Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban

Please don’t become part of the new neo con push for a new war in Iran. Check and double check your sources. We had far too much of the media serving as the mouthpiece for this administration leading up to the Iraq war. We don’t need another media encouraged disaster.
Here’s a fact to consider: the Iranian government is Shi’a. The Taliban are Sunni – hard core Sunnis. These people do not have a common cause. They have been at odds with each other since the 7th century.
Please check your sources!!

Doesnt anyone remember that we supplied Iraq during its war with Iran? That when we went back we left a lot of explosives ungarded after we found them. “We have seen the enemy and they is us”.

As soon as I see this reported by a reputable source that is not a member of the United States corporate media, I’ll start believing it. ABC News, like the rest of the American media, helped the Bush Administration lie us into the quagmire in Iraq. The RAND Corporation, who they quote so freely, is run by people who stand to make BILLIONS off of the next war that we are lied into. Let me hear this from someone who doesn’t stand to make a profit off of the next military misadventure.

Read the article three or four times. You will see that both sources are SPECULATING that the Iranian government is inolved. COMPLETELY SPECULATING. So why does ABCNEWS say Iran was caught ‘red handed’? Why is this disinformation being used on the American public? For what purpose are we being lied to? Why are the powers that be trying so hard to get another diastrous war started?

Mr. Hubers,
Even your own US government (whose current policies you seem to have contempt for) has made deals with devils to protect more pressing politcal priorities and goals. “The enemy of my enemy is also my friend.”
Have you ever pointed out to anyone that the United States in the past provided assistance to Bin Laden and Saddam? If so, then you are well aware of such tactics and are likely too wrapped up in your own political viewpoint to consider the story on the merits of the facts which have been cited.
“Please check your souces!!”?
Alas, if only you had posted your sage advice to Dan Rather before it was too late.
It’s cute that you think it matters.
Also, if you know anything about Mr. Richard Clarke, you’ll know he is no fan of the current administration or it’s foreign policies.

This message board is evidence of the chit chat that will occur among liberals after Iran supplies terrorists with a nuclear weapon that goes off in a U.S. port city.
“We really don’t know who’s to blame” the liberals will whine.
“After all, we brought it on ourselves because we are so unkind to other people in the world” the liberals will add.
It’s time to use some bunker busters on Iranian nuclear sites. We need to slow down this bunch of renegades.

To the utopians and Bush-haters who believe Iran is not a threat and not supplying arms; please, WAKE UP! Hating Bush is one thing, but closing your eyes is another.
Iran won’t supply to the Taliban because they are Shiite and the Taliban are Sunni? Iran is supplying the Sunni resistance in Iraq too! Why? Simple – the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Once we are gone, they can control the Taliban who wouldn’t be worth spit if not for their help. They want to be the super-power in the Mid-East and the world and they’ll do anything to accomplish it.
They didn’t do anything to us so why should we bother them? Germany and Italy didn’t do anything to us either. Nor did Bosnia. Didn’t stop us then. The truth is we must stop them before they become too entrenched and then decide to attack Israel and steal the oil of Iraq and other Gulf states. Think oil is expensive now? How about $200 a barrel meaning $10 a gallon!?
WAKE UP! We must draw a LITERAL line in the sand!

just look at the iranian presidents comments about israel. “wiped-off the map” “its destruction is nearing”.
these are not comments of a nation seeking nuclear energy, but nuclear bombs!
Bush its time to go in n start the bombing! THE WHOLE USA is behind you.

If not from Iran, Syria, or North Korea, where else could this be coming from?
Mordor?
Only complete morons could so flippantly dismiss the Iranian threat.
(Not the people of Iran but the regime in power there)
Time for some JDAAMS in Iran?

This story is about as true as all the other stories that have reported the success of the US military within Iraq since Sadam was removed from power. You liberals are funny. You have to deny any evidence that suggests otherwise.
Besides, the US should have already taken out the Iranian leadership. As someone who has lived in Iran for the last 3 years, the new neo con’s in Iran want it anyway.

Absolutely dead on -mikevotes-:
“but hiding behind ‘Report says’ and analysis of unnamed official without evidence should no longer be acceptable reporting in this country.
Not after similar reporting contributed to the war in Iraq.”
Reporters have abused the so called “unnamed source/official” for the basis of their stories for far to long.
Reporters should report the details/fact of the story without personal agenda’s

I don’t think the people claiming “lies” would ever believe any fact that did not support their agenda. News is now a waste of time it seems because no source will ever be good enough for the anti war crowd. I thought Nato was an international force for the most part. You folks would not believe it if ackmedidhisdad came out and claimed it himself. Not every news outlet is part of some grand theorized conspiracy to enslave the world with democracy.

I have to chuckle. Most of the folks that have commented here have talked about how the US is lying.. NATO is lying.. the media is LYING…. when a truck drives out of Iran with the weapons on board and you catch them in the act.. what is that exactly?.. more lies?… we have destroyed tons and tons of munitions in Iraq.. and in Afghan.. so where is the new stuff coming from?.. are the Afghanis crapping it out? Use some logic.

Well said Brian… I don’t think we are there yet, but it sure looks like an inevitable showdown is coming.

We need to give Iran 48 hours notice that the next time we find weapons going into Iraq or Afganistan we will take out all airports, bridges,highways connecting to contiguous countries, Naval facilities and radio towers. If they don’t get it then, take out all government buildings and known residences of government officials. If they don’t get that then we can get tough with them.

Why do you think the way you do and why am I asking you?

Some of you need to go to your local socialist liberal bazaar and get your free ostrich bonnet so you can go stick your head in the sand. God I have never ever in my life seen so many people who are opposed to the people trying to stop the throat cutters. “Convert or Die.” What kind of religion is that? Not one that I subscribe to and one that needs to be wiped of the face of this earth.

We did 1000 times worse to the Russians when they were in Afghanistan. We have no right now to complain.

It has to be obvious to any objective observer that Iran has ambitions to be the leading power in their corner of the world. Iran may have helped the US defeat the Taliban when the country first went to war in Afghanistan, but since then, the Iranians have other fish to fry. They want to expand their nuclear capabilities and with the destruction of the Saddam regime in Iraq, they smell an opportunity. If the US withdraws from the region before stabililizing Iraq, there will be a vaccuum, that Iran hopes to fill. A nuclear armed Iran without much counterweight to their ambitions would be a disaster for the Western World. This is why they are arming the Taliban and most likely arming the insurgents in Iraq.
Scott C.

Its a shame people are still on the side of our enemy…. Regardless of the above story.. The Iranians blatently state “we will wipe israel of the map” two days ago.. “the countdown has begun” To all of the Nevil Chamberlains… whos side are you on?
War with Iran is inevitable… the Iranian population is the most pro USA in the middle east.. yeah.. lets leave Iraq.. and let Iran take over.. “Those who dont know history are doomed to repeat it” “Those who do know history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it”
Man.. that war mongering Bush.. how dare he be the first president in 26 YEARS TO HOLD DIRECT TALKS WITH IRAN!!!!! North Korea is coming around.. (clinton handed NK nuclear power) Venezuala is collapsing…
We now have conservatives in Mexico, Canada, Germany, FRANCE, Britain, Australia, Poland, most of the former Soviet Union sub states… coincedence that the free-est counties are the wealthiest and our allies?

Prof Watson, ever have a real job? oh that’s right, your too smart for that. HAHA!

Eric,
“The Iranian people want us dead? Are you INSANE? Have you ever been to Iran? Do you know that Iran is one of the most affluent and educated countries in all of the middle east?”
So chanting “Death to America” is just what affluent and educated Middle Easterners do for fun, I guess. They don’t really mean it. Just a charming cultural tradition, like drinking sweet tea and hanging teenagers who get laid.
Good rule of thumb: When someone says he wants you dead, believe him. And govern yourself accordingly.

Alex: For your information, Palastinians were nomads and were kicked out of several places before they “settled” in the lands of Israel. It isn’t their land in the first place. Israel was willing to offer them their own, but Arafat turned that down. Get your facts straight and stop making excuses for Iran’s crazy prez. You and Eric need a history lesson and a reality check. I think the war in Iraq is BS, but Iran is a whole other ball game

It’s obvious that Iran is already at war with the US whether we like it or not. A series of strikes when they least expect it on their nuclear and conventional weapons capabilities and against the revolutionary guard and government in Tehran would be a good start. Giving the CIA the green light to fund and train the opposition movement within Iran wouldn’t hurt either. We can play the same game if only the worthless politicians in DC would let the CIA and the military do the jobs for which they’ve been trained.

The left wing wackos are about as funny as the media is. The comics section now covers the whole paper.
As for Iran let’s nuke em.

Arlington,
“Iran has NO reason to supply the Taliban”
Just like the Nazis had no reason to ally with the Soviets in 1939 — and yet they did. Go figure.
I think I’ll go hang with some drooling young-earth creationists to get a breath of critical thinking. At least there I can get unreason straight up, without any pretentions at being reasonable.

If we start fighting this as a real war rather than the PC joke that is getting our people and many more Iragi and Afghani people killed it would end a lot sooner. Throw out the rule book and give notice through areas that anything left inside dies. Tell the world to either help end it of stay out of the way.

Set mines and booby-traps on every road between Afghanistand and Northern Iran. Checkmate!

One explanation is that Iranian Leaders purposefully smuggle small shipments of weapons to those fighting foreign occupation, I mean islamojihadists, in the middle east. Another explanation is that they’re not
too hard to come by. How many people in the U.S. have large caches of illegal weapons? How much illegal weapons trafficking goes on in the U.S.? How many millions of dollars of steel disappeared illegally from the wreckage of the WTC to be sold for scrap? How many truck loads of cigarettes are smuggled illegally from Panama to the U.S. to Canada every week?
How many truck loads of drugs crosses our borders every day.
Unless I’m missing something, you can’t ascribe culpability to a government because it is stamped in big black english letters, Made in Iran. But hey, it is post 9/11, so just bomb them.

If we caught the Iranians delivering the
goods with Ah-ma-dingaling driving the
truck, the lefties would claim it was actually GW driving in a disguise.
If the Dems can’t stand up to FOX News, they can’t stand up to Iran.
Sad and EXTREMELY frightening!

Literalapse,
We don’t need to live in Israel to understand the turmoil they have suffered. Are you a Muslim or Lib? The US will NOT allow Iran or another violent Muslim nation to plan or start aggressions towards our brothers.

I say bomb Iran, anyone of you too cowardly to see the destruction of evil probably is too liberal to even recognize evil, I mean heck you guys don’t even belive in evil.
But meanwhile true patriots like Bush and Cheney have the guts to stand up to terror and see and end to it.

Some people like to stick their heads in the sand. Maybe when they get kicked in the butt they will stand up and see the reality they are so willing to deny. Only those who are looking for any excuse possible would refuse to believe that Iran is not actively supplying weapons to terrorists.
I refuse to call these terrorists “insurgents” or rebels or patriots. They are murders who deliberately kill innocent women, children and old men. It is one thing to attack the military it is another to just kill non-combatants just to instill terror.
If we used the same tactics with our superior weapons there wouldn’t be a Terran. Only America has possessed the power to destroy other countries with virtual impugnity and yet has had the grace not to act as the tyrant that other countries would have except for the presence of America.
It is only by God’s grace that America had the nuclear weapons before Hitler and Stalin or Mao. The world would have been a different place.
I am just so fed up with the wimpy whinners that seem to populate America today. Freedom is not free and will never be retained by just simply sitting back and expecting other countries to do the right thing. There are a lot of people who have died in the past 30 years because of the liberal mindset of non-intervention. Probably on the low end 30 million.
Reporting is not the issue in this case. This is about the foolishness of those who will not pay attention to the reality of wicked men who profess a belief in the form of Islam that is seeking the subjugation of everyone to their belief system or the killing of anyone who disagrees.
I fear the only solution is to wait until a catastrophic nuclear explosion happens in the West. Then maybe just maybe the reality will hit home as it did for England after watching Hitler destroy other nations and slaughter thousands and hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
Solution, give a single warning to Iran to stop supplying arms and support to our enemies or consider it an act of war and then destroy all their military installations, sea going navy, and air power and nuclear development facilities. No need to invade just leave them powerless to attack or defend themselves from others.
Then extend the same warning to Syria and other countries that might consider prolonging the Iraq war.

Anyone who claims Iran is not supplying weapons to our enemies is a fool or a liar. Iran has to start paying a price for killing American troops. Strike Iranian Revolution Guards’ Quds HQ and then deny that we did it. Let them see that two can play that game.

The moveon type liberals proved with their comments here that hate makes an “idiot on purpose” out of otherwise an intelligent person.

Oh, Gee! If NATO said it, it must be true, just as true as all those statements that NATO bombed insurgents and not civilians time after time after time, and then we see the village funeral for men, women and children on the news the next day, time after time after time.

Eric, you glittering jewel of ignorance. No one country had anything to do with 9-11. These countries breed little islamo terrorists. These countries created safe haven for them.
You don’t apoligize for them, you fight and defeat them.

Has the education system in America produced this level of stupidity as displayed by most of the comments?
Iran declared war on the USA in 1979 by invading our embassy. That is an ACT OF WAR. over the next 28 years Iran has funded terrorists cells all over the war with the intention of attacking us and our friends in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world.
Now for the past couple of years we have found increasing evidence of Iran involvement in the chaos that is Iraq. On top of this we now hear of increased involvement in Afghanistan by Iran against Nato.
And with all this evidence the people still think it is a Bush lie.
ANY other President in the history of America would have bombed the hell out of Iran by now. The anti-war movement should be happy that Bush is in power.
He is their best friend right now. I hope he wakes up and defends the troops better then he is defending the border of the USA

God bless the United States military.

a FEW WELL PLACED NUKES on middle eastern cities is whats called for. The sooner the better.

These countries created safe haven for them.
You don’t apoligize for them, you fight and defeat them.
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OPEN QUESTION TO WINGNUTS!
After 911 happened, and Bush blamed Osama, the taliban actually said that they WOULD HAND OVER BIN LADEN TO THE USA if the USA could provide proof that he was involved. No dice. The USA wants war, and always wants war.
Why didn’t bush just hand over the evidence, and bin laden would be in a us jail by now?
Hmmm?

Waah….Waah… it’s our fault people don’t like us… I…I… mean it’s the foreign policy of George Bush to blame. You babies step off your “war for oil” soap box long enough to get your feet on the terra firma of reality and realize these people want to kill us. They were killing Americans when your beloved “salamander in cheif” had the con. We’re just not chasing killers with indictments and subpeonas any more. God bless George Bush and his cabinet……Don’t you guys have an owl to save?

Is it going to take a nuke going off in New York or Los Angeles to wake us out of this stupor we’re in
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The only stupor we are in is watching you war mongers talk up another bs war. How about this solution to nuclear problems in the middle east, suggested by syria… Let’s have a NUCLEAR FREE middle east? How bout that?

Waah….Waah… it’s our fault people don’t like us
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Yeah, it is. If the chinese helped overthrough our elected government, installed their own IN OUR COUNTRY that was looking after the best interests of China, and not the citizens… and then china just decided to apply sanctions to us and it killed thousands of kids… and finally they invade and occupy us..
Well, I would probably hate the chinese then too. Wouldn’t you?

It is so funny how quickly the MoveOn.org and MichealMooreBurgers crowd turns on their own liberal media when they print an article like this. ABC, MSNBC, CNN, CBS are all tools and mouthpieces of the liberal establishment. But, let them post ONE article that shows what is REALLY going on in the world, and the ‘Blame ourselves first’ crowd goes wild and starts faoming at the mouth blaming conservatives for the story. This story is on ABC for crying out load, a beloved liberal media outlet. Shows how deluded with their own words these sad people are.

This whole ordeal is absurd. And, if we really wanted to put this to rest. I believe we should carry out the same tactics as what God did to Sodom, and Gommorah, and just level the entire middle east. Covering the perimeter from Egypt to Syria, and from Israel to India, and that would include every country within the middle east. Turn it to glass! And then, we wouldn’t have worry about Global warming for a while.

Iran has been at war against the United States since 1979.
Yet the first reaction of so many of the left-leaning contributors is “We must not start a war against Iran.”
I can’t tell if they are Taliban sympathizers or Iran sympathizers. Either way, they don’t seem to care about what may be in our national interest. Do they want an uninterrupted flow of weapons and munitions across Iran’s border into Afghanistan?

not again please!

Interesting how so many posters are so quick to discredit this story as adminstration propaganda because of “unnamed sources” in the defense department. I would wager these same people were happy to believe the same “unnamed sources” who confirmed the so-called Quran flushing incident at Guantanamo, or any number of other supposed monstrous acts committed by the US government against our enemies. Open your eyes, people.

Anyone who advocates using nuclear weapons in a first-strike scenario must be mad. First, the foundation of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) still applies. Any large explosion anywhere on the planet can trigger our defensive nukes, as well as the nukes of Russia and China. After that, lets talk about fallout…it could blow over to poor little Israel, you know…
The Republicans that are calling for the nuclear destruction of another country without real or proven cause are simply out of their minds. Is Armageddon really what you want? Do you really think that Russia and China are going to sit still for this? You’re just praying for some sort of new attack on our soil so that you can justify another insane attack on another Islamic country. It’s genocide, fool…those that advocate it are SICK! What has happened to this country’s moral center?
“Kill them all”?! Maybe I should move to another country…the folks here seem to have gone off the deep end.
(Nah, I’m going to stay here and fight them to the last idiot…)!

They would even keep dead babies for months in refrigerated trucks and warehouses, to pull out and put in coffins whenever they wanted to stage a ‘media event’ to show the sanctions where killing children
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Yeah, right. Kinda like in Kuwait the Iraqis supposedly went into a hospital and ripped babies out incubators and threw them on the floor right?
Show some proof of that.

Iran was caught. That happens in war against the infidels. I doubt the americans have the war gameplay to attack Iran for this (Wii).

So its our fault, all of it. Period.
Yeah, the world would just be peachy if it were like all those wonderfully free and open Islamic countries that never had American influence.

P.S.
Having read now more of the comments posted I can see that “they” who must think people are stupid, are on average more than half right.

Well we’ll see, won’t we? One way or another. If we roll in to Iran hootin and hollerin and we find out that they were in fact using their nuclear plants for energy or if we withdraw troops now and if some radical entity starts to gather support, Osama comes out of hiding and sets up shop in Iraq, and we start locking down the US because of multiple threats of terrorist attacks or if nothing happens at all. We will discover the absolute truth sooner or later, won’t we?

WHY should we protect Israel, you ask?
Because they are the ONLY decent people in the middle east.
They do not demand the head chopping of their opponents, the clitorectomies of women and most importantly, are the only people in the region who do not live under the tents of the 7th century.
They are a superior people as evidenced by the hatred of their lessor foes.
Jon Ogrey

Robert Hicks said: If you don’t think Iran is supplying anything to anyone that opposes the US, you live in a dream world. Get real.
Liberals DO live in a dream world and they’ll never “get real”.
Sadly, this is cause enough to launch a nice air raid to stop Iran’s capability of doing stuff like this. Is that going to happen? No. This administration is gutless because of these cowardly liberal types they pander to.
When Iran is hit, the first anti-war liberal I see marching in support of Iran is going to get my fist in their face.

This blog is comrised of idealists and realists. Idealists are admittedly the optimists, while realists are more pragmatists than pessimists. The realism of the situation boils down to this. Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq stand as the only freely elected governments in the Middle East. It is no coincidence that Iran, Syria and others want those democracies rebooted and loaded with Iranian manufactured political software.
Here’s a surprise: Bush is actually still following Clinton’s national security strategy, officially titled: “Engagement and Enlargement.” Engage non-democracies and barter economies to eventually enlarge global democracy and cooperative capitalism, thereby decreasing the likelihood of regonal conflict or global war. Iran reject this today just as it did in 1993 when Clinton adopted the straegy. Abandon Iraq, let Afghanistan fall, and Israel is the ultimate prize. With 60-100 ‘rumored’ nukes, does anyone think they will go quietly if Iran threatens to nuke them into the stone age?

Sadly, this is cause enough to launch a nice air raid to stop Iran’s capability of doing stuff like this.
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One that same note, is the fact that the USA supplies Israel with weapons to indescrimately kill muslims give, let’s say China the right for airstrikes against the usa?

Curious comments from some who disbelieve that the same Iranian govt that openly supports terrorist organizations would send weaponry,explosives to the Taliban and those fighting in Iraq. Iran’s support includes funding, providing safe haven, training, and weapons to a wide variety of terrorist groups including Lebanese Hizballah, HAMAS, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, al-Aksa Martyrs and the Popular Liberation Front for Palestine-General Command. The list of Hezballah related murders of Americans is long (241 during the marine barracks in Lebanon alone).
In addition, this is the same govt that thinks it is okay to kill authors who write offensive things or stone women and girls who are said to have committed adultry. Iran denies its citizens free speech and assembly while Iran and Syria both conspire to weaken Lebonon so they can control southern Lebanon for its proxy war with Israel.
As Afghanistan and Iraq are Iranian neighbors with Shiite populations, why is it so strange to think that Iran would seek to drive out a country for which they hold a messianic hatred of?? Keep in mind, nearly 1/4 of Afghanistan is Shiite and Iran supported the mujahadeen and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. In Iraq, Shiites constitute a clear majority. Iranian/Taliban involvement fits their modus operandi, is consistent with previous desires of increasing their regional influence, is supported by the detainment of iranian quds special forces in Iraq and is lastly consistent with their religious world view. So people who think Iran is not involved are only fooling themselves. Folks should not be blinded by their hatred of George Bush or US foreign policy to the extent to which they deny simple facts and deductions that are staring them in the face. ockham’s razor: “Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate”, which translates as “entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily” or put another way, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

if Iran threatens to nuke them into the stone age?
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so when did Iran threaten to nuke them into the stone age?

It would hav been helpful to know if your source was American or from another country.

The logic of the arguments used here are interesting to me – it can’t be valid because its liberal. Rather than speaking to the issue – that in this particular case an alarm is being sounded on the basis of one unconfirmed source – the response is to dismiss the validity of the charge based on a political bias.
It is well established that the media did, in fact, help make the case for the Iraq war and only now are beginning to question the wisdom of simply quoting administration sources which turned out to be erroneous. Then, too, the fact that al Qaeda had no ties to the Iraqi government which those who understood the antipathy of extremist Islamist movements to the secular government of Saddam Hussayn, was completely disregarded. My point remains well taken – that any source that suggests that the anti Shi’a Taliban are receiving help from the only Shi’a government in the world needs to be checked and double checked. The only people who disregard this are those who known little if anything about religious communities in the Middle East. This is clearly the case here.

