stood on the deck of the aircraft carrier in a flight suit a few years back and declared that the mission was accomplished?
“Book em’ Dano!”
Posted by: Zach | May 25, 2007, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
ummm lets see George Bush lies about his record, and gets to sit in the White House ,these guys lie and some wnat to kill them or send them to jail, ummm yeah that seems fair. The only difference I can see is that ol’ Georgie is rich. Figures.
Posted by: ironeagle | May 25, 2007, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Simple solution…. Draft them and make them earn the medals they are wearing.
Posted by: Lewis | May 25, 2007, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Yes LETS spend more tax dollars on something that has no significance other than emotional. Especially since there are no poor, hungry, undereducated, sick or underpriviliged people left in the world. And, there’s plenty of money in social security and no national defecit. Spend Spend Spend!
Posted by: James | May 25, 2007, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
We can’t control our borders, yet we focus on this?
Posted by: bill | May 25, 2007, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Government-sanctioned murderers (and those complacent in the same) do NOT count as heroes.
These impostors have more right to claim the title than the orignals, law or no law.
Posted by: Fred | May 25, 2007, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
You left wing poor excuse for use of air cry babys want to see what “government sanctioned murder” is – if you got the nuts and guts .. just google “The Marsh Arabs of Iraq”
and here’s a link case your as stupid as you sound and wonder who google killed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2807821.stm
Posted by: Wannabe Slayers | May 25, 2007, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
It’s a waste of time and resources to prosecute these pathetic.
And all you “outraged” and “offended”, grow up. if you think that these idiots in any way diminish a person’s service and sacrifice of our armed forces and veterans, then you need to put your thumb back in your mouth.
They can’t and never will.
A simpler solution is to ban sales of decorations and duplicate medals without documentation such as a notarized letter as a collector, a DD214, or notarized letter of its use be it in theater, costume, re-enactments, replacement, duplication, wear and tear, etc. Pretty simple.
No soldier, sailor, airman, or marines lost his arm or died for a piece of medal or served or was wounded for one. It’ll never be enough.. The men and women, their service and sacrifice are more important than any medal.
Posted by: John | May 26, 2007, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Go after Bush since he was wearing a flight suit next to a sign of ‘mission accomplished’ since it is hard to imagine him as a soldier in any capacity(Poppy Bush would get him a deferrment so that he could hide under a bed in Houston). There are pictures and enough eye-witness testimony to convict and then give him a BB gun, the book ‘Farsi the Fun Way’, a luminous balaclava and send him on a covert night recon mission into Iran!
Posted by: a.copley | May 26, 2007, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Rather than fine or imprison the fake ‘war heros’, they should be forced to enlist in the Army or the Marines. Give them the opportunity to earn their own decorations.
Posted by: AC | May 26, 2007, 3:17 am 3:17 am
My father won a Purple Heart in WWII. He was also a POW at the hands of the Germans. The Purple Heart stayed in a box and my mother has one photo of my dad in uniform wearing it. He didn’t feel the need to parade around in it. To him WWII meant having buddies killed in front of him and physical hardship at the hands of the enemy. He was scarred for life in my ways, as are many soldiers who fight in wars. These fake heroes want all the glory but they have never suffered the pain, have not endured the hardship, and have no rights. It does a great injustice to the soldiers who served. Those who have never been in the military or have not had loved ones in wars probably will never appreciate what these medals mean. So, yes, it does matter if a fake wears them.
Posted by: Proud Daughter | May 26, 2007, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Sorry, no…lets not put them in the military, in any capacity. Today’s (and yesterday’s) armed forces needs people who are trained and dedicated to the mission that they are performing. Besides, that, and the suggestions that they deserve long prison sentences or execution is far too much attention for these pathetic individuals. Let’s revive the stocks, provide rotten tomatoes for passers-by, and subject them to the ridicule that they really deserve.
Posted by: Ret'd Redleg | May 26, 2007, 9:06 am 9:06 am
There will always be liars and cheats in all walks of life, can’t lock them all up or even catch them. Me, as a combat marine nam vet, just focus on my brothers and sisters, revering them in quiet solitude. Semper Fi.
