GOP Lawmakers Demand Probe of ABC News Story

Well I’m shocked too! I’m shocked that the American people put up with the flawed empire building policy.

empire building lol. moonbats crack me up

There’s a precedent, though: The press ignored the White House’s request they not divulge secrets concerning monitoring terrorist groups’ electronic transactions in offshore accounts. Even if the White House HAD told ABC news that harm was going to be done to national security, they’d have run with the story anyways.
The Mainstream Media: Not so much the Fourth Estate as a Fifth Column.

Boy, the right wingnut sychophants are out in force today. It is clear they have not heard of the First Amendment and Freedom of the Press as the founding fathers, distrustful of too much power concentrated in one brach of government, envisioned as essential ‘counter balances’ to Executive, Legislative or Judicial overreaches of power? Oh, right – to them the Constitution is just a “quaint” document – unless it suits their own purposes, like the Second Amendment. Then all of a sudden the Constitution becomes conveniently sacred.
Hands off freedom of the press, boys. It’s time for some adult leadership now that the frat boys have messed things up so well. I have a suggestion: how’s about a Congressional investigation into who the VP has been scheming with using the official places and resources provided by the taxpayers of this nation, to pervert the Constitution? Isn’t that actually called treason?

Enough bashing of Israel and the US already. Some might say my views are “liberal” but some of the people on this site just seem way pro-Arab and UnAmerican. The administration needs to be more transparent, and people need to stop bashing the US for all the problems in the Middle East-especially nut jobs like the president of Iran

Damage National Security!? You have to be kidding. The bumbling CIA itself is a threat to national security. Typically, hypocritical Republicans want an investigation yet when President Cheney releases classified info, or better yet, outs a CIA agent, its all AOK with the NeoCon doofs. Boo Hoo Hoo.

This is no worse than President Cheney releasing classified for his political purposes. Out outing a CIA agent. Give it a rest, its old and tired.

The real issue here is why is Bush authorizing a secret invaasion of Iran. Once again we are jeopardizing our respect in the world by letting this madman President invade countries who don’t invade us first. We have just as mad a President as Iran does.

Sorry, but if ABC checked with the White House and gave them every opportunity to amend or delete anything they wanted, then it smells more like a deliberate leak the Bush administration wanted out, more than they wanted it hidden.
I think it is also time that some people consider that if you are going to complain about this, then you treat all leaks equally and not just whether they come from a media source you may not happen to like or whether it was Bush declassifying secret info so he could speak at a graduation. Either secret info is secret or not. Let’s not play games with it being okay one day and not the next depending on who is doing the deciding. It is not as if this admistration has follwed the classified rules to the letter in their previous dealings.

It’s amazing.
The wingnuts haven’t been right one time. Not on Iraq, not on Al Qaeda, not on the economy. But THEY think other people are INSANE?!?
Chimpletons, attention!!! Facts don’t change, and your rhetoric will never turn wrong into right! Why do you think your numbers have gone to about 20%?

it seems that many are agreeing with the leak of the story from the sole perspective that it is going to hurt president bush. aren’t you the same ones who are screaming for the safe return of our troops immediately? would publicizing where are troops are going to be and when they are going to be there not further endanger our troops. there is a limit to freedom of speech, and the safety of others, in this case, is where the line is drawn.
as for iran wanting israel wiped off the map, it would also stand to reason that if they are making nuclear weapons, that would be a quick, and complete, way of doing it.
there has to be a new standard for journalism. they were given the information with the professional understanding that the info would not be released. on top of it, i just read a story on this outlet about proof that iran is supplying the taliban with weapons from raids that took place on april 11th and may 3rd. why has it taken so long to get this news? because that would start to validate what the administration has been saying about iran?
i can only hope that as i write this the not-so-covert troops we have in iran have completed their mission and are on their way to safety. hopefully abc news is doing the same.

Remember the good old days when right wingers were suspicious of the government and not all their fellow citizens? I guess they abandoned that libertarian streak in favor of blind allegiance when Georgey-boy announced he was born-again!