The radical left in the US should be treated as terrorist collaborators. They should be sent to special investigative centers, where their ties to the Islamofascists would be analyzed.

Lets look at the timeline:
#1 Iran democratically elects its own President, who wants Iran’s oil wealth to uplift and benefit… the people of Iran. This majorly upsets the United States, which thinks Iran’s oil is intended to benefit… the people of America.
#2 The US deposes the popularly elected President of Iran and installs the Shah, who spends 27 years brutalizing the Iranian people.
#3 That whole thing in 1979 happens, when an extremist islamic revolution coopts the seething anger of the average Iranian into an islamic nationalist movement. The Ayatollah replaces the Shah.
#4 We spend the next 28 years in a hate-hate relationship with the government of Iran. However, while the average Iranian generally admires America, the average (especially Red State) American hates and would like to nuke Iran. Not a lot of opportunity for positive relations there.
Its called blowback, people. Americans have a hard time understanding it for some reason. But its kind of the “every action has an equal and opposite reaction” thing in the world of foreign affairs.
If we had left Iran alone in the 60′s and 70′s, perhaps the Iranians would be helping us in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of the unfortunate situation we now find ourselves.
Perhaps Iraq and Afghanistan would never have happened.

Did the media help President Kennedy get public support for intervening in Vietnam?

I hope we nuke them befor they nuke us..and any of you bitttchy little people that believe digging a hole and sticking your head in it will make the bad people go away, sure just leave them alone and they will leave you alone, you cant really believe that…they have hated us for centuries you will be to blame for lives lost when an iranian nuke blooms over the skyline of a major us city

Barry said, “The radical left in the US should be treated as terrorist collaborators. They should be sent to special investigative centers, where their ties to the Islamofascists would be analyzed.”
Fellow Americans, this is what the neo-conservative agenda wants to do with 72%+ of the American population. Be warned, my friends.

Stephen said: Children are so easily manipulated by scary stories.
What do you tell your children about global warming?

Some of the left wing America haters on this board are not very bright. First of all Iraq is MAJORITY SHIA. Iran would like to take over and then go after Sunni Saudi an Egypt.
Of course Iran is supplying weapons. They know if they can breed a civil war in Iraq American liberals will eventually get their way and force a full surrender by the United States. Hillary and obama have promised as much.
If you hockey pucks were around during World War II you would say Hitler isn’t such a bad guy and he really doesn’t mean what he says about wiping out the Jewish race. You would blame FDR saying Pearl Harbor was an inside job like Rosie and Charlie Sheen. what morons.
Hey lefties, EVIL EXISTS and it isn’t Bush or the oil companies. Tell me how is your food grown, how does it get to market, how do you earn the money to buy it, how do you get to the store to buy it? Energy. Imagine life wihtout it while you starve to death and freeze to death during the winter.
And I have to left as you blame the All Bill Clinton netowrk of a conservative bias. BWAAHAHAHAHA The Liberl New York Times buried the JFK terror plot on page 30. I guess terrorism on our shores is bad business for democrats.
It’s sad when you can’t tell speeches by Chavez, Putin, MyMoodIamInaJihad, Castro and most Demcorats apart.
We have found America’s enemies and half of them live here. 25% of American Muslims said it is OK to do suicide bombs killing innocents in the name of their religion. You hate Christians but seem to have no problems with extreme Islamo-Fascists.
And before the left wing name calling begains I am NOT registered as a Republican. Oh no, what can you argue now.

So, lets look at this, Iran “apparently” supplies the legitimate resistance fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan and thats a big no-no yet the US supplies groups within Iran with weapons and funding and thats OK?
It seems its OK for the US to supply anyone they like from the IRA to groups in darkest Peru… its OK because America does it!
Sending special forces into Iran is also an acceptable thing yet if Iran does the same allegedly back, its crime of the century… Iran is making it up the White House says, a day after announcing it had sent SF into that country.
But hey, lets forget diplomacy as well, it seems all US personnel have diplomatic immunity but when it comes to accredited diplomats, lets kidnap them and keep them for several months and then hope no-one says anything because its America…
Its strange that Iran enters with Iraq’s approval but for some reason its forgotten that the US and Britain are there illegally…
The Palestinians, the Iraqi and Afghanistan “insurgents” are acting within the law as legitiemately resisting an illegal occupation.
All the time that the US supplies terrorist organisations then they cannot bleat on about other nations doing so too.
There will be a new world order but not with America running it.

oooooo!
Look at me! I’m arguing about a news article and how it relates to my personal politics!
“ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US”

Iran has demonstrated a penchant for supplying terrorists with training, safehaven and weapons. Moreover, the current Iranian leaderships, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, appears to be an adherent to a messianic view of the world. Does anyone really believe that he and others within the Iranian govt/religious order, would hesitate to provide training to terrorists who would seek to use a bomb against the US. The US is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Failure to act results in an Iranian bomb with a pro jihadists/terrorist state opening the doors to global terrorists in clandestine ways. Acting confirms the islamic view that the US does the beck and call of the Jewish lobby.
The unfortunate truth is that the nuclear genie is out of the bottle and radical jihadists will eventually gain access to nuclear technology. Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan (AQ Khan) with the help of his pre 9/11 Pakistani govt has done at least as much damage. We live in a world in which jihadists think it is a good idea to kill themselves and as many others as they can. It is therefore reasonable to deduce that a would be suicide pilot or bomber would be willing to go to great lengths to access technology, weaponry and expertise to kill hundreds of thousands or millions at a time. I encourage all to read Lawrence Wright’s book, “the Looming Tower” as a good primmer on Sayyid Qutb and future jihad, as well as getting a read on the current state of affairs.

For all of you far left idiots who have no idea what is going on in Iraq or Afghanistan, I give you this piece of education. Iran IS supplying weapons and fighting a war by proxy against us. I know this because I know many honorable, courageous, and REAL Americans who are actually sacrificing something in this war who’s job it is to go out and investigate what is killing our troops in Iraq. One of those weapons we magically pulled from our butts are what is known as an Explosive Formed Penetrator (EFP). My good friend was killed by one of these things last February in Baghdad. It’s real people! I don’t want to go to war with Iran anymore than you do, but you have to realize we are in a fight to preserve our way of life. It’s not a cliche, it’s the facts. Get on board and start sacrificing something instead of sitting there in your birkenstocks and complaining about GWB and start worrying about the possibility that a man who has stated he wants to wipe whole nations off of the planet just might obtain the means to do it. Scary? I think some of the American people’s thoughts and ideas about what is going on might be even scarier. Good night and God (sorry…I said God!) Bless.

I have read pretty much all of the comments thus far and one of the repeated themes is:
‘The United States supported the Taliban at one point, they put the Shaw in power, they supported Saddam at one point, etc.’
I think any reasonable person would understand that yes the United States has contributed to the mess that exists in that region. However, the obvious point is, we can’t change the past.
We have to deal with the situtaion and possible situations in the “now”. And unfortunately that means Diplomacy can not be the only option on the table.
Don’t get me wrong at all costs, to absolute exertion, Diplomacy (world united)should be used. But what I don’t know is (for lack of better words) the “now”, what needs to be done now?
And also remembering to think with foresight when trying to answer this question!
It is what is right now, can’ go back, only forward and unfortunately the use of force has to stay on the table of options.

I would say the Liberals must be racists.
Don’t this so, answer me this. Why do Liberals want America to use our military force in Darfur? Answer: because people are dying, several thousand so far.
Answer me this, Saddam had murdered more than one million Arabs. Why didn’t Liberals want us to intervene there?
Becasue Liberals are rascist against brown skin Arabs. What other answer could there be?

The radical left represents no less of a threat to the US than the Islamofascists. Radical leftists and domestic sympathizers of foreign terrorists should face the same tactics as the terrorists. Verbal assault on freedom is also a form of terrorism. It is time to start treating it as such.

As usual, head up behind.
I want me one of those 7mm RPGs….
Give me a break, indeed.
lightfighter

Mark:
Great post about your life in Iran. The left in the US lives in denial and the media will not report the facts.
Liberals deny, people die.

I have been to Iraq… Iran is supplying weapons, technical support and even soldiers to fight with and advise Iraqi insurgents (Sunni and Shia) so it doesn’t surprise me they are supporting the Talaban. They know we are not long for Iraq and want us tied up in Afghanistan just as bad as Iraq.
Everyone who says “But Iran is Shia and ‘so-and-so’ is Sunni, blah blah” is parroting the anti-war line. There is a saying they take very seriously in the Middle East: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. The Talaban may be sunni… but we are Kuffars (infidels/nonmuslims) and are preceived as a greater threat than the Talaban. Tell me we never supported an enemy against a bigger enemy… (hint: Osama, Saddam).
Don’t deny it because you don’t want to go to war. Invanding Iran is dumb and noone ever said to. I do believe we should make it hurt for them (bomb a few specific targets… like their ONLY oil refinery or the mullahs house like we did with Omar in libya). Soldiers are dying every day because of Iran and we have known it for quite some time. I don’t know about you, but I’d like to stabilize Afghanistan and get the hell out. Maybe politics is just more important than soldiers lives to you… or maybe you all just don’t care. To me, it’s not and I do.

Some Liberal conspiracy fool just said Bush is promoting fear and then in the next breath said the whole world wants us gone.
Which is it dummy.

How can they tell it was from Iran if everything is made in china? But I wouldnt hold it past them. In America you can get arrested for threatning to kill someone. I say Iran has done plenty of threatning! I will give them credit they are willing to blow themselves up like good sheep. Now thats dedication! Sick but dedicated. Thats who the enemy are.

The affluence or education of a country as a whole does not automatically make them peaceful; just more dangerous. There is so much hatred in the middle east toward each other and the rest of the world that it seems they are still a long way away from coexisting peacefully and tolerantly with anyone. That to me is what defines a barbarian. The United States is the most wonderful nation in the world. It is so desirable that we now need an “iron curtain” to slow down the numbers of people trying to get in illegally and encourage them to come legally. I don’t hear of vast numbers of people trying to get out. In a time of war, as we are in now, care needs to be taken that speech and action does not appear treasonous. The “enemy” is monitoring and watching us constantly for any sign of weakness so they can strike. We are the United States and we need to stand united or we will fall. I hope no American citizen would have such profound hatred for us as to wish for our downfall. Who would take our place if such a thing came about? It would be a very unpleasant world indeed if democracy and freedom were to be overthrown.

re:Josh | Jun 6, 2007 9:09:59 PM
“Soldiers are dying every day because of Iran and we have known it for quite some time.”
Iran is sending US soldiers to Iraq where they can be killed? What cunning devils the mullahs must be.

Iran is a hole that should be made larger by B-52′s

I love ABC News. Article Title says, “Caught Red-Handed” but when you read it the “red-handed” turns into “analysis concluded”. Sheesh. What sensationalism and sad reporting. Of course the “new journalists” aren’t, they’re just marketing majors. Iran may indeed be supplying arms but there’s still no clear evidence. Its a shame that the irrelevant news annexes to Entertainment Corporations have become sensationalizers instead of serious journalists.

Let’s give Iran an atomic bomb. They seem to crave one so much.

Good thing all of you are busy posting and not procreating.
Me?
I’m doing both.
gigity gig

And… what about the vast network of tunnels and bunkers that Bin Laden had in the mountains of Afghanistan… Wait… there WERE NO vast network of tunnels and bunkers. Those turned out to be… a lie. I wonder how that idea ever caught hold in the American psyche?

I’m doing both at the same time gigity. I am talented and would like to see iran no more.

Get rid of Israel then this problem pretty much goes away.

Barry said, “There should be tactical nuclear strikes against major Iranian population centers, ports, nuclear, military and communications facilities. If millions of Iranians perish and their infrastructure is destroyed, it will be a lesson to ALL who raise their finger at Israel.”
Barry, I am beginning to think you are a provocateur in disguise. Becuase even the most neo-conservative of neo-conservatives would not advocate the killing of ‘millions of Iranians’ just to prove a point. Or would they? Your point of view is quite disgusting.

Personally,
I blame God.

I would let the Taliban go free if we could eliminate NeoCons from the US

I would let Taliban go free if we could eliminate liberals
…
I am so curious about what is so wrong and ‘unamerican’ to actually care about other human beings, and care about right and wrong without the racist goggles on…

The belief that the only evil in the world is America in general and George Bush in particular has reached the point of religious conviction for some of our friends on the left.
Thus any discovery that is reported supporting Iranian involvement in attacks must be suppressed since it doesn’t match deeply held beliefs.
It has become a cult.

TomBob….you would let the Taliban go free period! That’s why your type are more dangerous than the Taliban

WHAT WILL WE DO WHEN WE WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND ONE OF OUR CITIES IS GONE. I THINK THE ARGUING WILL BE OVER.AMERICA WON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT PLAME OR ABU GRAIB OR HOW MUCH AMERICA SUCKS.

Its like the article said, there’s no evidence, it was “analysis concluded”. Sort of like “We know Saddam has WMD”

Obviously, Saddam’s apologists and supporters have had to switch their allegiance to the mad mullahs of Iran. Blinded by partisan claptrap, they misuse history to support the killing of Americans and NATO soldiers in Afghanistan. These same people say use the UN instead. Well, the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are there fighting Iran’s proxies under UN resolutions. So you only want to back the UN when it helps to keep the world safe for dictators. Shame on you. And the Democrats and the Left wonder why their patriotism is questioned.

SickOfLiberal, its was the NeoCons under Reagan that armed and trained the Taliban so they could turn on us. O, wait a minute, it was Reagan that sold Arms to Iran too. O wait, who supported Saddam against the Iranians in the Iran Iraq War? I wonder? O, yeah, a NeoCon. Too Ric.

elgraz — No, actually we are not ‘at war’. Congress hasn’t declared ‘war’, as they are only government body capable of doing so, according to the constitution. What is happening in Iraq right now is the result of a unilateral invasion by the United States upon a sovereign nation. If you are going to discuss politics, at least get your facts straight.

Rey, that’s what I sad. There’s no “red-handed” evidence, the article say “analysis concluded” which means some NeoCon said so therefore it must be true! HAHAHAHA!!

If Iran was, or is, such a threat
a) Why didn’t the US invade IRAN instead of Iraq?
b) Why did Col. Oliver North sell arms to Iran during the Iran Contra affair in the 1980′s? He did this, by the way, without authorization from any level of government. Col. North didn’t believe Iran was a threat (quite obviously, or else he would be selling arms to them under the table), so why should anyone else believe it?

That prez of Iran is one of the guys who took our hostages in 1979. Left wing terrorist appeaser Jimmy, i’m a fool Carter was prez back then. Why did Iran do it. Bush wasn’t prez than.
You are a fool to believe that this evil man in Iran would not ship weapons to Iraq. And to the other fool Iraq is MAJORITY SHIA.
Pick up a decent newspaper once in a while LIBS

Everybody talking and nobodys listening. Everybodys yelling and nobody hears….Tower of Babel 2007

That prez of Iran is one of the guys who took our hostages in 1979. Left wing terrorist appeaser Jimmy, i’m a fool Carter was prez back then. Why did Iran do it. Bush wasn’t prez than
…
Look up the shah of iran, and the cia coup in the 50s.. That is why they did it.

We had a CIA agent in Iran working on WMDs to make sure our country was safe. But, the VP of the US outed her–to get even politically.
You guys are claming that Iran is our enemy. Why aren’t you doing something about your VP committing treason that emboldened the enemy you fear so greatly?

Eric:
What we do know is that Saddam had affiliations with Al-Queda i.e. training camps in Iraq at Salamn Haq with a BOEING 747 TRAINING TO TAKE OVER AN AIRPLANE WITH KNIVES. Yet we are so damn PC as to say there could never have been a connection of Saddam to 9/11. Regarding Iran many intelligence reports stated that key Al-Quida members are and were hiding out in Iran and that Iran is currently arming Al-Quidas operations in Iraq. But of course we could never dare accuse Iran of involvement in 9/11. Knowing history is not by picking and choosing what you want to know.

Bush wants war with Iran like a baby wants a red wowwypop.

Why don’t this country (USA) if we want to win in this battle against all the bad guys just put our whole county on a war footing, like happened for world war 11

If any nation attacked America on 9/11 it was Saudi Arabia…but the Bush family is friends with the Saud family so they will never ever ever ruin their financial relationships.
That is why I find it interesting that supposed conservatives are so easily duped.
The Saudis are funding Al Qaeda and Sunni militants in Iraq to this day.
Open your eyes.
-GSD
P.S. Yes, China is buying up the US debt and is laughing all the way to the bank. The US is getting outgamed by everyone because we think we know everything.

I’m so proud of what must be so many
U.S. soldier/sailors/airmen/marines responding to this piece. Fear not, we the people of the U.S.(most of us stockholders in arms/munitions companies)will not let you down, we will continue to encourage our leadership to fight every country in the world
disagreeing with us in any way. Your careers are secure, you will be able to finish your 20, or more if you so desire.

By then we will all be dead.
Posted by: JJ
Some are already (brain) dead.

didmy20, maybe some people like killing terrorists. I don’t think that is wrong.

The United States of America will attack Iran when the President of the United States decides he wants to attack Iran. All the bickering in the world is not going to change that, neither in this chat room or in the halls of Congress. George has, for better or for worse, seized political control of the entire U.S. government and has made it clear that he plans on establishing a global Capitalistic hegemony by whatever means he sees fit; that is the nature of our current situation. You can rage against it or accept it… either way, the decision is not in your hands. Bleat all you like…

Anyone cheering on attacking Iran better be prepared to take on Russia, China, Pakistan and India.

For those you “blame-America first” types out there that think this report is concocted by the current US administration… Learn something about the Middle East first before spoutng nonsensical gibberish. Iranian influence in the region is real and so is their goal of keeping the US/NATO influence in Afghanistan off-balance. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is alive and well.

I can’t believe some of the comments here.
Afghans are using our own weapons against us that we supplied? …what?
The US does not manufacture AK-47′s and RPG’s, or the variety of weapons found in use by the Taliban. These are weapons that are massively produced by the Russians and the Chinese, and then flooded throughout the 3rd world by the hundreds of millions.
The article clearly states that NATO forces tracked a convoy that traveled from Iran to an Afghan province before it was intercepted. Why are all these leftist anti-any-war-waged-by-a-capitalist country defeatists insisting that NATO is an unreliable source?

Oi, Robert– India’s on our side, mate. Pakistan is… Kind of, at least. Their government is (mostly), thought the people are not– lots of anti-US sentiment. China wouldn’t necessarily come to Iran’s defense, though the idea they are covertly aiding Iran is not an idea that would surprise me at all. If it’s true, its a major secret, and I don’t think they would formally go to war with us over Iran, even if they are helping them now. Russia doesn’t care if we bomb Iran, they are just using Iran right now for their own benefit.
Look at me— I’ve got sucked into all this, too. But I’m not bickering and arguing, at least. Just harmlessly sharing what I think.

To Jack US Marine
People like you and your men bring a lump to my throat and make me feel proud to be an American. I thank you wholeheartedly for your courage and sacrifices to keep the rest of us safe. It does my heart good to know that there are true patriots out there defending us and our children. Thank you.

THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Bush signing statement: Unless you want their oil.

The US is blowing the game. Weakening our US military in the Mesopotamian sands of Iraq while the real geo-political war is being played behind our back.
Russia is sealing up “Stans” for energy and they’ll throw their lot in with China.
While the nitwits in America are making Bin Laden into a 10 foot tall giant–he is indeed a threat and needs to be found and killed no doubt, but we’ve swamped our military in the fools errand in Iraq.
China and Russia are forming the SCO, Shanghai Cooperation Organization…..the members Include Russia, China, the ‘Stans’, India and Iran is getting on board.
Yep, and Bush is pushing Russia into a defensive position too.
If someone were to try to destroy America more thoroughly I don’t think they could do a better job than Bush has done so far.
Weakened militarily, strained financially and divided within. Bin Laden is laughing out loud.
-GSD

“… and in other news, the USA is still the biggest supplier of arms in the history of all civilization.”
Wrong, liar. The US is the largest supplier of expensive high tech weapons to countries like Israel, and the western European nations. The most expensive does not equal the highest amount. Russia and China are the world’s largest suppliers of small arms, grenades, mines, etc, which kill far more people than 8 or 10 jets parked on Israeli runways.
Russia and China have flooded the middle east, east Asia, and the African continent with hundreds of millions of tons of land mines, AK-47′s, and rocket propelled grenades. The above listed locales are the most poverty addled, miserable, war torn places in the world, and the Russians and Chinese continue to cash in on it.

Gee I thought the war on terror was just a bumper sticker according to John Edwards, I guess its real and they want to kill our troops no matter how many liberals try to stick their heads in the sand. This of course is why the dems wont be taking the white house in 08.

India just purchased almost one billion dollars worth of tanks from….ta…da…Russia.
India is also going wobbly on their nuclear deal with ta..da…The US.
-GSD
Shelby, I didn’t say that Musharraff “created” the Taliban. I said that the Taliban were the client-state of Pakistan. Musharraff is a dictator and he’ll sell the US out if it saves his ass.

Time to declare war on Iran! Put the Shah’s son back on the throne, and give him Iraq, too.

That is one of the saddest and funniest things I have ever read:
“Israel better start dropping nuclear bombs before the Middle East goes up in flames”!
Damn…..
-GSD

Sounds like more planting of evidence to me… We can’t get into war the old legit way.. Is Iran a possible threat? You bet… Is it our place to police the world? HELL NO! Until our yard is clean, lets stay out of our neighbors yard or even worse, our neighbors neighbor yard… Democracy isn’t for everyone…

Iran will have to be dealt with sooner or later….might as well start helping with a little insurgency action inside Iran and give them a little back.

Jack,
I beg to differ.
By subjecting too small a force to too big a job and not replacing equipment it is indeed grinding the US military into the dirt.
Sure, the Air-force and the Navy are in top shape, but the Army is getting ground down and weakened.
It also doesn’t make America appear to be “strong” when we have the former Sec. of Defense telling the world that the US is dealing with a “handful of dead-enders” and the US military hasn’t dispatched said “handful” yet and the conflict is running into its fifth year.
The Generals wanted hundreds of thousands of troops to topple Saddam, but Rumsfeld and his neo-con nitwits like Doug Feith and Richard Perle wanted to topple Saddam with 50,000 troops. General Tommy Franks pushed and pushed to get the troop levels higher…but not high enough to topple Saddam and then pacify Iraq.
That’s what happens when ideological armchair warriors play war.
-GSD

And suddenly, I realized it’s all about hate. Nobody’s listening. Isolationism (which is what a lot are supporting) no longer works. Sorry.
Alright, good night.