Posted by: Richard Carr | May 26, 2007, 9:40 am 9:40 am
So much for a caring and understanding nation of people we are. Come on…Death Penalty? Life in Prison?
Get Real. These aren’t even “Crimes” that they’re committing. Whos the Victim? Veterans? How are Veterans being victimized by some wannabe wearing a uniform and medals? Do Veterans have such low Self-Esteem, and such a high “External Locus of Control” that they are “Emotionally Devasted & Crushed” by these imposters walkig around out there? If so then maybe the Veterans need to get into Psychological Therapy. Bottom line…There shouldn’t even be a “Law” against this “Abberant Behavior.” It’s not even a crime, and if you want to call it that then it’s a victimless crime. What these people need is professional psychological help. So let’s get them the psychological help they need. That’s what caring, loving, and understanding societies and people do. Emotioanlly immature and ignorant People that have psychological problems themselves are the ones calling for these guys heads, and throwing them in jail.
Posted by: jjarden | May 26, 2007, 10:27 am 10:27 am
I think its funny. Someone referred to these guys as “poor slobs” and thats what they are. I say put their faces on milk cartons or bathroom stalls, telling of there posuer deeds and have them pull 6 month tours of KP at thier nearest military installations.
Posted by: Marc Hillis | May 26, 2007, 10:33 am 10:33 am
It never ceases to amaze me how this society continues to send subliminal messages…….Whenever you see soldiers doing their job on television or in still photo, typically, the white soldiers are up front. Now you have these fake losers here, any there you have it: the phony black soldier up front…..
Posted by: Tony | May 26, 2007, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Let’s not confuse heroism with victimization.
Far too many of our military operations in the 20th and now the 21st century have been unnecessary and certainly not about defending the US from any real impending threat to our way of life or existence as a nation and society.
All of WWII and perhaps Korea were sacrifices that enlisted men and women willingly made to ensure our freedom. Unwilling draftees in these events though proving themselves heroic in the process, were heroic victims. No different than the victims of Katrina or 9/11.
The Spanish American war, Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, Bosnia, Gulf I, and Iraq were all unnecessary military ops for the actual defense of our nation and as such made victims of our troops in order to promote other agendas rather than genuine national defense.
This is not to say that in any of these cases, be they victim or intentional heroes, our troops haven’t risen to the occasion and performed heroically.
It is to say that considering this larger truth, perhaps it’s not necessary either to promote the death of people who for whatever reason choose to pretend that that they too were heroes or victims or heroic victims in some of these events that happened in their life time.
Some of you really want to imprison or kill these imposters?
Why?
How would that make your lives any better?
Posted by: Zach | May 26, 2007, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
I think that imposters should immediately be shipped off to fight the terrorists.
Posted by: chesty | May 26, 2007, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
This is no different than fake cops who phone people asking for cash donations to the FOP or similar charities than pocket the money. Of course the BIGGEST fake wanabe soldier is our so-called “Commander (..holding back from throwing up) in Chief GW Bush who used daddy’s influence to stay out of Texas Air Guard Duty and bought his way thru college. Hopefully a country does not get the leaders it deserves.
Posted by: Nathan | May 26, 2007, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
A fitting sentence would be a two year tour in Iraq.
Posted by: Jimmy D | May 26, 2007, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
A few years back the editor of the “Arizona Republican, opps Republic” lied about serving in Viet Nam and had used his “service” as a way of obtaining jobs. He did not go to jail but he lost his big job as editor. I wonder what ever happened to that lying bag of Republiscum crap. If I recall his last name was Tully. He was just humiliated and that was the best thing you can do to these people.
Posted by: azbill | May 26, 2007, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
I hope they look in DC at the fake veteran who is our Commander in Chief. He never served and he can’t prove he ever served.
Posted by: Destin | May 26, 2007, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
I’ve read some pretty pathetic comments here. Many appear to be written by uninformed individuals who never served their country in any capacity. Others appear to be written by radical liberals who condone impersonators, dopers and those who would steal honors granted our military for their own self aggrandizement.
If you are among those who finds no dishonor in stealing honors awarded to legitimate servicemen then you have little respect for anything ethical or moral.