Give me a tiny…little…break. This highlights the need to put these criminally insane morons behind bars, for life.
Is mainstream media going to allow this? Instead of Dan’s head now it’s ABC?

These leaks of intelligence, whether to ABC news or the NYT are immensely more threatening, not to mention illegal and harmful to the American people than anything Scooter Libbey said or didn’t say to a Grand Jury.

The U.S. has about 150 military bases spread around the world. That’ a fact. For those who object to the word: “empire,” what would you call it?

Let’s take this test: if the president’s name was Obama, would the left just wave off yet another article blowing the lid off yet another classified intelligence program?
What is it about the left that they are unconcerned about — if not take unabashed comfort in — this sort of thing? Do they really identify more with America’s enemies than with America? Or is it just that they hate Bush so much that nothing else matters except harming the administration?

Rep. Patrick McHenry is your classic republican right wing criminal jerk. Its a pity hes from North Carolina.

The press has a right to report this. The government works for us, and follows our orders, or they get voted out, like the Republicans just were. ABC / Disney has a lot of conservative opinion on their networks. Glen Beck, Mark Halperin. They’re fair and balanced in the opinion department, and THIS is merely facts.

“The U.S. has about 150 military bases spread around the world. That’ a fact. For those who object to the word: “empire,” what would you call it?”
Allies.
The US does not control those places, and has a presence there with the cooperation and consent of the sovereign governments.

When did GOP start to pretend to care about the rule of law again anyways ? Hilarious

Why are all the Left-Leaning Ladies fronting for Iran? Have you seen what they do to women in Iran? Have you read Azar Nafisi’s “Reading Lolita in Iran” or Marjane Satrapi’s “Persopolis?” Look it up on the ‘net, it may change your view of these vicious misogynist homophobes.

Each time there is a leak, the criminals want to punish the leakers and just forget about their crimes.
I hope there will be more and more whistleblowers…

Where’s Ellsberg; what’s he doing now? We need a hundred whistleblowers like him making the the American People get the truth from inside the halls of government.

Man, many of your comments sounds much like what people in Khomeini’s Iran were saying in 1980s.
Is this the level of democracy you have in the US? That the media is free as long as they do not say or write anything that the government have problem with?
And as far as Iran seeking nukes goes, why wouldn’t they? If your country was surrounded by people who openly advocate the destruction of your regime, and 2 of your neighbors were invaded and toppled by them, then wouldn’t you start thinking in those terms?
Does any of you remember Iran Contra? Helping Saddam in the 80s and other fabulous acts of your beloved Reagan who created the monster Saddam as well as Osama and his gang?

look to cheney

Speaking for myself, I am not anti-war. i am anti-stupid war. Iran does present a certain level of threat and has to be managed. but constant saber rattling is not bright…

So it’s OK for our govt to support terrorist groups (against Iran), and it’s also OK for us to invade (and/or nuke) non-nuke countries that BUSH SAYS support terrorist groups. Did you all catch that? The facts of the story CONFIRM that our govt is A STATE SPONSOR OF TERROR.

tombob Cheney outs a CIA agent? Libbey faces prison time because he did NOT out an NOT covert CIA employee who is now a millionaire as a result! The prosecutor knew the real “outer” before the investigation started! How much tax money did he waste? Can you say witch hunt? Can you say real culture of corruption? Do facts always get in the way of your bigotry, intolerance, hate, and prejudioe?

No the U.S. does not have more oil than then Iraq and Iran combined, if fact we are running out. Although it’s true, that drilling has been prevented in certain areas, the fact that the U.S. burns 1 billion barrels of oil in only 7 weeks means that formerly “big” finds ar no longer big. There are books on this subject, and it is called Peak oil. It is not a liberal foil, it is Geology.