Hey Joe: Ever heard of the Monroe Doctrine??? Oh I forgot, a liberal democrat repealed it (Jimmy Carter)

To David Blomstrom
The troops serving our country, as a whole, are courageous. They weren’t forced to go to battle. They chose to enlist knowing that they could lose their lives defending the rights of the rest of us. At the very least they have earned and deserve our gratitude. There are always going to be individuals on either side behaving dishonorably. That’s one of the things that make war so terrible.
My mother and her family survived the invasion of her country by American forces and saw and endured atrocities.
She, however, was intelligent enough to know that the actions of an individual or individuals did not make all Americans “bad”.
She even married one of the “enemy” and said that the coming of America to Japan was one of the best things to ever happen to her former country. She was proud of the day that she officially became an American citizen.

ian, you’re an idiot. The Iraqis DIDN’T have an elected government. Saddam was only called president hussein because he was the dictator and could call himself whatever he wanted.

Anyone who thinks we have the manpower to start fighting another country is really foolish. We are not bullet proof. Our soldiers are not bullet proof. Not only that, we haven’t even started paying for our current predicament. In every age there is one country that has a time to be supreme. In the past, what has brought down every single dominant civilization is overreaching. If we hope for there to be a country for our children and grandchildren we are going to have to face some facts.
1) We cannot afford to fight the entire middle east
2) Iran may very well be supplying arms to our enemies but short of taking another step towards world war III we cannot bomb them. Nobody in the world would sit still for that. Really, nobody would.
3) We have already angered a good portion of the next generation of Arab men. When the twelve and thirteen year old boys in the Middle East grow up and start running those countries, we might very well be screwed anyway.
4) As long as the oil we need is under their feet, there will be chaos in that region.
5) I find it interesting that some of the people who yell the loudest about Islam don’t realize that Fundamentalist Christians have also perpetrated terrorist type attacks here in Amreica. Oklahoma City was not carried out by a God fearing Christian. Maybe we should go into the countryside and round up all of the Militias. They are armed and they don’t recognize the American govenment…Oh wait, they’re not really a threat to anyone. Are you kidding me?
6) America is a great country founded with great hope, but it is a work in progress. We have done some amazing things, screwed up some things in a big way and come out even in other arenas. WE are not gods. The people of the middle east are not devils. This is not a struggle between ultimate right and ultimate wrong. Anyone who believes they have all the answers is scary and should not be in power…no matter what they espouse. Leave infalibility to the Pope. He doesn’t actually have the power to make anybody do anything.

Bush and his vice president are trying to create another false report and ….
to bring the world another WAR.
congratulation to bush and his adminstration.

How do we know the Iranians aren’t working for us MEK proxies trying to start neo-con war for warmongers

Ed,
Maybe the Iranians will use some of the missiles that Fox News reporter and noted Republican Senate Candidate Oliver North sent to Iran by the planeloads.
-GSD

“5) I find it interesting that some of the people who yell the loudest about Islam don’t realize that Fundamentalist Christians have also perpetrated terrorist type attacks here in Amreica.”
Seriously, I’m scratching my head here trying to figure out when the last time was a Christian, Mormon, Baptist, etc beheaded someone on tv, or crashed airplanes into skyscrapers and killed thousands of people.
Tim McVeigh was a disgruntled American ex-vet, but not a Christian.Yes I’m sure we have so much to fear from all those rhubarb pie eating Christians in the midwest, don’t we?

Unfortunately a direct attack on Tehran WILL be perceived as a direct attack on Islam as a whole. Even more unfortunate is that BOTH countries have a religious zealot in the seat of power. If we go in, we had better be prepared for WW III/Armageddon, which may very well be what the zealots on both sides want.
Even if their side happens to worship the “right” god, if I were them I wouldn’t want to have to answer to that god for my earthly actions. It doesn’t take a genius to think that this is not what any god would want for the children said god is purported to love like a parent loves their child.

Hey CB: You forget a liberal democrat outlawed Tactical Nukes, especially the Neutron variety that would leave the oil fields intact………(Jimmy Carter again)

To Canadian Friend
You seem to have gotten my meaning very clearly. The things you mentioned are what I was subtly implying. Yes, there are atrocities committed from all camps.
Some of our own have committed horrors.
The Japanese committed horrors. The Germans committed horrors. The British committed horrors. The Italians committed horrors. It goes on and on and on. War is terrible but sometimes we are forced to fight.
My reason for sharing with you what my mother said was to give an example of why we should not judge the whole by the actions of the few (comparatively). I hope this clears up my meaning for you.

Oh and by the way, any of you out there who think that there aren’t any “Christian terrorists” I’ve got two words for you…Eric Rudolph. Here’s a few more…Ku Klux Klan.

this must be BS:
1- a good friend in Basrah emailed that “the war with Iran will be founght in basrah”–NOT Afghanistan;
2- al qaeda =sunni iran=shia no go!!
3-remember that saddam=secular alqaeda=wacko sunni again no go
(but didnt the clinton admin document several linkages in aug 98 beteween al qaeda & iraq in the chem weapons facility in sudan–as reported in the neocon NYT–and to my knowledge NEVER discredited!)
so…may…just maybe Iran is upping the ante in their proxy war against us??
nah….its just a Huffpo conspiracy!!!

“as reported in the neo-con NYT”
…Hahahahaaaaaaa! Neo-con NYT, hahahahhaaa!
I can’t believe someone actually said that!
I guess if you’re far enough to the left, then everything looks right to you. Congratulations, you win the Ted Rall/Danny Glover/Alec Baldwin/Fidel Castro award! Very much good, comrade! Viva La Revolucion!
And on that note I shall go to bed, if I laugh any harder I won’t be able to sleep.

“contained the same fake U.S. markings found on explosives recovered from insurgents operating in the Baghdad area.” ….contained the same fake U.S. markings…..the same fake U.S. markings…. same fake U.S. markings….same U.S. markings….U.S. markings…..U.S…………and who is behind this again????

The problem with the article is that it automatically assumes that the Iranian government is behind the arms shipments. That bias is like assuming the Columbian and Peruvian governments are behind all the marijuana and cocaine shipments flooding the United States.
Undoubtedly, there are many freelance arms dealers in the Middle East. Most of the arms listed in the article are pretty common in the black markets of that region and Africa.

I love how this story pops up right after last night’s presidential debates which turned into a hypothetical war debate, with twelve individuals discussing how they would invade Iran and with what type of weaponry. Now that we’ve discussed how we’ll be invading Iran, hypothically of course, the media can flood us with news stories about Iran’s malicious intents..sounds like what occurred directly after september 11th, doesn’t it?

“War is a waste. It is a waste of money, a waste of lives, a simple waste of everything involved. It accomplishes nothing.”
Posted by: Steve Fitter | Jun 6, 2007 11:07:12 PM
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” – John Stewart Mill

surprise.

Well you know that they were going to do something or be set up doing something so we can take military action! Could have been a country of small innocent woodland creatures but since they have the 3rd biggest oil supply in the world and would not buy U.S. debt like the saudis, they were always going to get it but Bush and co. People wake up—this has never been about terrorism!

If anyone thinks Iran is not involved in any process which will at least be a thorn in the side of the US military and help them achieve their goal as the dominant force in the region they are not aware of geo-politics in this part of the world. It sounds like everyone wants to blame the problems of the worlds nations on things we have done and this is not true. Iran wants us as a nation to fail in this struggle because they then come in and fill the power vacuum. The fact that anyone can write these blogs is what this country is all about.Go to china and see if anyone in the goverment will tell you anything about what happened to the young man in front of the tank in Teinamen square or what is Putin so afraid of today with his clamp down on democracy. If the left wingers don’t like things in this country so much like Mr. Baldwin why don’t they leave?? Oh yeh Baldwin is still here but why didn’t he do what he said he would do and do us all a big favor and those who think this country is so bad should go and live in one of those nations ,(maybe with alec Baldwin),where people are without simple basic human rights.

you guys ust be nuts to not think that Iran is not supplying terrorist with weapons(any weapons) they are killing anyone who does not follow there rules open your EYES

Humans are a contentious lot. Always fighting and bickering. Countries do it… people posting blogs do it.
Perhaps if we get rid of the people, we can finally get some Peace.

The U.S. government has always been able to trick the American Public into supporting them for their own motives. What hard evidence suggests that two ancient enemies are in cahoots with fighting the U.S. ? The government tells us what we want to hear.

Iran would never do this . . . Iran loves the world, Iran wants peace for all.
The US is Evil while Iran is love and peace for all.

Bush bashers, America elected him twice. We did so because he is a man who does what he thinks is right. You call him stupid but he had better grades then Kerry in college. He was smart enough to be elected president twicw and Gore,Kerry,and Edwards were not. 3,000 dead americans in 5 yrs well the battle of the Bulge took 90,000 americans in thirty days and we won that war! No liberals back then just Americans.

This sounds an awful lot like the kind of cooked info which got us into Iraq, now being uncrated to get hostilities going in time for the Bush adminstration to use a war to elect a new republican administration with a hsyteria of patriotic fervor next year.

Bag sniper, I owe you a beer! God bless there are still real people out there!

To Jon Ogrey: I don’t know how this turned from a debate about attacking sovereign countries to providing humanitarian relief. Anyway, my point was that our gubmint can’t very well admonish (read: attack) Iran for doing the same thing our gubmint has been doing for over 50 years. Did I mention Afghanistan and how our CIA was there with their check books and Stinger missles when Russia invaded? And who did we write those checks to?…
wait for it…
Osama bin Laden!
One man’s, err, nations’ freedom fighter is another nations’ terrorist.

It’s amazing how much more people think they know than we who have been there. Did you ever read All Quiet on the Western Front?
Remember the scene where the old men are talking about how to win the war, and then they ask the soldier. He tells them and they tell him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about?
Ya’ll are the old men. You’d be surprised what Sunni and Sh’ia have done together. But I keep forgetting all of you know everything. You’ve read books and internet sites.
Never can tell what will happen, and what won’t get reported. As my previous post states, all of you know Iraq is a failure, and yet none of you know anything about Iraq.

Maybe the US should start sponsoring a couple insurgent groups in Iran. I am sure there is plenty of surplus explosives in iraq that can be used to blow up ahmedenejads palaces in tehran

Yes the war is messy! Is it George Bush’s fault? No that lie’s on the media and the democrats who embolden our enemies. The truth is, when the time is right and we go after Iran we already have 150,000 troops in Iraq. Bases in Afganistan and Bases in UAE,Saudi Arabia,Kuwait,Oman,Bahrain Turkey and Quatar. I like My Presidents’s Strategy so far, the Generals need to clean up their execution of the war. With no support from congress or the media my President and the U.S. Military are doing the best they can!

Uh huh… right

How many Americans realize that a war begun by a Republican Presidency is nothing other than a thinly veiled attack on the American treasury–ie. tax monies?

People should know that the genocide in darfur is being done with our weapons.That is why no steps in because that would tarnish the u.s image.But heaven forbid that other countries do the same thing than they are called the”axis of evil” how hypocritical.

Feel proud to be an American? Feel like the image we present the world is one to feel good about? Wonder why Oprah has a show talking about anorexia and why it is such a mystery only to cut to a commercial of skinny beautiful women? Wonder why we talk about abortion being about a women’s right to choose a life unencumbered by the responsibility of a child, but we don’t talk about men needing to be responsible for the act of creating a human life? What do you see in our culture that doesn’t make sense? To be clear, I do not believe we have brought these attacks on ourselves or that we deserve it. However it does not mean there is not truth in what some critics say.

Hard to believe you can be this shameless after the Iraq adventure.
Whatever happened to investigative journalism? Or just journalism, for that matter…

Gee Wayne, I never realized how uninformed I was until the bright shinning light of your post illuminated the deep dark recess of my white matter. If I’d only read more, admit my collective guilt and seek the forgiveness of my friends and enemies…maybe…just maybe we can all get along.
Seriously, like any massive star, the sheer weight and gravity of our country does cause others to rotate in our orbit and sometimes with dire consequences (some intended and unintended).
Sometimes the perceived political necessities of the time have resulted in bad results. It is a simple fact of nature that powerful countries have a disproportionate influence on the world around them, economically, politically and culturally. Moreover, we and our elected representatives are imperfect creatures. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes we get it wrong.
Having said that, we have largely been a force of good and from an historical perspective, the US has been fairly good natured and benign.
I, like millions of others, have served in a military capacity for the US. The military as a whole is fairly reflective of the society from which they are drawn. By and large American service men and women are good people who generally go the extra mile to try and do well by others.

The fact the Iranian intelligence agents have been caught in both Iraq and Iran seems to have escaped your minds. If that wasn’t enough, the tactics that have been used by fighters in both Iraq and Iran have been linked to Iranian doctrine and training.
Instead of using insults and half ass jokes to base your argument, how about you calm down, take a breath, and do some research. Not just research from writers on the left, or just from writers on the right. Read them both. Throw in some independent research studies. When your done with that, take the information you read and look for some intelligence gaps. Use what you’ve learned to fill those gaps with educated assessments, and then form your opinions.

is this a surprise

We can’t leave Viet Nam. Countries will fall like lined up dominoes. Pretty soon the United States will be surrounded. If we don’t fight them over there, we’ll have to fight them over here. That was the 60s and 70s. So far, 30 odd years later, haven’t seen a communist yet. Maybe we should nuke Viet Nam just in case.

Brian Ross is being “used” yet again by neocon “intel” leaks, intended to fabricate a war with Iran. Give him a “judy” award — in honor of Judith Miller (for whom the phrase, “Judy’s War” will ring a bell)

when a finger points at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger.

ADRIAN, ADRIAN . . . .
Great military tactics my man – but do you think Russia and China would sit by for month while we bomb and grab their number one supplier of gas and oil, let alone the international energy corporations . . . and how would we deal with a world scramble for oil? . . another armchair warrior showing the closest he’s gotten to a uniform was standing next to a crossing guard . . .

If the Iranian government is supplying arms to the Taliban it may be much worse than it appears on the surface. Let me restate the situation simply to make the point:
The Shi’ite Islamic revolution in Iran and the Salifi fundamentalists like the Taliban are bitter natural enimies; the Salifi fundamentalists consider all Shi’ite apostate, non-Muslim, and fit only to be killed.
We have about 20,000 – 30,000 troops in Afghanistan, a country that hosted the terrorists that attacked us 9/11. Their hosts, the Taliban are making a comeback and we are struggling to keep them contained.
We have around 150,000 troops in Iraq, a country that had no terrorists until we invaded. Now there is a growing Salifi fundamentalist movement, some of whom are associated with Al Quida, fighting us and the Shi’ite majority. We are barely containing that situation.
Now one has to wonder why the Salifi fundamentalists in Iraq and in Afghanistan do not coordinate their efforts and perhaps use our weakness in Afghanistan against us in Iraq. Well, between Afghanistan and Iraq sits Iran, the natural enemy. In other words, the necessary lines of communication between Salifi Islamist factions fighting us is denied them because it runs through their enemy; and this is the sleeping bear we keep poking. All Iran has to do is allow those lines of communication and we are in a really bad situation. If Iran is angry enough at us that they will arm people who’s natural instinct is use those arms to kill them, they may be angry enough to allow them to communicate through Iranian territory; as a matter of fact, those arms were traced through Iran, but perhaps the lines of communication have been opened already and this is Salifi arming Salifi across those lines.

Fred – well thought out and would explain why Iran was so willing in the early 9/11 “Bliss” to help the US in the war on terrorists . . . until Dumbya took international diplomacy to new low of bombastic ignorance . . .

Wow.
The self-loathing and conspiracy theorists really are all over this one. I always thought the OJ jurors were buffoons. Now I realize the U.S. is filled with such people.
This story isn’t exactly breaking news. Anyone who’s been paying attention has seen it covered quite thoroughly already.
Iran will continue to kill U.S. soldiers and make a mockery of American foreign policy (not Republican foreign policy) because a good number of people hate so much they can no longer rationally evaluate information. I don’t know whether the media, global socialist propaganda, ivory tower professors, or Big Bird is the most responsible, but regardless, ABCNews, this is the monster of deception that’s been created. A population unwilling to deal with the realities of the world around them.

This kind of “reporting” is just another attempt to ensure that second career as a White House stenographer. The US media makes me ill. Note that I say “media”–there are NO journalists left here.

In Canada and in Tehran recently, there were friendship meetings between socialists and jihadists.
It is hard to understand where the ideology matches between the two movements, but it is clear there are great efforts to forge alliances.
This is the only bit of news that fits in with why the arguments that are left-of-center that focus on the failings of the western powers rather than on the failings of preaching islamist extremist states and non-state entities.
The most ironic thing about this is that once the islamists would have their way — they would immediately proceed to eliminate the leftists with extreme prejudice.
Those who sing “Fair’s fair” and
“Let’s give it back.” appear not to know that they are talking about “giving back” everything, including their own life and freedom to pursue happiness.
I like open discussions and gaining enlightenment from the broadest possible spectrum, but the statesmanship these people advocate is state-suicide and I can’t find any way to accept their counsel.

Heres my answer to the problem….hydrogen fuel cells =D

Give war a chance.
Let’s hope we invade Iran. They’ve got it coming. I don’t care who we supplied with what. Kill the enemy is the best strategy.

dt,
there were no WMDs, we attacked a country that was no threat

Hey John Huber,
there is no neo-con agenda on Iran. Just for the record. Iran is Shia and Hamas is Sunni, but Iran supplies Hamas with weapons, finance, and training.
Not convinced. Iran is Shia and Syria is Sunni, but yet they have both signed treaties to defend each other and supply each other with weaponry.
Not convinced. Hezbollah is Shia and Syria is Sunni, but yet Hezbollah receives weapons, finance, safe-haven, from Syria.
Not convinced. Iran is Shia and Taleban is Sunni, but yet Iran is sending weapons to Taleban.
Iran History -
IAEA, EU, NATO, US all agree that Iran is secretly working on Nuclear Weapons programs.
Iran supplies, trains, and finances Hezbollah, terrorist organization.
Iran supplies, trains, and finances Hamas, terrorist Organization.
Iran supplies, trains, and finances the Mahdi Army and Moktader el-Sadr, a main destabilizing and death squad force in Iraq
Iran supplies IED weaponry to insurgents in Iraq to kill Coalition, Iraqi, and US forces.
Iran kidnaps 13 British Sailors
Iran kidnaps 3 Finns
Iran crushes and free speech or pro-democracy rallies in Tehran and throughout the country.
Iran has arrested and killed thousands of Iranian students demonstrating for more rights and democracy.
Iran encourages Hezbollah to attack Israel and kidnap Israeli soliders.
Iran is building Shahab-3 missles with a range of hitting Germany and can carry a nuclear tip warhead, chemical, or biological warheads. Iran is building thousands of Shahab-3. Question is Iran is not pursueing Nuclear Weapons WHY ARE THEY BUILDING MISSLES THAT CARRY A NUCLEAR WARHEAD.

I am tired of intellectuals saying Shia and Sunni Muslims would never ally themselves against the west. “They have been bitter enemies since the 7th century”. But isn’t the quote “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” an Arabic/Muslim phrase?
Muslims have come to realize they fight each other and the west wins. So they call an uneasy truce and unite in their common cause in an attempt to destroy the west.
Iran has been at war with the US since 1979 but we have never engaged. The time to strike is now.

James,
Relax, everyone thoughr the same thing in the 60′s too. Remember the LBJ political ads with the nushroom cloud? Even these suicidal zealots want their side to win.

Hey Jess, we invaded Afghanistan on October 7, 2001, then immediately started killing people all over the world, in such as places in the Phillipines, and elsewhere. I was not refering to Iraq, that is why I said all over the world. The CIA, special forces and other organizations did indeed start killing and capturing people all over the world. I meant what I said. If I had meant Iraq I would have said Iraq.
You assume that someone who doesn’t adhere to your point of view is a dolt.
I don’t need to be lectured by you with mundane trivia such as the country of origin of the 9/11 hijackers.
If Iran were concerned about “enhancing their international standing” as a cooperating country with regard to terrorism doesn’t it stand to reason that they would stop aiding and abetting terrorists? Your circular logic is baffling. Since when has Iran given a damn about enhancing their international standing as it pertains to stopping terrorists?
With regard to the US being a paper tiger, I’m not sure what that means given the fact that the US was able to swiftly enter and overthrow two countries with minimal force and minimal loss of life. We should have used a much larger force for the asymetrical warfare that flared after normal combat operations, but I suspect you don’t have much of a perspective on this.
And b/c GW Bush is not a member of MENSA and you feel we have a corrupt administration the Iranians were emboldened? That is another curious assertion. Since when does the raw intelligence of a president of any leader for that matter, provide some sort of predictive quality over how they might respond to a terrorist attack. Arguably Jimmy Carter was one of the smartest presidents we’ve had and yet he was clearly had a failed presidency and was inept.
Save the lessons for someone else. Judging from your retort you probably should spend more time reading than responding.

dt,
Anything is possible. But, the question remains, how could they have made nukes with no facilities to make them with? Did they buy them somewhere, and, if they had them, why didn’t they use them. DT, we had no right to attack, no evidence. Scott Ritter knew they had nada. I cant believe that some neocons still believe things are hidden in the dessert.. get real

derekj-what a tierd response “if you’re so (fill in the blank) why don’t you enlist!
of perhaps a personal favorite “You chicken hawks/armchair warrior…..”
So to favor military action one must be a currently serving member of the US military otherwise you’re (fill in the blank)?
I’m a vet as are many in my and my wife’s family. We have also lost friends, family and colleagues in combat related (KIA) engagements. But I think it is silly to suggest that only veterans or currently serving personnel are somehow the only ones who deserve to say how our professional military is used or military force is applied.

“who cares about what is or is not in the sand. the fact is that the UN violations were enough to dethrone the dearly departed king”
Posted by: stp
Well said. As far as I’m concerned, when they attempt to assasinate a former president of the united states I think that provides just cause as well.

all the iraqis need to do is point a finger (rather than a gun) at the insurgents and we could take care of the rest.