Bye the way, some clown said something to the effect that imposters are “breaking no law”. Hey, “dude” you better read up on U.S. (Federal) Law.
Posted by: John | May 26, 2007, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
As a VETERAN, I’m wondering if the funding for this program is coming out of that $120,000,000,000 barrel o’ pork we gave away yesterday. I would rather it be spent arresting OSAMA BIN LADEN than some window dresser down the street.
Posted by: Mike Meyer | May 26, 2007, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
With a criminal in the White House, and many below him, it doesn’t make much sense to pay these clowns double-time to search for people playing dress-up…
Posted by: NH | May 26, 2007, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
The First Btn 9th Marines has a master phoney from the Vietnam war by the name of Larry Gugle He was never in Vietnam nor the Famed Btn. Claimes several Purple Hearts Silver Star and other awards. He was court marshaled reduced in rank and forced from the Marine Corps. He has been proscecuted for recieving illegal benefits from the V.A.
Posted by: Dick Stanley | May 26, 2007, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
>>>Lets not forget, many if not most medals are B.S. Remember John Kerry. He wrote up his own purple hearts for scratches. He got a bogus Silver Star.
Posted by: JosephR | May 25, 2007 3:47:27 PM<<<
Let's not forget, no matter how much documentation or eyewitness testimony one has, sleazemongers like the Swift Boat Liars for Rent will lie about your service if they disagree with your politics. And JosephR is a perfect example of the gullible audience they pander to.
Posted by: ZuZu | May 26, 2007, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
sending mentally ill idiots and opportunists to prison for wearing medals they didn’t earn and don’t deserve is another example of the absurd state of depravity we’ve arrived at. currently we have more people in prison than any nation in the world, even more than china and they have 1.3 billion people. you want to throw people in jail. how about jailing all the people who work in govt that give sweetheart contracts to the companies they go to work for when they leave govt. billions and billions of wasted tax dollars, my money dammit going into the pockets of the neocons. there is a real crime, the punishment of which might actually do some good. it use to be illegal to work for an industry you were previously charged with regulating for five years after leaving govt. changing that law was one of the first orders of business for the rethugicans when they took over and started robbing us blind. of course those are the sob’s who are most outraged about the phony medal people.
Posted by: rivernet | May 27, 2007, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Regretfully, passage of a law criminalizing what amounts to lying about one’s military service record is one more example of the extent that American society pays deference to the military but fabricating that record is no more appalling than lying about one’s work record to enhance a resume and to further one’s career. I find it personally deplorable that anyone would lie about their military service record (most true heroes know it is nothing to brag about) or resume but why is it that publicizing bogus military service for personal enhancement warrants special treatment; except as proof that Americans are more than a little infatuated with our military? Yes, a well funded and strong military is necessary in a difficult world but guess what folks: This is something we should regret and it is something that we ought to work hard to change. Instead, our society is so laden with testosterone we appear incapable of seeing war for what it is: A waste of lives and money that rarely accomplishes its intended purposes. I am sickened when I think of how many medals have been given to men and women for committing acts of bravery, and, for dying, in wasteful and stupid conflicts. Frankly, if someone misrepresents their service record they should be publicly ostracized and humiliated; just like anyone else who discredits themselves publicly should be treated. The problem is that Americans have come to see everything as means tested: If the end result is worth it than anything goes including lying and cheating. Wasting FBI personnel and taxpayer money on exposing public liars makes about as much sense as most of the wars people fought to gain their service records in the first place.
Posted by: Roger H. Werner | May 27, 2007, 3:16 am 3:16 am
One would have thought there would be a specific exception for theatrical and cinematic performance. But apparently not, other than that implied by the First Amendment:
“(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals- Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.’;…”
Posted by: Andy | May 27, 2007, 8:16 am 8:16 am
I wish they could go after the real fakes, like Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, Pearle who started the war in Iraq with lies, but none of them ever served in the military. Especially galling is that the US was at war at the time in Vietnam, but they either dodged the draft by using family connections to get into the Texas National Guard (not considered service under USC title 38 at the time), get a direct commission (no OCS for this guy) and have taxpayers pay for his flight lessons (he became a pilot), then go AWOL to work on political campaigns rather than complete his obligation to even the National Guard (yes Bush I am talking about you)or they never served at all (they evidently had better things to do). They are the true hypocrite’s.