WHYEE KAN’TT WINGNUTTSS SPELLLL??

yttle – Book – or propaganda? How can we be running out if we are not using it? BP has identified massive reserves in the Gulf of Mexico. Alaska holds decades of oil reserves. The oil shale in our west is well within economic reach, and holds additional decades of potential energy. As the price goes up, so does scientific R&D to find alternatives. Give us 50 years and see what we can accomplish!
Oh no, we might make CO2 if we use it! How insane. Want to limit greenhouse gas production? Put a blanket on the ocean and cork the volcanoes – by far the largest sources of “greenhouse” gases.
No. Your not understanding this. It’s not propaganda We don’t have enough reserves in the untapped areas to offset the declines in the lower 48. i am retired from phillips Petroleum. 25 years in the industry. What we hav’nt found is well understood. You can estimate reserves from resevoir size and depth. We will in fact drill off of california and elsewhere, because we will have to. But it will not be enough. Our consumption id exponential. This is what is causing the problem.

“They bought 1,000 kgr of natural uranium hexafluoride, 400 kgr of uranium tetrafluoride, and 400 kgr of uranium dioxide from China and didn’t tell the IAEA.”
They were not REQUIRED to tell the IAEA UNTIL they introduced this material into the cascades.
Get a clue. There IS NO Iranian bomb program. The IAEA has repeatedly said that there is NO evidence that ANY nuclear material has been diverted into ANY bomb program – nor do they have ANY evidence that there IS or ever WAS a bomb program.
What the IAEA wants is a complete accounting of certain actions taken YEARS AGO ago that HINTED at an Iranian military interest in the nuclear program.
That’s it. Period.
The rest of the so-called “crisis” is a fantasy dreamed up by people like Cheney and the rest of the warmongering war profiteers – and the morons responding to this article are their supporters.
When these morons allow Bush to attack Iran, and gas at the pump goes to $20/gallon, and Islamic terrorists are blowing up car bombs in Times Square in New York and your morning commute transit station, and your son or daughter is dying in Iraq and Iran for NOTHING, know who is to blame.

Funny, I thought a madman already had lots of nukes. Doesn’t Bush control lots of nukes? His complete lack of contact with reality is a sure sign of a madman. Put the two together and you’ve got a madman with nukes. Our madman with our nukes.

Israel has by most estimates over 200 nuclear weapons. Does anyone think that the Iranians could launch a strike against Israel and not be turned to glass? Do we really believe the Iranians are suicidal?

Scott.
Perhaps your young I don’t know but in my lifetime I was assured that Communist were’nt rational. My grandfather was assurred that Germans weren’t rational and my father was told the Japanese weren’t rational.
As for your concerns about terrorist with Nukes, the real danger is Pakistan. The people there are far more irrational as you say then Iran and we think we have them bought off. Also, clearly, they already have the bomb.
And did you look at the map I posted?

Scott,
I think you are making the judgement that the Soviets were sane from the comfort of 40 years of distance. I remember Nikita Khruschev taking his shoe off at the U.N. and pounding it crazily on the table screaming and drooling like a madman “We will BURY you!” he shouted. Perhaps you weren’t there. Nobody in the United States in 1963 doubted for a momment that the Russian leader was criminally insane.
I don’t think you can retoactively reform these people. That said, i think Iran is bluffing as much as Nikita was.
Further I do take issue with this comparing everyone to Hitler. Germany in the 1930′s had technology and ecomomic power on the same scale as our own, and our populations were similar also. Now lately, we were told that Iraq was a threat to the world, they have 19 million people, mostly poor.Now Iran is certainly stronger, they have 70 million people and have access to the technology of Russia and China. but this is precisely the point. Hitler did not have to import technology nor was Germany at that time a vassal state of other powers. Iran is. Iran is as different as you can imagine from Germany in the 1930′s. and Iraq was different in turn from either of these. Also the Iranians have legtimate grievances agaist us. We overthrough their government in 1954 and installed a dictator, the Shah of Iran. They were a Democracy up to that point, held regular elections. We broke that playing Machievallian games with the Soviets…Before we call them crazy, we need to realise the trmendous damage we did to these peoples at a time when there was no previously existing animosity between their people and ours..
I could go on, but my point is i feel ther has been very little homework down by people who throw the epithet “crazy” around to loosely…

Does the name Valerie Plame mean anything to the righteous right?
She was outed by Cheney/Libby.
Contrary to Faux News she WAS a COVERT OPERATIVE.