Craig – Touchy about being called on you BS? The fact is after 9/11 we had World Wide support to go after those involved. WE concentrated on a third rate contained dictator, violating civilized international agreements to avenge “my daddy” not those responsible. My “Paper Tiger” remark had nothing to do with any might or force, we have spent the greatest fortune in world history creating the greatest equipped and trained military force known. Bubba may be able to go into any bar in Mayfield and kick everyones ass, but he still can’t read. It means that with this great ability on every diplomatic front we fail – Israeli Peace, Africa, Russia,Dufar, Latin America, trade, et al. There is no doubt we can defeat ANY nation but how about decent health care, veterans benefits (for those that DID what few do), world leadership. “Smart” has nothing to do with intelligence, it the application to achieve positive results that matters. And you boy has failed all tests, and if weren’t for Daddy and the Saudis, he’d be divorced living in a single wide in Dallas washing dishes, three month behind on child support . . .

yeah, europeans are the only people in the world to ever divide people up along ethnic lines. if you said it well it must be true.
c world history for an opposing view – oh and most people in the middle east

yes, ur right – open forum where people can express their thoughts / view /ideas are bad – my bad

Jess, I don’t know if you noticed but the article is actually about Iranian weapons in Afghanistan. This is part of the war which you allege the “world” gave us permission to start. So get off your high horse about Bush and Iraq. There are plenty of liberals quoted from the pre-Iraq war period asking for war with Saddam. Had Bush not invaded Iraq then he would have been lambasted by the left as “not doing anything” or “leaving the worst terrorist to do as he wished”.
We actually spent the greatest fortune ever amassed on a failed social welfare system. 20% of the GDP goes to worthless social programs, only 3.8% of the GDP goes to defense of the entire nation. It’s estimated that American citizens lose more money each year by being forced to “donate” to social security than the entire defense budget.
America isn’t perfect but it is a far shot better than you give it credit for. There is a reason why new immigrants to this country love it, but rich white kids that were born here don’t: basis of comparison. Spend 30 minutes in Manila and you will know exactly what I’m talking about.
You realize that any president that went against the Saudi Royals would be thrown out of office? We can’t live without Saudi oil. That keyboard you’re typing on: made out of petroleum products, transported by the combustion of diesel, and you used gasoline to get it from the store. This very second you are consuming fuel oil from Saudi Arabia. Bush’s sweet connections are all thats between you and European gas prices.

touche, HippyHunter!
I think you nailed that quite well.
No one thinks much about Johnson’s war and poverty and what a disaster that has been.

Just remember that the Dems will always be waiting in the wings to deny the obvious once they agree that we should attack. It is of course purely political, and Dems never hold their own people to anything like high standards so it’s okay for them to say “we were tricked by Bush”. Dems are truly fools, and someday we will pay the price for allowing fools to trick us. Dems should be in Gitmo, not the Whitehouse.

So Ali Baba – as an Iranian American – I’m assuming that your family were supporters of the Shah.
You don’t care that the United States destroyed your former country’s fledgling democracy in 1953? You don’t care that the US trained and funded the Savak (the Shah’s secret police) who jailed, tortured, and killed almost all political opposition in Iran? I say almost because the one group they were unable to touch was the fundamentalists – and who was left to take power when the populace finally had enough?
Now you hope that the US will drop bombs on your wonderful people – in order to “save them” yet again? I have many friends who are Iranian Ali – none of them complain to me about their lives back home. They live their lives around the system – despite the system – to them it’s a hindrance. You can find instances of evil within every country. You can choose to use this as an example of “tyranny” if you wish – but you really want them to kill tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of the wonderful people of Iran to bring “freedom and democracy”? My friends always tell me that they will deal with it – in their time – in their way. However, they also tell me that the one issue in which the government has overwhelming support is – you guessed it – Iran’s right to develop peaceful nuclear technology – one opinion the Iranian people share in common with Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger strangely enough.
Is this really your position Ali?

Thanks hassan for the complement.But yes Ali Baba does mean thief even though it a slang term used by u.s forces for someone suspected of looting or other crimes.But thanks again…im going to start calling myself mullah.

No use talking deplomacy to this people, whose minds are blinded by hatred & false sense of religiosity. But they’re terribly cunning, they say one thing but do another, so I say we give them a dose of their own medicine, after all their prophet did the same to their enemies centuries and terrorism is no new thing for them, it runs in their veins, even in biblical times.

Here is the bottom line!!! Iran has been attacking us “the west, USA” for 35+ yrs. since the islamic revolution…the world is a mean, mean place. DO YOU WANT TO PRESERVE YOUR WAY OF LIFE?? Women w/o birkas? Your right to be wrong and narrow minded and organize a good old self gratifying protest!!!!! THEY WANT TO KILL US!!!! FREEDOM?? BOTTOM LINE?? QUIT FEELING GUILTY!!! Roles reversed; they would have done the same thing. Do your research…with emotionless, factual, prudence!!!!! Don’t get in the way of civilizations! It is not all pretty but that is the way the WORLD “HUMANS” work!!!! some people smarter than you. said something to the effect of: “those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it”…&…”if you are young and conservative, you don’t have a heart…if you are old and liberal, you don’t have a brain!” WAKE UP!!!

ill take liberty too

Everyone gets to voice their opinion. God bless America. Grow up children. NeoCons? Conservatives? Liberals? Biblical times?
You folks better wake up and smell the coffee. Anything that’s threatens freedom needs to be destroyed. Try voicing these ideas in Iran or possibly China.

I have a solution to the whole problem. Nuke the hell out of the entire Middle East. Instant world peace. Just a few decades of radioactive half-life to worry about, but who wants to go to a desert anyway?

Being an American, the United States is my home wher my familiy and friends abide. I would be nothing more than a fool to let my homeland be threatened or damaged. To sit idle just because the opposing party is in power is like an osterich with its head in the sand. United We Stand is fundemental to the foundation this country resides on. When we wander from this fundemental, we risk our much valued freedom.
The quote of Patrick Henry is right on; and it is time you start putting differences aside and seriously worrying about your homeland.

Ali Baba
Thank you for your comments. But when you say that you did not call for military action – I must remind you that you are posting in support of people who are calling for just that. Go back and read their posts – many of them are calling for your former country to be nuked – and you don’t seem to blink. Instead – you appear to support their position.
One BIG problem we have in the West is our inability to think in the long term. Ali Baba, you seem to have been stricken with this affliction when you speak of the 1953 overthrow of your democracy by the United States. How can you defend the actions of a country who – sucked in by the British who sold them on a “communist threat” when they were actually trying to save the British oil company – sent in the CIA to destroy the people’s government in order to install a dictator? I agree that the Iranian government is guilty of widespread human rights abuses – and I believe that the people will eventually rise up against it – but it won’t happen while the US is threatening the people of Iran. This said – the human rights abuses of the Mullahs are a fraction of those committed by the Shah – and the US was going to sell him a hard water reactor.
Mossadegh wasn’t a communist Ali Babba – he just wanted to nationalize your oil – so that your people would get the money for their resource – instead of the multinational oil companies.
And no Ali Baba – again – it IS like I say. Iranians live their lives like anyone else on the face of this earth – they love their family and friends, they shop in malls, the young people go to night clubs, etc, etc.
There are people in jail in Iran – many unjustly to be sure – but they come nowhere close to the country with the largest percentage of its people in prison – that country would be Russ…no…Chin….no….North Kor….no….ahh yes…it’s “the land of the free”.
You are right that the Iranian people need the support of the international community. However, that support should come in the form of diplomacy, advocacy, and trade leverage. It should also come in the form of a complete pullout of all foreign forces from the Middle East, gradual withdrawal of economic and military support to Israel (resulting in a settlement of the Israeli/Arab dispute), and international trade agreements that promote social and economic development.

SO many foolish comments here! Feel free to bash America but remember we are talking about the TALIBAN! Islam at it’s WORST! They are fighting to return to the SLAVERY and ignorance they believe is the TRUE Islam! They do all this nice “religion” at the end of a gun! Iran ONLY wants to screw the US as they are in Iraq by giving IDIOTS lots of guns & explosives. IRAN is the enemy of peace in the Islamic world. They care NOTHING about what the people want or how many die as long as a few americans die amongst the thousands of muslims….

to Tim Simpson
Common misinformation. While the US did supply some arms to Iraq, it was very small in nature. A quick look at their arsnel would reveal T-72′s, Exocet and Scud missiles, AK-47′s and Mirage fighter jets. All those weapons are French and Russian with the exceptions of Scuds, which were Iraqi made. After 1984 the Russians stop supplying small arms to the Iraqis and that market was soon picked up by the Chinese.
If anything, Iran had more American equipment because they were allies with us under the Shah. Claims that we supplied them with biological weapons is dubious at best. What we did supply them was a small amount of technology for their radar and guidance systems.

Yes, ues and America supplied genocidal socialist dictator Joe Stalin with a whole bunch of munitions during WW2. So obviously the Cold War was our own damn fault! In fact, objectively speaking, if the commies hads nuked us in the 1950s, the reality would have been that we had nuked ourselves. So logically speaking, we should retaliate by attacking ourselves.
Good thing the Commies didn’t nuke us, huh?

NATO has been pretty clear about this: while the weapons are clearly Iranian, there is no evidence that they have been supplied by the Iranian government.
This is not yet the smoking gun the administration needs to go to war against Iran, but it’s a small step towards making that case.
Iran has a sure-fire alibi at this point in time, however: it can simply claim that it has no control over its own weapons caches (or no control over al Quds). No one believes this, but it can be spun as plausible in the current climate due to the perception that
western intelligence was wrong on Iraq.

Islamaphobia is not an answer!
The repression of women, beheadings, torture, terrorism, nuclear threats, jihads are simply imaginary! Can’t we all just get along?

craig, I’ve read plenty about, and during, that time and am convinced that bin Laden was not the bit player you suggest he was. Regardless of the details on the who though, my larger point was simply that the U.S. gubmint can NOT cry foul when Iran meddles, as it apparently is, when the history of the U.S. is full of this same type of thing. The gubmint (and from some of these posts, many Americans) had better start looking in the mirror and doing a little self-assessing before we go throwing stones (or nukes) around. We’ve lost the moral and ethical high ground when it comes to screwing around in other nations’ affairs and just end up looking stupid and hypocritical when we try to point fingers. Yes, it’s our men and women who are dying this time as a result of Iran’s apparent influence, and that is truly tragic, but what could we really expect?
BTW,
“I’m a vet as are many in my and my wife’s family. We have also lost friends, family and colleagues in combat related (KIA) engagements. But I think it is silly to suggest that only veterans or currently serving personnel are somehow the only ones who deserve to say how our professional military is used or military force is applied.”
Excellent point!

It is indeed difficult to believe that there are people so inflamed against the Republican administration in power that they would prefer to see our military hit with massive weapons from Iran than believe forensic evidence that would win in court.
I can but wonder if they want the USS Arizona dredged up and the torpdeoes and bombs which sunk it investigated to determine if in fact they were actually made in the Nippon empire.
The world is full of a lot of dumb people and these lefties prove it.

Like how Rumsfeld supplied Saddam with chemical weapons in the ’80s? ABC News? Don’t make me laugh. More like CIA News, amirite?

“Our Country won’t go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won’t be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race!” -LT. GEN. LEWIS “CHESTY” PULLER, USMC

Iran’s radical government represents a clear and present danger to the region and the world. Iran’s political establishment must snuff out democracy and freedom in Afghanistan and Iraq, otherwise Iran may find itself subject to the winds of change by its own restless population. If the radicals in Iran prevail and impose their will on their immediate neighbors as well as fulfill their nuclear ambitions, they will not stop there. The threats to wipe Israel off the map and humiliate the West had better be taken seriously. Personally I don’t think we should have went into Iraq. However, we are there now. Given the stakes, it’s in the free world’s interests that we ultimately prevail in our aims.

tadchem,
I thought from the start that we got rid of Sadam Ho-sen because he was an organizing force. Left to themselves, the tribes will fight amongst themselves like baby rats…until the next strong-man steps up. (If one does not understand their culture, one will sound like a Commie Liberal clueless idgout)

I don’t know who to believe anymore. Is this story about Iran supplying weapons to the Taliban merely a media hype? It’s possible. Is it possible that Iran IS supplying weapons to the Taliban. It’s possible. When you can’t even depend on your president to tell you the truth, well……… I DO believe this though: If we hadn’t invaded Iraq in the first place, we probably wouldn’t be dealing with issue at all. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: By invading Iraq, we have started something that I don’t believe we’re going to be able to stop for a very, very long time, if ever. So…sit back, pop a can of soda, and just watch the number of casualties continue to grow…day after day, after day, after day, etc.

How could the U.S. intelligence (questionable) services be so surprised and naive?
…….”the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. DUH.

To all you left wingers: If Iran is not supplying the arms, then who is?

Remember to tell all of your Democrat friends that there is no war on terror. We can resolve everything through negotiation and the criminal courts. Good luck, you idiots. Please commit suicide on your own. Leave me out of your mental illness.

Here we go again. White House Officials leak “official” documents to the US Media who gobble it up and check its authenticity through the White House. Here’s to buying us another war!

Another bush/cheney planted lie.
These terrorists who brought us
9/11 (bush and cheney) are stepping
up their campaign of fiction to
excuse their planned attack on
Iran.

What is reasonable about attacking a nation of people that didn’t attack YOU? “Let’s see….Osama’s operatives attacked us, and they are in Afghanistan, so….I know!…let’s invade Iraq. Yeah, let’s do that!” If you can explain that one to me, YOU should be in politics.

What? An Islamist regime funding America’s enemies? Why is this so hard for stupid liberals to understand? Do you really think it would all go away if we tucked tail and ran home?

A few comments:
1. Anyone that thinks ABC is supporting President Bush is NUTS!!!
2. I keep seeing you mental midgets saying “the US supplied arms to the Afghans and they are used against us, we supplied arms to Iraq and they are used against us…” You idiots!!! Do you think bullets last for ever? That was nearly 30 years ago. Every thing that was given to the middle eastern countries has rusted or stopped running. The arm are coming from Iran and North Korea, trust me I know first hand.
3. And finally, if you don’t see the big picture and the plan for radical Islam to take over the world then just keep you head up you butt where is belongs. Just keep bowing at the alter of Al Gores church of man-made global warming and those of us who understand the dangers of the enemy we face will keep you safe and die to protect your rights so you have the freedom to be stupid.

This is certainly some very disturbing news if proven to be true. However, before we all go throwing around ad hominem attacks (especially the neocons and Wilsonians) consider this: When the United States began the war to remove the Taliban, it was Iran that was involved in secret meetings with our intelligence and special ops guys to help us do it (See Flynt Leverett). For Iran to turn around and support these folks with weapons and logistics is quite a journey indeed. Remember, the Taliban was the product of Pakistani intelligence, and had been viewed as a threat to the Shi’a state since it began ruling in the 1990s.
While I am certainly open to the reality that what is being reported is indeed what is actually happening on the ground, I remain troubled by the lack of historical support for this partnership and the recent push in Washington to conduct a PR campaign to “take-out” Iran’s nuclear program (a change from the standard line of Iran being a threat). If I were a neocon or a Wilsonian, rather than focusing my attention towards childish oneupsmanship, I’d instead demand more CONCRETE evidence to support these charges. After all, despite both sides best efforts, we still live in a Republic that should not be undermined by the jealous guarding of secrets that impact us all.
When Secretary Gates (who’s no slouch) comes out and says that government involvement in these acts is unproven–that undermines this entire argument that the mullahs are in cahoots with their historical enemies. Thus, do our country a favor and demand that the government release the evidence so that the citizens (and their elected representatives) of this country can make an informed decision. Anything less is unAmerican.

Yes Im for climate control in Tehren, Iran. I would like make the temp. rise to about 1400 degs. That should stop all arms smuggling ….

We, as a nation, are never going to be able to fix many of our problems if we don’t start working together to address issues using our collective common sense, instead of party affiliations. I’m so tired of hearing, “Liberals this, Conservatives that.” WHO CARES!! As soon as you start labeling someone, you automatically put them on the defensive, and you get nowhere. There is a difference between talking TO someone, and talking AT someone. The latter is pointless.

Romans 8:29, only time will tell …..

Seth Jones works for the RAND Corporation, not the Rand Institute.

I wish there were a way to make all of you liberal bashers move to Russia, Iran, or North Korea. You despise the democratic lifestyle so much, you should be forced to enjoy what you wish we had! Your ignorance is appalling, and your hatred of the U.S. and Britain is treasonous, but we know you are just plain “dumb bastards” who ignore the truth and the facts not matter how they are presented. You hate Bush? In his heart I know he hates you too! Pigs!

The USA is doomed I tell ya!
Between the ILLEGAL Mexican Invasion, the Drunk with their own Power Politicians
the Jihad against the West, the Politically Correct Ideology and the drugged-up so-called Educated Fools we are doomed.
Lord God have mercy on our souls

I understand the cynicism after large, specially marked, separate caches of WMDs manufactured after 1991 were not found in Iraq. (We did find hundreds of unmarked chemical munitions mixed in with others, made before the first Gulf War, which, by the way, breaks the treaty and proves Iraq lying about WMDs. But the so-called corporate media supposedly in bed with Bush has buried that literally explosive story).
But to claim that Bush et al lied is ridiculous. Why would Bush lie, state that there are WMDs in Iraq while knowing that none were there, if he knew that a war launched to find and intercept them would find none? That’s setting yourself up to be proven as a liar in a matter of weeks or months at most. Playground insults aside, he’s not that stupid, and Cheney and the others have certainly never been accused of stupidity.
Nor given the worldwide media hate festival against Bush since Florida 2000 at least, can it plausibly be argued that Bush expected the media to give him a break and ignore the story.
So obviously Bush believed there were WMDs in Iraq. So he did not lie.
So the constant relentless chorus of LIE LIE LIE LIE is itself a lie, a smear and a calumny.
You can argue that he was incompetent and made a mistake. But that means he should have given Saddam, a man caught before with a WMD program he had loudly denied pursuing, a three-time aggressor against his neighbors, an attempted assasin against a former US president, an open sponsor of terrorists including Abu Nidal (who killed Americans), the benefit of a doubt in the face of seemingly damning evidence. What responsible president could have done that, especially after 9/11 showed the danger of passivity?

As we all should know by now, Mr. Bush has been conducting operation against Iran for some time. Is it out of the relm of possibility that our good ole CIA wouldn’t contract with persons in Iran to move weapons over the border? Everytime one of these stories comes out, there is always the missing evidence that the gov’t of Iran is directly responsible, not that that will matter.
I hope all you backwards cap wearing, young college republicans are ready for the draft. We got Turkey preparing to attack the Iraqis Kurds, the Saudis ready to move in to aid the Iraqi Sunnis, Iran ready to move in of behalf of the Iraqi Shia, Isreal ready to nuke them all….ya see Mr. Bush is going to set up the next Pres. to make all the tough decisions, including a draft. Hey, why don’t we ever hear about all the weapons the Saudis have move into Iraq, you no, the Saudis, the people who attacked us on 9/11.

Bush did lie about the certainty of Irag having WMD’s. The neocon crap exaggerated evidence in the face of military & intelligence officials. When they were confronted, they lied harder & attacked the voices of moderation. And the sorriest part about this story is – Bush’s lack of integrity has thrown doubt over every piece of intelligence the US will ever come up with. There was a day when Richard Clarke’s statement would have been 24-karat enough, but not any more. Iran probably is supplying the Taliban, particularly since Bush & Cheney have targeted them. But we can’t just accept & believe anything anymore. It makes me sick.

Didn’t the US supply the chemical weapons to Iraq, that they then used on Iran ???

Is Taliban al-qaida?

Good morning Americans.
Tomorrow morning at 4.00 am American and Allied forces will be landing in force on the beaches of Normandy in Northern France. We believe the beaches include Gold, Juno and Utah. Our sources say that about 400,000 men will storm the beaches from landing craft and start the liberation of France from the NAZI held forces. We do know the 8th infantry and 4th infantry regiment along with the USS LCT 855 and the USS Bayfield (APA 33) which is the flagship for Utah Beach landings.
General Eisenhower did ask us NOT to publish this information but we felt it was in the best interest of our nation. The President did not get a warrant to start this aggression against the German army so we must inform you about this transgression. We also found out that the U.S. and allied air campaign which is now in progress involves a three phase plan including the destruction of the Luftwaffe, isolation of key battlefields beyond the beaches and the allied airforce concentration of air power on rail and road networks.
When you wake up tomorrow our boys will be on the beaches of Normandy so we must publish this information today to let you know. The President should have requested permission from a judge to invade France with a phiser warrant. If any of your son’s die during this attack don’t blame us, blame the President. It’s his war, he started it after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. The Germans did not attack us, so why are we invading France. We say impeachment is the only solution and let the boys stick to fighting the Japanese and re deploy our forces to Tulsa OK. I know, we are weak and we are liberal but we will do anything to undermine the President during war. ( Even at the expense of liberating France)
Have a great day. Best regards
Editor of the New York Times
June 5th 1944.

I think some of the positions the libs take are nothing short of dangerous. We try and keep this country safe and whether we take action of not, they bitch. Why don’t they drag their asses to France–the land of inaction?

Why have we not turned Iran into a parking lot yet is beyond me. They do not need Nuclear plants to produce power. If they get Nuclear weapons they will hold the world and Middle East Hostage. We need to take these plants out soon.

LOL Mike…totally.
There is not doubt Iran is fighting us in a proxy war in both Iraq and Afghanistan; terrorists in both places don’t have the sophistication to rig the EFPs that have been killing our soldiers in both places; the spike in deaths in Iraq are directly attributable to these Iranian-made bombs. By the way, if you doubt that, you’re a moron.
Proxy wars are nothing new, but in the past WE were allowed to fight back through a proxy. Not so now. The question is, in the face of repeated instances of American blood on the hands of the lunatic Mullahs in Iran, now what do we do? Go through the U.N.? What a joke.

War in Iran may be avoidable. But it’s probably inevitable.
While there’s a good chance that Iran is really supplying the Taliban with materials, who’s supplying Iran and the other self-declared enemies of the west? China and Russia are (as well as France).
It’s Chinese and Russian nuke-tech, MIGs, and guns. Oh yeah, there’s some German and French made stuff as well, remember Iraq’s French-made anti aircraft systems and the German-made bunkers. So our international economic competitors are supplying our enemies with weapons, including nuke-tech.
Maybe at some point, the anti-America nuts will realize that it’s not the US that’s stirring the war kettle.

Trust me Mickey, civil war is coming soon enough. Give it time. You can see the hate Americans have for each other right here in this forum.

This is so silly.
Iran HATES the Taliban. They nearly went to open war with the Taliban in 1999 and 2000 over border disputes, and went to far as to have a 10,000 man military exercise near the Afghan border in order to signal to the Taliban that Iran would take no more crap from them.
Taliban is Sunni, Iran is shiite.
This is pure propaganda pushed by the United States. Remember that NATO is an American construct.