Posted by: Spud | May 27, 2007, 10:13 am 10:13 am
As a veteran, I could care less if someone wants to act like a hero. We’re supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of endless laws. When these people go act like this and someone figures out they’re phony, the embarassment alone should be enough to punish them. The biggest shock to this is that the fbi and the federal courts waste our money prosecuting these people. One of the things the US is number one in is prison population, the question is, do we have too many crimminals, or too many laws?
Posted by: Mike | May 27, 2007, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Winning a medal for being trained to kill for someone elses power. People take themselves too seriously. I say everyone should get a purple heart.
Posted by: Namurti | May 27, 2007, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Far to many rules. Far too many laws. Far too many people in prison.
Perhaps we should also arrest and try all the people who lie about their college credentials, fluff their resumes and all the management in corporate America who take the credit for the ideas and productivity that actually comes from other employees?
Heck, we’ve got more people who have destroyed peoples pensions and retirement funds by the thousands who get a slap on the wrist and soft country club “prision time” and do much more damage than these few who pose as veterans.
The people that we (America) owe a debt of gratitude to know who they are and can wear the uniform or medals with deserving pride. Does an impostor really diminish the genuineness of the sacrifice of those who genuinely earned it?
I don’t think so.
And it certainly doesn’t warrant penalties exceeding those given to the people of position and power in this country that create far greater hardship for our fellow country men through personal deception, greed and corruption.
Hats off and much thanks to those who have genuinely been the victims of the military industrial complex, heroes of our people and too, those same victims that rose to heroism because it was forced on them to do so in so many unnecessary theaters of war.
But they gave what they gave for freedom, not for more rules and laws that in the end only apply to the common person and exclude the crimes of the rich, positioned and powerful.
Posted by: Zach | May 27, 2007, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
For those ranting about laws prohibiting people from wearing medals:
The bottom line is these phonies’ behavior is considered FRAUD. We don’t allow people to impersonate police officers or military officers.
Some pseudo-veterans collect fees for speaking at events or are reimbursed for travel, lodging, and food. Others use the false credentials to obtain employment. All of this behavior is FRAUD. These are the people being charged with crimes… not the guy sitting on his couch with low-self esteem and fake medals.
Posted by: Jim | May 27, 2007, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
I really like the notion of finding the first phonies in the whitehouse no doubt there. Letting the four hundered pounder run at Parris Island sounds pretty good.
Posted by: matthew a todd | May 27, 2007, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
From corporate execs to tax evaders there’s plenty of fraud out there that does a whole lot worse to society.
If you want to catch all fraud artists, fine. But pointing out just these halloween-ers isn’t going to do squat to restore justice on a national scale.
The cries for justice here are so selective and limited to personal interests.
How about we have justice for all in this country or sit back and watch some tube, because calling for justice just where your individual sensibilities have been insulted does nothing for the big picture or the betterment of this country.
Posted by: Zach | May 27, 2007, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
FOCUS……it is a word that means to concentrate.
Isn’t it amazing how many have posted here that jump off subject and bring in political views and disenchantment with white collar crimes.
FOCUS on the subject of this article folks, which is Military IMPOSTORS, frauds, wannabe’s.
Got a complaint about politics, go to your Congressman. Got a complaint about corporate corruption, go to YOUR BOSS, or his/her boss, or higher.
Posted by: John | May 27, 2007, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
NJ, have you ever served in the U.S. military services? I am just curious about it. Posted by a Vietnam-era veteran who served on active duty, with honor and with pride, during seven years (1966-1973) of that unnecessary war. I received several citations and ribbons during those years, but I would gladly give them all back in protest of this immoral war which has become a sad reenactment of the Vietnam war.
Posted by: rapsie01 | May 27, 2007, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
I resent the fact that some people “thinks it’s okay” for some imposter to wear these medals! I, for one, don’t! Until you have served in the military, I don’t think you understand the “honor and integrity” that goes along with volunteering to join the military.