Pretty obvious that most of the readers of the blotter are liberal conspiracy nuts who are moral relativists and can’t tell the difference between friend or foe….. Very sad situation….. Fools and blind…..

Nuclear weapons don’t kill people. People kill people. What if there were an Islamic revolution in Pakistan?

The story should not have run. Period. If Iran suspected, which they would, fine…but now they know. That is putting more lives in jeopardy and that is irresponsible. The administration not responding doesn’t mean squat. Would ABC have broadcast a story that journalist Bob Woodruff was about to go down a specific road in Iraq in a humvee? I don’t think so because that would have greatly increased his chances of getting killed. This should not be about Dem or Republican, war or oil, it is about common sense and irresponsible journalism.

Scott,
I’m not arguing that Iran has the right to nuclear weapons. I am arguing they will get them anyway. The Russians will give them to them or the Chiness will give them to them, or someone else will. There is no technology that has ever been developed that has not spread. They will get them, only a matter of time. The more we make them a pariah, the greater the urgency. Likewise, countries nearby who may not trust Iran but trust us even less will see in this a lesson, to acquire these weapons themselves. The world is watching us, and has decided that we are capricious and arbitrary. That the people we side with are as treachorus as the ones we are against, and we have a tendency to turn on countries whose leaders we once supported. This is creating a mad arms race, and as the worlds energy situation become more dire, the twin necessity of defense against an arbitrary superpower and the need for energy beyond oil will hyper accelerate the quest for nuclear reactors everywhere. We are not shrewd enough to see the conditions we are creating as our focus is very short term.
I see people narrowly focusing on Iran as though Iraq was “solved” and no other challenges are coming. Reality is, dozens of nations, mostly not democracies, will be at Iran’s position with 20 and in some cases less than 5 years. Just as we speak of sustainability in ecology, or energy usage, you have to have a sustainable foreign policy as well. The American empire with over 150 military bases and hundreds more considered to be outposts
are bankrupting this country and as the number of nations joining the nuclear club increases rapidly, our military posturing and substitution of threats for diplomacy will become irrelavant. In many ways, it already is irrelavent.
Right now, the Iraq we conquered is about to send us a message by turning down the law we imposed granting the Iraqi oil to outsiders without compensating the Iraqi’s. They are currently calling a strike and we will have no chouce but intervene militarily and many of these workers, for their defiance, will end up in the prisons we have in Iraq. Abu Ghrab is still open. many will go there.
Iran will go down fighting to avoid treatment like this, and it will stiffin the backbones of peoples around the globe to build up their military in all ways possible to prevent being used in this fashion. The problem is not only about Iran. The problem is the dark side of American foreign policy and character very similar to the Roman Empire near its dissolution. As our hegemony breaks down we are becoming more and more reckless. A Chineses diplomat calls us “a 12 year old with a shotgun”. This is not about Iran’s right to nukes or our right to stop it. It is about how empires go about their business and throw gasoline on fires in the hopes of putting them out. In the end, people will comment how strange it was that we saw madness in everyone but ourselves, that even our media refused to report to the people any information that contradicted the party line, that diplomacy has a chance, that this thing can be managed without saber rattling. We will never know until it’s too late that 6% of the world’s population is raving mad if it thinks it can unilaterly impose it’s will on the other 94% and they will destroy their economy and lifestyle in the attempt. When we go down we will have no allies to help us up. That’s clear as you look around.
Scott you are asking me to believe the Iranians are more irrational then the Communists of the 1960′s , the Japanese in WWII, or any of the other peoples we called crazy and then made into allies or at least conventional competitors 5 years later. Iran will be no exception.
But theres is a force in the world more irrational then seen in past decades, and that is this country, unable to think forward to scenerios were we don’t control everything. It’s not about the madness of other’s, well yes, they can be. It’s really about the madness we possess because we think we can’t be….

Mark,
Are you suggesting the Muslim world, or at least the extremist fringe of that world, is the equivalent of the barbarian hordes, which eventually overran the Roman Empire? After that event, the Western World was plunged into centuries of darkness. Remember, this same Muslim fundamentalist ideology has tried to overrun the Western World before. I see the conflict between the US and the fringe element of the Muslim world in that context. It is either going to be our way or their way. I prefer ours.
In the 20th century, the US led the fights against facism and world-wide monolithic communism. It won both of those fights because it clearly understood those threats and marshalled its resources to defeat them. The fight against both of these evils were long and bitter. The fight against extremist Islamic fundamentalists is going to take a long time as well – perhaps a generation, perhaps longer – and has the potential to be one of the most lethal conflicts in world history – at least from the US perspective. I realize the US helped spawn the current mindset by supporting Saddam against Iran, and by arming the mujahdeen against the Soviets – only to abandon both of them when we thought our job had been done. We are fighting a mindset – and arguably one that we helped create. But, think of the stakes if we lose this conflict.
If we are losing now, it is because we have refused to mobilize our resources to the levels necessary to win. The reason we are losing in Iraq now is not because we lack a moral imperative, or because we don’t know what is at stake. The reason we are losing is because we lack the will to fully mobilize and make the necessary commitments to win decisively. The only war in US history fought worse than this one was the first few years of the American Civil War. The North should have crushed the South in a matter of months, but because of bureaucratic infighting, inept generals, graft, corruption and stupidity it lasted 4 years. In the 1940′s the US bested several nations in a world-wide conflict in the same amount of time. The difference – our mindset – and our willingness to do whatever was necessary to win.
This country is at war. It is going to be at war for a very long time. Either it steps up to the plate and defends its interests or it will indeed suffer the same fate as the Roman Empire. We may have aided the cause of those who wish us ill by being stupid, inept and duplicitous, but just as Abraham Lincoln knew, the US is the last best hope of mankind. Either we prevail, or the lights go out.
Along those lines, yes of course, we should try to use our cultural, economic and political influence to marshall support for our position. And, I agree that the military solution is usually the least attractive alternative, and one that shoud be used as the last resort – not the first.
My point is this. How do you negotiate with people who look forward to dying and believe that if they die in the service of Allah, they will reap their reward in heaven? If people of this ideology are willing to blow themselves up – just for the opportunity to kill infidels and reap their reward – what alternative do they give the rest of the world?
Preemptive war is insane – except when used in the context of an enemy who gives you no other choice. Being willing to die for your country, or your ideology is one thing – looking forward to dying is another. The only choice they have given us is to get them before they get us.
The next 25 years or so are going to be Hell for everyone. People are going to die, nations are going to be crushed. Energy supplies are going to be interrupted. The price of fuel is going to skyrocket periodically. To answer these challenges, we need a comprehensive energy policy – a “Manhattan Project” style policy. We need a larger military and one that has been trained with the proper mindset for conducting operations against a new threat. We need to mend fences with our allies. We need to show our friends that we will not abandon them, and we need to show our enemies absolutely no mercy. We need the same level of commitment we showed in World War II and the Cold War. For some reason, we just won’t do it.
This is a tough old world, my friend. I hope I live long enough to see the other side of the coming storm. If the storm goes badly, it will be our own damned fault. At least we are in agreement there.
Scott C.

