May 4, 2007 9:18am

‘Miz Julia’ Speaks: Inside D.C.’s Most Notorious Escort Service

Some of the most in-demand women working for the "D.C. Madam" were in their 50s, according to the woman at the center of the scandal. "There was never an age limit. I hired women well into their 50s," Deborah Jeane Palfrey told ABC News. "They were some of the most popular women on staff." During its 13 years of operation, women who worked for Palfrey’s firm, Pamela Martin and Associates, were generally part-timers, Palfrey said, not professional escorts. "I made sure they either worked or went to school in the daytime," Palfrey told ABC News. Women took around three shifts a week, which ended at 11 p.m. every night, she said. "Everybody had to get up at 6:00 and 7:00 the next morning to go to work." THE BLOTTER RECOMMENDS Photos D.C. Madam Affair Unfolds in Pictures Blotter D.C. Law Firm Suspends Woman Who Worked as Escort Blotter D.C. Lawyer Demands ABC News Keep His Client Secret Blotter D.C. Madam Wants Washington Clients to Testify Blotter Senior Official Linked to Escort Service Resigns Click Here to Check Out Brian Ross Slideshows Palfrey recruited women by placing ads featuring her telephone number in local alternative newspapers and campus publications, including the University of Maryland school newspaper, according to both Palfrey and federal prosecutors. The government has charged Palfrey with crimes associated with running a prostitution ring. Palfrey says she ran a legal "sexual fantasy service" and that women who worked for her agreed not to engage in illegal sexual activity with clients, intercourse or oral sex. Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage. From career professionals to graduate students, most women who came to Palfrey to work did so because they needed money — to pay off credit card debt, cover school loans or pay tuition fees, according to Palfrey. "I had a gal, for example, who was at Georgetown Medical," she said. At different times Palfrey employed a college professor, a medical researcher, a Navy officer, a legal secretary and a suburban realtor. When a woman responded to one of her ads, Palfrey said she counseled them to think seriously before signing up. "Many of these girls had never done this kind of work before," Palfrey said, explaining why she encouraged them to "think about it overnight." If the woman was still interested, Palfrey asked her to send a photograph of herself, a resume and a driver’s license to Palfrey in California, where she lives, Palfrey said. Later, she accepted applications via e-mail. Palfrey said that if she liked what she saw, she sent the woman on an "appointment" to a client known to her.  Prosecutors call those men "testers" and say Palfrey required women to have sex with them, in order to "determine the ability of those women to perform the appropriate prostitution activities." Palfrey says they "were not supposed to have sex." "I needed somebody to eyeball them," Palfrey said, because "they didn’t look exactly the way they portrayed themselves," adding that she also wanted to "make sure they were sincere." "Many of these girls were a lot of talk and no action — as most people seem to be from time to time," Palfrey said.  Many applicants would initially be very willing, but when they went on their first appointment "they just freeze and they think, ‘I don’t know if I can do this.’" If the girls were hired, Palfrey had them sign a contract agreeing not to engage in illegal sexual behavior or drug use or buy alcohol for minors. They were instructed on the basics of the business: how to send Palfrey her cut of each appointment fee (mail a money order to a California P.O. box), how to let her know when you can work (submit a schedule by Sunday evening showing your availability for the following week) and what was expected of them (at least three shifts a week, well-groomed appearance and no complaining about far-flung appointments). Palfrey generated business for her women by advertising in telephone books and alternative newspapers throughout the Baltimore-Washington area.  "The ads were very benign," Palfrey said. "No girlie pictures, no nudie pictures. Nothing salacious." Calls from prospective clients were routed to her home in California. For seven days a week, 345 days a year, Palfrey answered the calls, arranged 90-minute "appointments," kept schedules, even sent out employee newsletters. The business was routine, interrupted only for snow days and a handful of holidays.  "It was very boring, mostly," Palfrey told ABC News. "Very ‘Groundhog Day,’ the same thing over and over and over and over, and over. For me, anyway." For others, it might not seem so routine.  For instance, Palfrey and all of her women used "play names." Palfrey was "Miss Julia," while her girls chose their own pseudonyms, including "Jennifer" or "Angela," or "Miss Jennifer" and "Miss Angela," as Palfrey said she addressed them. Clients were often particular, Palfrey recalled. "The men would ask for a specific girl or a specific type…’I am looking for someone who is 50,’ for example. ‘I am looking for someone who is petite,’ ‘I am looking for someone who is like Mary,’ if he had seen Mary before. "And I would say, ‘Well, there is no one quite like Mary, of course, because there is only one Mary.  But I do have someone who is also very polite and very nice and friendly.’" For their part, the clients were typically decent to Palfrey’s women, she said. "I had many gals tell me that their boyfriends treated them, oh, just purely awful. And they would go to many of these appointments, and the man would have roses waiting for them.  And nobody had ever given them roses before." Although Palfrey abhorred paper records, she says she religiously filed tax returns for herself and the women who worked for her, operating as independent contractors. "I reported every year, 13 years, with H&R Block," Palfrey told ABC News. "The girls received their 1099s [tax forms] in January." Her preparer mailed the forms to the women, Palfrey said. "I think I ran a very nice operation," Palfrey said of Pamela Martin and Associates, which she closed for good in August 2006, two months before federal agents raided her California home, and the criminal allegations against her surfaced. "I think I empowered a lot of women. I got a lot of women through graduate school.  I think the people that used the service were by and large quite pleased."

User Comments

Sounds like an excellent service. Too bad we have so many religious fundamentalists whose only concern is that somewhere someone may be enjoying themselves. Unfortunately, it appears that, as a country, we will never get over our Wahabi and Taliban-like attitudes.

Posted by: an analyst | May 4, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am

I say if the prosecutors truly feel illegal activity occurred then arrest the johns, the working girls as well as the Madam.
Lets make a circus of this trial for there are plenty of clowns.

Posted by: joe | May 4, 2007, 9:46 am 9:46 am

What is the point of a 90-minute appointment if it’s not set-up just for sex? Who the hell would want to go on a 90-minute date? What a bunch of crap.

Posted by: Hank | May 4, 2007, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Taliban-like attitudes, eh? If that were truly the case and this were Saudi Arabia, there would be no prosecution or trial. It would beheadings, honor killings, and stonings of the women involved while the men would be let go. That was a pretty poor analogy you came up with.

Posted by: Erik | May 4, 2007, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Why doesn’t anybody mention that these activities transmits sexual deseases? It is unhealthy physically and emotionaly on the long run. It always is.
I am glad there are prosecutors seeking out these desease transmitting activities. Staying healthy will save the environment (on the long run)!

Posted by: pedro | May 4, 2007, 10:05 am 10:05 am

It just amazes me that “community standards” can determine laws in the US. 50 yrs ago, community standards determined that blacks and whites could not have relationships. Why aren’t US laws based on whether or not they actually cause physical harm to someone? As long as this is between two consenting adults, why should the neighbours have a say? Canada has moved away from “community standards”. Time for the US to follow-suit.

Posted by: Dan | May 4, 2007, 10:06 am 10:06 am

the legal profession run rampant — again!!
beat Duke case/special prosecutors/lawyers in robes who believe they are sainted….
meanwhile, Harry Reid/Dianne Feinstein steer millions to their personal pockets? When will the voters ever learn?

Posted by: Liberty | May 4, 2007, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Just goes to show that there are a lot of lonely people in the world. A little sad, but true.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007, 10:10 am 10:10 am

“What a bunch of crap.”
Well said.

Posted by: P. Hatie | May 4, 2007, 10:10 am 10:10 am

This sounds like another case of a victimless crime, sort of like prohibition in the 1920′s

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2007, 10:11 am 10:11 am

This sounds like another case of a victimless crime, sort of like prohibition in the 1920′s

Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2007, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Hey, if you can chase an intern around your office and have sex with a page, what’s the problem with a little “fantasy” sex? Powerful men are always going to be searching for ways to increase their weak egos.

Posted by: Chukkal | May 4, 2007, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Some may consider this to be a victimless crime, but it appears that the victims here are the girls themselves. As far as prohibition was concerned, what about the numerous deaths caused while driving under the influence. Let her disclose it all – including the clients names and occupations.

Posted by: RhettsWife | May 4, 2007, 10:25 am 10:25 am

WOW! Another media circus to divert attention from more important matters like ending the war! Is Bush behind this one too!
Thank you.

Posted by: Sydney | May 4, 2007, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Erik, Thank you for reading my comment. I’ve lived in Saudi Arabia, as well as Iraq. I will expand upon my comment.
Ideologies hold out the promise that the future will be better than the present. There are two types of ideology: a state-based ideology, which promises a better life while the person is living, and a metaphysical-based ideology, which promises a better life after the person is dead. The following will deal with the metaphysical-based ideology.
Monotheist Believes there is one right path. Since this is completely contained within the individual’s thoughts no one else would even know about it.
Evangelist Spreads word of the path. Sometimes intrusive and irritating; nevertheless is still peaceful and not a physical threat to anyone.
Fundamentalist Insists that public law reflect the path. If thwarted the fundamentalist will introduce violence, for the insistence, citing the desire of a deity, is without restraint.

Posted by: an analyst | May 4, 2007, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Has anyone bothered to interview the women who actually worked and asked them if they were expected to perform sax acts?

Posted by: geneonlbk | May 4, 2007, 10:38 am 10:38 am

I’m with Stan, “Expose them all”

Posted by: Christine | May 4, 2007, 10:46 am 10:46 am

> RhettsWife wrote: Some may consider this to be a victimless crime, but it appears that the victims here are the girls themselves. As far as prohibition was concerned, what about the numerous deaths caused while driving under the influence.
Where in that article was there ANY mention of ANY harm to the women escorts? It sounds to me like they had a lot of latitude about taking the job, and some specific guidelines about on the job duties. If indeed their contract with the ‘Madam’ specified no sex, then they were nothing more than independant contractors doing a job (john?) on the side. RhettsWife, you don’t REALLY support prohibition do you? Lets run with the Chicken Little theme for a moment:
-What about all the car crashes (for whatever reason)? Let’s ban cars.
-What about people who eat fast food and get morbidly obese (and cost gazillions in health care costs borne by the rest of us…[self-rightiously] I am the very picture of trim healthyness). Let’s ban averything but fruits, nuts, and veggies!
-What about all those motorcyclists killed by car drivers turning left in front of them (“But officer, I didn’t see him.”)? Let’s ban, er, LEFT TURNS!!!
This is really only a fun story because of the sanctimonious behavior of those on her list. We the people demand sainthood of those who clearly aren’t, and act outraged when they ‘fail’. We’re the idiots.