With that type of mentality, those of you that have never served, won’t. At least, not until you are drafted. However, for the real men who volunteered and who have paid the ultimate sacrifice to our fellow countrymen and women, they are being “disgraced” by such pranksters and phonies.
While I am a lifetime member of the Disabled American Veterans and was injured during my time in service, I don’t intend to dishonor my fellow veterans by pretending to be something I’m not. I served my country with honor and I still do, however, I won’t make no excuses for the Commander in Chief; it’s time this fiasco of a war be finished and done.
Let’s bring our troops home….ALIVE! And make a firm committment to the ones who have been injured and disabled; not the “lip service” that has been instituted in the past.
Posted by: Navy_Vet | May 28, 2007, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Bill Clinton and George W ran away from war and you let them be the commanders in chief. Great respect shown there for all the WW2 heroes, eh yankees.
Posted by: Dean | May 28, 2007, 5:45 am 5:45 am
I would never want a medal for murdering people in the first place. If you do in real life what those soldiers did you would be facing serious jailtime if not worse. But why is the sollution of so many posters to shoot everything they don’t agree with?. I think that may well be the core of the probelm. If someone doesnt confirm to what we want shot them!!. Also you cannot compare impersonating a soldier with a policeofficer, as the latter has a lot more ‘rights’ then a citizen and a soldier does not for example arresting suspects. However the idea by Mike Jones of sending them to bootcamp for awhile does have it merrits. It would show them it is not appreciated what they do without any extreme punishments.
Posted by: wulfe | May 28, 2007, 7:00 am 7:00 am
You know these imposters are bad people and it’s a shame that they behave in the manner they do. What is worse though is people who say such crazy insane things like these people should be in jail for life or get the death penalty. YOU are as sick as or worse than the imposters.
Posted by: sk8boardgrind | May 28, 2007, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
What’s worse than wearing undeserved medals is having tax-payers pay VA compensation to veteran who never saw any action, never received a combat medal, but are claiming they now have PTSD. They clog up the benefits systems and the VA hospital system, when real combat veterans need the help. It infuriates the veteran who really have PTSD and see these losers whine because, oops, they forgot to get a job 20 years ago.
Posted by: Dyann | May 29, 2007, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Brother boots know each other and quietly pass the torch to the next generation, today’s heros. The phony braggarts are more to be pitied than scorned. No one hates them as much as they do themselves. 6T.
Posted by: Sixtees | May 29, 2007, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
A person caught with a phony medal or service record should be allowed the opportunity to redeem themselves… hand them a rifle and a parachute and drop-kick them from the assend of a C-130 over Baghdad.
If they’re still alive after four years, they get to come home with a DD-214 and a combat service ribbon.
God, I love America!!
Posted by: Andrew | May 29, 2007, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS
Posted by: kaufie | May 29, 2007, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
What is truly appalling is the number of people that seem to think it’s okay to do whatever they want fraud notwithstanding. A small fact has been forgotten here. No veteran ever fought for medals. Veterans were the ones willing to sacrifice for the service of their country. Medals are nothing more than tokens of appreciation from a grateful nation that will always be indebted to those who were willing to make that sacrifice. Sometimes the ultimate sacrifice. To say that there is no crime , to say that no harm is done, is to dismiss, disrespect, and cheapen the lives of ALL veterans and the sacrifices they have made. But of course, in a society that revels in instant gratification,the term sacrifice is completely unheard of. I have to wonder, how many of the bushbashers (yet again) and other leftists who think it’s no big deal have even registered for the draft, which you are still supposed to do at the age of eighteen. I’ll bet there’s damn few, if any. And these are the clowns everybody is supposed to trust the future of the country to? Good Luck, babies.
Posted by: Carl Zschering | May 29, 2007, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
I think I’m gonna run down to the paw shop and find me a me-dal.
Posted by: 911wasanINSIDEJOB | May 29, 2007, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
This type of behavior just diminishes the character of these imposters. You can definitely tell the difference between a valid Hero and one that is trying to pull an act. It will catch up to them in time and they should have great difficulty looking in mirrors.