Mark,
You are way too pessimistic for me. The US can and will prevail in this latest contest. This latest problem is more of a post Cold War echo. I think in our zeal to defeat Communism, we probably did stir up some long seething hatred in the Middle East. But, just as we prevailed against a much more powerful enemy than we actually face now, we will prevail again.
Also, I have heard all the Malthusian arguments before that we are going to run out of this resource, or we are going to run out of that resource. On a humurous note, I once read an account published at the turn of the last century that assuming certain population growth projections and given the fact that the horse was still the main source of transportation that every American city would soon be buried up to a depth of 6′ in horse manure. Well, we figured out a way to avoid that calamity, and I am hopeful enough that we will figure our way out of the upcoming fossil fuel resource issue as well. Your projections assume we will not find any viable energy alternatives. I think we will, but only when they become economic. If the Middle East blows up, the alternatives will become economic very very quickly. Life during any transition will be hard, but we will survive – just like we survived the Civil War, the Great Depression, World War I, World War II, and the Cold War.
My point is that the longer we wait to address the energy issue, the worse the problem is going to be. We need to start now. I do not think the Bush Administration is the bloodthirsty bunch most people make them out to be. I think they have not yet figured out how to deal with the energy issue – and I think they are still stumbling around trying to figure out to handle the extremist Muslim issue. But, we are going to have to deal with both, – and when I say we – I mean Americans – not Democrats, not Republicans – but Americans. This country sorely needs some leadership. The issues have to be framed and a course of action that will actually solve this country’s upcoming challenges needs to be crafted. I am worried about the next 25 to 30 years, but just because I am worried, I still maintain hope that we will figure our way out of our dilemma – if we will just quit pointing fingers at one another and start electing leaders with some vision.
We need leadership not demagoguery. We must believe that we – as a nation – are the best the world has to offer – despite our obvious flaws and sometimes misdirected efforts. If I seem to be waxing Reaganesque, I suppose I am.
I know in my heart that there is no problem a free people cannot solve once they put their minds to it. Any objective reading of American history would prove that point out. We are an imperfect people – but at least we talk about our imperfections and strive to fix them – rather than shoving them under the rug of some overriding ideology.
I am a freedom loving, libertarian sort that would just as soon be left alone. I believe that for the most part people should be left alone to solve their own problems and reap the rewards from their own hard work unmolested by any overriding force -whether that be religion, government, or any ideology. I realize that people like me are the “fly in the ointment” of most demagagogic points of view.
But, I like my life. I enjoy life in general. I want my children to have the same opportunities I have had. To accomplish that, I realize – despite my libertarian leanings- that we as a nation are going to have to figure out someway to collectively deal with the issues that confront us as a nation. The only way little ‘ol me can do that is to make some effort to paint our challenges as graphically as I can and vote for people who I think will lead us where we need to go.
Scott C.
PS – I suppose I am an eternal optimist. There is one big difference between Rome and the US. The US has been the repository for the world’s persecuted since its inception. Rome was a persecutor – not a haven for the oppressed. The best and the brightest have always come here to avoid persecution at home and to seek a better life. This is the key difference between us and every other nation on earth. We are the beneficiaries of generations of the most hard-headed and hard working people on earth. There are lots of nations with great resources, but they do not have the greatest resource of all – us.
We will persevere; we will prevail.

NonZionist,
Thanks for the compliment, I’m not totally dark, but it’s difficult to communicate with people so unaware of the damage we’re doing to our future without outlining some rough things. These people have so much seratonin (buckets in fact :} ) that they just don’t see any problems. They think everything is basically hunky-dory. Another way of saying this is that they never by their nature accept or comtemplate systemic problems. Everything is just a tactical problem to endure or overcome in a concrete way. Morality is simple, “God and Country”. So you can’t reach them by saying your country is not performing well except by citing some of the most extreme examples. Yet what for me are red flags leading to a state of alertness, for some others these same things are irrelevant or invisible.
The main thing is, they want that sense of duty, it is an unselfish thing.
But in times like this, the willing sacrifice is misused. The paradox is I have no right to be tough on these people on one hand, and I have no right to not be tough enough to point out their masters are sorta evil too, not perhaps in the way Saddam was, it’s a different kind of badness. These conversations are laced with contradictions…

I also forgot to mention that at the beginning of the Iraqi misadventure the name for the this project, which, was changed later, was “Operation Iraqi Liberation”. No joke. They changed it later because people started figuring out what the acronym spelled.(O.I.L.) You can still find this listed on the archives on the http://www.whitehouse,gov site
Remeber the Man from U.N.C.L.E.
Ha!

Now Scott…
Smarter? no, more conscienscious. I acturally expect my leaders to live up to what they say. It is a peculiar inversion of values to say accepting lies makes you more mature. I’m sure that’s how it looks to most on this forum. You are advocating sucking up all the crap this government throws out, without complaint, and calling that maturity.
It’s a new defination of maturity, I havn’t found that in the dictionary anywhere, though. I’ll be sure to notify Webster.

Scott…
Yes I am, very frustrated… I work part time as an election judge, I particapte in the system, I am not an outsider you know…
But the media doesn’t do it’s job, and we have to reveal to each other what we have found out, and what we have realised…We have to think collectively along the lines that big money has it’s own agenda, they fill the air waves with misinformation. And it’s vital they we call a spade a spade. Brutal honesty is absolutely necessry now.
Do our leaders always lie? Difficult question to answer with a yes or a no.
I think their talent is to tell some truth, in order to get us to behave in certain ways.
I do recommend you visit the Peak Oil sites I recommended earlier.. This is a biggy and I think you’ll understand the magnitude of the general deception going on when you perruse theese.
I am an old oil field guy (well, researcher really) but I sat on quite a few wells and drank a few cold ones with a lot of hard working people in my time.
I don’t like to see them double crossed..These were some of the best people I’ve ever met, and you can find them all around America…
So I try to be informative, and help people recognize how much our thinking is subliminally afffected by the barrage of half-truth’s carefully worked by market people to produce certain notions in us, without us recognizing the manipulation.
Part of that process is that it is natural to assume that your government is as advertised, you elected representatives. But much of what both parties represent now is an attempt to leverage that trust into blind obediance. Now I am very obediant to the ideals of this country, it’s constitution and principals.. But a conscientious examination of the way things are working now, is that every attempt is being made to undermine and discard that document. Bush has been quoted as saying the constitution is “just a piece of paper”.
That’s treason. Period.
But that’s how the Neo-cons think. Many are disciples of an oddball jewish philosopher named Leo Strauss, a holicaust survivor, who came up with a philisophy that it is O.K. to B.S. your population. becuse you are superior, you are the leader. Most people don’t know about this, you kind of have to follow the trail where it leads. Our government has been Machiavellian (read: “unprincipled”) in many ways for a long time, but this alien idea set is making it magnitudes worse. I can’t give you the full explanation here, you’ll have to research it on your own. There isn’t space here.
You are a free person, and you can decide what you will. I have offered some signs pointing to information that will not generally be discussed in the media, they don’t want to wake the sheep. An we are all sheep sometimes. But it is vital to try not to be….
Mark Lytle

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It has been said a country ends up with the leaders it deserves. We deserve better. We’ll get better. Trust me.
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– Posted by: Scott Chrimes | Jun 11, 2007 9:29:03 AM
Good leadership does not just happen by accident. “We the people” have to MAKE it happen. And to be able to do that, we need to be INFORMED. We need to know the nature of the problem, before we can deal with it.
That’s where the “mainstream media” come in. Their job is to ensure that we remain in the dark. I doubt very much that the mainstream media will tell you about the neo-con fascist agenda — about Strauss and Trotsky and the dark history of Israel. Even here on the internet, in this forum, if you cross the line and mention the unmentionables, your message gets deleted. Land of the free? — not anymore!

Study: Victory Not Through Force
Tuesday, June 12, 2007 – FreeMarketNews
The most powerful nations failed to achieve their objectives in 39 percent of their military operations since World War II, according to a new study that bodes ill for American hopes of winning the war in Iraq. Victory in any conflict hinges on getting the population of the adversary on your side, the study showed. Driving Saddam Hussein’s army out of Kuwait in the 1991 Gulf War and overthrowing his government in 2003 worked by brute force, said study leader Patricia L. Sullivan in the School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Georgia. But quelling sectarian violence in Iraq today would require “target compliance.” -Live Science