Posted by: CircusGeek | May 4, 2007, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Wait! What..no list? Decided not to release any names? What happened? Wasn’t that the point? Wasn’t this for the “big ratings”? What would make those at ABC change their minds? Hmm. That’s the only interesting part of the story. One DC attorney scared you away? Maybe there were no “big fish” to fry? When you reviewed the list, besides the one Republican that was “outed”, were you disappointed? Or, were there Dems on the list and you couldn’t release Republican names without releasing Dems names? Oh wait, that can’t be. That would mean you were engaging in honest journalism.

Posted by: Nicolette | May 4, 2007, 10:48 am 10:48 am

It is absurd and immoral that this trial is even taking place. Any sex acts performed for money were voluntary exchanges between consenting adults. The decision on whether to participate is entirely between those parties. The rest of us have a right to disapprove or persuade them to stop, but not to make their decisions for them.

Posted by: Derrick | May 4, 2007, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Any bets on this prosecution getting cut off at the ankles? If it continues we will probably lose half of the congress.

Posted by: Mr. question | May 4, 2007, 10:49 am 10:49 am

The ONLY reason this story should even matter at all is because there may have been some right-wing, self-professed “Christian” elected officials engaged in prostitution. Hypocrisy should be exposed.
Otherwise…this is hardly news. DC hookers for public servant johns? Don’t agree with it morally, but it’s been happening for eons.

Posted by: p | May 4, 2007, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Who cares if they had sex or not, the government is once again going out of bounds. Why should people care about how they spend their time and money when it doesn’t hurt anybody or damage any property? Because it’s immoral? There are plenty of other immoral activities that are commited every day that go unpunnished thare as private as using an escort service (adultery anybody?).
People raise the risk of contracting an STD as a reason. Those same people could learn a few things about how these kind of operations work in Nevada. Regulate it, tax it, and put it work so that law enforcement can work on other issues (graffiti, drug stings, unsolved murder cases). This lifestyle is NOT going to stop because of high profile cases like this one.

Posted by: MB | May 4, 2007, 10:54 am 10:54 am

If the Madam is running an illegal business, indict her if proof is there. As far as I am concerned that is enough.
I hope the rest of the information of who did what to whom is not aired as this information, not news, would ruin a lot of lives. It all is non of the nation’s concern.
Let the media move to informing us to what is happening in the world that truly affects us.

Posted by: Sylvia | May 4, 2007, 10:57 am 10:57 am

I think the johns and prostitutes should be outed and prosecuted as well as the madam. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. And I sure wish your readers would learn to spell or use spell check.

Posted by: Karen Schweighardt | May 4, 2007, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Sounds like it would have been a good plot for a ‘West Wing’ episode. Oh, that’s right, it was!

Posted by: JJ | May 4, 2007, 11:01 am 11:01 am

I just wish the justice dept was as zealous to protect our borders, as they are about busting escort services.

Posted by: Christopher Jones | May 4, 2007, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Robert: Thank you for reading my comment. I only wish you had read it accurately. I did not use the word “religion”. I used the term “a metaphysical-based ideology”. However, we will go with an examination of religion since it seems of interest to you. I propose that religion is a thesis and freedom the antithesis. (In that order only because religion developed prior to freedom in collective groups.) Religion’s outcome, once one monotheistic religion dominates a society, is the outcome shown by Puritans, Wahabi, Students (Taliban), the French Inquisition, and the Spanish Inquisition.
I propose the following thought concerning freedom:
HIERARCHY OF FREEDOM
Humans have three interactions, first with each other, second with other species, and third with the environment. Due to our unique ability to impact life through conscious thought, discussions of the second and third interactions should focus on humanity’s stewardship responsibilities. I will deal exclusively with the first, human interaction.
It is my premise that we can reduce such uncivilized behavior as war, terrorism, child and spouse abuse, and other acts of unfairness through understanding the nature of freedom and by having this understanding permeate society.
Freedom is comprised of a three level hierarchy. The levels, in order of precedence, are freedom from the actions of others, freedom of belief, and freedom to act. Making sure we have the idea firmly fixed, one human’s right to freedom from the actions of others transcends another human’s right to freedom of belief, which in turn transcends another human’s right to freedom to act.
Freedom of belief includes religious belief. The first and third freedoms concern actions. The second freedom is limited to internal thought.
As long as there is no conflict with the freedom from and the freedom of (plus stewardship responsibilities), a person should be free to act without interference.
When we analyze a situation using this structure, it becomes clear whose rights should prevail. For every situation ask, “Does this situation concern one human’s interaction with another human?” If the answer is yes, then this hierarchy of freedom applies.
The hierarchy rests heavily upon the concept of equality among humans. This is a recent development in human evolution. It is only shallowly ingrained. Humans still suffer under the bondage of royalty, theocracy, ignorance, and tradition.
An important role of a legitimate government is to support this hierarchy of freedom and to ensure that those more powerful are not able to distort or reorganize this hierarchy. One test of the legitimacy of a government is its degree of implementation of the hierarchy. A low level of implementation would be justification for other governments to withhold support and for its own people to seek leadership replacement.
Those in power sometimes use the excuse of an internal or external threat to claim that they must suspend the hierarchy of freedoms and extend their own power. They might hide their motives behind terms such as morality, values, and the common good.
This hierarch provides a framework that should guide society’s laws and help the individual develop internal discipline.
an analyst
9 April 2007

Posted by: an analyst | May 4, 2007, 11:04 am 11:04 am

A victimless crime? This is not victimless. This is spreading STDs, hurting marriages and further pushing out the limits on what “Pleasure” is. Sex is a wonderful thing in a marriage. Try working on your marriage. Prostitution is not victim-less.

Posted by: Bern | May 4, 2007, 11:16 am 11:16 am

That proposal for the hierarchy of rights by your own admission requires that everyone subscribe to them and believe in them.
But that is part of the problem. We all believe different things. We act on what we believe. Everyone else’s proposal for solving this problem requires that everyone else believe their solution. And that is the heart of the matter.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007, 11:21 am 11:21 am

I see no crime here. What a bunch of wasted tax dollars.

Posted by: Happyfrenchman | May 4, 2007, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Please oh please God…let there be every one of DC’s Christian-Right-Wing-Nut-Bag’s name on that list. Please oh please let Brownback’s name be there….
Oh…and you evangelicals out there…..keep your crap to yourselves and stop trying to shove it down our throats unsolicited!

Posted by: scott | May 4, 2007, 11:22 am 11:22 am

If Ms. Palfrey really names names she will end up like Chandra Levy.
Hopefully she has police protection.
These so called “family men” are the biggest perverts of them all and they deserve exactly what they get.

Posted by: Rhona | May 4, 2007, 11:23 am 11:23 am

What makes all the posters assume that this is all the fault of Pat Robertson and evangelicals? It could just as easily be a Democratic prosecutor who would like nothing better than to charge the “DC Madam” for providing sexual services to some Republican “family values” conservative, thus giving rise to the inevitable charges of “hipocrisy.” We will know from ABC’s treatment of the list. If only Republicans or nominal Democrats in disfavored occupations (such as defense contractor) are named, with the list being “edited” to remove any names that might make this a bipartisan scandal, we will know. I do not see any evidence of an “American Taliban” who are trying to purify our streets. I do see plenty of Democrats who are trying to ignore or minimize the real “Taliban” who want to kill us as “infidels.” But of course we have to be “tolerant” even of those who seek to exterminate us.

Posted by: jmcnulty | May 4, 2007, 11:25 am 11:25 am

There have to be reciprocal parties for there to be a criminal activity, the payer and the payee, otherwise this sort of case is a witch hunt. Prosecute all parties or none at all.

Posted by: gus smith | May 4, 2007, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Clean up the SEX. Tax it! Make it Legal and you can use the money to pay for UNIVERSAL Health Care.
It’s impossible to stop prostitution!!!
We have thousands of years of proof!
Tax it!!!

Posted by: Josh | May 4, 2007, 11:27 am 11:27 am

This woman is smart! She has it ON PAPER that her “escorts” were not to engage in sex. Reasonable doubt? If it ever goes to trial, we’ll see…

Posted by: MJ | May 4, 2007, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Bern, STD’s are spread without the use of escort services. Haven’t you been to any bars, dance clubs or country clubs lately? Hurting marriages? I don’t see these services knocking on the door of prospective Johns like a salesman. People choose to use these services out of free will. Yes, it’s inconvenient and a shame that people would break a commitment such as marriage to seek pleasure from another companion but I blame both husbands for not owning up to their commitments and wives for being naive and not knowing who their partners really are. Prostitution IS victimless.

Posted by: MB | May 4, 2007, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Prostitution, if this is the case here, is never a “victimless crime”. Even if the women (or men) consent to be prostitutes the risks for being damaged physically, emotionally, and socially are very high. The families and significant others of the men who engage in prostitution will also pay a price in disease, relationship trauma, and the social chaos of dysfunctional families. The greater culture, often asked to pick up the costs of the damage done by others, is also victimized. Why is is that we can understand the dangers of second hand smoke and not see how unbridled sexual behavior can also do damage to people well beyond the two who consent at any given moment?

Posted by: John | May 4, 2007, 11:31 am 11:31 am

What ever happenned to professional ethics in this country? Wasn’t part of the reason that the clients hired Pamela Martin and Associates was so that the girls would come, have sex, leave and shut up?
This Madam is a disgrace to her profession.

Posted by: David | May 4, 2007, 11:32 am 11:32 am

So if these folks who are prosecuting are automatically right wingers, then those who perpetrate are left wingers? We are a nation of laws. There are law I don’t like but must abide by – like speeding (maybe not always). I know that if I speed, I might get a ticket. So unless these laws are changed, and you are willing to face the music, have at it go have fun, but know the possible consequences.
If the law is bad, then change it! Until then, stop whining… :-)

Posted by: Pierre | May 4, 2007, 11:39 am 11:39 am

It is typical that the national media would jump all over a story like this, but have a blackout on the horrific kidnapping rapes and murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome.

Posted by: Bill W | May 4, 2007, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Maybe we should have STD and drug-tests for ALL elected politicians and their appoinments? Hey, if we have to, they should too. Prostitution should be legalized. Rich women: leave poor women alone, your great-grandmothers made these dumb laws. All they do is make human society more of the powder-keg that it is today.

Posted by: Matt Janovic | May 4, 2007, 11:51 am 11:51 am

It is highly unlikely that there are any democrats on the list since they got it and their office for free. That is just amazing.

Posted by: glenn | May 4, 2007, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Who wants to bet that SEVERAL “high powered” Republicans are on this list. I cannot wait until Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or other Fox News zealots are outed. Those who live in glass houses.

Posted by: LMAO_buch_of_hypocrites | May 4, 2007, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Will these activities cause global warmning? If not, then why are we worried about it. I can’t wait to see who’s on the list!!! The “Do as I say, not as I do” crowd is really going to get it this time. But I doubt the whole list will be published.

Posted by: Kelly | May 4, 2007, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Mark Twain had a wonderful quote ” news is not when dog bites man , news is when man bites dog” this case is a prime example man bites dog. . Who really cares if some one wants to pay for 90 minutes of caring and or sex. It is about the same price as an over priced act in Vegas and one doesn’t walk out feeling ripped off by some disingenuous artist saying how much he/she loves you.

Posted by: larry | May 4, 2007, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

I’m behind you all the DC Madam, Kudo’s for your company – I hope you never see the inside of a jail – Let the list of clients be known if it keeps you out of jail, its just preposterous to think that you are charged with a crime. What crime? Your service was as legal as the customers who paid for them. And kudos for all those beautiful 50+ women!! I LOVE IT!

Posted by: Ellen | May 4, 2007, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

I’m all for full disclosure. However, does anybody other than me doubt that ABC will be fair? I say, publish them all, or publish none. Let the chips fall where they may.
Right now, only one Republican has been outed. I’ll be interested to see if we ever can know, which democrats are protected and which news media people are covered up.
ABC is an 80-90% democrat outlet. Republicans won’t receive fair treatment.

Posted by: M Stuart | May 4, 2007, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

What I would like to know is if any of these power brokers tried to submit an expense reimbursement to the State (or their employer) for the alleged “dinner” they had with these women.
GO Palfrey!!! Stick it to every hypocrite out there!!
Sell the story, sell the names. I hope you make MILLIONS out of this story!!!

Posted by: LMAO_buch_of_hypocrites | May 4, 2007, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

All parts of the sex-for-money biz are not equal, my ignorant friends. There is a very big difference in the factual particulars (though not to strict moralists, I realize,) between a drug-addicted pimp slave on a street corner and a med student dating professional men for money.
It is obvious from the comments that most people who have posted on this thread have no personal knowledge of this subculture, so allow me to enlighten you. There are a lot of people in our society who like to meet other people and have sex with them. In some cases, money is exchanged. Some of the ladies accepting money may support themselves that way. But many are actually enjoying themselves as much as the men (though the liberal feminist wing of the moral police will deny this—they know better than the women involved what is best for them.) Some have had fantasies about being an “escort,” and are fulfilling them, often for just a few months, and then they get out. Some are working their way through school or supplementing their teacher income. The money is often a way for boundaries to be drawn, expectations to be clear ahead of time, because the life circumstances of the man or the woman may not, at that time, allow for deeper involvement. Yet they want SOME involvement.
“Disease” is not spread more profusely through the high-end escort business than through the singles scene, the “swinger” scene or other means of meeting on the Internet. That is a myth. The encounters are, at the high end, respectful, often affectionate, interesting and intelligent.
I’m not trying to argue whether it is morally “right” or “wrong.” Everyone has their own opinion. But the idea that these are all desperate women, exploited by men, degrading themselves and spreading disease is simply ignorant.

Posted by: Freetotem | May 4, 2007, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

I think that prostitution should be legalized. There will always be women who will sell themselves for money as well as men who will pay for the services. Regulate it and keep it clean, keep the minors away. Too many children are caught up in prostitution.

Posted by: mk | May 4, 2007, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Selling your body is not the act of an “empowered” human being. And purchasing someone’s body is not an act of “harmless” pleasure. Whether we acknowledge it or not, prostitution is a harmful practice that addresses true needs for love and attention but in a way that is destructive and perverse.

Posted by: IJ | May 4, 2007, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Oh…and you evangelicals out there…..keep your crap to yourselves and stop trying to shove it down our throats unsolicited!
Posted by: scott | May 4, 2007 11:22:05 AM
Isn’t it strange that free speech is for everyone except evangelicals? If I voice my views on prostitution, gays & lesbions, abortion, etc. then I am being intolerant and should keep my mouth shut. However, you can bash me all you want and I can’t stop you because you have free speech. How hypocritical has this country become?
Prostitution is not a victimless crime…think of the unsuspecting wife (or husband) at home. The “john” has sex with a prostitute and brings home AIDS or another STD, has sex with the trusting spouse, and BAM…he or she also ends up with AIDS. Then if the wife happens to get pregnant the baby can contract AIDS or at the very least be left an orphan when both parents die from this dreaded disease. Definately not a victimless crime.

Posted by: Grandma | May 4, 2007, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

I’m sorry…but how is this any different than online dating services like Match.com, etc.??? Money is paid to get set up with other people–and if you go on a date and wind up having sex…is that going to be called prostitution too??? Slight differences, but a very similar concept! money=date/sex…..no one ever said these women didn’t have a choice.

Posted by: Kat | May 4, 2007, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Of course the madam would make it look as victimless as possible so we would all be sympathetic. If anyone has ever talked to women who have left prostitution you see a very different picture.

Posted by: austin | May 4, 2007, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Boy, this seems to be a blood-thirsty crowd writing in. Didn’t you guys get enough of a kick about Ted Haggard’s indiscretions? That was only 6 months ago. As for this “escort service,” I say bust the guys, too! That’s only fair. And has anyone else noticed how so few men are interested in sex, but are just in desperate need of a massage? There must be a lot of tension in the air! :)

Posted by: Joy O | May 4, 2007, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Who’s taking bets that very influential Republican leaders will show up on this list? Sean Hannity is already attacking Palfrey and “defending” anyone who used her services.
As is typical of these clowns they attack the victim (Palfrey) and defend the “C.E.O. type” criminal
If I had odds that Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or another one of their buddies were on the list I’d take that bet in a HEART BEAT.

Posted by: LMAO_buch_of_hypocrites | May 4, 2007, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

I want to know if any government employees charged this service to their expense accounts. The taxpayers shouldn’t have to foot the bill prostitutions or escort services for elected or appointed public servants.

Posted by: hettiemae | May 4, 2007, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

If these guys met the girl in a bar, and paid with dinner and a diamond bracelet, we’d call it a relationship. Why, if they give the $1,000 in cash instead of merchandise, do we make it illegal?

Posted by: Sheila | May 4, 2007, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Well said, John. It is NOT a victimless crime.
“The families and significant others of the men who engage in prostitution will also pay a price in disease, relationship trauma, and the social chaos of dysfunctional families. The greater culture, often asked to pick up the costs of the damage done by others, is also victimized. ”
If you haven’t lived the horrible reality of the victimized family and the costs associated with it – then you can’t possibly understand how “victimless” doesn’t at all apply to prostitution – in all it’s forms.
I’ve lived it and I’ve been victimized. And there are millions more like me.

Posted by: K | May 4, 2007, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Let’s get all of these escort women in court, get the naked truth, and get them to bare all. Let’s get to the bottom of this. Let’s get down to the nitty gritty. Subpoena all of the clients. Post their pictures on My Space.

Posted by: Bob | May 4, 2007, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

This is victimless crime, and it shows that no matter what is happening in this country, the government STILL has too much free time.

Posted by: Angie | May 4, 2007, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Grandma, it is victimless. If the wife is not familiar with the sexual habits of her husband, whos to blame? Her husband for concealing his habits or the wife for being naive and not having her husband open up? Blaming this profession is like blaming guns for shootings instead of blaming the shooter.

Posted by: MB | May 4, 2007, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

MB, often men and women who use these services are sexually addicted just as a person can be addicted to gambling, drugs, alcohol, etc.
Addicts LIE. Addicts conceal and are masters of it.
Spouses who are unaware of the lying, concealing partners’ hidden habits are not naive. They are being played.
To suggest culpability on the part of the person often innocent spouse and family is just mean and ignorant.

Posted by: K | May 4, 2007, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Prostitution IS legal in DC…
it’s called “POLITICS”

Posted by: Andrew | May 4, 2007, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

I think I’m going to open a drug/alcohol rehab center. If the names on this list are released, you can bet that they have an “addiction problem” and will be “seeking treatment”.
I could make millions!!!!!

Posted by: stinkerboy | May 4, 2007, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

Interesting how this discussion devolves into sound bites like “it’s a victim-less crime” and partisan sniping like “I wish I believed in God so I could petetion him to kill the right wing nuts!”.
Prostitution has been mostly illegal in this country forever. It’s an illegal activity. If you want to change that get lawmakers to change the law. Run on the pro-hooker ticket and see what happens.

Posted by: Dan | May 4, 2007, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

A non-story about a glorified pimp brilliantly using the media to appear as anything but. This is like worrying about a stain on the carpet when the house is on fire. Lots of people here keen on ruining lives (innocent or not) for their own self-righteous enjoyment.

Posted by: james67 | May 4, 2007, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Print the list.
All of it.

Posted by: curious | May 4, 2007, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Who is Miss Julia kidding? No guy in his right mind would pay $300 to chat up some bimbo, something he could do for free with his old lady at home. That kind of serious cash means getting off in ways you could only dream about with your old lady. Every old fart in DC politics knows this and that’s why Julia has been doing so well satisfying a serious need.

Posted by: zenman | May 4, 2007, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

The older woman fantasy has now replaced the lesbian and interracial fantasies in our males imaginations. I wonder what the implications of that are.