Posted by: Bill Lovelady | May 29, 2007, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
I did Vietnam – two tours 67-69 as recon scout. I was wounded twice, I never wore my rank or metals in country or back in the world as I ETS’d right from Vietnam.
I came back to a USA that was different from when I left. I got sick of the crap not only from the civvies but the system as well.
Finally I made my move.
I moved to a place where people appreciate the people who put service to their country and get respect.
I didn’t leave America it left me.
I voted and it made no difference so I voted with my feet.
I now live in Australia.
I wouldn’t live in America for quid’s.
Every time I visit I reconfirm my decision over and over.
I really believe that if tomorrow were 7 Dec 1941 the day after there would be protests to negotiate a peace.
Metals, rank and pretending, how pathetic. Bring smoke on their ass, make an example so no other idiot would ever want to take that chance. But this is the new America, I will sit back here and watch what happens. I really hope I am surprised that someone has enough salt to do something.
I like the idea of them working cleaning bed pans at Walter Reed or something like that.
Those who say “Just get over it”, have never had something to get over themselves. Of course it means nothing to them, they never did anything.
Someone needs to make a web site to list the names of the imposters with actor Brian Dennehe at the top.
Forgive but NEVER FORGET !!
Posted by: Ken | May 29, 2007, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Those who have not served in the armed services don’t realize the honor. Put on the uniform and then say otherwise. Those phony “wannabes” should be made to join the branch they try to emulate and sent into a zone to learn a valuable lesson. Your correct, Jail is to good for any of those dishonorable persons.
G. Kuhns-Cmdr. A.L. Post 2003 5/30/07
Posted by: Kuhns, G. | May 30, 2007, 8:19 am 8:19 am
I want to put an end to all of this bickering back and forth. As a proud member of the United States Military, let me state the facts.
- Most military members take great pride in their medals. Most of the time, they feel they did not deserve such a high honor. Some “brown-nose” to get ahead, but so what…does it really affect you.
- As for the phony military members…they should not be allowed to impersonate a military member. I personally find it disrespectful and an embarrassment. Because with such honor as wearing the uniform, comes rules and respect. If the phony does not know the rules, he will inevitably screw up and make the real military look foolish. How many people hate police officers because of one “stupid” cop?
- As for the hard line acts for punishment…the gov’t is not trying to scar a nation, only punish someone for trying to gain benefits and respect that was not earned. It’s about not cheating on people’s emotions and the system.
- As for the public humiliation…look at the messages written above. How many people had different opinions about what to do. Get real! Yes, they will be publicly humiliated. Just leave that up to the press. The result= Some will shun them and others will not care.
The most threatening and the bottom line…if a simple individual needing attention (or whatever) can get these medals and parade around in a veteran gathering, what do you think terrorists could do? For those that don’t agree with the law, think about the consequences.
And my final thought…whether or not you support the new law, remember, your elected officials agreed and thought it something that needed to be done. That tells me that there are quite a few politicians out there that fully respect the American service member and think these phony military member should be stopped.
Again…I am proud of my US Military and the medals on my chest! I wear them with pride and honor. I earned every last one, from my basic training ribbon to my highest medal. If you have never served, you will never truly appreciate the honor (oh by the way, these honors are given by peers, bosses, the branch of service, the nation, the President, and Congress). When I retire, my medals will be a testament to a full and honorable career serving this great nation. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless our troops…past…present…and future.
Posted by: Scott | May 30, 2007, 9:35 am 9:35 am
I received a National Defense Medal and ribbon from our government for “serving during a time of war”. I am legally allowed to wear this medal, the same medal my father received for serving during Vietnam. I don’t have any more right to wear it than the people that the FBI would now arrest. Here’s why: I was in boot camp during D.S., and by the time I left boot camp, the war was over. In my mind, I did NOT serve during wartime.
My point is that even if the government gives a medal to a serviceman, it doesn’t mean it was actually earned. The FBI should have more important things to do. This is one of the more ridiculous laws I’ve heard of lately. Our “democracy” is so watered-down we will eventually have no freedoms…regardless of how many men and women die for them.