Just bomb Iran already and get it over with. Isn’t that what all this rhetoric is leading up to? And conveniently just in time for the election. Watch the situation in the Middle East escalate exponentially right before voters go to the polls in 2008. The atmosphere will be “Vote Republican, we can’t afford to switch partys in the middle of this chaos.”

If you are assuming Iran is supplying the opposition with weapons just because they are using Iran-made weapons, then the Russia must be supplying them grenades, as one of your previous articles mentions how they are being used by the enemy.

With Iran giving weapones to the Teliban only shows that it may be very true that they indeed are developing nukes. Why is are government taking so long to do some thing about Iran? They need to take action now before it’s too late. All there has been is nothing but talk. I hope I won’t see the day when things are completely out of control. I don’t like wars any better than any one but if it needs to be, then be it! We got to do our best to protect our selfs.

What’s that old Islamic saying???? Oh yeah “THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND”.
Sunnis will provide Shias with weapons to fight the Crusaders until that battle is finished. Then they will go back to killing each other.
Iran is part of the Axis of Evil and has been a pain in the worlds butt for a long time. Time for a little street justice. In the form of a mushroom cloud.

I think what some of you aren’t understanding is that there ARE weapons and supplies coming in to Afghanistan FROM Iran, that are coming TO various insurgent groups. The only SPECULATION is whether or not it’s SANCTIONED by Iranian POLICY. It’s the same on the other side of Afghanistan with Pakistani Intelligence. It’s interesting that you liberals give the benefit of the doubt to foreign leaders for the behavior of the agencies under them, but how leaneant would you be on Bush if, oh, I don’t know, a soldier killed a civilian? But you’re right, the media is SOOOOOOO right wing….it must make you sick every day to see all the positive coverage that bush gets. You’re all tool boxes.

Well I think why WWII was a winning war for the Allies without Nazi insurgents in Europe was due to the dumb bombs and massive destruction of civilian infrastructure that the US helped to rebuild after the war. Something to say about carpet bombing of towns and massive civilian loss. The terrorists dont care about civilian deaths. Hey someone here in this war is going to play for keeps and it doesnt seem to be us with this PC war we have been doing.

Thank you Jimmy Carter.

Some of us have fought for what we believe in. My question for you mickey is this: Is there anything worth fighting for?
If you are more concerned about your own personal safety, or the “image of America around the world” than the protection of your fellow citizens, and Nation — I pity you.
For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
“Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. Marines don’t have that problem.” President Ronald Reagan, 1983.

Isn’t it time Europe got of their butts and started handling some of the load in the Mid-East. It is ALWAYS American kids doing the dying. The despots and tyrants represent a much greater threat to Europe than us.

Oh…one more thing. Before the next word slips from anyone’s mouth about how we should deal with Islamic Extremists, or what Sunni’s and Shia’s will or won’t do for one another. Do some research so you can hide the fact that you’re an uneducated opinionist who genuinelly enjoys wallowing in your self endulged ingnorance. Because the long and short of it is, as much as the extremists on both sides of the Muslim fence hate each other, they hate YOU even more. They just struggle for power, it’s you infidels (and believe me you all fit into that catagory, just for living in America, Canada, Europe, or anywhere that isn’t an Arabic Theocracy) that they whole heartedly believe should be purged from the earth. So…who else is for just pulling out because “terrorism” isn’t a big deal in the middle east?

To those who doubt everything the Bush Administration says, I will give you a story every sensible person will believe. It is not Iran supplying the arms to the Taliban and the insurgents in Iran, it is none other than the DNC!!! Now that is a credible story, isn’t it?

While our mission in Iraq is failing, Brian Ross, the ultimate grandstander, wants to instigate a war with Iran. Apparently, we haven’t shed enough blood in Iraq. Suddenly, the media, tripping over itself amidst the frenzy and looking for another war to cover, is salivating over the possibility. President Bush is doing everything possible to aleienate Russia, the only nation that has persuasive influence over Iran on America’s behalf. And of course, the Congress will go along and later claim it was misled.