Posted by: Larry | May 4, 2007, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

All glory to the US National Sex Police, they strike again. Taliban is not inappropriate at all. They are the fundamentalist extreme wing of Islam, just as the evangilicals make up the fundamentalist extreme right wing of Christians. Their need to control everyone else to their thinking is exactly the same.
Whether the majority in society or a minority of individuals like or dislike prostitution, or sexual fantasy exchange, or even homosexuality, it should not be within their right to force their sex morals on others. That is the real issue here.
As far as sexually transmitted diseases, they are spread by sex whether money exchanges hands or not. Those particularly concerned can protect themselves by not engaging in it.
As far as families hurt by cheating husbands, that is a personal issue for those families, not society’s place to try and legislate. And that issue really lies with the cheating spouse, not his culprit in sex.

Posted by: Mary Hysmith | May 4, 2007, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

The prosecution should just fold. What is wrong with an escort service? Ever been on the road for weeks? It’s a little depressing eating out by yourself. A 90 min escort would be most welcome to provide some company and conversation during a meal.

Posted by: John | May 4, 2007, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

I think people need to mind their own business for a change, and like another poster said, spending money on a woman during a “date” isn’t any different than prostitution. There are many single and married females trolling for men with a fat wallet.

Posted by: Jeff | May 4, 2007, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

FYI…not all of us Christians are Bible thumping hypocrites. I believe that prostitution should be legal but is abhorrent…just like abortion and the death penalty. The tragedy is that so many Christians, especially the evangelicals, cannot be satisfied in a live and let live world, relying only on their own examples to convert people, and are constantly exposed as hypocrites. This results in the ULITIMATE sin, which is to turn far more people AWAY from Jesus than towards him. My message to my Christian brethren is to SHUT UP, stop preaching at people, and live quiet lives of example. I’m afraid, however, that hypocritical and pious people will always be with us and thus so will prostitution.

Posted by: kenney | May 4, 2007, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

Who cares!

Posted by: joe | May 4, 2007, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

It’s great to know that the Justice Department has cleaned up terrorist cells, high crimes, bribery and billions of fraud and has the resources to spend on trivial issues such as this.
Makes you wonder how the US Attorney General approved going forward with the initial investigation.
I hope all of her records become public.

Posted by: geek | May 4, 2007, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

I can’t understand the chadenfreude of people who need to see others suffer and be hurt over something like this. Does it matter who used this company’s services? If it’s legal and acceptable for them to go and enjoy sexual relations with strangers without money changing hands, what is it about the money being involved that changes the whole thing so much?
I really don’t think anyone was hurt by this. The women seem to all have been involved of their own accord, and this madam obviously did an excellent job of covering herself, though it’s clear that the text of the contracts and the actual requirements of the job were contradictory. That is not the fault of this Madam, but of the system of laws (and wasted money on moral law enforcement) that forced her to do this to protect herself.
Outlaw a thing in demand and you can only succeed in turning a decent above-board market into a black market. But putting a stop to the activity? Can’t be done.

Posted by: James Deppeler | May 4, 2007, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

Ms.Palfrey is doing the nation a public service by outting these hypocrites.
Most of her clients pretended to be to be fervent in their attitudes toward god,family and country but were quite content to lead double lives and engage in the same moral lapses as those they would critise.
This situation goes far beyond escorts and really has to do with these mens character:If they would so easily discard their political and moral beliefs for short term personal satisfaction,then they should and can not be trusted with integral affairs of state.
What if groups such as Al-Qaeda begin to use prostitutes in order to procure information regarding national security?
These people (Palfrey’s clients)are not only weak morally but more importantly can not be trusted.
They betrayed their families,friends,colleagues and this country all for the persuit of pleasure.

Posted by: Pierre Talley | May 4, 2007, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

What’s the matter with you people that are dying to see the names made public? Is it so you can point the finger at someone else to make yourselves feel better about your own sins and shortcomings?

Posted by: Jeff | May 4, 2007, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

Kenney: An intelligent, rational, reasonable approach. Thank you. [However, I do like all voices to be sounded - just not loudly while I'm trying to sleep.]

Posted by: an analyst | May 4, 2007, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Why can’t we just learn to stay out of other peoples business. This practice whether these women slept with the men or not is an age old genra that is practiced all over the world. If a woman/man wants to sell their body, it’s their right to do so not the governments or anybody elses for that matter.

Posted by: Cooki | May 4, 2007, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Having sex with stranger men not of your choosing would not be a fun job. Men who have to pay for sex are probably pretty damned creepy, they can’t get it for free because they are so eccentric or ugly or foul in some way. The women must have “needed” some extra cash. They are little better than the junkies who hang out on the street corners looking for someone to screw so they can buy their next fix.
I agree, disclose ALL names. Prostitution is illegal in this country, and if they were committing any other crime their identities would be revealed. I would REALLY like to hear about all of the “family values” Republicans who used this service, so their grotesque hypocrisy can be further revealed.

Posted by: sandra | May 4, 2007, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Quick! Someone please explain to me the difference between selling or buying adult consentual sex at a rate of a few hundred dollars for a couple of hours nad buying or selling adult consentual sex for groceries, an SUV, someone to do the laundy regularly and pay the monthly mortgage payment.
Oh, that’s right…the hourly prostitue never laments, “not tonight. I have a headache.”
But beyond that?

Posted by: Zach | May 4, 2007, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

God, Americans are so prudish. Who cares what happens between two consenting adults? Why is prostitution illegal? If the government actually cared about the victims or the crime they would make it legal and regulate the hell out of it like they do in Europe or Nevada. By making it illegal the government puts all the power in the hands of abusive criminals making the entire operation dangerous both to client and prostitute and collect no tax money. As a consequence they spend more money trying to irradicate the worlds oldest profession (impossible) and the women who work in the sex trade are treated as disposable pieces of meat, ie no benefits, no health care, no social security.

Posted by: Stanford Browning | May 4, 2007, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

I think it’s hysterical when these swaggering, pompous hypocrits get exposed. Expose them all! They did something illegal. If they will commit one crime they will commit another. Obviously, being dishonest doesn’t bother their conscience. I don’t think we should mind our business at all. If you see one roach, there are 1,000 more hiding in the cracks.

Posted by: LMAO | May 4, 2007, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

The main reason prostitution is illegal is pure politcs. Enforcement against prostitution is spotty at best and is based on how much of a nuissance it is (like a hoard of streetwalkers). Or what kind of juicy scandal it can bring, Like Pamela MArtin or the Heidi Fliess mess
Legalize it and you have no scandal but then again the democrats & the MSM will lose one of their favorite weapons against republicans. Hypocracy indeed, I’m quite sure there are a number of democrats in those 42 pounds of records, why haven’t they been outed yet hmmmmm. ;o) Food for thought

Posted by: crazytrpr | May 4, 2007, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

I am baffled what this has to do with Taliban or Wahabi? Every country has their own moral values & own laws.
As a society, we have to draw a moral line; as a state we have to draw a legal system. If law is broken, then those who broke the law has to be held accountable.
Lets law takes its own course. Why is this such a big deal? If Miss Julie abused her business ethics, she need to pay the penalty. Period.

Posted by: Cohen | May 4, 2007, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

In reponse to “an analyst” stating that prostitution is “not a victimless crime” – let me thank you! That’s the best laugh I’ve had in a while.

Posted by: BuckeyeDave | May 4, 2007, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Victim-less crime? May I address THAT point, as a person who cousels people regularly…first are we to believe that all these men are single, unattached, unmarried men??? A sizeable percentage are “cheating” on someone…risking a marriage or relationship…so they can step out of “the real world” into an “artificial fantasy world” (that they had to pay for, by the way). Do we think the spouse or girlfriend’s emotional/relational pain if this “fantasy” became known, doesn’t cause someone great pain or confusion? Too many relationships are destroyed by this kind of “fantasy” behavior…thus detroying families, perhaps kids…even extended relationships with family and friends…as is often the result when marriages or committed relationships go south. Come one “victims” are everywhere in this type of thing. Not counting the women who need money so bad they are willing to “play the part” for some guy whose willing to pay them. What about that womens self esteem, emotions, her relationships…her future relationships…any potential harm there??? You bet there is…unfortunately she may not discover it till its too late, somewhere down the road. And then the men themsleves? How sad must it be when a man needs to “pay” someone to “pretend” a role in his “fantasy”??? What wounds are in this guy? What causes a man to sell out his “real world” for a “fantasy”…and at such a great risk??? Victims…yes there are too many…so let’s not use the “freedom of consenting adults” agrument here…because far more people are affected than those “playing in the fantasy”…and the result ain’t pretty!

Posted by: BrianO | May 4, 2007, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Tax It!
Legalize it and STOP WASTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS!

Posted by: Diop | May 4, 2007, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Prostitution should NOT be legalized. There are way too many victims and problems. Diop, you must think all of the prostitutes are like Julia Roberts’ character in “Pretty Woman”, all healthy and nice with customers who are clean and handsome and wonderful and want to marry. The reality of prostitution is far different. Think about it … would you want your daughter to be a prostitute ? Or your mother or sister ? I didn’t think so.

Posted by: Jane | May 4, 2007, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Stop worrying about prostitution and worry about liberals and all their wacky ideas.

Posted by: Jeff | May 4, 2007, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Bern said:
“A victimless crime? This is not victimless. This is spreading STDs, hurting marriages and further pushing out the limits on what “Pleasure” is. Sex is a wonderful thing in a marriage. Try working on your marriage. Prostitution is not victim-less.”
Sounds like you are speaking from experience. Which is fine, but let others learn the hard way too.

Posted by: jack smith | May 4, 2007, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Did Bill Clinton have a 90 minute ‘appointment’ with Monica? Hmmm…everyone was given an alias name because nothing bad was going on, and only good people were enjoying each other’s company. Me thinks this whore director needs more than money for her defense if she thinks anyone but you gullible posters believe this.
As they say, ‘a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’.

Posted by: Matt | May 4, 2007, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Only if ‘those’ darn housewives would put out for their husbands would prostitution be on the way out or at least be a very small part of the equation.

Posted by: TJR | May 4, 2007, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

These women targeted men they thought had money. They say they did not perform sex acts and were a fantasy or escort service to these men in order to lure them in to their businesses. They performed sex acts and established relationships with these married men. It’s all about money. We are stupid as a society to get lured into this and to think no sex took place. In an age of AIDS, we are fools to condone this sort of behavior. That’s what marriage is for – it’s legal, true, and safe. Men wake up!

Posted by: Nikki | May 4, 2007, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Those of you who keep ranting about this being consentual acts between two adults should think of this. Do you also support drug sales between adults? Do you support unrestricted gun sales between adults? Prostitution is not just between the two adults, it affects the relationships of the two adults, their children, and anyone else they have relationships with in the future. Far too many third parties end up with diseases because of a supposedly monogamous partner. Far too many kids lose one or both parents due to divorce and diseases.
That is why prostitution is a crime, not because of two adults, it is because of the their families and kids.

Posted by: Wayne | May 4, 2007, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Why isn’t the ACLU on this case suing for the constitutional right to engage in prostitution?

Posted by: Joe | May 4, 2007, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Jack Smith says…”let others learn the hard way.”
That’s the problem here Jack…the “hard way” produces victims…that’s why its not a victim-less crime here.
You can gain “wisdom” one of two ways:
you learn from others instruction, guidance and pain
or
you learn THROUGH painful experiences yourself
The problem with “learning through pain yourself” is that it produces “victims”…you, the those you are with, and usually others around your life as well…so “your painful lesson” has a ripple effect on many others…and that is why this is not a Victim-less crime, so let’s be real about this shall we?

Posted by: BrianO | May 4, 2007, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

STD’s? Crime victims? These conservatives will say anything to trap us all in some monochrome Father Knows Best facade of a society. If your religious beliefs say prostitution is a sin, then don’t sin. If you do sin, that’s between you and God. Conservatives, get over yourselves. Live your life the way you want and we on the left will do the same.

Posted by: Bob E. | May 4, 2007, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

“Prostitution should NOT be legalized. There are way too many victims and problems.”
The victims you are referring to become victims of society, not the act themselves. For example, women become victims because of pimps running the show at this time. They suffer from emotional distress because society likes to dury them with insults for doing the same thing that trophy wives of CEOs do. Legalizing and accepting this practice would probably do away with it. People say it won’t work, but yet they don’t want to try it to back their claim.

Posted by: MB | May 4, 2007, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

She kept better records than the government. Paid her and her employees paid there taxes.
I say lets put her on the government payroll.

Posted by: jlg | May 4, 2007, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

It’s a proven FACT that the more powerful the man the higher his sex drive. Maybe their wives weren’t meeting their needs.
All this is a joke…we have a government that sees nothing wrong with raping the wallets of its citizens every year on April 15th but a few guys getting a blow job is somehow a criminal offense.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!

Posted by: BIGasTexas | May 4, 2007, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Correct you are, MB. Many gold digging women are nothing more than prostitutes themselves who marry rich men.

Posted by: Jeff | May 4, 2007, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

What’s all this about the hypocrytical men. THe “girls” were supposedly mature older women, trolling for cash the old fashioned way. Certainly doesn’t seem like they were victims they got cash and broadened their social horizons. What if one of the names on the distaff side of the list is a certain mature female prez candiate looking for an additional source of campaign revenue, while getting something she can’t get at home. We may see some real hypocracy on that side of the coin.
Spot

Posted by: Spot | May 4, 2007, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

This is a direct quote from the companion article, a quote from one of the poor victim girls, a legal assistant at a large DC firm where, with overtime typing six figures is possible -
“Perhaps not the weekly grind, but was thinking that a day a week would be fun and spa money,” the legal secretary wrote to Palfrey last year, after Palfrey had closed her business and was considering whether to re-open it.
As CHarlie Sheen said – he paid the money for them to shut up & leave.
A bunch of lost, sorry causes on both sides of it – but apparenly none of them
victims.
Spot

Posted by: Spot | May 4, 2007, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

What guy on the planet would pay $300/hr for a woman to just talk to him? ROFLMAO!!

Posted by: Mark | May 4, 2007, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Don: Of curse we are both speaking in hypotheticals? Politics does make strange bedfellows, though. LOL
Spot

Posted by: SPot | May 4, 2007, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

What seems to be lacking in these stories is the undeniable spread of STDs. A recent study in the news found that something like 45% of 20 year olds had genital warts. That, and diseases like them are killers.

Posted by: Thawk | May 4, 2007, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

The women aren’t the victims here, making cash hand over fist, they are more like reptiles to me.

Posted by: Don | May 4, 2007, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Interesting discussion … while an average of 3 US troops are killed in Iraq!

Posted by: me | May 4, 2007, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

I have just read all of the postings and find the same arguments filled with emotional and angry comments. Perhaps the best idea is to look at the reality of the facts. Prostitution will not stop. Ever. As long as there are women willing to sell, and men willing to buy, it will continue and should thus be regulated and taxed. STDs are transmitted with or without money changing hands. If prostitution were legal, and regulated as it is in much of the rest of the world (not everyone shares such conservative values) prostitutes, johns, and the rest of the ‘victims’ of prostitution would be rendered much more safe.
Much of the danger of prostitution arises from it being illegal, from pimps abusing women to those with substance abuse issues. It is the street deal and the back alley sex act that is dangerous, not the high priced call girls.
Essentially, this whole fiasco is becoming just another right versus the left event in which there are no winners. The money spent on this affair would be better spent on regulating the law students and med students etc who are willingly involved in the sex trade, and offering help and social programs for those who are forced into it and have no other recourse.

Posted by: amlamb | May 4, 2007, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

Prostitution is a victim less crime. The people that are involved in it are all consenting. Don’t give me this crap that the girls are the victims. They choose the work. They make the decision. They are adults and have that right. The other argument was that it causes STDs and damages marriages. That only hurts the individuals involved. We live in a free (arguably) society. If you are only hurting yourself then it’s no one’s business what you are doing. Laws like this are just as dumb as seat belt laws for adults. If you don’t want to wear a seatbelt and you get killed you are doing society a favor by removing yourself from the gene pool. What else do you know that you it is legal to give someone freely, yet illegal to charge for? While the behavior may be morally wrong it should hardly be illegal.

Posted by: JY | May 4, 2007, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

THere is sure to be a serious crunch in the DC hotel and restaurant industry for the short term future. Has anyone determined the ripple effect upon the economy-especially with Palfry no longer paying taxes?

Posted by: Spot | May 4, 2007, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

It’s sad that this country can’t get over it! I mean “it” by, consenting adults enjoying themselves in the privacy of their own environment. This women, and the women that worked for her were all consenting adults as were their clients. Everyone was happy with what they were doing, no one got hurt. What the hell was so wrong with it? The powers that be need to spend tax payers money on the “Real” criminals in this country.

Posted by: Bill | May 4, 2007, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

For those who say this level of prostitution (we’re not talking about pimp slaves here) is not victimless and cite consequences to marriages, the supposed spread of STDs and so on, don’t those sorts of objections also apply to adultery, fornication, swingers, the singles scene and all manner of Internet communities, and so on? Should those all be banned legally as well? Should practitioners of those activities be “outed” in public, arrested, lose their jobs? If they are not all “victimless” by your definition, then why not?
And all you lefties who think the moral objections to this sort of thing are confined to your imaginary nemeses in religious communities, allow me to remind you that there are plenty of moralizers on the left who are equally rigid about this issue and equally impervious to facts or arguments that contradict them. They too know what’s best for everyone else, and their doctrine is just as fixed.

Posted by: freetotem | May 4, 2007, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

The spread of STDs would be lessened if prostitution were made legal, and compulsory testing was required.
Our social laws are so twisted.. consider this:
It’s illegal to pay to have sex with a consenting adult, but it’s legal if you have sex with a paid consenting adult while being videotaped and sell the result as porn.
Keeping prostitution illegal only pushes it underground, makes it more dangerous and unhealthy, and will never eradicate the demand.

Posted by: Anon8 | May 4, 2007, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

I know CLINTON did it..He is the one responsible for this mess…He set the moral tone for the nation. CONservatives and were only attempting to do him one better.

Posted by: Ron Phoenix, Az | May 4, 2007, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Reply to LEZAH regarding Tom Czech.
I do not know anything about Mr.Czech beyond what was in the articles I mentioned. The article says that he had to get a restraining order against Palfrey to stop harrassment. That should be a matter of public record. I am confident that one if not both of the publications I cited checked this out before it went in the article.
Beyond that, there is more in the articles which should make any reasonable person suspicious of Ms. Palfrey’s motifs and tactics.
I notice you did not deny that she is a convicted felon who has already served time once for pimping.

Posted by: mixon,m | May 4, 2007, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

How does society draw the line between what is acceptable and what is not? “Keep your morality off my body”, “Morality should have no place in a secular society’s laws”, and such slogans are cute, but terribly misguided. At some point society MUST step in, guided by some objective morality/conscience and say what is acceptable or not for itself. Without it — if everyone truly were allowed to do what they felt they wanted to do — anarchy would prevail and the society would implode.
But whose morality? Yours? Mine? God’s? Man has historically looked to religion to guide their morality because they believed their G/god to be transcendent and objective – higher than man’s ways. Recently though, secular humanism has led us to believe that religion is only a human construct, and therefore all moralities are equally as valid, unless one’s morality “imposes” on another’s. I argue that there is an ultimate morality hemmed into the conscience of every human – it is simply out of choice and habit that we choose to ignore it.
If there was a national referendum today on legalizing prostitution, it would be defeated in a landslide. Is this because of the “evangelicals” and “right-wing zealots”? NO, it is because somewhere ingrained deep within us, we know that selling sex as a commodity violates basic human moral law, just as we know that murdering someone violates the same.
It is very revealing from many the posts here how much anti-religious and specifically anti-Christian hatred there really is out there… and I don’t quite understand where it comes from. So many of you make it sound as if a great shroud of intolerant religious and moral oppression has suddenly descended over American society, limiting the people’s ability to enjoy the most basic of human freedoms. I’m confused by this, since the United States has, from its inception, has enjoyed the most open and free society the world has ever known, and was founded in Judeo-Christian ethics and morality. Today, the U.S. is even more free and open than ever before. If you want to see REAL religious intolerance, take a look at the video posted yesterday of the Kurdish teenage girl who was convicted and executed BY HER FAMILY for MAYBE having an improper relationship with an Islamic young man. Let me know when America gets there and maybe then some of you might have religious oppression to complain about.

Posted by: Shawn | May 4, 2007, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

The list was submitted to ABC news. If this organization’s job is to report the news why haven’t they published the list? Instead they have decided to capitalize on their exclusive access to this information. What this means is that ABC news is the conduit for this information. They decide what and when the public gets to see. Instead of simply reporting what they know, they withhold and reshape this to fit their business model.

Posted by: max | May 4, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

As long as there is a “woman behind every man”, and especially behind every male law maker, prostitution will never be legal in this country.
The thought of a man being able to go elsewhere other than his mate or potential mate for sex and the thought of losing the manipulative power that comes from being able to either grant or deny that pleasure exclusively, will never be an option to the female collective of our tribe.
Generally women prefer fidelity and monogamy. Men on the other hand prefer something else now and again but (all emotional attachments aside)wouldn’t dare jeopardize a sure thing for that occasional fling.
It just goes against everything that our culture has ingrained in both the men and women of our hive.
These are called morays. And for better or worse we got em’ and for the most part live by them without a thought.
Should prostitution be legal? I agree with most here. Yes.
Will it become so?
Not in the life time of anyone writing here today, I’m afraid.

Posted by: Zach | May 4, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

“It is highly unlikely that there are any democrats on the list since they got it and their office for free. That is just amazing.
Posted by: glenn | May 4, 2007 11:54:38 AM”
You almost got it right. You should have said:
It is highly unlikely that there are any democrats on the list since they got their hand son the list first (ala ABC). They’ll make sure only Republicans and Republican supporters are identified, and ‘conveniently misplace’ any Democrat on the list. 49 pounds of phone records, and Washington is populated mostly by Democrats. What are the odds?
Posted by: glenn | May 4, 2007 11:54:38 AM

Posted by: Slip | May 4, 2007, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

It’s good to know that as I leave for my third year long tour to the middle east in less than 6 years, I’m still defending the same disgusting people that want to take advantage of the rights we have here in this country. The First Amendment rights that we all have the opportunity to exercise on a daily basis in this country are whored out just as much as the women in this story. I pray every night for the future of my one year old son, my unborn child, and the future of this country. We are a young country and I have a feeling that the rest of the world is growing tired of our sophmoric antics.

Posted by: Nate | May 4, 2007, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

This is a story as it allows us commoners a way to measure truthfulness among those higher ups who claim to be honest and “family” oriented. I disagree with Zach and further propose that Zach is likely not among the married, and if he is he won’t be for long, because each spose should take the responsibility of satisfying the other as their personal quest in life. Males (most males) have brains located in their skulls, not between their legs, while the second head voices its opinion often, the upper head should prevail in logical debates. Don’t give males excuses for abondoning their marital bliss in exchange for a mindless act, expose them all and watch the males flee and the real men remain.

Posted by: Mac | May 4, 2007, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

This story should be a wake-up call to all americans. Here we are a nation being threatened by terrorists who want to destroy every american and our way of life, and at this imoprtant time we are wasting money on escort stings.
Instead of utilizing this money to keep our country safe, we are just exposing a bunch of lonely men who are looking to have some harmless fun. It looks like our country is right on top of things.
People speak of disease, well lets see, what would stop anyone from picking up a drunk sleezy woman in a bar and having sex with her without a condom. If a man doesn’t have the best looks and wants to have sex with a beautiful woman, what is the big deal if he has to pay for it?
I can’t believe these people are being exposed to the public. I guess people are so malicious that they like to see other peoples lives being destroyed.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, that madam looks like a big fat rat to me.

Posted by: Kevin | May 4, 2007, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

3500 dead US soldiers is the real crime.
When do the impeachment hearings start.
300,000 dead Iraqis is a war crime.
Guess the Federal prosecutors are all from Goodlings school of Justice.
Shame!

Posted by: h keller | May 4, 2007, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

I read about a month ago that a brothel in
cologne, germany offers half off to seniors between noon and 5pm on weekdays.
What a difference betweeen Germany and the U.S. where here we get arrrested and there
they get a discount! I am looking forward to seeing who’s on the list. Wouldn’t it be a real kick if some really high ups were on it!

Posted by: fred | May 4, 2007, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

Wow, what an incredible array of opinions. I’m impressed. I was arrested on the same charges in 1996. Unfortunately, nothing has changed. Geraldo and Dateline called my lawyer. Penny Crone was at my house. I had coffee with a producer from Michael Moore’s camp. I also had a high-profile case being the first big escort business since the Mayflower Madam in NJ and NJ. Let me put this business into perspective as you are all just guessing at how it works. This is a “date” between two consenting adults except that money is being exchanged. Some people run their own businesses and some work with escort services. The Madam is not a pimp. She is doing the same job as travel or real estate agent. She’s the go-between for two clients. It’s a real simple business. I spoke with a famous Constitutional lawyer and he told me this is the same law as Roe v. Wade, your body, your choice. This is a religious and moral issue, not a legal one. We are still getting arrested in 2007, where there is no victim, and some are serving jail time, especially in California where it is usually three years mandatory, ie Heidi Fleiss. We are more careful with our bodies than two drunk people at a bar jumping into bed with each other. We just want to be able to run our own businesses. Since the advent of the internet, there are literally thousands of appointments going on every hour in the United States without any problems or help from the government. Finally, a case that proves that people in the system use these services. We’ve all had judges, cops, firemen, government employees, etc. use our services. I had a huge client list, but they just wanted to get me. My story is more interesting than the DC Madam’s. I had undercover female cops infiltrate my business. It’s time for this subject to be taken seriously. I wish she would fight for a change in the law instead of saying she was selling fantasy. It shouldn’t matter what went on behind closed doors, the client is paying for “time”. We are all big boys and girls and can take care of ourselves. It would be a much safer business if it were decriminalized. Let’s get the ball rolling and not let this get swept under the carpet. I’m ready for a fight.

Posted by: Madam X | May 4, 2007, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

In regards to shawn’s comments:
“Man has historically looked to religion to guide their morality because they believed their G/god to be transcendent and objective – higher than man’s ways.” this is a horribly ethnocentric perspective on the role and reasoning behond the G/god concept. Long before people considered god(s) to be omniscient, omnipotent, and transcendent, and objective (smiting is never the result of objectivity, may I add), humans CREATED gods. They did this to answer the basic questions in life. Where did we come from? where will we go? why do good things happen to bad people? etc…
“Recently though, secular humanism has led us to believe that religion is only a human construct” This is so very true. Secularism has allowed for advances in science, understanding of the human psyche, and the remainder of the natural world.
Shawn continues on to say that:
“If there was a national referendum today on legalizing prostitution, it would be defeated in a landslide. Is this because of the “evangelicals” and “right-wing zealots”? NO, it is because somewhere ingrained deep within us, we know that selling sex as a commodity violates basic human moral law, just as we know that murdering someone violates the same.”
Now really, I see “thou shalt not kill” in the ten commandments, but I see nothing about “thou shalt not sell thy body and sexuality for money”.
Prostitution is neither an issue of the similar morality as killing, nor is it a matter of ‘coveting thy neighbor’ This is a matter of western, idealized morality that has been sold to the public with little reference to the real history behind the issues, and certainly very little free thought.
And to be perfectly honest, I could have sworn that Mary Magdelalene was known throughout the bible as a prostitute and she she earned the love and respect of Jesus himself. I thought that people were supposed to learn by example from the bible, not choose discriminately from it.

Posted by: amlamb | May 4, 2007, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

I find it very amusing that it is news worthy to comment on men sleeping with escorts. Do they rent porn too? This is a joke and who really cares? Did these girls get raped or did they go willing to collect some money. Are men not paying for sex when they spend 150 dollars on dinner?

Posted by: Cross | May 4, 2007, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

I think what’s really interesting is to examine the prosecutor’s reaction to the “crimes” here. The supplier of the “service” is persecuted, but the gov. doesn’t care about the johns. But imagine if they were providing drugs? Ohh, Ho! Now let’s fill the jails with the users, on the taxpayer’s dime. Geez Louise…I’d love to know who complained about this “service” to the cops/prosecutors – don’t they have anyone better to harrass (like illegals)?

Posted by: Terri | May 4, 2007, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

IS 20/20 joking every person on that list is NEWS WORTHY!!! COWARDS all news outlets COWARDS. What has happened? Where are the tough questions? Why are they not asking her customers if it was protitution.
Why waste anytime on the story at all…? We do have two wars going on

Posted by: Hd | May 4, 2007, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

“People don’t want you to really be free. You can talk about it, but you can’t really be free. They won’t let you. They’ll do almost anything to stop you from being free.”
Easy Rider 1969?

Posted by: Dan | May 4, 2007, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

thou shall not sell body= SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
Sorry dear no sex outside of marriage.

Posted by: same | May 4, 2007, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

I was married to a D.C. lobbyist for close to 20 years — he lived a double life: openly conservative and Republican representing some of this country’s best known all-American icons of agricultural-based commerce; the other half of his time (unbeknownst to his trusting, completely supportive spouse and mother of his three thriving, successful, beautiful children) was spent: (1)buying and using illegal drugs, (2)gambling to pay for them, and (3)soliciting prostitutes around the country for so many years, in so many states and on so many business trips, he morphed into an online personality that other “like-minds” sought at a website for his advice and recommendations on the services available on street corners and behind car washes in different U.S. cities. First time he got caught, he invoked religion for the first time, begged my forgiveness, and became a Promise-Keeper. Second time, I left him for good. Now I’m married to an honest Democrat (and have switched political parties to join him.) I applaud this woman because I’m certain that as a result, at least one burnt-out, fed-up D.C. soccer-mom-with-more-intelligence-and-education-than-thy-spouse will find great inner peace and happiness when the names are revealed. As my pastor told me — he only admitted to it all once he got caught… go get ‘em.

Posted by: Sharon | May 4, 2007, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

Some of the people named should have been named due to their jobs. Who would know or care about a local business owner. And I’m sure if more democrats had been in power their names would have shown up. It seems like everything has a political slant. Whom ever is in power the news media looks at them. And most of the time what they see should be talked about. This is still America. if I want to read or see America’s version of Pravda i’ll watch Fox news!

Posted by: luckybar | May 5, 2007, 12:46 am 12:46 am

I empathize with ladies who have bills to pay – since Bush got in, so many high-paying jobs have vanished. This line of work is sadly exploitative, and degrades both sides of the equation.

Posted by: Danny | May 5, 2007, 1:23 am 1:23 am

having some experience in the sex industry I think that brothels if regulated like the Bunny ranch is a great idea and the government could tax it accordingly and make a ton of money! This is a straight forward way to sleep with a hot girl (even though obviously the person running it told her girls over and over it’s not prostitution it’s escorting) The girls at the bunny ranch are clean and they use condoms! Just because a girl is a prostitute it doesn’t mean she has every STD known to man! And the guy makes the choice to flip to the escort section of the yellow pages it’s not the girls business if he’s married or not! The girl isn’t destroying the marriage the guy is! The girl barely knows the guy unless he’s a regular customer. I do agree that kind of work shouldn’t be a permenant career. Do you think a phone sex operator destroy’s marriages? The guy put in the credit card number HIMSELF he picked the girl HIMSELF he JO’ed HIMSELF without talking about his wife (most of the time) and the girl has no clue what he does normally trust me I know that was my last job I know a lot about that. HA!! peace out

Posted by: Goob | May 5, 2007, 1:51 am 1:51 am

This country is “going to hell in a hand basket” anyway, so what does it matter? At the very least she paid taxes, which is more than most do it seems.

Posted by: Skull | May 5, 2007, 7:07 am 7:07 am

looks like no ones bringin armies in to keep the girls from speakin sin!!!

Posted by: ravin black | May 5, 2007, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Where are the heck are most of you? There’s escorts in almost every town across this land. Mormon territory, baptist territory, thumper territory and hedonist territory. They are independent or work thru an agency (very much like other personal services). They are clearly only selling time, although the expectation — on both sides — usually includes sex. Most are honest and voluntarily participating. For most, I think, actually the companionship is the real value– just as advertised. For many clients, the outlet is much safer than bars, affairs outside of marriage, streetwalkers, or pent up frustration. The time is valuable to many because they are either not married, have an unresponsive spouse, or are traveling a long way from home.
For the most part escorts provide a safe, clean, disease free alternative.
As for those of you who think there is a victim in all of this, I can’t understand who can be damaged by sensible use. I guess it’s like alcohol and gambling. Responsible use is healthy. Compulsive or excessive use can be harmful, and don’t participate if you are driving or operating machinery or are nursing or pregnant!
We certainly have better things–and more important things to do than conduct witch hunts on escorts or their clients!

Posted by: ralphie | May 5, 2007, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Since you conservative bashers are salivating at the thought of high ranking officials being on the list, how come she only provided names in the last 4 years?? Does she have an agenda beyond her defense? Or has Bubba’s people made a deal with her so they stay out of the equation? Let’s see the names during the previous administration too!!

Posted by: DickyV | May 5, 2007, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Considering that she became rich at the expense of her clients, the least she could do in return was to protect their identity which is part of the service. Instead of protecting her clients by agreeing to a 4 month sentence, she is chose to act out the low-life person which she really is.

Posted by: She is A horrible Person | May 5, 2007, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

“From career professionals to graduate students, most women who came to Palfrey to work did so because they needed money — to pay off credit card debt, cover school loans or pay tuition fees, according to Palfrey.”
Honestly, the truth is, any ‘gal’ with true class, true sophistication, true beauty, true intelligence, and genuine elegance would not engage in sex practices just for the money. They would do it as a means of expressing their intense sexual nature, albiet strong sensual personality, and a passion for it.

Posted by: Mariya | May 5, 2007, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

The real pimps and prostitutes are the politicians and the their partners in crime – bureaucrats – who are ripping off the public. It seems as some of these politicians and bureaucrats, and some in the media and so-called TV comedians have already decided that Palfrey is guilty. What a waste of public money but that is what politicians and bureaucrats do best.

Posted by: Danny | May 5, 2007, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Oh Gee Danny, you must have read over the tragic fact that a woman died tragically. I am sure you just forgot to mention how sad that is, or once again “no human involved.”

Posted by: jean | May 5, 2007, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

50 year olds, dang that means I’m too old at 66 and she wouldn’t have hired me.
You can bet that the liberal press will edit out the names of any prominent Democrats involved; have you ever noticed how if there is a scandal and it involves a Republican congressman he always has the (R) after his name, but if it’s a Democrat thats ommited? Ahh, the sins of omission.

Posted by: Pammie | May 5, 2007, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

I’m sorry, but since when did ABC decide what news is good for the nation? We demand the list of names that ABC is now refusing to release because of it’s ‘sensitive’ nature. Excuse me. But the law is for everyone, not just the elite, who can by pass notoriety by calling a ‘news’ staion and having a story killed. We want the names of the higher ups, and if it comes to a lawsuit, no problem.

Posted by: Paul Wylie | May 5, 2007, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin
” When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” -Sinclair Lewis
While I have a number of oppinions regarding the actual subject at hand, I find the most fasinating conversation to be the one that happens most often in our great land…how interesting that as the same land which values freedom of speech finds its citizens polarized and shouting at each other from one side to the other.
As a note to Grandma, I don’t personally believe that expressing a frustration with the hypocracy one often finds with conservative or evangelical Christians constitutes, ‘bashing’ but gentle lady, I am sorry you feel attacked. We must look as a nation on all sides at the ways in which we have serious double-standards and hypocracies, and strive to correct them; even as we strive to hear each other, not just out-shout.

Posted by: Fasinated by Your Comments | May 6, 2007, 12:00 am 12:00 am

I think it’s ridiculous to protect the names of the men but prosecute the women. If it’s a crime..it’s a crime.
But therein lies the problem in my opinion. How much better to legalize and regulate the ‘world’s oldest profession’. It isn’t going to go away, and we could have less violence and disease associated with it if we’d do so.
Along with our ridiculous ‘war on drugs’, our obsession with punishing ‘victimless crimes’ has turned the United States into the Prison State of the world. We, who claim to love freedom have a much larger percentage of non-violent citizens imprisoned than any other country on earth. Something is wrong here. We need to base laws on societal need, not religious superstition and dogma. For infringing on the rights of others or hurting the environment, we need laws. Otherwise, I’d like to see less governmental interference in our lives!

Posted by: Tricia A | May 6, 2007, 7:59 am 7:59 am

PRINT THE LIST!
Wonder where our other comments went..
Anyone know?
PRINT Brandy Britton’s Black Book too!
What’s wrong no freedom of speech???
Go ahead delete this one, you already deleted our other comments!
Thanks for nothing!
Guress too HOT to handle!

Posted by: tellthetruth | May 6, 2007, 9:04 am 9:04 am

It is tragic that Brandy Britton killed herself. The johns should have their pictures, names and addresses posted on the internet just like they do with the other sex offenders. Their wives/girlfriends have a right to know. It is so one-sided to expose the women and not the men. They have committed a crime too. Why should only the men be allowed to go for anonymous counseling and have their records expunged afterward?

Posted by: Kay | May 6, 2007, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

What? No dims outed ABC?
I guess that’s about par for your course though,huh?

Posted by: Ro-micro | May 6, 2007, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

her only crime was getting caught. I believe it was an escort service. There are Men (women) in high places that just want an arm piece, when they walk into a dinner, someone who’s attractive, pretty, conversational that they can introduce to their friends. That shouldn’t be a crime. If she’s evading taxes, that’s another issue, but the government just got lucky because it goes on all the time in Washington & D.C.

Posted by: Sally | May 6, 2007, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Adultery will ruin your life. Stay celibate until you find your true love and stay true to your mate. Sexual sin eventually brings death in one form or another.

Posted by: baggerflatchy | May 6, 2007, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

What a bunch of sanctimonious prattle about these events. Let’s stop splitting hairs and work towards a real standard of truth telling. First, women should not have to prostitute themselves to make a living. They should get paid a decent salary closer to that of the men whose spelling, language and grammar they correct. Secondly, the men’s names should be revealed PERIOD. The name of William Kennedy’s victim was revealed, the names of women who have been harassed, supported, raped and beaten are always revealed. HOW ABOUT SOME JUSTICE? HOW ABOUT SHAMING MEN FOR A CHANGE?
Finally, let me define national security once and for all. National Security is all of the things concerned with protecting individual Americans, their constitutional rights, financial health(individually–not corporations), their property rights (see the Constitution and the Federalist papers), their safety and that of the country. NATIONAL SECURITY DOESN’T MEAN PROTECTING THE RIDICULOUS BONUSES OF THE OBSCENELY WEALTHY, THE SECRETS FETISHES OF ANYONE IN OFFICE OR WORKING FOR ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY OR HEINOUS PROGRAMS LIKE MKULTRA.
Maybe if more truth were told, our elected officials and our “elite” would stop behaving like subhumans and begin adopting honorable standards of behavior.
Journalists that protect these scum are not much better than the scum. Here is a fact that all of you need to think about…if you keep protecting these people until they are omnipotent, they definitely won’t need you. Think about that…by the way, if you out them, they will be replaced and you can make sure that the newcomers understand that misbehavior via the exploitation of other human beings is wrong.

Posted by: Madame Karnak | May 6, 2007, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

Why not publish the names? You’re afraid. You’re nothing more than the “Elitists” that they are. Shame on you. But probably tens of millions in your coffer for not publishing the names. No Congressional hearings on this, are there? YOU had the names, what’s your problem? CYA, nothing else.

Posted by: hkp037 | May 6, 2007, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

In response to “Amlamb”:
Thanks for responding. I’m glad someone did!
I’m afraid “Same” is absolutely right in saying that “Do not commit adultery” (I’m not a thee/thou kind of guy…) is right there in “The 10.” I think that counts as “thou shalt not sell thy body and sexuality for money”. The problem is that our society has accepted sex outside of marriage as completely okay… and in fact, if you DON’T sleep with someone before you get married, something’s wrong with you, because what if they’re “BAD IN BED?!?” Who’d want to marry them? We’ve got it so backwards. Sex has become all about “me”. “If it feels so right, how can it be wrong?” has become our mantra. Don’t worry – even though it has become mainstream now, it’s not just a since-the-60s phenomena. It’s been one of the biggest problems throughout all of human history.
And here’s the biggie: sex ISN’T about “you”. It’s supposed to be about the other person. It’s about sharing intimacy – a physical vulnerability between you and the person you most want to know in the whole wide world… and to know you. Sex is about GIVING – not TAKING. That’s what REAL love is… it’s not just a feeling, nor is it just a physical encounter that “feels good”. REAL love is sacrificially giving to someone else, and sex is one of the ultimate expressions of that love, giving your entire self – body, mind, and spirit – to one person for a lifetime. To pay someone for just a physical thrill is the ultimate perversion of what sex is supposed to be. Instead of GIVING yourself freely in love, you pay someone to GET off. It’s 180 degrees backwards. And that (among other reasons) is why prostitution is so wrong.
All that said, I have absolutely no ill-will toward any prostitute, or “John” for that matter. In truth, I feel great compassion and sorrow for them, for whatever their reasons for engaging in the practice. I hope both (and all) people can find a way out. I think this was the view of Jesus with Mary Magdeline. Jesus loved everyone, including the “sinners” and prostitutes, more than we can EVER comprehend. And it’s THAT kind of love that compels us out of our 180 degree-backwards ways and into finding peace with God. I don’t believe I’m choosing discriminately from the Bible whatsoever… in fact, I only hope I can continue to understand its full teachings.

Posted by: Shawn | May 6, 2007, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

American culture and laws are very hostile towards men – everything seems to be against men having any fun. If you are a man living in America , you better off being impotent , because just a little desire to be with opposite sex will most probably get you into some headache. oh well good thing i no longer live in US !

Posted by: Tom | May 6, 2007, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

She set it up so that you can’t really say that she was running a prostitution ring. However, you and I know that at least some of the women are not going to follow her “directions” not to have sex with the clients. I don’t know what to say about this. I’m digressing but … what’s more interesting to me is: how are we going to fight poverty in the world? I think I like presidential contender John Edwards for that reason. He seems interested in expanding the middle class; that is, lifting up the poor, and making it more difficult for people to accumulate amounts of wealth over and above what they need to live a comfortable life.

Posted by: Dave Radmore | May 6, 2007, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

Its a waste of taxpayer money to go after these types of businesses if they are paying their taxes like any business should, are not abusing thier employees or robbing their customers and are making a reasonable effort at maintaining safe practices. Its an adult business and should remain privately so. To persecute those involved is using taxpayers dollars for political purposes with far-out agendas controlled by those in power who are using threats, force, and invasion to secure power over others. I feel this is destinctly undemocratic and a denial of people’s basic freedoms to live their lives. Sure addictive and predatory behavior can enter into this scene, but by decriminalizing it, taking the shame and fear out of it, would empower everyone to more freely take it or leave it. There are tremendously higher risks in going out into the legal bar and club scene getting intoxicated enough to meet up with strangers and drive to someone’s unknown home.

Posted by: Brian | May 6, 2007, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Madame X: Thank you for sharing your experience and shedding more light on a largely invisible and deeply misunderstood issue!
The good fight is in full swing!

Posted by: JL | May 7, 2007, 8:37 am 8:37 am

Rule #1 – Don’t use tax dollars for personal activities.
Rule #2 – Don’t use office hours for personal activities.
Rule #3 – If you get caught, at least have the intelligence to tell a believable lie..GAWD!!

Posted by: shamrocker | May 9, 2007, 2:15 am 2:15 am

I used to work for her. She did require (at a minimum) 3 nights a week, and I found that hard in addition to my full-time job. We (or should I say “I”) were not always home by 11:00 p.m. (on weeknights), more like 1:00 a.m. or 2:00 a.m.

Posted by: kristi | June 3, 2007, 12:44 am 12:44 am

It was not uncommon for her to call me at 10:00 p.m. (on a *weeknight*) to tell me she needed me to drive to an appointment 60 miles away. That’s why the turnover rate (of her girls) was so high.

Posted by: kristi | June 3, 2007, 12:48 am 12:48 am

Thank God for college and women who need money to attend!!!

Posted by: Joe | July 13, 2007, 9:42 am 9:42 am

The girls that get into the business typically need a little extra money to supplement their normal incomes. Nobody begrudges a gold-digger but the minute a girl decides make money on her own, the calvinistic attitudes come from all over.
In many cases, a pretty girl will be used and discarded by rich playboys that move on to newer, younger pretty little thing. The girl is left on her own. It is nothing but a good thing that girls have the option to take charge and get something out of the meaningless trysts these men demand.

Posted by: Annie | January 31, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Reading these posts, it is clear that our public educational institutions have been hard at work removing all sense of personal morality, or even ethics. Many posters seem to be clueless when it comes to discerning the difference between healthy, honorable behavior and destructive, shameful behavior. Many of these posters are the product of an educational system that has worked very hard to remove any sense of right or wrong.. the only measuring stick seems to be the shallow, self centered decision process.. if it feels good, do it, regardless of the consequences.
If a man can’t be trusted to honor his marriage vows/contract (which is a life long promise), how can he be trusted with the public confidence? He can’t.
Sorry- Spitzers conduct brings shame and digust not only on himself, but it also further erodes the trust and confidence in ALL public figures who promise to honor their important role in our society.

Posted by: Tom | March 10, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

It’s funny how ‘Miss Julia’ justifies her actions by saying she did everything ‘legally’. What about the lives of children and wives that are affected by this kind of service? Granted there is full responsibility on the husband – but these escort service are not innocent. They know these are marriage men with children. How can they sleep with themselves knowing that they are hurting marriages and relationships. It’s disgusting, and only men with sick appetites will justify this kind of behavior. They’re comments only betray their selfishness.
Spitzer should resign. And his wife should leave him. Who knows how many sexually transmitted disease he’s carrying.

Posted by: No Nm | March 11, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

You cannot right the wrong Jezebel Julia. What do you call us? (Dumb Dummies?).
Shame on you. You have no regards for morals. How do you justify immorality with such passion and conviction? Is this what you taught your daughters?
It’s a pity you have lost your conscience to gains. You are not so smart. I won’t fall for that crap.

Posted by: Moses | March 11, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

I can’t understand what this woman has done wrong. If she’s been declaring income and paid tax she’s a good citizen of America. In New Zealand we’ve legalized prostitution for quite a few years now. I think it’s time America should, too because even prior to the legalization there were hardly any sex scandal from politicians or public figures in New Zealand. Well, the same can not be said in America.

Posted by: wendy | March 12, 2008, 6:52 am 6:52 am

Spitzer has to resign, not because he patronized hookers, but because of his hypocracy in imposing more draconian laws on something which (like the consumption of marijuana and alcohol) has been shown time and again to only get worse with more legal prohibition. The solution is to legalize all transactions between consenting adults, regulate the dangerous transactions (like alcohol, other psychoactive drugs, and prostitution), collect taxes on them and use those taxes to prosecute the criminal abuses relating to these things in a draconian manner. Confiscate the cars of and imprison drunk drivers. Ditto for users of underage hookers. Life sentences for human trafficing and slavery offences of all kinds, life in prison for selling adulterated or misrepresented drugs… let’s stop pretending that we can legislate morality and achieve a positive outcome from that effort. That hypothesis has been disproven in practice thousands if not millions of times over the course of human history. The resources wasted on trying to impose adherance to “God’s will” however that is defined could be much better spent going after and deterring the violent criminals who are currently benefiting from these prohibition-mentality inspired laws.

Posted by: ufo | March 12, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

The oldest job in the world. Nobody going to stop it now. Tax it very high and use the money with healthy, education and stop the crime in the world.

Posted by: cinara | March 12, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

So…let’s just let the prostitutes take more? and at the publics expense?
Get real people! This is sick, it’s sin, it’s wrong! One man, one woman for life are the only “sexing” that is allowed…everything else is immoral.
What determines the “next” legal sex activity? Sex with dogs, pigs? Get real! There are right and wrongs! And this is just wrong!
Take your money and use it wisely, not screwing around with someone else’s wife/hubby or future wife or hubby. ick!

Posted by: Think! | March 13, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

While I don’t use prostitutes, I do use pornography, and I hate it. I feel addicted to it. I would love it if it all just went away. But I can’t stay away from it.
Victimless crime? Not quite– I’m a victim and I’m the perpetrator. My wife is a victim as my love diminishes when I use it. My kids are victims when I become distant. It’s a mess. I imagine using prostitutes would just be a porn problem times 10.

Posted by: addicted to love | April 15, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Do know over 50% of sex in a marriage does not work and that is why…these men are out looking…come on people if men were happy in there own bedroom’s they would not be out looking so what does that tell us…????

Posted by: Rick | April 15, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

I was a client of Julia for several years. I am a single guy with an Ivy degree, handsome, but I can’t find a gf, even now, except in a foreign country where I have to pay for companionship. All of her “girls” were clean and wholesome, intelligent. They couldn’t afford to live in this area without the extra income from being an escort. Many of them gave me their personal phone numbers because they liked me.
If I were 6’6″ and weighed 300 pounds, I would rent my body to the NFL. I don’t see the difference between an NFL player and a woman who needs to pay her rent, except several million dollars.
I only defend Deborah Jean on the running of her service, not the other charges. If all US business was as honest and efficient as she was, we would have a better country.

Posted by: Leighton | April 19, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

I see nothing wrong in what this lady is offering. It doesn’t matter where a husband or wife for that matter goes to have an affair speeking from experience with my ex-husband who fooled around on me most of our 20 yrs of marriage and not only with prostitues but who ever would go with him. We are divorced now and as he puts it no he kicks himself everyday for losing the best woman he had in his life because now he is stuck with a woman who bites him up when ever she is drunk or high or both. Their youngest son who is only 10 yrs old has the sense to call the cops and tell them what is happening. So is this escort service a good thing yes and ladies if you can’t or just wont do for your husband or if you do and he still goes out on you trust me it isn’t you. I was always ready welling and able to do for me ex-husband but he just thought of me as his servant and mother to his kids. So really think about it before you blame everyone else for you marriage.

Posted by: Franny | April 22, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

I love escort services. Many people dont realize how much fun they can be. I go to a New Orleans escort and I dont care what anyone says it is a blast.

Posted by: Jamie | December 12, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am

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