Posted by: Mark | May 30, 2007, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Wish there were more US Attorneys like
Bradley Schlozman so that more of these phonies paid the price for dishonoring our troops by receiving the max sentence.
Posted by: Taldan | May 30, 2007, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
I do agree with most people here that say there should be some type of significant punishment for their behavior. I am a Disabled Veteran of 15 years and served in the Gulf war in 90-91 and earned my way from Private to Captain before I was medically Discharged. I feel that these folks that wear badges that are not theres should be imprisoned for one year for each badge that they did not earn, on a chain gang, in the Hot Georgia Sun or the isolated Alaska Winter to pick up trash and old rubber tires, in hopes that they understand how there behaviors Defiled those killed or wounded over the past 230 years defending this great land. Despite my disability, I pray everyday that I get a call from the Army saying that they would like me to return to service for as many tours of duty in the War as the military see fit.
Larryf, El Paso, Texas
Posted by: LarryF | May 31, 2007, 6:34 am 6:34 am
None of us “chasing phonies” are going after the guys telling bar rooms tales. We are going after the guys falsifying documents to get free license plates. Or getting on the front page of the newspaper where a REAL hero should be. We go after the guys claiming combat, when they never left the states – to get VA disability at $2400 a month and THEN social security too. They speak in schools, and record their fairy tales for history preservation projects. Do you know how many times we have heard that someone ate a raw rat, escaped captivity and earned the nations highest recognition – the Medal of Honor? Those that EARNED the MOH continue to serve their country AND try to have a private life till the end of their days. The public service committment involved in unbelievable.
So which way do you want it?
-free license plates
-free fishing and hunting
-property tax breaks
-miliatry base access
-cheap world travel
-VA care
-Health insurance provided for the spouse
-discounts at motels
-discounts at retailers
-awards and recognition in parades, schools, Clubs
-burying our REAL heroes….
using
-falsified douments
-bogus notarized “witness” statements
-altered permanent records
-the bogus news stories
-the bogus books they write
or being the real thing?
It’s YOUR tax dollars being wasted.
If it was your mother or sister being scammed out of her life savings – you’d be calling the cops and asking why no one will listen….
Posted by: Mary Schantag | May 31, 2007, 9:55 am 9:55 am
I am currently serving in the US Army and have been for 12 years. The people that are doing these acts are of the greatest disgust to all of us who are serving, or haved served in the military in the past. I have been to three memorials in the past month of fallen comrades that have given the ultimate sacrifice to protect their country and there fellow comrades. To hear how they gave their life to protect their friends and brothers in combat and to see the grief of the family members as they say good bye to their loved ones is heart breaking knowing that their are people out their putting on medals that my comrades are earning and paying for with their lives. The best idea I read so far is for these criminals, because by law that’s what the are, is to go to Walter Reed and help the real heros on a daily basis un top of the fines that they are going to have to pay.” We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. “George Orwell. Real heros are giving their lives so everyone that has entered a comment on this blog today can do so. Freedom isn’t free. People who have no respect for the uniform or the people who are protecting your right to live free, and use the uniform and its medals for personal gain should and will be delt with accordingly.
Posted by: Christopher M. White | May 31, 2007, 11:15 am 11:15 am
While I think it’s sad that some people feel the need to make up a life for themselves, I can think of lots of other ways we could improve the quality of life in this country. How about starting with our imposter of a president?
Posted by: cc823 | May 31, 2007, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
OK, I just changed my mind. I was about to post a pithy comment about how we might as well just start arresting all the fake Irish people who pop up every St. Patrick’s Day. Or that we should arrest any top government officials who pretend to be Texas ranchers–or enjoy the benefits afforded to those who ACTUALLY win two national elections.
Scrolling down, however, I saw the post about all of the actual, tangible benefits that these guys are reaping through actual, premeditated fraud.
I get it now. These guys should be punished.
Posted by: Ken Diggs | June 1, 2007, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Hi.
Yesterday, I got to go to the memorial service for the five American men who recently died aboard a helicopter in Afghanistan. I knew two of them, having flown and worked with them after fixing their aircraft.
I saw them mere hours before their last flight.