GSD posted: “Mahmoud Ahmadinejad(The Iranian Pres.) may be many things but he wasn’t someone who captured American hostages, or held them back in 1979
Look it up.
~~~~~
Well, sorry – did look it up. This is what WIKI says on old Mahmoud:
“Ahmadinejad was politically active as a student during the 1979 Iran hostage crisis, and represented the University of Science and Technology in the Students Movement at the Central Committee for the “Office of Growth of Unity of the Students” where the plan for the embassy takeover was presented. Reportedly, he first opposed the take-over or supported a larger plan that included the simultaneous take-over of the Soviet Union embassy until the Ayatollah Khomeni gave his approval of the US embassy take-over. Several former hostages and the former President of Iran have identified Ahmadinejad as one of the key individuals holding Americans inside the embassy.” [footnote references deleted to save space]
See:

Richard, you may have something there. Al Gore is try force the world back to the stone age like the Islamic terrorists want to prevent global warming so he has his friends at the DNC sending weapons to Iran to arm the terrorists. Yes, I like it.

Look there are even Iranians at GTMO. The entire world thought that Saddam had WMD including the Clinton Administration. The UN still has a WMD team in Iraq. That is not a neo con argument. Iran has made no bones about their agenda. This is not a neo con issue…an American one.

“even if they have to do some business with a group that has historically been their enemy.”
I think I have heard that somewhere before… Like Sadaam was secular…and wouldn’t work with jihadists…

It stinks that aggression will have to be the means to thwart the Iranian government with the Iraqi mess next door, but we have little alternative. Note: Iranians export their petro but import their gas (no refineries).

The number of terror appologists that comment here is sad.

The world according to liberals: There are no enemies, unless Bush has created them. The only real enemy of humanity is Bush. I’m sure if they dig long enough they will find out that Cain’s last name was Bush.

Go! Jeff the Gore thing makes as much sense as dome of the posted BS.
Amazing how These folks have NO personal experience with any of this.
Have you heard about Osama finding a lantern with a Genie inside? And, the Genie granted each one wish. For his wish Osama wanted a mile high wall built around Iraq, Iran, & Afganistan. The Genie built it. Ole “mammood” wanted all infidels thrown out. Done. The Lone American, a Cajun, for his wish asked that the whole thing be filled with water.
Instant World Peace………

Some naive left wing idiots in here huh?
These reports are coming from NATO, not the US government.
Its also funny how you libs say the media is right when besides foxnews which is impartial is silly. This media is more left wing then Howard frigging Dean.
All libs should be shipped out of here to Canada or China.

Here’s the kicker. Why dont the moderate muslims do anything about the extremist element in there mists. They say and do nothing and leave it on our door to clean up the mess. Or they elect the fundimentalists to power????Thats just as bad as the terrorists.

Every Govt gives spins to media report in there favor so does this govt.
core issue is that most of afghan people think US as imperialist so they fight against them they will find weapons from black market , even US suppliers in black market will be ready to sell them weapons if they got the money.
it is US foreign policy taht is dictated by economic banefits rather than values.it is hurting US global image very badly there is a urgent need of damage control to fix image in outside world.

Let’s send Paris Hilton over to Iran to smooth things out with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad .

I for one am all for bombing these SAVAGES back to the 5th century where they are still living anyways …. Kill em all , let Allah sort them out … Never forget this is all about Radical Islam vs the free world ….They hate us cause we are christian and support isreal…so lets just get this on and over with …time to ramp it up and Fight

All you people who just can[]t believe Iran would assist the Taliban are the ones fooling yourselves. And for those of you who want “hard evidence” from a “non-corporate media” source, what exactly do you want? A picture of President Tom (Aminnijaad sp??)loading a truck. Or perhaps a signed credit card receipt showing the Republican Guard of Iran paid for the weapons. You people will never be satisfied. You hate any use of our military power

The cynicism and overintellectualizing that permeates these comments is just what the Taliban, Iranian government, and Al Qaeda hope for and depend upon in order to defeat us. Congratulations to the FINAL American Generation.

By the amount of posts here that say we should nuke Iran, it has become clear that there are too many Americans who are blood thirsty (even if in reality this is still a minority). NUKING Iran would have extraordinary repurcussions. Especially because our excuse for NUKING them would be to preempt the possibility of nuclear proliferation (and saying, “you are fool to believe Iran would not proliferate is NOT proof”). This would encourage nuclear proliferation more in the long run because it would tell all the people in the world that the US is willing to NUKE you for next to no reason.
Iran is not a threat to us if we don’t want them to be. Don’t forget that to the best of their knowledge we have been planning regime change for a long time. Why would they not try to bog us down in the two conflicts right over their borders. They have no reason to believe we are not coming for them no matter what they do. Especially since they helped us take our the Taliban in 2001 and we thanked them by calling them “evil”.
What if we were a relatively weak nation like Iran (they would not even stand a chance against Israel or Turkey), and China invaded Canada and Mexico and occupied them for the last five years? And what if some leaders in China made not so subtle comments about their also invading us. How would you feel about that? Would you sit back a let it happen,or would you try to prevent it somehow?
There is no cause and effect here, only circular logic. The inability for the a large number of people to put themselves in the shoes of others is what causes conflict. We are only concerned with retribution (and now preemptive retribution) rather than reconsiliation. If you take the time to understand and critically look at yourself and your own actions from the point of view of another, you may learn something about yourself. If the other person is able to do the same thing, then you may become friends (again).
In this Iranian situation I would spend the time understanding Iranian culture and history from unbiased sources (that means not Republican or Democrat) befor you make sweeping proclamations about whether the country is collectively “evil” or not.

We armed the Taliban (Freedom Fighters) in the 80′s because Reagan saw that was a key to the destruction on Communism in Russia and maybe across the world. It worked. What we didn’t know was what Bin Laden would become today. The biggest mistake was when Reagan armed Saddam with bio-weapons to use on Iran. There is no doubt that Iran has had a big influence in this war. I forget the exact numbers but Iran owns something like 9 of the 14 media companies in Iraq. Somehow we have to shut Iran out without starting a new war. I don’t know if that is possible. Between their weapons/funding and our whippy war techniques (thanks to the libs during the Vietnam) they have cost us all this time and the war so far. This thing could be over.

Wake up people. Richard Clarke, who cannot stand Bush, Rice or anyone else in that administration said this above:
“It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that’s doing it,” said former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant.
A guy who testifies against Bush about 9-11 in front of millions doesn’t have an ax to grind. THINK! WHERE ARE TERRORISTS WHO HAVE NO MONEY GETTING THEIR WEAPONS FROM? THEY AREN’T MAKING THEM. A STATE HAS TO BE PROVIDING THEM!

Simple Fix to the Roadside bombs… Make an announcement…From Here on out.. our artillery and Bombers will level 4 city blocks around every IED that goes off.. Period. no warning no clearing of the area, It just ceases to exist…. since this is an Insurgency…let the population control it…Start placing Snipers on roofs of buildings.. and taking out anyone seen w/ a weapon… Period. no warnings NO getting “clearance to shoot” just dead. If it is a War.. Fight it like one

max2424, I can tell you are not familiar with history. Does the quote “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mean anything to you? Does the USA/Russia coalotion fighting the Germans in WWII mean anything to you? My country is suffering because of people like you and their over civilized lifes. I pray i don’t become so civilized I fail to recognize evil.

The United States cannot allow this sort of crap to continue. We were the laughing stock of the world during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. It’s time for the US Military to use our superior weaponry and strike the Iranians hard & heavy in an attack they will never forget. Freedom through military strength and the will to utilize it when necessary. If only Patton was still alive and still in the service.

Yeah, don’t believe this article. If it’s not on the DailyKos it’s crap! Idiots!

Here we go again does anyone pay attention to history and I mean recent history like what has happened in the last 5 years.

The only people we should be pointing at reference the Iraq war is the politicians that voted to support it because of political reasons. These people where handed a copy of a CIA report outlining the information our intelligence community compiled on Iraq.
Keep an eye on the news, many have now admitted they DID NOT READ THE REPORT.
Hillary said “I was thoroughly and frequently briefed and I didn’t feel the need to read the report. WOW she is definitely presidential material.

Iran IS arming, feeding, funding and training anyone in Afghanistan and Iraq – Shia or Sunni or Wahabbi – who could disrupt or derail the Mullah’s worst nightmare – the attempted creation of tolerant, egalitarian societies without the secret police or the religious police, a free, uncensored press, open transparent elections, judiciary based on the rule of law, public treasuries open to public scrutiny. These things are like kryptonite to the Islamic Republic’s intolerant, murderous, corrupt, gender apartheiding, honor killing regime.
Seymour Hersch may have stumbled onto the idea of a ‘Fig Leaf’ Coalition (remember all that hardware America sold Saudi last year? Or the Arab Leagues’s condemnation of Hiz’B'allah’s chicanery in Lebanon last year?) to launch ‘Operation Great Satan’ – the massive, decapitating blitz on the top 20% of Iran’s ruling clerics and minions, their allies, their precious assets. And to quote General Clark in “Winning Modern Wars” “…and there’s nothing they can do about it…”

To you liberal conspiracy freaks that love to bash the US. And our reputation, saying stupid things likes “911 was an inside job”. Why do you not pursue the Russian convoy that was aloud to leave Iraq just prior to US troops pulling into Bagdad winding its way into Syria? Why do you not ask, why has Bush not said a word about the mobile missile interceptors Russia sold to Iran 8 months ago or the shoulder fired Russian anti tank anti aircraft weapons used in Lebanon against the Israelis’? Poor Putin, crying about our planned missile shield, is trying to get his face on every news paper fighting his own proxy war in the Middle East and Bush refuses to bring it to light. Could it be that some of the Hard line KGB is still upset about Afghanistan, which Bush refuses to make this a war Russia keeping it a war with radical Islam that attacked us on 911? Oh I am sorry this dose not fit with your, “hate Bush, hate conservatives, hate Christians, hate Jews, hate democracy, and love Marx ideology.
One more thing to you liberal American hating freaks I never hear you crying for all the innocent Muslims that have died at the hands of the Nazi like Muslim extremist, but hey, I guess they like watching there kids get blown up plus its all Americas fault?
A note to Europe and Asia get off your butts and start protecting your own hemisphere with your own blood and tax dollars and quit letting America carry your water. You get the best of both worlds. On one hand you Have America fight your war and get to criticize us knowing you benefit from a stable oil market more than the US…….
God Bless America and Are troops!
Edward

Brian Ross is not a real journalist. The blotter is junk. No more wars for oil or religion.

Geeez.. the only time anyone believes the media is when it reinforces your own “cherished beliefs”.
Yes, Iran is supplying arms to Iraq and Afghanistan. My brother Marines who have served in both those venues have told me that. The only question has been whether it’s sanctioned by the government or just “black market” trade. Best bet is both.
If you can’t figure out why Iran’s government would be sanctioning it you are an excellent justification for banning internet posting until you pass a basic IQ test..

And my apologies for being in a rush, I had every intention of saying Oprah and instead blindly typed out Opera. Hehe.
Maybe Oprah can listen to Opera during her sit down feel good sessions with world leaders in her new position of Benevolent World Dictator. Cause that’s all the world needs really, to chit chat…maybe Ahmahdingdong can reveal his father’s abuses and let it out with all of us together? Yes? Then we can sprinkle flower seeds all over the world.

I think Iranian nukes will need to rain down on New York and Jerusalem before some of the liberal Queens of Denial on this comment thread will come around to recognize the serious threat that Iran poses, and even then they will excuse their behavior and blame it on Bush-Cheney.

So what are we gonna do about it? Are we finally gonna check this regime or do we wanna give them Iraq and Afghan… it is ’39 all over again and nothing has changed.

If there were a Black Market for arms in Iran then Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would have been blown to smithereens by now.
Under a regime such as his, where there is not even a Black Market for free thought, there is no Black Market for anything.
It continues to amaze me how naive and ignorant Neo-Socialists (liberal useful idiots) are to Real-Politik. They simply become the mouthpeice tools of the coniving enemy.

This Bush Lied mantra is getting real old. I have a question for those who say there were no WMD’s. Where did they go? Saddam admitted he had them and there were stock piles (tons)of it before the first Gulf War. He threatened to use it against us and we went into battle fully expecting to be hit with it. ALL the news networks were reporting we would have tens of thousands of casualties if he used them, but he did not use them. The issue, for those who choose not to remember, was that Saddam could not account for what happened to them, hence the need for inspectors to search for it. How many years did we see reporting of inspectors showing up at certain sites and being turned away or let in later? The satellite immages of truck loads of stuff being moved from those sites while the inspectors waited to get in were published. We then found out that a member of the inpection team was a spy and telling Iraq where the team was heading. If there were no WMD’s, what did it matter where the team went and why not let them in? Why were truck removing materiels? Saddam agreed to report it to inpectors as part of the cease fire of GW1, which he violated. Either the “Bush lied” crowd is lying or they are ignorant of history…you choose.

I thought toppling the Taliban was the ‘good’ war that the Left supported after 9/11, going after Bin Laden and all that? So if Iran is funding these guys – who directly supported 9/11 – shouldn’t the Left be really, really pissed?
I mean, if this was the war the Left could actually support (rememeber, they criticize Bush for the Iraq war in part because it supposedly “took our eye off the ball” in Afghanistan), and which even the Europeans woudl support, then they should all rally to this cause and prepare for what might be inevitable action against Iran.
Somehow I doubt the Left or Europe has the stomach for a real fight, though. They would prefer to sit back and snipe. Typical.

Michael Williams said, “This Bush Lied mantra is getting real old.”
And he’s lying again, through this propaganda piece. The ‘anonymous’ source used in this story to convey false information to the American press, and by extention to sway public opinion in the US towards a strike on Iran, was born & raised right there in the ouskirts of Washington DC.

If you are not willing to fight for your freedom then you don’t deserve it. If we don’t handle the problem now who knows how bad it will be later.

Everyone needs to GOOGLE “Iran Contra Affair”.
Wiki:
“[Iran Contra Affair] involved several members of the Reagan Administration who in 1986 helped to illegally sell arms to Iran, an avowed enemy”
Selling weapons to ‘avowed’ enemies is a clear indication that those in the know don’t think their ‘enemy’ is very dangerous in the first place.

GOod going Dr. Williams. I too am tired of those who say Bush lied about the WMD’s that Sadam claimed to be present and then couldn’t account for their whereabouts when we destroyed them in this last “war”. Bush based his decision on the information at hand which was there were WMD’s in Iraq and they threatened us with their use. TO wait for a WMD to make it’s way to our side of the world is idiotic. If wrong, and we aren’t certain of that we can heg forgiveness later. I’d rather that than bury potentially thousands of Amreicans killed on our soil and then seek revenge. Iran should be next if they continue on their present course. Diplomacy first but these people have a history of appearing to agree to diplomatic agreements including inspections then object and don’t allow inspections as agreed. Isn’t there film of them using trucks away from the locatiosn to be inspected days before an inspection was to take place. What does evryinie think they were moving, parasols for peace? The spy in the inspection unit is well documented as well. If they were living up to the agreement why do they need to move anything. The answer is obvious. They’re liars and can’t be trusted. If we’re sure Iran is developing nuclear weapons then a tactical strike is called for and should be done immediately. How many suitcased sized nuclear weapons do we want on American soil? We could end up a distant glow on the Iranian western sky that they can bask in and talk about what fools we were in allowing them to delay our actions while they plotted our destruction. As a rule I believe in diplomacy but for it to work both involved parties have to be as committed to working out an mutually satisfying agreement and not use the diplomatic process as a stall to enhance the ability to destroy what they truthfully consider their mortal enemy. I’m for making them all martyrs if that is what they think will bring them the most honor in the next life. Let’s just make them martyrs before they send thousands and maybe millions of Americans to their maker.

Yes, how soon we forget. For all of you bleeding heart idiots, why not pack up and move over to Iran and notify your relatives.
Take a vacation over there and you’ll change your attitude, these Jack_sses have so much hatred for Americans period. Look at the beheadings of American civilians in Iraq. Don’t think for a minute that they won’t unite to fight us that at the big picture they want world dommination for Muslins.

Will someone ask this question at the next Democratic debate in place of the “what role will Bill Clinton fill for your administration? softball?

Maybe you all should focus on the fact that Iran is sending weapons to an enemy that is killing our soldiers, and maybe if they didn’t… just maybe, life would be a lot better…

Craig – ““Convert or Die.” What kind of religion is that? Not one that I subscribe to and one that needs to be wiped of the face of this earth.”
That sounds like an oxymoron. Kinda like “Death to all extremists”.

To Myron – Consider: Iran IS arming, feeding, funding and training anyone in Afghanistan and Iraq – Shia or Sunni or Wahabbi – who could disrupt or derail the Mullah’s worst nightmare – the attempted creation of tolerant, egalitarian societies without the secret police or the religious police, a free, uncensored press, open transparent elections, judiciary based on the rule of law, public treasuries open to public scrutiny right on their doorstep! These things are like kryptonite to the Islamic Republic’s intolerant, murderous, corrupt, gender apartheiding, honor killing regime.
Hope this helps.

Only one explanation: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy!

It’s irnoic that Killeveryoneneocon calls for peace with the Iranians — whose government calls for the death of others and us — yet his name says to kills Americans.
Are you stupid. Actually, yes you are. Talk with Iran? Would you talk with the local murderer who wants to kill your wife and children? I CAN SEE IT NOW:
Killeveryoneneocon: Hello Mr. Murderer, I wanted to get to know you better and your concerns — what you really feel.
Mr. Murderer: I hate you and want to kill, that’s how I feel.
Killeveryoneneocon: Great, so we’re opening up a dialogue. How can I help you with your objectives? Let’s try to find some common ground.
Mr. Murderer: I have nothing in commn with you as long as you keep your friends (Israel). End your relationship with them and i will say that we can get along. But then after we collectively destroy them, we will turn on you,too. Do you know why? Because if you give in to us, we will know you are weak and just want peace.You are pathetic.
Killeveryneocon: Ok, whatever you want. I’m sure that if we just give in to your demands now we can somehow find common ground in the future.I want you to know that I’m committed, no matter how many times appeasment fails, to believing you will somehow like me. I want to be liked, and I’m afraid of reality. My fantasies are very important to me.

Its a shame that people actually doubt that Iran is helping kill US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. What are you smoking? And all these “facts” sited are no more than liberal presuppositions. Get some common sense!

Where do these people get their information? Neo-cons, radical christianity? people please!?! We liberate people! We don’t suppress them. We spread freedom and opportunity to the areas of the world where there was none; don’t these people deserve the ability to enjoy life as we have here? All of you crazies need to come back to Earth and take a look at the reality of our purpose, not the picture your politicians paint for you. The liberals in this country have so many people brainwashed by these constant repetitive accusations and name callings against our president, against our country, and against our purpose! We are defending ourselves from a very real threat, while at the same time protecting the unprotected, where is the evil in that? Tell the people of New York, 9/11 is a bumper sticker. Tell the people of Iraq, the war is a political scandal! How can people be so naive? These are very scary times when the traitors in our country belong to the most respectable positions in our government, and run our mainstream media. We have nobody else to blame but ourselves, after all we put them there, and allow them to continue their treachery. Its time for a change and the only way that’s going to happen is by force. I hope my generation isn’t so full of these delusional people who fail to see the world for what it really is. We are the most powerful nation in the world as it is today. It’s time we started acting like it before that changes. Our enemies are ready to die for their beliefs, so let’s help them along their way.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
AND GOOD BLESS OUR CAUSE

Jabbadu: link please to claim of ‘hundreds of thousands of Iranian children running into a mine field to clear path for soldiers’?
While it’s certainly possible that the radical element of Iran would support such a move, it still is not the majority of the sentiment of that country.

My experience has always been: you ignore the enemy and they go away. Come back home. The enemy is drawing us in to a ‘major’, stragetic disaster; of which, they will find to be the greatest source of entertainment.

Hey Mary: tell that to Neville Chamberlain, who historically proved you incorrect.
Had we ignored Hitler, you would be speaking German and this time.

DEAR IMMensaMind | Jun 7, 2007 12:17:35 PM,
YOU ARE AN IDIOT. I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH YOU ARE ABLE TO HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION AND I THIS IS YOUR OPIONION THAT YOU WROTE ABOUT.
HOWEVER, THEY DID NOT SNEEK INTO POWER, THEY WERE VOTED IN AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC VOTED THEM IN. IF THE PUBLIC WANTS THEM OUT THEN THEY WILL BE VOTED OUT.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE FRONT? I HAVE AN YOU MAKE ME SICK BECAUSE OF THE MEN I FOUGHT WITH WOULD SAY THE SAME ABOUT YOUR OPINION, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE, YOU MY FRIEND HAVE BEEN THE IGNORANT FOOL WHO HAS WATCHED TOO MUCH PROPAGANDA.

Wow it amazes me the comments on here. People do not just hate Bush they hate America. if this country is so bad then leave and go to one of these great countries like Iran and let me know how things are going for you. Please stop with the hate America and just leave you are free to do so but once you leave do not come back whining because you had a taste of the life of being in Iran or North Korea. For those who say look at History and you can see America is the threat and terrorist need to actually read a history book instead of conspiracy websites. America has freed more people on this earth then any other civilization in world history. Ask South Korea if they would prefer being part of of the North Korean life and economy. Ask France, Germany, Poland , Italy and most every other European country if they would prefer being part of a Nazi empire. Ask the pacific island counties and Australia if they prefer their current lives or would enjoy being part of a japan empire ruled by a emperor. What about East Germany i am sure they would prefer to live under the rule of Soviet Union. South Africa would love to still be in apartheid, but of course people will say it was Nelson Mandela. Yea ok read history he was a leader of a movement but we backed him with money and political power to make a change. America feeds and gives more humanitarian aid to the world at a rate of 75% more then all other industrialize nations in the world. We give and give and give and what do we get in return our own people saying we are the evil in the world. Please read your history instead of listening to crazys on the left who have no ideas on making things better or imploring the lives of others in the world other then themselves. Tell me what ideas or plans left has, other then run from Iraq and go after everything Republican. If you want to jump on the socialist left then move to France as they are in that life style oh wait the socialist lost the election because the country has been going to hell in a hand basket because they give their people everything with there socialized programs. Watch how France changes and only thing the left socialist will have left is Canada which is a loose socialist society. Not the extreme socialist society the left wants to have. Give me stuf through programs and make them dependate on the government nad the left wing party. They is what they want to do and if you can not see that again read history. Very few socialist societies are still around and those that are, are not working to well. Learn your history of not just America and US but the History of governments in the world and show me where a left winged socialist society is thriving in this world.
Stop complaining about America and leave. I am not here to support Bush but i am here to bring reality to this so called Evil America. If it is so bad then go to another country were life is so much better for. Again we are so Evil that we are the country that most people would prefer to live in. Makes sine does it not that people from around the world would risk dying to get to this country for a better life and the people that are here can only talk about how bad we are. Wake up and think before you write your crazy thoughts down that you are copy and paste from your left websites.

TM:”I think Iranian nukes will need to rain down on New York and Jerusalem before some of the liberal Queens of Denial….”
I don’t think it will happen even then! Somehow we will have brought this on ourselves and SOMEHOW, we will have *MADE THEM DO IT* … somehow.
Keep in mind that in the liberal view, it is never the fault of the person who actually did something violent. It was their upbringing, their environment or they were picked on, abused, etc (Well, unless you are a conservative, THEN and only then is it truly your fault.)
Come on folks! Wake up! Failing to look at the bigger picture is seriously ignorant and limiting. Do you really think that anyone in the Iranian government is going to step up and say “YEP! We shipped those munitions! We’re really sticking it to you infidels!”
If you believe that then the prisons are full of innocent people. We all know that no one there will fess up to what they did!
What do you really have to gain by sticking your head in the sand? Just because you scream louder doesn’t make it any more true.
I guess you liberal guys/gals want Ahmadinejad to publicly confess and give a signed confession AND pass a polygraph?
Keep ignoring the evidence and facts and keep going with those “feelings” since we know that is the basis of truth *cough cough*
Do I think we should rush to war? NO. I think we should build our case and make it iron clad and do what is needed.
The bottom line is that Iran does not need to get nukes! It will not be good for the rest of the world!

Eric — “Are you referring to the civility that allows the US to invade a sovereign nation, and kill 100-200 thousand people in the process? I don’t recall Iran ever doing that, but then again, I have a different definition of ‘civility’ than you do. ”
How about the Greco Persian War from 499 BC to 448 BC? (and forget the movie 300 read Herodotus.)
Why raise the issue of national sovereignty? The bombing of the US Embassies in Africa was a direct attack on our soverignty. As was the bombing of the USS Cole. Why is our national soverignty of less importance?
If these radical islamic jihadis were not engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, where do you suppose the battle would be taking place?

Democrats are hilarious, ignorance sure does sound like bliss. Bush Lied, Iran is our friend, Hillary has a shot at the White House. I love the one dude who said he’d trust a foreign media source before an American one. I wonder how many 9/11′s we need before Democrats see the big picture. Democrats may be worse for this country than Al-Qaeda, at least most terrorists aren’t registered to vote. Good Lord.

Brian said, “People do not just hate Bush they hate America. if this country is so bad then leave and go to one of these great countries like Iran and let me know how things are going for you. ”
No Brian, the 72%+ of us love America, and we are in the process of taking it back from the fools that stole it from us in 2000, ran up a nearly $500 billion war bill, alienated our most important allies, and eroded our civil liberties back to where they were pre-WWII.

All of the America-haters on here that are spouting about US supplying IRAQ against IRAN are completely off base. Their good buddies, the French, Russians, and Germans, as well as several other nations, all far, far out-stripped the US in supplying arms to Iraq. Just because we supplied a shipment of this or that is meaningless when you take it out of context.
Furthermore, the story does in fact provide more information than the critics are implying. When the trucks are actually being tracked travelling out of Iran, and contain the exact same munition designs with the exact same faked US markings that are showing up in Iraq, then anyone with even sub-par intelligence can see that Iran is involved.

Jay said, “When the trucks are actually being tracked travelling out of Iran, and contain the exact same munition designs with the exact same faked US markings that are showing up in Iraq, then anyone with even sub-par intelligence can see that Iran is involved.”
US markings proves Iran is involved? That is quite a concept you have there.

Why does nobody get this?
Iran is doing this because it’s good for them financially. The conflict in Iraq raises the price of oil by suppressing Iraq’s output and, more importantly, by raising the uncertainty premium in global oil prices.
It’s also precisely why Iran acts as crazy as possible in the nuclear standoff – it makes them money. They’re a broke, backwards nation – they need oil above $60/barrel to keep funding their “bread and circuses” at home.
Iran doesn’t fear US invasion because they’re certain that we don’t have the political will.
The only thing they DO fear is losing their oil money.
The solution is simple: Make it unprofitable for them. If they continue to supply weapons to the Taliban, attack their oil infrastucture. It’s the only thing that would make them regret their behavior.
And nobody has to be killed.
The big downside? $100 oil.
It’s worth it.

WOW! liberal communists at their best!! derail the United States no matter what!!! Pelosi guilty of treason by the “logan act” but thats allright! I can’t take the communist infiltration of the democratic party any more!! who ever believes we can appease these Jihadists needs their heads cut off first!! read your history, its the third Jihad people wake up!!!! your grandchildren will be bowing to mecca 5 times a day!! if we don’t make them glass now!!!

I see the editor removed my post about the manure pile of un-informed opinions. Maybe because I mistakenly posted it three times. I don’t come here often and maybe that’s why I can still smell something rotten.
When I see so many people arrogantly spouting off and wasting time when they could be doing something constructive, I hang my head at the state of our society. Why not spend the time helping someone in need, and not trying got convince hard-headed people they’re wrong.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will soon suffer the same fate as Saddam Hussein.

it is true. i secretly worked there last year ( i was forced to work). iran leaders doing so many things you would not believe.

What’s all this liberal spank about international law? When the ’91 cease fire with Iraq was signed it was just that…a cease fire. Iraq since that time violated the cease fire agreement 1000′s of times by shooting at coalition aircraft who, again according to the cease fire agreement, where allowed to patrol the no fly zone. Iraq broke international law thousands of times and by international law reinstated hostilities…you liberal freaks need to be consistent.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that Iran is spreading weapons around the region. Those who blame the USA for everything are just a bunch of whiners. Maybe if Iran wants nuclear weapons we should give them all they want from the air! Turn Iran into a glass parking lot.

So now even ABC lies when the libs (secular socialists) disagree? Get over it. Evil exists overseas and its not us. Ever heard of WW1 and 2? Communist killing by the millions? The modern liberal much prefers all govt money go to expand socialism thus buying votes to gain liberal political power. Defend freedom anywhere is just too expensive. The Cult of Allah wants you dead because you are an infidel… end of story. I agree its going to take a nuc from the Cult of Allah to convince (most) libs… they just are not reality-based, they are hate and fantasy-based.

“If you want to have good relations with the Iranian people in the future, you should acknowledge the right and the might of the Iranian people, and you should bow and surrender to the might of the Iranian people. If you do not accept this, the Iranian people will force you to bow and surrender.” – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iranian News Channel (IRINN) on August 15, 2006
Sounds rather friendly…

Can you imagine if all the “blame America first” crown actually had to live in some of these countries they are so quick to defend? Talking to your neighbors while criticizing your leaders is enough to get you the long dirt nap in many of them. Just having to do what many in people in those countries do to survive everyday would cause most of them to kill themselves, because their pampered, easy existence would vanish like icy roads in Wisconsin in July. And their gratitude for not having to live a life of filth and squalor somewhere else? Dump on the nation that allows them their freedom to become “the useful idiots” Stalin loved. They must all lead some pretty pathetic lives, to act the way they do. Of course, I’m sure in their heads it’s all Bush’s fault. If we can only hold on until the queen assumes power, maybe she’ll give us what we need, with somebody else’s money of course. Remind me of whining children, all of them. Here’s a clue for you, your struggle is not with your nation, but with yourselves.

Folks,
Understand something, the reason we’re in Iraq and Afghanistan is to maintain an impressive force within the heart of the Middle East. If you look at a map, you will see that these two countries are the most centralized boarder-countries in their region, separated by Iran (Gee, will ya look at that! US forces control the two largest boarders for Iran. We don’t need permission for a fly-over strike or any other sorties. Seems rather smart to me. See ya, UN!!). Winning any “war” requires the tactical acquisition and control of land or “the hi-ground”, which in this case is Iraq and Afghanistan. Let me be clear, the reason we went to Iraq had nothing to do with oil or WMD’s, and everything to do with gaining the most tactical positions militarily in the Middle East.
Is there any doubt that the “War on Terror” will continue, as long as there are regimes in power who continue to teach younger generations to hate and kill Jews, Christians, Westerners, and any no-conforming Muslims? This is the
Evil that needs to change over there, which unfortunately, must come at the end of a sword.
For those of you who think Terrorism will go away if we leave, please do us all a favor and stick your head in a plastic bag for a few minutes. Maybe loosing some brain-cells will help your condition, or at least shut you up so work can get done!!
Wndrtch
“do something, even if it’s right!”

I sincerely hope that I don’t see the day when all of those that want to appease Islamic fanatics for whatever reason (Bush hate, fear, pacifism) are rounded up first by a triumphant Islamic world order and beheaded.
You are trying to find ways to keep from fighting an enemy that is diametrically opposed to every liberal cause and thought you have.
Need proof?
Show me the liberals and progressives in Iran or Syria. I don’t hear or seem them speaking too loudly.

BLAME BUSH BLAME BUSH BLAME BUSH!!!!!
If only most of you on these message boards took the time to re-evaluate your position and the half-truths which you’ve laid as the foundation for their childish arguments, we might just get the job done quicker (war on terror). Ironically, these are many of the same people who want to ACT NOW regarding climate change due to the fear of what might come 500 yrs. from now. If only they showed the same resolve in addressing terrorism which has already affected them in THIS LIFETIME and promises to get even worse if gone unchallenged. Apparently, they’re content just complaining. Maybe it’s out of fear? If so, that’s fine. Just stay out of the way of those willing to step up and stand up to these Islamic fanatics. What many critics fail to realize is that this country is split 50/50 and while many may disagree w/ some of the Bush policies, most do not HATE Bush (the person, the man). He’s a likable person which many in America relate to. They don’t hate him. I believe the critics need to find a way to rid themselves of all that hate before they ever have a chance to actually “GET IT”. In a way, they are victims of a relentless media which has bombarded them w/ daily negative stories, many half truths, rumor or just straight up lies since 2000. The daily pounding by the media towards Bush, the man and the war have unfortunately left a large # of people severely mis-informed and living in an alternate reality. They almost seem more eager to win a silly online debate w/ witty comebacks or catchy phrases than w/ actually addressing the problem Islamic fanatics pose to the world. Maybe they choose to do so out of fear given that it’s easier to bitch and whine than to actually try to tackle the problem? Who knows? Just count our lucky stars that we have tremendous volunteers like you marine who don’t judge these folks by their twisted logic, rather just see them as Americans! Same for Bush, I believe history will ultimately prove him right regarding the threat of Islamo-fanatics and I don’t see that as a stretch….I just listen to what the terrorist say and do. They’re not hiding their intentions to anyone. Yet for some strange reason, the critics refuse to acknowledge this threat?
We find the Iranians supplying weapons to the Taliban and the first thing that comes out of the liberals is ….it’s false, it’s Bush’s fault, lada lada lada.
Cry me a river while we true Americans protect ourselves from thse who have straight up stated they will not rest untill the west is destroyed.

I have always found it funny how a lib can watch footage of a baby gazelle having it’s throat torn out by a lion see it as ‘natural’ and strangely ‘beautiful’ or something…then somehow conjure this strange notion that somehow mankind is not a violent animal in his own right. When those who wish to do violence upon others rears his head…they want to ‘reason’ with him…because clearly it’s his daddy’s fault. Yes, violence is bad, but like in nature, it’s a part of life, and necessary when needed.

some of you liberals are just down right unamerican – th slam your commander & chief, slam your country – at a time when we are at war is disgusting & to be honesty with you we should remove your freedom of speech and you should be hyng for treason – you thing American is so bad, leave, get out, go live some place nice like Cuba (with Michael Moore), Iraq, Iran, Columbia – you know those places where people are killed for speaking out against their government. You hairy armpitted, tree huggin, berkinstock wearin, michael moore/clinton lovin liberals are a joke – I BEG YOU, PLEASE LEAVE THE USA – There are illegal aliens who are more american than jokers are – I hope Bush levels Iran. Remember the axis of evil, if your not with us your against us – back bone, grit, values is what this administration is all about

The left needs to understand that the terrorists will kill them just the same as they would someone on the right. Some lefties say the media was on bush’s side to help with starting the war. You gotta be kidding me. Everyone who does’nt have his head buried in the sand knows the network news abc,cbs etc…are leftist. Clinton had the same info as Bush. Clinton even had two chances to get ben laden but passed it up. He was to busy with the chicks under his desk.Cigars anyone? I admitt that Bush has not fought this war correctly. You can not fight a war and not have colatteral damage. The left would go crazy if he started bombing Irag and Iran out of existance. But that is what you have to do to win a war. Strike fast and hard.Show the world that we can not be messed with or consequeces would follow. unfortunately now a days no one has the guts to do it.

Nuke the entire Middle East….problems solved. Who wants ice cream?

Eric- Pleaqse specify what propoganda that led us here you are talking about. The people posting about “nuking” Iraq are speaking figuratively, not literally. I guess you don’t see that. Just what is the 72% you are referring to? If it is support for Bush, which at 28% is still higher than the Democrat Congress is getting from the American people, you should stop giving yourself so much credit. That is based on the fact that Conservatives don’t support him. With our support, we have made him President twice. Any other poll from the Democrat Misinformation Media Machine is a joke, considering their history of exit polling and calling states in elections. If it is anti-Conservative, they’ll manipulate it any way they can. If you ast only registered democrats “Would you prefer we continue in Iraq, or a $100 bill, I guess you would view the results as proper. I want to know the question asked, and of whom, before I ever buy into their manipulative crap again.

I see the ‘Nukem’ comments being tossed around a little frivolously. I for one think that Nukes are canned suicide. But with that said, what needs to happen in Iran is a CIA backed popular uprising coupled with American Special Forces advisers smuggled in along with backup by air support against key infrastructure and loyalist military units. When the dusts settles offer to provide stability for rebuilding efforts such as in Iraq…minus the prolific supply of IED’s and improvised munitions….cause the manufacturers will then be out of business.

Why is it any time someone does something against us, or they get caught red handed trying to do something to us, all of you small minded libs blame Bush or the US. When a country perceives a clear threat to its people or military, it must destroy the threat!!!!!!! We are going to have to take out Iran!!!!! Either now or after they kill 3,000 Americans! I just hope it isn’t those of us that WANT to protect our country that perish. But when that happens, you mindless drones will continue to blame us. One quick question…..what are you going to when Bush is no longer in office???? I sure hope there are support groups for your misguided anger. Dopes!!!

dmc saic, “We are going to have to take out Iran!!!!! Either now or after they kill 3,000 Americans!”
No, we are not going to have to take our Iran, and no, Iran is not going to kill “3,000 Americans”. I know that disappoints you, but it is the truth. It really is interesting that nobody was talking about ‘having to take out Iran’ back in 2002 when we were being fed the lies about ‘having to take out Iraq’.

His name was Bazooka agitprop. :P

Iran is nothing infront of Pakistan. Iran, is still trying to build nuclear weapons. Pakistan has had them for ages. Infact, Pakistan is primarily responsible for all the nuke technology going to Iran. I don’t know why Bush is so fond of Musharraf. Pakistan is the biggest hotbed of Islamic terrorism, despite its supposed moderate image. Even if you bomb Iran, Pakistan will just help make another one!
BOMB PAKISTAN!

The U.S. has been hated by the middel east ever since we put a military base with a puppet government in the middle east and called it Israel.

America does kick ass.
And I believe your notion of bully problems is a bit misplaced sakul…you know…the whole fighting back concept. Seems to be entirely a ‘wingnut’ notion.

Iran needs to be dealt with and dealt with harshly.
This is all the evidence that any nation should need to go ahead and take our the current Iranian regime.
On what grounds can Iran possibly justify supplying the Taliban weapons?
Iran is the #1 threat to world peace and the most likely to cause massive international instability.
They need to be dealt with yesterday.

I completely fail to understand why we don’t just GIVE Iran reactor-grade uranium in exchange for them stopping their enrichment project. They claim they’re only enriching it for use in reactors? Fine, we’ll give it to you already enriched if you stop your project. Reactor-grade uranium can’t be used to create nuclear weapons (weapons-grade uranium is much more enriched), so what’s the problem?

Finish the job! Iran is the nest that must be cleaned out! Iran is the final battlefield in the war on terror! Do a gut check and win the war! Waht a bunch of wusses!

Let me clear something up for you Eric. I spent the last 4 years in the U.S. Marines looking at those “imaginary” bunkers with my own eyes. My best friends looked at those “imaginary” tunnels with their own eyes. You can’t pretend things didn’t happen. Wars are faught for many reasons. The fact remains that the general public (including you) are NEVER told the real reasons behind them. It is called classified information. It protects both our people and our interests. So I am sorry you aren’t that important to be “clued in” to what is really going on. Leave that to the people with the guts to make those decisions! Like I said before, put your helmet back on before you bump your head again!!!

Most of you chicken hawk cowards who are advocating the bombing of Iran will sit back on your fat asses when the war starts, too afraid to join the military and fight the fight yourselves.
Its easy to bleat “bomb bomb!” from the safety of your own home, but when it comes down to it, most of you warmongers are too afraid to put your own sorry butts on the line.
Hypocrites, all of you.

Iran is the most terroristic nation in the world along with N Korea. The world should wipe tham out just because they cause EVERYONE trouble! We need a Wal Mart over there anyhow!

to all the Koolaid drinkers who doubt Iran is funneling weapons or other assistance to Irag and Afganistan, think again. Just listen to what Amadinajad says every time he gives a speach. He talks about the end is near for the Infidels and Jews blah blah blah!! Thats the US and Isreal! Pull your heads out of the sand and look at reality. We don’t need to go to war with Iran but we do NEED to criple them Economically and promote a new Regime. Otherwise we will be at war with Iran in a few years.

Well I would try to provide you with a link Sakul, but you see in your world every media outlet is controlled by the dirty stinking Jews and the webwork of conspiracy networks that are in the end controlled by aliens on the dark side of the moon. So, unfortunately, I cannot provide.

Shrillery Clinton, the folks talking about nuking them…”The people posting about “nuking” Iraq are speaking figuratively, not literally”
I think they ARE speaking LITERALLY. I agree, nuke’em. Anyone else jumps in the fight, go in, kill ‘em all, let GOD not Allah sort them out. Then wait for the next barking dog. the USA gives so much to so many, WE should be and are the world police and saving grace.

I would suggest everyone at leased read what Joel Rosenberg has to say about Ezekiel 38 and 39 relating to Iran. For those of you who hate Israel, you’re going to be seriously disapointed as Israel kicks butt again. US, secure the boarders, the Iraqi, Afghan, and US border.

Its clear that troublemakers like Iran and Russia are taking advantage of the current weakness of the Bush Administration.
The opportunity to do so results from our country’s media and its constant hype and push to discredit Bush in all ways and by all means. The media push has distracted the liberal politicians who now are only concerned with their desire to weaken the Republican Party and obtain power.
The lousy liberal politicians will eventually succeed in placing blame on Bush for everything but while they fiddle with that, the world will be backing America into a dangerous corner. The war that will result will make what is happening in Iraq look like childs play.

I think the ageing peaceniks are just trying to run out the clock until Charlie Wrangel’s call for reinstating the draft won’t effect them. “Iran is no threat.” “Give peace a chance.” “Can’t we all just get along?” “Let’s have a dialog.” “We need to try diplomacy.” “Drop acid, not bombs.”
Look at the ten year old children you come across and thank them in advance for the war they’ll fight, compliments of today’s leftist whimps, the same as those who would have kissed Hitler’s a$$ 70 years ago.

America does kick ass.
And I believe your notion of bully problems is a bit misplaced sakul…you know…the whole fighting back concept.
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That’s the problem. And Yeah, my notion of bully problems is there because I was a bully. Didn’t do me much good and I lost a lot of friends during that time in grade school. But, I grew out of it in ‘grade school’. It’s time you wingnuts do the same.

Sakul….you amaze me. You see, I wasn’t a bully….people tried to bully me from time to time.
And they paid dearly.
Hence, I was no longer bullied. So, the concept of fighting back is wrong in the opinion of someone who admits they were a bully…an act usually directed towards the children perceived weak and who do not fight back.
What’s the name of the planet you’re from?

All you ridiculous republicans: First you want us to listen to what Amadinajad says and then you want us to listen to the conservatives who hate Amadinajad and call him a liar? And that’s how you find the truth?
This article is bogus and I can’t believe that abc would give any credence to anything which favors conservatives. The only real news is coming from sites like Huffington, KOS, Media Matters, and Democrat Underground. Ignore everything else. Its all lies based on ratings.

So Iran is allegedly supplying weapons to Iraq and Afghanistan? I encourage those unfamiliar with the geography of the region to consult a map. With the US occupying countries to the east and west of Iran, you think maybe Iran is feeling a bit nervous? Apparently they are not only sweating bullets, they are sweating RPG’s and C4.
But now imagine that some country (Russia, China, Madagascar, whatever) had invaded and occupied Mexico and Canada. You think maybe, just maybe, the US would do whatever it found necessary to help Canada and Mexico fight its invaders? Maybe?

I’m suggesting that as Iran positions itself via proxy wars against us, it in effect is being a bully. The kind that sneaks up behind you and tries to push you over. If they wish to fight us then bring them out and fight in the open.
They have managed to be far more subtle than Iraq was during it’s decade stint of thumbing it’s nose at the UN and funding martyr attacks against Israel. You know, the attacks on aircraft flying in the no fly zone mandated by the cease fire?
;-)

But now imagine that some country (Russia, China, Madagascar, whatever) had invaded and occupied Mexico and Canada. You think maybe, just maybe, the US would do whatever it found necessary to help Canada and Mexico fight its invaders? Maybe?
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this kind of outright logic escapes wingnuts. Thus me laughing and slapping my knee at the sugestion that liberals don’t think. Right wingers think they rule the world, and they expect the brown people to feel the same way.
Here folks, a telling quote from a very right wing commentator…
“the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”
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Samuel P. Huntington

This shouldn’t be an argument of republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. What it should be is an argument of justice. Does the US Government have enough presentable evidence to say without a doubt that Iran is behind these munitions. Sure does look like they are, but this article falls short of definitive. As many have already said, the US media played a significant role in deceiving the people of this nation (and the world might I add) in the months leading up to the second Iraq war with articles very similar in nature to this one; passing off extremely good speculation as fact.
I for one will not be tricked into supporting another debacle the likes of the second Iraq war on false pretenses. I’m all for keeping our nation safe and dealing out intense punishment to our enemies… but it has to be based in fact… concrete evidence. I’m sorry, but, “analysis by a senior coalition official, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com” is not concrete enough for me. I want names, pictures, maps diagramming who, what, where, why, when. The US Government needs to present a case with no-holes to the American people… and until they do, no one should be jumping on the bomb Iran bandwagon. I can only pray they (the US Government) do their job before the warnings of more terrorist attacks on US soil end up coming true.
Michael
St. Paul, MN

…and “NonZionist” beleives every slogan Mao Tse Dung said.
ROTFLMAO!

We should make that area the biggest parking lot on earth. Or just fence that region of the world off let them kill there self’s off like they have been doing for the last thousands of years. They have been barbarians for thousand of years. They need to Evolve or be eliminated!

Ok, let me see if I follow the liberal logic… Premise: US intelligence on Iraq’s WMD program was faulty, flawed, or manufactured. Conclusion: Therefore all future US intelligence on enemies and potential enemies is faulty, flawed or manufactured. Do you people actually THINK about your arguments before you throw them out for public consumption?
If a police officer suspects someone of criminal activity, and while questioning the suspect, orders him to take his hand out of his coat pocket, because he is concerned that the pocket might contain a weapon, and the suspect refuses to comply with the order. The police officer doesn’t know conclusively and beyond doubt that there is a weapon in the pocket, but has reason to believe there is a strong possibility that it does contain a wepaon. What should the police officer do? Should he use force to make the suspect comply with his legal order? Or, should he allow the suspect to keep his hand in his pocket, and taking no action to enforce compliance with his legal order. Will one of you liberals please provide a serious answer to this dilemna? Then, just for fun, substitute the terms police officer and suspect, with United Nations Security Council and Saddam Hussein. You won’t give a serious answer though will you – you’ll just keep spouting your anti-Bush vitriol. But that’s the liberal way – attack the President, ignore the issues that lead us here.

When you are #1, nobody likes you, unless your willing to buy their loyalty, or you have common interests. So it is with the U.S. today. You “deep thinkers” who think this will change if we “quit being a bully,” etc.- It’s not going to happen. We are like a Buffalo surrounded by jackels trying to pull us down. When we go, it will be the next #1′s turn. So, we must remain strong. We must act in our own self interest. Sorry if this is the price of our living well here, but it is reality.

Therefore all future US intelligence on enemies and potential enemies is faulty, flawed or manufactured.
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No, just suspect.
Also, what the hell are you talking about? Saddam WAS complying with the inspections and the security council. Don’t you remember the Iraqi ambassador producing a 14,000 page document, documenting all the WMD activity (that ceased to exist in the early 90s by the way) that Iraq had been involved in. That was ignored. BUSH pulled the inspectors out, Saddam did NOT expel them.
And your little story would be more relevant if the suspect emptied his pockets, the cop didn’t find what he was looking for, so he wrote a misleading report to frame the suspect. Now that makes more sense.

Well I must admit, when you cannot view WHAT is being transported out of an area about to be inspected, only that tractor trailers are being viewed via satellite LEAVING said area, you can’t really put your thumb on what was in his pockets.
But he’s given us ideas before. You know, the Kurds and the poor pitiful Iranians that are our friends and peaceloving now?

The lefties that said it is good that afghanistan getting weapons to defending itself from our agression, apparently only champion women and minority rights when it is a tidy business, or within our own borders?

Iran’s new President has openly endorsed the destruction of “Zionist Regimes”, any friend of such a regime is subject to the same sentiment.
Iran is not an ally, and while we are not fighting with them, our failure serves part of the Arab Fundamentalist Extremists’ purpose. Supplying weapons to a different “tribe”, such as the Sunnis, within the Arab world to facilitate own destruction or failure SERVES their purpose!!
It is not unrealisitc to think this is possible! Fundamentalist Extremists look at our Military Mission in the Middle East as a War against ARABS (hence the term EXTREMIST), and Fundamentalist Extremist Arabs will unite with other Arabs, fight and die for they see as “Arab” causes, then they’ll go back to fighting each other as they have for centuries.
The point is that it doesn’t have to be obvious to be POSSIBLE, with or without the evidence!

Sadam Hussein HAD WMD. How do we know this? Because he slaughtered his own people with them. That has been documented and verified.

Sadam Hussein HAD WMD. How do we know this? Because he slaughtered his own people with them. That has been documented and verified.
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that was in the 1980s, when we were supporting him and supplying him with the crap. We were all for him slaughtering Iranians. Why didn’t macho man Reagan invade Iraq then, for using wmds?

ABC NEWS – Exactly.
I would be the first American to call for a complete withdrawal and isolation of the entire gulf region, were it not for one little problem: oil. Oil is why we’re engaged there. Our countries appetite for oil is enormous. Liberals AND Conservatives rely and depend on it every second of every day. Without it our country would shut down and we’d starve. Whatever political strip you are, you must admit this. I would take the liberals much more seriously if they said 1) Our dependency on gulf oil is why our soldiers are there and 2) in order to get us out of there quickly, were going to let the big bad US oil companies drill Alaska and build refineries. I shake my head at the hypocrisy of both the Cons and Libs as they tool from strip mall to strip mall in their Expeditions and Navigators, the Cons with their yellow ribbon magnets and the libs with their impeach bush bumper stickers…. YOURE the problem and YOURE why our troops are there – to feed your insatiable appetite for oil. If everyone who wants us out of Iraq were to park their cars, turn off their lights and walk to work tomorrow (not that your employer would be able to open their doors) we would need to have our army on the other side of the world defending and dying for your oil. Unless and until you’re willing to do that, get used to being the “brown man’s bully”.

Sadam Hussein HAD WMD. How do we know this? Because he slaughtered his own people with them.
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Why didn’t Saddam get hung for THIS atrocity. Why was the ‘gassing of the kurds’ never mentioned in the court. Why did they want him strung up in a tree asap after this verdict? Because the powers that be didn’t want it coming out as to where Saddam got the gas from.

POOLS CLOSED

He did not so much as come right out and say it Sakul, that would be ignorant. He’s too smart to do that. However, he has implied this. Implications are polispeak…only Khrushchev was so dumb to come right out and say “we will bury you.”

“the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”
“In Eurasia the great historic fault lines between civilizations are once more aflame. This is particularly true along the boundaries of the crescent-shaped Islamic bloc of nations from the bulge of Africa to central Asia. Violence also occurs between Muslims, on the one hand, and Orthodox Serbs in the Balkans, Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma and Catholics in the Philippines. Islam has bloody borders.”
“Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.”
Samuel P. Huntington

I’m so weary of hearing this “we supported Iraq in the 80′s” argument. Maybe I can educate at least one person here.
Yes – we most certainly did support Iraq in the 80′s after the Iranian Islamic Revolution. And before we supported Iraq, we supported the Shah of Iran. We have played both sides against each other since the Gulf became a strategic national interest due to the discovery of the worlds largest proven oil reserves. US policy on the Gulf states was (and is) to promote a controlled and manageable amount of instability, and to not allow any one Gulf state to become powerful to the point of dominating the region. Why, to keep the oil flowing. Is it fair? Nope. Is it moral, maybe, maybe not. But it is REALITY. You want to drive a Hummer and heat your swimming pool, then people are going to have to die for you to live that lifestyle. Stop blaming, and start taking some responsibility!
I fought in the first Gulf War, was an intelligence analyst attached to Task Force Ripper – Marine Expeditionary Force and took part in the re-taking of Kuwait from the Iraqi Army. I had not illusions as to why I was there in 1991 and I have no illusions as to why the next generation is there today.

sakul, as I said above, these religious zealots need to GET OVER IT! France helped America in its war for independence from Britain. Does Britain hold a grudge against France? Does Britain export terrorism into the streets of Paris?
Ummm…not quite. Why? Because the West is, dare I say it, MORE ENLIGHTENED. The Middle East, excluding Israel, operates with a junior-high-schoolgirl mentality. “So-and-so did such-and-such to me in 4th grade; God I hate her!” GROW UP ALREADY!
These people have an irrational hatred of the West, a hatred rooted in an archaic, misogynistic, anti-intellectual religion–that’s the problem. It might not be politically-correct, but there it is. To quote Jonathon Swift: It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
So you just keep handing your lunch money over to the bully, hoping he goes away and leaves you alone. Let me know how that works out for you…

TommyD- Hell,they’re living in the 15th century now- How far back do you want to send them?

What stikes me as odd is that with about 90& of their population living in eight cities, the Iranians would threaten the destruction of Israel. Israel could easily destroy those cities and associated military sites if the Iranians ever present a real threat to thier survival.

This goes to show hindsight is 20/20. When we defeated (yes libs, defeated) the Iraqi Army, early on in the war, our Mission Accomplished moment, the President should have authorized the units to turn east and the units in Afghanistan to turn west. Iran has been formenting Islamic terrorism across the globe and the government, ayatollahs, and generals of this nation need to be given a quick kick to let them know who they are messing with.
I don’t need to see “proven” reports from the mainstream media, the Euro press or underground blogs; I knew from day one that Iran and Syria were involved in providing material support to terrorists and insurgent forces in Iraq.
Get those B2′s flying again over Tehran and Damascus!

My complaint isn’t that we went to war but that we went so unprepared. 500,000 troops went to the Gulf war and there was no question about how it would come out from the beginning to the end and no-one in the region was about to challenge what we did. The same could have been the outcome in Iraq if we would have taken the trouble to determine the right order of priorities. To go there while leaving the Afgan situation unfinished was wrong and there was plenty of evidence to warn us of the folly of going into Iraq as we did.

Another reason you close and guard all areas of borders,in Iraq,and even more in the place the so called Terorrist want to kill us the United States. As long as we have an impearialist government, faciast idiots in Washington, that dont live by the law of our land, you can see why we have no trust in these fools.
If in fact Iran did get caught,with what they say, then again, why hasent GW done anything to stop it period! and make Dame sure our fighting men and women, are assured, our government is protecting them or NOT! Weapons of Mass Confusion, have been found, in the oval office

Don’t get me wrong… the Iranians are the mischievous brother that’s running amok because he thinks that Mom and Dad have their hands full with the other kids. A swift kick in the ass will set him straight, for the time being at least. And by swift kick, I mean knock out a few of his nuclear “research” reactors, and smoke a few divisions of his beloved Revolutionary Guard. And no, we don’t need to nuke them or annihlate them – did’nt you guys learn anything from this Iraq mess? We “remove” their army, and all the other knuckleheads in the neighborhood will start showing up to see what sort of trouble they can stir up.

Here is a problem solver, pull out all troops in middle east and from all bases all over the world and send tanks and jets to our borders of mexico and canada and dare people to cross the borders. If they try to cross mow them down! takes care of immigration for the future. Tell all the other countries to deal with their own problems. If anyone tries to do terroism in this country shoot him/her on White House lawn on national tv. Oh yeah about Iran NUKE THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGES!

Bill, I agree with you 100%. Wars are always fought for the procurement of resources. Watch 2001: A Space Odyssey…the “fight” between the primate clans over the drinking hole was no doubt how the first wars would have looked. War itself was crucial in the formation of structured society…to best protect and defend…and attack when necessary. I can’t stand the peaceniks of the world who choose to ignore this fundamental side of humanity, in that we are capable of violence…and at times applied violence is necessary. But would you agree that to establish the cornerstones of a freer society in an effort to slowly rid the world of tyranny (or push it back into it’s hole at least) is not a noble task to undertake? Not criticizing here, just want your take.

Brilliant Matt. Then we can all walk to the soup line together and talk about the good old days when we owned cars and had jobs.

A swift kick in the ass will set him straight, for the time being at least
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Yeah, kinda like ‘shock and awe’ set those pesky iraqis straight eh…

Before we believe anything the neo-cons are promoting, may we please have a NAMED source for this information?

The vast majority of fighters in Iraq are foreign nationals that crossed a border that was not sealed Sakul. A common theme it seems with Bush. This is one of my grievances with the handling of a few things over there. But the mission is just in my mind.

All these, “Americans”? who hate this country so much, need to leave and go to the country of their choice.
I LOVE AMERICA, WARTS AND ALL!!!!

JB- Please scan and post your Ivy League Diploma and authorization to fly military jet aircraft. If you have neither, then the “imperial, fascist, idiot” in Washington is at least twice as smart as you, be virtue of his having both. Therefore, if he is truly an idiot, as you claim, that would make you either a moron or a parrot for your media maSSters.

What a joke this article is.
Starting first with Iraq, the Iran backed Shites are firmly in charge. We suppor them. So why, on God’s green Earth, would Iran arm radical Sunnis knowing they will use those arms to kill the Iran backed Shites?
They would NOT. The whole story is too stupid to believe. Yet, now we are to believe Iran is arming radical Sunnis in Afganistan, too. Why would the Iranian government arm its mortal enemies?
But, I guess that people who don’t think at all will believe this B/S. And the U.S media will keep selling propaganda to us all.

I’ll concede that maybe the insurgency isn’t so heavily comprised of foreign nationals, but then from the same article:
Missed that part Sakul. Can’t take compliments can we?
And yet again we dive into the guilt trip that the US must feel for everything period. Many nations sell weapons to Israel Sakul, they even develop some of their own. Fancy that, a trade almost as old as prostitution. Who Israel gets their weapons from is inconsequential to me, at least Israel focuses on military targets. Your precious suffering masses of Palestinians use the hardware they are given from Iran to you know, fire rockets at random and blow up buses and bazaars.

If I hate America so much, why don’t I just leave?
Simple. America does not equal George W. Bush. Bush has done more to corrupt the concept of American democracy in six years than any terrorist could ever possibly achieve. By telling me I “hate America”, you’re telling me that in your version of America, dissent is not allowed. Which is, quite frankly, unamerican.
Or to put it another way, if you’re so eager to shut me up by asking me to leave, you’re the one who needs to find an authoritarian dictatorship to move to, not me.

ABC is owned by Disney
NBC is owned by GE
CBS is owned by Viacom
Those of you who call the mass media liberal are idiots, please stop, it is embarrassing.

No Sakul. He simply read from the Constitution. It’s kinda the basis for all the justice the left loves to whine about.

as could and should be expected the same division weaves in and out of the comments regarding this “issue” and accusation. who needs an enemy when we’re already clawing the eyes out of ourselves. YES!, Rand Halliburton and all the rest are wet down there in hoping for an escalated conflict and they’ve got the perfect doop team to follow through on the very worst and unbelievabley incompetent responses and inflaming provocations, and as a result we take another step into the hypocrisy and self-doubt that has led us this far into “having to throw in together” seein’ as we wont have any direction option soon enough other than fight or annihilation because “someone’ insisted we shouldnt be proud and an outside governmental organization was more than happy to facilitate and accommodate that misdirective. Short version of a solution … take juniors toys and make him eat his vegetables or throw in for an economy size bag of pretzels and hope for the best.

When will the conspiracy crap die? Why is everything a big damn conspiracy…everything….every facet from the janitor up is part of a big damned conspiracy? I tell you, the world is run by elvis.
He’s still alive you know.

Congress could stop the war very quickly. The problem is, they are really not anti-war. Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kennedy, etc. just use that line to win votes. With a majority in the Senate and house, and with Republicans’ resolve all but gone, one simple vote to cut off funds for the war would bring the troops home. You can’t fight a war without money. Bush would be forced to bring them home. Congress controls the purse, the purse controls everything.

Part of the way to do that Greg is in what we are doing now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those people live in the tribal state of mind to this day….sept they have cell phones now. Howl as the left may, I support what we are doing to this day. There have been screw ups…but nothings perfect. We just need some marbles in the pouch and some poise.

A careful reading of this article shows not one verifiable fact to prove its claims. It is the same type of kinda-true-but-not type of story that gave us the aluminum tubes, WMDs, the balsa wood drone of death, ect. This is propaganda, not journalism.
BTW Iran was our ally when we first invaded Afghanistan.

Iran was not so much our ally John as they gave a nod in our general direction. Remember, the talks the diplomats recently had was the first time we’ve had direct dialog since peanut man was in office.

Iran did not offer any help or support, and was not an “ally” in any way. When I went to Bagram in Feb of 2002, we flew from Kuwait to Afghanistan over Pakistani airspace along the SE border of Iran. True alliance or cooperation from Iran would have allowed us to fly over the country, not all the way around.

I’m tired of this “American Imperialism” BS. If we were imperialist, we would simply take the oil.
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It’s corporate imperialism. And we will just take the oil, you wait. They are trying to ram an unfair oil law down the iraqis throats where foreign companies get 70% of the booty for the next 30 years, not the iraqi people. You see, in the 1700s, flat out inceration and stealing of a people/resources were in vogue and acceptable… take North America for example. We live in a somewhat more civilized society, where that isn’t really acceptable. Well, so long as people are looking. From the sounds of most of the rambo-wannabes here, they wish the world STILL worked that way.

Fox is not a part of the Democrat Misinformation Media Machine I am alluding to. It was created so not all of us would live like mushrooms. You know, fed crap and living in the dark.

*sigh* The caricature of the big fat white CEO smoking the stogie and snatching the food from baby’s mouths.
It’s like the people that tried to sell Coca Cola trade secrets to Pepsi…I can see what was going on in their mind.
That big fat white CEO gloating over said secrets saying to himself “I have you now Coke….MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.” Then lightening flashes with a peal of thunder.

We caught Iran red-handed in an act of war in 1979. We did nothing.
We caught Iran red-handed at least three times in the killing of our military and civilian personnel in Beirut in the early 1980′s.
And the US did what in return or in retaliation? El zippo.
Iranian policy has been dictated by one islamofascist Ayatollah or another since 1978 – and that policy has been one of war against America. Period.
Which of these facts does any red-blooded American not comprehend??

No. It’s simple reality Sakul.

Sad but true, jabbadu. They sure are some sore losers.

Anyone want to discuss the recent reports of the west funding ‘terro…ahem, I mean freedom fighters’ inside Iran to try and destabilize the government there?

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…and “NonZionist” beleives every slogan Mao Tse Dung said.
ROTFLMAO!
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– Tian | Jun 7, 2007 3:15:37 PM
Where do you get that from? Mao, Cheney, and the neo-cons all believe that “power comes out of the barrel of a gun (or nuke)”. I believe just the opposite, and I regard the neo-cons as the nazis of the 21st century.
I believe in the power of example, the power of truth, the power of reason and logic.
I believe in the primacy of the individual, the rule of law, and limited government — all things that the neo-cons are trying to destroy here in America today. I believe in national sovereignty, reciprocity, equal rights, and the Golden Rule. My heros are Jefferson and Christ. (I suppose that explains why most of my messages here get deleted.) If America still had free elections, I would be voting for Kucinich, Gravel, or Ron Paul.
Enjoy your nuclear apocalypse. Even if you drop your nukes right on my head, it won’t be enough to change my mind. If you want to do that, you will have to learn how to treat me like a human being.

The left sits in the middle of the floor and whines at us as “racists,” “facists,” “religious zealots” for finding such lifestyles and hedonism unacceptable.
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Not exactly. I and many others I know think those lifestyles and hedonism is unacceptable.. geez, they cut your damn hand off for stealing, a woman gets stoned for cheating, etc.. its sick..
But, I say let em be like that all they want.. savages.. OVER THERE. That’s the point their over there and they just want us to leave. They aren’t over here trying to take us over. And they don’t want to.

I haven’t seen this “news” any where else.Yup we sure can trust it. Nothing on bbc,reuters,cnn not even fox. If this is true and this offical did say this then why havent other media outlets picked it up?

Democracy, one more thing. The greatest killers in history were NOT Americans. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were all athiests, so this “more people have died in the name of religion” B.S. is just that. B.S.

well, if you read about the latest wars between Afghanistan and Iran beginning in early 1700 and continuing up to 1920s, you would realize Iran’s futile quest for influence in Afghanistan. In fact, it was an Afghan King named Shah Ashraf who defeated both the Svavids of Iran and Ottomans of Turkey in 1724. He actually saved Iran against the Turks after the disintegration of the Savavid Dynasti.
Now to the present situation and Iran sending arms to their not so old enemies who were willing to go to war (almost) in 1998. Ironically the desperados in Tehran are now arming their own enemies just to confirm the old saying of “My Enemy’s Enemy Is My Friend”.
Let’s remember that only superpowers can invade Afghanistan. Getting in to Afghanistan is easy than you can imagine but you can’t be sure about your exit unless you play your cards carefully.
It is too late for the clergy in Iran to save the taliban or themselves. Iran must halt its support for Taleban, al-Qaeda and other terror outfits or face the consequences, which will be much bigger than the Ayatollahs’ imagination and fantasies.
Iran must be stopped in Afghanistan and Iraq!!!
The terror regime in Iran MUST be prevented from getting the “Bomb”!!!
In fact, many Iranian had hoped that the Bush admin would go after the terror clergy of Iran after the successful toppling of Taleban regime in Afghanistan, but unfortunately and admittedly all resources were diverted to an unnecessary and disastrous war in Iraq.
Let’s not forget that even Vice Presidents in Afghanistan are long time time Iranian agents, not to mention the speaker of the parliament and so on.
But Iran will regret its meddling in Afghanistan, which is not Iraq, Lebanon or Palestine. Rest assured!!!
Mirwais

Lol take it easy Sakul.
Was fun.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence “of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban.”
But an analysis by a senior coalition official, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, concludes there is clear evidence of Iran’s involvement.”
Oh so ABC news is now our New intelligence apparatus? Your kidding right?

So, after reading most ofthe right wing comments here… It would be alright for the UK to nuke the US of A for supplying arms and money to the IRA for decades??? After all, they were killing a lot of UK servicemen and civilians.
All of you people calling for a nuke on Tehran make me sick. And this from the country supposedly full of Christians!!!
How many of you have ever visited Iran??? How many of you know that the public in Tehran held a candlelight vigil after 9-11??? Sounds like they are baying for your blood!!!
Also… If your so keen to see Iran nuked, better break out you horse and buggy… Irradiated oil fields are not too productive.

I’m waiting for some names. And what leads these people to come to one conclusion while other people come to another.
It would also be a big help if we could see the analysis.

ABC, sheesh, “analysis concluded” is now headlined as “caught red-handed”. These guys are “journalists”?! Edward R. Murrow is spinning in his grave. Probably a wasted reference, all these “community college” tots writing typo-filled “news stories” now probably can’t even spell “accurate investigative reporting”….too funny, too sad.

Wow, if most of the posters here are Americans, I am just blown away at how simple-minded, 2-dimensional, and stupid this segment of the American population is…whatever your perspective or views on the matter of the middle east.
You guys resort to second grade name-calling and childish back-and-forth pointless ranting…there seems to be no ability whatsoever to simply discuss the matter at hand, to debate the issues or to even grasp the concept that perhaps there are two sides to a story…
Why would anyone NOT want to crush you?

Islamaphobia and world police mania is very evident by the ignorance of many of the posts here. No more wars for resources, haliburton, bush, or whatever. We are not the worlds policeman, we do not have a mandate to make everyone living somewhere on the earth do exactly what we want them to do. Wake up and live peace.

What do you call an intelligent man in America?
A tourist.

While I would not be a bit surprised, I would expect much more proof, before accepting the word of the government on this subject. Obviously we have been led down the primrose path, before.

BOOGA, BOOGA ! BE AFRAID! – If I hear another person put forth the same old tired explanation ” they hate us because we are free” I think I am going to puke.
Why don’t some of you look up Operation AJAX – Were the CIA successfully overthrew Mohammed Mossadegh of Iran using “staged false flag” terrorist attacks.
Or how about Operation Northwoods, the USS liberty, the Bay of Pigs – the list goes on and on
Even BOGUS 9/11 commission report makes mention of ‘Blowback’.
Tell me if this makes since Bush is invading Middle Eastern countries all in the name of “spreading democracy”, or was it “WMD”, no, wait it was “Regime change”.. no that can’t be it must be “because we’re free”.
while at the same time curtailing American freedoms at home via the Patriot act 1&2, Military commissions act, illegal wiretapping, RealID-National id…ect.
The ‘war on terror’ is a SCAM!

Finally – thanks…

Your welcome, Jazz. Gee, got kind of quiet over here, didn’t it?

@Diffuse:
There is something known as a conventional war, and an unconventional war. American forces and other armies of the world are well prepared to fight a conventional war, but totally unprepared to fight the unconventional war. Defeating and conquering a visible enemy, like Saddam Hussein and his Iraqi army, is conventional war. Which is something US managed with relative ease. But fighting the hidden enemy, who can be anyone, coming from any direction, at any given time is a totally different ballgame. If our world was just a group of nations living independently in seclusion, you could bomb Iran and forget about it. But today’s world is a global village, with people of all nationalities and ethnic origins living together. Something happening in one part of the world will affect the rest of the world, in a small or large way. Civil war in a tiny African country would have close to negligible global repercussions. But bombing Iran will have aftershocks which will affect the entire world, as it would affect the Muslim sentiment in general and Iranian sentiment in specific. The war from remote Iran may have effects in your neighbourhood high school, where an American born or naturalized Iranian youth may go in on a Monday morning, with a couple of semi automatics in his bag (Thanks to the NRA), and shoot everyone in sight. Not a pretty sight, eh? This is just a small example.
I’m not anti war, as I stated earlier.
But I believe a wise man always uses his head before pulling the trigger. Which was unfortunately not the case in Iraq II. If Iran is found guilty, go out against it in full strength and decimate it.
My only fear is, what happens after the war. Talibans are returning to power in Afghanistan. Iraq, previously free from terrorists, is now a hotbed for Al Qayeda. An Iran would split the American attention in three directions. And I’m sure there will be a #4 waiting to appear on the cross-hair after Iran.
Its always very easy to break something. Its the re-building thats the tough part.

and let the men fighting for YOU finish the job.

THAT is the crux of the matter. The job in Afghanistan was never finished, and Iraq happened. And while Iraq is getting messy, Iran is coming into the picture.
Its like a little kid on a beach, trying to make sand castles. He first makes one, doesn’t like it, so leaves it. Then makes another. Then another, and another…and so on. In the end, he gets tired, and still no sand castle. If he had shown patience and dedication on building the first one well, he would have succeeded.

I guess I should clarify – I’m neither pro-republican nor pro-democrat. I really am not a big fan of either party (somebody posted earlier that we should have a multi-polar system – I agree with that).
I’m just glad that one of UBL’s mandates to the west (if that’s what it is) has been posted here, so at least people can read it and make up their own minds as to what his agenda is…

Diffuse, I guess we’re on agreement on that then. I was just echoing my thoughts on the general sentiment which I perceived from this thread, that bombing Iran is the solution.
I feel, the focus should not be lost on the War on Terror. Afghanistan was totally justified. Ouster of Saddam from Iraq was important too, even though the premise of WMD’s was based on shaky grounds. But the timing was very bad. And its turned out to be a very bad roadblock on the path to fight terrorism. There was no Al Qayeda in Iraq earlier, but there is now.
In the same way, do you hear about Iranian terrorists anywhere? Iranian suicide bombers? Iranian plane hijackers? True, one may say Islamic terrorism had its roots in Iran (Hezbollah). But Iran is not indulging in active terrorism at present, they’re more like behind the scenes operators. If Iran is attacked now, post war anarchy is inevitable. And with it, you’ll have millions of more zealots added to the army of terrorists. Another problem to deal with.
The issue here is to attack the real perpetrators of terrorism, those supposedly hiding in the tribal, mountainous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Islamic youth believes in Osama Bin Laden’s invincibility all the more, since the most powerful nation in the world, the USA has still not been able to trace him. This makes more and more youth join his terror training camps, where they’re brainwashed with fanaticism and trained in guerrilla warfare, and then exported across the world.
At the moment, USA has given this responsibility to General Musharraf, supposed ally in the war on terror, who has actually made pacts with the Taliban. And has terror camps developing right under his nose, in Islamabad!

Like I said, had we dealt with Iran in 1979, when Jimmy Carter allowed them to get away with what international law say’s is an act of war, after he was directly responsible for putting their Islamofascist government in place, we would not have lost these Marines, and the middle east would be a lot more stable today.

Has any one here ever heard of M.A.D, Mutually Assured Destruction? Iran would never allow it’s nuclear material to be used by anyone as a means of attacking the United States. We can track plutonium directly to the reactor where it was created.In the event of an attack using Iranian plutonium The United States would then be justifies to completely obliterate the Republic of Iran. Do you think Iran really wants that?

Sure.
And Iraq was an imminent threat too, remember? They were “capable of attacking within 45 minutes”.
These voices declaring Iran an imminent threat and advocating all out war are the same folks who bought into the lies about Iraq.
You and the administration were wrong then. The administration has been wrong about almost everything ever since. What makes any of you right now?

It’s is highly unlikely that Iran will supply and support Taliban now, when it had been helping the northern alliance all along the war at the time when US chose to ignore the Taliban (Old Allies). Now the NA is in power and it is not antagonistic towards Iran so helping the taliban and antagonizing the friendly Northern Alliance doesn’t make any strategic sense at all. It is no secret how biased aome of the american media has become.

So once again, unnamed NATO officials are the “sources” of this sensational news? Why? To cover up a failure of biblical magnitude in Afghanistan?
For over 6 years the “liberators” of Afghanistan looked the other way to the production of Opium and distribution of Heroin in Afghanistan, where production went from a few hundred tons during the Taliban regime, to over 6000 tons in the past year. A simple calculation gives the drug benefits of up to $2 billion dollars per year. Something that the US and their allies were warned before the attacks against Afghanistan and CHOOSE not to do anything about.
The Islamic republic (as brutal and as un-humane as it is) is not stupid, they have learned their lesson many times that one should not support the enemy of their enemies. Because (unlike the “NATO officials” and “The coalition analysis”) they have learned the lesson from the history and they know a loose canon will be turned over and haunt them.
The Taliban (which is a plural word and should be referred to that way too that way) are Sunni Muslims, any weapons they receive will be shared with their other Sunni brothers like the Al-Qaida linked CIA and ISI supported Jundullah movement in Iranian Baluchestan.
If IRI is as stupid as these anonymous analyzers want us to believe, then they are arming indirectly the Jundullah who is fighting a brutal and bloody war against the Islamic Republic.
Are the writers of this article even aware of this? Do you care?
Best regards,
Farhad Abdolian
An Iranian IRI “hater” in Exile

All above comments show us one conclution regarding the US led war on terrorism and that is that US has made a big strategic mistake by removing Sadam first and thereby giving the Mullahs ( Clergy with turbons on their heads ) of Iran more power to spread their fanatical /exterimist ideas in the form of terrorism all over the world , therefore by USA’s strategic mistake again not only terrorism has not decreased but it has increased now that sadam is removed and iran with the Mullahs in control of it has become the only super power in the region and can do whatever it damn pleases. US should have got rid of the Mullahs of Iran before it had weakened Iraq ,because the Mullahs of Iran are the roots of terrorism and the root has become stronger and can spread faster,still it’s not too late for US to come up with a policy to weaken the Mullahs in iran by putting pressure on them at all levels such as Human rights abuses in Iran , Lack of freedoms in iran, support of terrorism by Mullahs , etc. and also US needs to support the opposition forces to the Mullahs inside and outside of iran so that the Mullahs regime can fall by the action of the Iranian democratic forces and not by any military action, at this point military action against Iran is the biggest mistake that US can make because it will play into the hands of the hardline Mullahs and the crazy Ahmadinejad and will therefore damage the democratic forces in Iran, Majority of iranian people are against the Mullahs in Iran and want good relations with the west so don’t make a mistake between the Mullahs and the iranian people , they are two separate parts of Iran , even a lot of Iranian Military forces are against what the Mullahs and hardline exterimists are doing in Iran, the biggest mistake that US made in 1978 at the hands of that peanut farmer Jimmy carter was to let khomeini come to power in Iran, since that time Radical islam and terrorism has spread all around the world , now is the time that US not cut another deal with the Mullahs regime of iran and in opposite try to change the Mullahs regime by helping and supporting Iranian opposition forces to the Mullahs. The Europeans are trying to cut deals with the Mullahs in their own interest and US must be carefull about European deals with the Mullahs, American people need to support Iranian opposition forces everywhere to bring a change of regime in Iran , that’s the only way to be successfull in the fight against terrorism otherwise as long as the Mullahs are in control of government in Iran the world will not see peace and terrorism will not go away, Americans must get more involved in their politics and put pressure on their politicians to devise a solid Iran policy which will include support of iranian democratics forces that can bring about a change of regime in Tehran, this is the only way folks, end of story.
Iranian Americans for regime change in Iran.

Bomb the out of them..

Oh Noez!! The sky is falling !!

In America they don’t send you to jail for disagreeing with the government or commenting on who controls the media, they just delete your post. What’s the point of posting on here if ABC is going to control what is on the comment board?

>>Sad state of Iraq and friends of Sadam Husseins,
Iranian American for regime change in Tehran.
Firstly, this article is about the terrorist regime of Mullahs in Iran supplying Arms to the Taliban and not Iraq, Secondly, The US war on in Iraq was as a result of the Dictator such as Sadam who was killing and torturing more iraqi people than imaginable, not only that Sadam was a terrorist who supported Fanatic/Radical Sunnis not only against Israel but also against Iranians, Americans and everyone else, These`are not lies by Bush, these were facts , he DID have WMD’s such as Chem. and Bio weaponds and was in the process of developing Nuclear weapons, Sadam used his Chem. Weapons against Iranians for sure in Iran-Iraq War, so he did have them and was using them. Thirdly, the Iranians in the US love their mother country Iran and want good relations between Iran and the rest of the world including the USA therefore they are urging the Bush Adminstration and Israel not to make a major mistake by attacking Iran because this way a lot of inocent people may get killed in the process,we don’t care if the Mullahs ( Clergy in Iran ) get their heads cut off by Iranians opposition forces themselves, so we can conclude that Iranian-Americans are not like Chalabis at all, They will get rid of the Mullahs of Iran by themselves and of course by the Moral support of the International community, Please don’t compare the tiny Iraq with the power of Iran and it’s people , besides Iranians have already been struggling for Democracy in their country for a long time and have the bases of Democractic institutions unlike Iraq. hopefully Friends of Sadam and chalabis of Iraq have learned from this writing, it’s not like what you have thought my friend, be factual and realistic .Finally ,any Dictatorship regime in middle east should be changed to by the will of its people and replaced by democracies if we want to see a peacefull and stable middle east, therefore what Bush has started is just the begining of the road please fasten your seat belts everybody.
Iranian American for regime change in Tehran and freedom for people of Iran,
Believe me that time is not too far . Iranian people inside and outside of Iran are sick and tired of The Mullahs in Iran such as Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, Rafsanjani, Khatami, janati , Khomeini, etc. Viva to brave Iranian students , Iranian Journalists, Iranian Teachers, Iranian Industrial workers, etc.

Responding to ‘Patriot’s’ response on June 8;
Patriot I appreciate you ‘cherry picking’ the last 7 words of my comments “the war on terror is a scam”
I was actually referrring to the popular coinage of the phrase of “the war on terrorism”.
If you recall 9/11 was an ACT of terrorism – there is a difference.
If you would put down your coloring book for a second, you would realize that Terrorism has been around since the dawn of man in some form or fashion and has even been used by Nation-states to forward their own agenda.
Besides who the hell are you to spout off some “Guilt Trip” about 9/11 -
I have nothing but humble respect for those that perished on that day. I would tell the 9/11 families that I support a “Truly Independent” re-investigation as to what happened on that day, instead of the FARCE that was passed off.
Are you telling me you cannot be a patriot and question your Govt’s motives at the same time? if so then I think you have ‘blind nationalism’ and ‘Patriotism’ confused.
I would welcome any intelligent comment other than some emotional knee-jerk-name calling response.
In the words of — James Madison (father of the US Constitution)
‘If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.
The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.’

we are too scared to engage the Iranian’s as they slowly slaughter American G.I.s with thier IED bombs shipped to Iraq and Afghanistan.
We need new leadership on the battle the field and at the Pentagon. We need leaders willing to fight to win. Kill the bad guys even in Iran. Maybe then we can win this war.

Listen Abdooool>>>
Iranian Americans are true Iranians who want to get rid of the Mullahs in Iran .
Iranian soldier is a true Iranian who wants to get rid of the terrorist Mullahs. Abdoool are you Aghazade? ( Meaning the son of a Mullah ) If not then you would agree with the goal of getting rid of the Mullahs in Iran. Don’t be such anegative force against true Iranians such as Iranian soldier if you are not Aghazade ? Bache Mullah,
Abdolian is an Armenian name or atrue Iranian ? if you are true Iranian then you should join the Opposition forces to the Mullahs and get rid of all of the for afree and democratic Iran.
Iranian Americans for regime change in Iran.

I’m not too sure about the use of the term “radicals” here in this context above, Rocky.
In an-Bar, Iraq, the US is arming and providing support to Sunni tribal chiefs, who are starting to fight against AQI forces…a completely bad thing?
In Lebanon, the US (and other parties) are providing material support for the Lebanese government to fight certain anti-government factions, such as the Fatah al-Islam who are holed up in the Nahr el-Bared camp oustide of Tripoli. I think that many or most of the Lebanese population is pro-government, meaning they’re pretty much in favor of ridding their country of these elements. Of course there is an anti-Syrian coalition of Sunni Muslim, Druze and Christian parties in Lebanon that the US supports. Fouad Siniora was nominated to Prime Minisister on an anti-Syrian platform. Is it a bad thing to give them a hand?
…And while I’m not in the middle east right now and don’t have first hand knowledge, I don’t think that it’s all that unlikely that Iran is shipping arms to anti-US forces on either side of it’s borders. Do you really not agree, Rocky?

Back in the day of Ronnie, this headline could have read: “The US Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Iran”…and Iraq….and later Al Queda…
Why is it everything Iran does to mirror historic policies of the US is looked on as evil, yet when we were doing them, it was considered the right thing to do???
Oh yeah. God’s on our side.
It can’t get any more fundamentalist or religiously extreme than that, can it?

We really need to stop going to war on behalf of Israel, do what is right for the USA for a change.
Iran is a dangerous country but with Israel having nuclear weapons, Iran wants it to.
Let them go to war, ancient tribal warfare not involve us.

Cal,
If you got 75% of the people here spouting similar rhetoric and it isn’t in line with your own, it’s not “spineless”. It’s a majority.
And either “spineless” or violently aggressive in a democracy, the majority represents the voice of the people.
Sorry mate.
Those are the rules of the game even when they don’t turn portray your particular take on things.

To the writer. Do some research, Canadian Forces are also engaging in combat operations in Afghanistan.

Richard Clarke’s various assesments aren’t usually credible?

Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a fellow black panther named Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was suspected of disloyalty.
Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once safely immobilized his “friends” tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him.
When they got tired of torturing him, Black Panther member Warren Kimbo took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his
head. His body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn. Perhaps at this point you’re curious as to what happened to
these Black Panthers. In 1977, that’s only eight years later, only one of the
killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbo, managed to get a scholarship to Harvard. He later became
assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut state College. Isn’t that something? As a 60′s radical you can pump a bullet into someone’s head and a few years later, in the same state, you
can become an assistant college dean! Only in America. Erica Huggins was the lady who served the panthers by
boiling the water for Rackley’s torture.
Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a California School Board.
How in the world do you think these killers got off so easy. Maybe it was in some part due to two people who came to the Panthers defense. These two people went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in the defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial. One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr.
Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, as the case may be, isn’t a college dean. He isn’t a member of the California School Board. He is now the head of the US Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division.
O.K., so who is the other Panther defender? Is this notable
Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other
Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No,
neither!
The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law
student at Yale University at the time. She is now know as
“The smartest woman in the world” She is none other than
the Democratic candidate for the US Senate from the State of
New York—-our lovely First Lady, the incredible Hillary
Rodham Clinton.
And now; as Paul Harvey says; you know the rest of the
story.
Pass this on! She deserves the press………………….

Here’s a liberal’s opinion for all you lib-bashers to chew on: Iran probably is our enemy and a threat, but Bush is still an idiot.
In fact, by focusing on Iraq first, he a) spread our military too thin, b) made it tough to be our ally in the region, and c) lost the distraction Saddam provided against Iran.
He should’ve finished the job swiftly and decisively in Afghanistan (the Powell doctrine), and then massed troops along the Iranian and Pakistani (Waziristan) borders. Iran would’ve been held in check and the world might still respect us…

You believe this story. I think Pentagon has more story writers with them that hollywood could use. It is all american arms. You give these terrorists arms when you want them and they keep it safe for so long only to through it on your face at alater date.USA has spoiled the world terrorist group to such an extent in the name of supporting freedom movement, now all are holding US arms.American policies past and present are totally sickening

I did see a cop at the 2:37 mark he is right in middle of track. He has billy club in hand, yet did not try to use it on the person filming him. That is why you missed him. This is SF Earthquake stuff folks.