And now I read this article here, and I see so many of these user comments exclaiming stupidity, too many pointless laws, waste of tax dollars, and all the other little politcal buzzwords lying around these days, and I can’t help but get angry. Here are men that I work with every day dying, and there are people back home reaping the ‘benefits’ of their deaths. Someone who didn’t have the guts to put their neck on the line like these men did, claiming that they have done so, and they deserve the honor.
A lie is a lie, and when it dishonors those who’ve served and died, it grows uglier. And when that lie is used to steal from the very people we serve and die for, it becomes criminal. It defaces us as much as it does them.
I can’t stand how many people will dump on the military, just because its part of the government.
Instead of complaining, how about doing something to fix things?
Posted by: Zee | June 3, 2007, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
The one group of military than has lost more men in every war is the Combat Infantryman. They are the tip of the spear and recognized as such, with a blue badge or C.I.B. worn higher than any other ribbon. I pity any freak show that puts one on and gets caught by a member. Better the law handles him for his own good.
Posted by: John | June 7, 2007, 12:51 am 12:51 am
In 2004, the local American Legion and VFW had a Member as the guest speaker on Memorial Day. He was supposedly a Marine Major wearing more than 20 ribbons, 11 of the top 18 that Marines might receive for extraordinary service. It was questionable and I approached both groups who declined to take any action. Through other Marines and an FBI agent in NJ, I developed a case against the guy and referred it to the largest newspaper in the state. They finally printed it after two months. In 2005, the US Attorney prosecuted the guy on a misdeameanor charge and he received two years probation, 100 hours of community service along with mandatory mental health treatment. Most of us retired Marines felt that it was a slap on the wrist for what he had done. However, the story was picked up by national news services and received good coverage. That has resulted in the word getting out about these phonies. Semper Fi Jim K.
Posted by: Jim Krudwig | June 7, 2007, 11:49 am 11:49 am
After all the wars and the fighting still going on, our men and women being killed in Iraq, while our Home Land is un-secured, and 48150 American citizens have been killed by illegal people since 2002. Military Identification of its personel has been unprotected, while illegals steal our identities,so if anyone degrading our military`s heros, that would be the very government we served.
Posted by: JB | June 7, 2007, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Thanks, Mary , for saving me a lot of typing. Excellent response. Those of us who really DID serve our time (i put in 21 years active) thank you.
Posted by: Steven Holmes | September 21, 2007, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
We will continue to fight wars so long as we continue to glorify warriors. All wars are the result of human failures. All advocates of war should feel shame, all participants regret. No god worthy of the name sides with an army.
Posted by: Bo D. Sattva | October 4, 2007, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
It is a slap in the face to me and all other service members for these imposters to pose as heros when we have watched our brothers and sisters die in combat for eachother and be awarded medals of valor for thier actions. HONOR OUR FALLEN NOT WEAR WHAT THEY NO LONGER CAN.
Posted by: A US MARINE | December 20, 2007, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
I have 6 years in the military and did my deployment to the combat zone. Honestly, I think it should only be a crime for active duty members to wear what they did not deserve. As far as civilians, leave them alone. It’s a stupid law.
Posted by: Brandon | January 2, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
British and the Commonwealth have this tradition of wearing medals,which is fine. American traditions follow a different path. My medals hang in a shadow box, next to my fathers WWII medals shadow box.
As a Vet, (like must) I visit my dads grave on Memorial Day, have a big cook out with friends and family on the 4th, and on Veterans day, this vet prefers to sit on the sofa with the remote and maybe give call to an old shipmate and swap old sea stories about some forgotten liberty call overseas (back when I was young and had hair, and my pant size didn’t equal number of states CONUS)
Posted by: hooter | January 19, 2008, 5:20 am 5:20 am
Poeple, these posers are gtetting VA benefits and money that is a Federal by itself.Most of the posts overlook thus,several admit to doing this for the VA and SS MONEY. Nam Vet 66-56
Posted by: joe williams | May 10, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am
What about the dopes at the VA that bought these imposter’s stories and ended up giving the imposter’s C&P awards? (That’s cash for you civilians)
Posted by: Dave Silveira | July 20, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm