By Brian Ross Richard Esposito Maddy Sauer

Aug 15, 2007 7:00am

Exclusive: U.S. Studying Two Dozen ‘Clusters’ of Possible Homegrown Terrorists

U.S. law enforcement officials say they have identified more than two dozen "clusters" of young Muslim men in the northeast United States who are on a path that could lead to homegrown terror, ABC News has learned. "Any one of those clusters may be capable of carrying out a terrorist action that will result in fatalities," Rand Corporation terrorism expert Brian Jenkins tells ABC News. In a report to be made public today, New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly concludes the 9/ll attacks were an "anomaly" and the most serious terror threat to the country comes from clusters of "unremarkable" individuals who are on a path that could lead to homegrown terror. Watch Brian Ross’ Report on “Good Morning America” The report by the NYPD intelligence division, "Radicalization in the West and the Homegrown Threat," plots "the trajectory of radicalization" and tracks the path of a non-radicalized individual to an individual with the willingness to commit an act of terror, multiple sources say. "The threat is real; this is not some bogey man we are creating here. There are individuals who are proselytizing, inciting angry young men to go down this path," said Jenkins, who reviewed and contributed to the NYPD report. Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage. The report identifies mosques, bookstores, cafes, prisons and flop houses as what it calls "radicalization incubators" that provide "extremist fodder or fuel for radicalization." The leader of an American Arab civil rights group labeled the NYPD report as "unfortunate stereotyping" and at odds with federal law enforcement findings that the threat from homegrown terrorists was minimal. "It is completely un-American; it goes against everything we stand for," said Kareem Shora, executive director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. "We do not want to alienate any segment of any community, and by using that language you are actually aiding the extremists in their recruiting efforts." The NYPD report, ABC News sources said, concludes that while al Qaeda can provide inspiration and an "ideological reference point," instances of command and control by al Qaeda are the exception rather than the rule. It states that most or many terrorist attacks and attempted attacks in Europe, Australia, Canada and the United States have been thought up by and planned by local residents seeking to attack their own country of residence. The report, in its conclusions, asserts that the most significant threat to the homeland is not al Qaeda but the spread of the ideology promulgated by violent extremist Muslims, such as those belonging to al Qaeda, into the United States where it helps to radicalize residents. The report is seen by several individuals familiar with it as filling a large gap in the most recent National Intelligence Estimate, which was released July 17 and contained little to no explicit discussion of homegrown terrorism. "We assess that al-Qa’ida is and will remain the most serious terrorist threat to the Homeland," the NIE states in its "Key Judgments." "We assess that the spread of radical — especially Salafi — Internet sites, increasingly aggressive anti-U.S. rhetoric and actions and the growing number of radical, self-generating cells in Western countries indicate that the radical and violent segment of the West’s Muslim population is expanding, including in the United States," the NIE says in its most significant paragraph on the topic. "We assess that this internal Muslim terrorist threat is not likely to be as severe as it is in Europe, however," is the paragraph’s close. The NYPD report cites at least 10 well-known recent cases where local authorities, the FBI and European police and intelligence agencies have thwarted plots developed either wholly or in a very large part by homegrown "actors," with little or no support from al Qaeda. According to multiple sources familiar with the classified version of the NIE, the body of that document does little to expand on the analysis of the issue of homegrown terror.  High-ranking local and regional law enforcement in several North American jurisdictions tell ABC News that while it is important to acknowledge the links to al Qaeda — whether inspirational, through the Internet or through travel — it is far more important, from a law enforcement perspective, to try to identify at what points an individual might be ready to embrace violence. Using the NYPD matrix, those officials say there are at least two dozen "clusters," or "pockets," of individuals in the region who are at various places along the path of radicalization. In an Intelligence Assessment published at the end of June, New Jersey officials at the state’s Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness noted, "Through its ongoing review of extremist Web logs, the Intelligence Bureau has identified numerous pockets of radical youth existing in New Jersey communities and especially on N.J. campuses." The purpose of the structure proposed by the NYPD is to create a tool enabling authorities to measure whether these "pockets" are moving from sanctioned activities toward violence. Other law enforcement efforts to arrive at a prescriptive approach to homegrown terrorism are underway, and law enforcement officials are conscious that while these activities seem essential, they touch on thorny political issues in many jurisdictions and have to be carefully orchestrated to avoid conflict with constitutional protections in the U.S. But, Jenkins says, those protections have an outer limit. "Freedom of speech, freedom of religion does not provide a defense against planning and preparation for violence," he tells ABC News. In West Yorkshire, England, a "community mapping model" is underway seeking to identify potential high-risk pockets in the region, which includes Leeds, home to several alleged conspirators of the four bombers in the July 7, 2005 attack on London’s transportation system that killed 52 people. In at least one major U.S. city, a similar pilot study is under consideration. The New Jersey Intelligence Assessment identified prisons, the Internet, universities and religious/cultural institutions as the places where "radicalization in New Jersey appears to occur." That report also spells out the key concern behind the intense law enforcement effort to make an effort to identify individuals who might be moving toward violence. "There is evidence that radicalization is taking place in the U.S…Studies of this phenomenon in Europe have shown that these individuals are virtually indistinguishable from the population in which they live. Certain risk factors such as age and personality type may be identified, but they are not predicative," the New Jersey report says. The dense, 90-page NYPD analysis is the nation’s first full analysis of the potential for increased homegrown terror in the United States and the first to develop a matrix on which to plot the course of "unremarkable" people as they move toward the potential for violent action, multiple persons familiar with the report told ABC News. Months in the drafting, the report makes use of a novel "cluster" model to determine where on the path from preradicalized and self-identification to indoctrination and jihad an individual and immediate peer group may be. As such, it is a valuable tool for assessing individuals that come to law enforcement’s attention and in making cogent arguments in court cases, sources who reviewed the report’s drafts told ABC News. Do you have a tip for Brian Ross and the Investigative Team?

User Comments

Hey, I thought we were fightin’ em over there so we didn’t have to fight ‘em here!

Posted by: Eric | August 15, 2007, 7:16 am 7:16 am

They are in MONTREAL too! I hope there are some “people” looking up here! I have observed some pretty unsettling people up here.

Posted by: How I Really Feel | August 15, 2007, 8:37 am 8:37 am

THis is AWESOME!! How do we get a copy?
Thank you!
Kathy
And KEEP up the good work and reporting. Especially LOVE your weekly EElvis series this week!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Kathy | August 15, 2007, 8:56 am 8:56 am

America is where Europe was 20 years ago, in regard to out of control illegal immigration. Today, Europe’s in big trouble.
Any politician who appeases will enable tomorrow’s terrorist attacks.

Posted by: moderationist | August 15, 2007, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Is our government going to arm its citizens like Iraq did so we can protect ourselves? Why? Because who in the hell is going to protect us since George & Dick have all our military in Iraq? Wake up people. We can’t even protect our homeland now. Is that the result of good leadership? I think not.

Posted by: Ron | August 15, 2007, 9:14 am 9:14 am

This is exactly why we need to be policing our OWN country instead of everywhere else in the world.
When the next terrorist attack occurs, we will be pointing the fingers at our own citizens, and asking ourselves why we didn’t see it coming.
Way to keep us safe, Chertoff.

Posted by: Doug | August 15, 2007, 9:15 am 9:15 am

Terorism is a religious war, and religion extremism knows no geographic boundaries.
As long as we have Islamists in the US, we will have the potential for terrorism from within. The religion not only does not discourage such actions, it actually encourages them. As a religion, Islam would appear to be the most barbaric religion since the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | August 15, 2007, 9:17 am 9:17 am

Run for the hills. Things are going badly in Iraq so lets have a terror story to cheer everybody up YEAH.
How a bout a story telling America 9 US troops are dead in Baghdad?

Posted by: Chris | August 15, 2007, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Wow. How to scare people and not really tell them anything useful.

Posted by: Anon | August 15, 2007, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Why are 99% of known terrorist muslims? Should we be weary of all muslims? Why are they so angry? What will it take to fix this problem?

Posted by: disabledvet46 | August 15, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Can you people read? The article didnt say Al Qaeda isnt a threat (it still is ) its saying this is the most SIGNIFICANT threat, you big dummies.
And Chris even the New York Slime is saying were winning the war in Iraq

Posted by: David | August 15, 2007, 10:04 am 10:04 am

We have the the potential for groups to do acts of “terror” at anytime in this country. What about KKK the Nazi fundamentalists, various cults who stock pile weapons, etc. That fact is the main thing these groups don’t like right now are the people making decisions in this country. Vote them out of office and we all become safer. Elect the same old group of insiders and you will get more of the what the last 16 years has given us – resentment. People need to wake up, this is a war of ideology. Like the Spearhead song goes – “You can bomb them to peices, but you can’t bomb them to peace.”
I respect the hell out of all our vets they have done a great job and done all that can be expected of them. But our government policies are wrong and we need to admit that.

Posted by: Allen Boe | August 15, 2007, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Rick McDaniel–What makes you think that the only homegrown terrorists are Muslims?
Timothy McVeigh? Terry Nichols? Bueller??

Posted by: Doug | August 15, 2007, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Where are the arrests? The plans for the attacks? The confessions? I don’t believe that there are terrorists in America. Not when reports of terror are like this one.
At least, not Muslim terrorists. Good Christian American terrorists, I’ll buy that…

Posted by: Sean | August 15, 2007, 10:06 am 10:06 am

So it wasn’t good enough to invade Iraq, destabilize it economically, politically and socially, but now you want to come after young muslim men?
When will Americans learn that this is all following the path of the encampment of the American Indian, enslavement of the Blacks and racism towards Asians?
To Rick McDaniel: No religion incites war. Islam DOES NOT incite war. People do. To post such an arrogant and inaccurate reflection of a religion is pathetic. Let me remind you that barbaric methods were used in Vietnam too and they weren’t muslim. Also, have you forgotten that it was your military that trained and taught rebel military techniques to the Taliban which spread to AlQaeda? Did you forget that it was the West/Europe that invaded Africa, the Middle East and Asia to loot the riches of those countries — it’s known as “imperialism”. and when the “imperialist” were no longer interested they left those places in shambles. That’s what is the root cause of this terrorism. The West disenfranchised Africa and the East politically, socially and econommically and the ramifications are being seen today.

Posted by: SAK | August 15, 2007, 10:09 am 10:09 am

Also… the Spanish Inquisition wasn’t a religion… it was religiously inspired… by CHRISTIANS.

Posted by: Doug | August 15, 2007, 10:13 am 10:13 am

This sort of “radicalization” has been going on since at least the mid-60′s…do you all have amnesia? lol
Poor black folk from america’s ghettos in the prison system, McVeigh types who want to bring the “system” down, Latino gangs…this isn’t new…
…and moderationist is pretty much right…

Posted by: Jazz | August 15, 2007, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Ron, Our Military can not operate within the US. You know that right? Our military can ONLY be used in foreign countries….like for example…Iraq.
The US hasn’t been hit since 9/11. Why? Maybe because we are fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here. :) I would say the fact that we haven’t been hit since is an example of excellent leadership.

Posted by: Jon | August 15, 2007, 10:16 am 10:16 am

I feel safe knowing that our Federal Government is protecting us from Medical Marijuana while terrorism grows out of control.

Posted by: jim | August 15, 2007, 10:23 am 10:23 am

It seems to me that one of the tactics of the terrorists is to use our political correctness to their advantage. By driving a wedge between the the conservative and liberal philosophies they are able to operate under the radar while the two opposing factions in the US fight over the individual’s constitutional rights. If a terrorists needs to divert attention to his activities he simply has to make a case that his civil rights are being violated and all the attention is drawn to his rights instead of what he is intending to do.

Posted by: John Dixon | August 15, 2007, 10:25 am 10:25 am

For those who are complaining about the context of this story should embrace this story and perhaps discuss it with your friends and fellow workers so you can sound intelligent for once.

Posted by: JONCON | August 15, 2007, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Political correctness – our country’s most dangerous disease!

Posted by: Bill Dolphin | August 15, 2007, 10:26 am 10:26 am

How about letting us know which cities they are reporting to have “terror activity” going on? I want to make sure to avoid those places!

Posted by: Yolandah | August 15, 2007, 10:28 am 10:28 am

As Malcom X said “The chickens have come home to roost”

Posted by: Larry XXX | August 15, 2007, 10:29 am 10:29 am

“Is our government going to arm its citizens like Iraq did so we can protect ourselves? Why? Because who in the hell is going to protect us since George & Dick have all our military in Iraq? Wake up people. We can’t even protect our homeland now. Is that the result of good leadership? I think not.”
Apparently this person doesn’t remember that the Democrats always side with all Islamic rights groups. Thats why we have to allow so many Islamic Fascist into the country, because otherwise we might be considered racist. When these Islamic Fascist start killing Americans on the East and West coast I’ll bet they find a way to blame it on someone else.

Posted by: Alex | August 15, 2007, 10:30 am 10:30 am

Kareem Shora, executive director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Beware of these people, they appear to approve of the activities of these terror enabling groups.
I can’t believe that anyone can be so naive as to think that terrorism won’t come here just because we fight them somewhere else. Do a little research and see how they work. Not for your own good but for the good of future generations of Americans. We have to be informed. Never believe what you read or hear without researching the informaiton yourself.

Posted by: hp | August 15, 2007, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Stop ALL immigration to this country
immediately. End of story. This is war
and we’re fighting for our safety.
Just look at Europe and learn from
their mistakes.

Posted by: mickey | August 15, 2007, 10:31 am 10:31 am

On a more serious note the bombings in London on 7/7 were caused by Moslem terrorists who were born in this country. The attempted bombings on 14/7 were caused by those moslems who had sought asylum in the UK.
It is a major threat, particularly with the ideological struggle which is being played out on the Internet, today Now.
Richard Reid the shoe bomber was influenced by the radical cleric Abu Hamza, currently in prison, shortly to be transferred to the States for trial. And this is the key both in America and britain, we must monitor arrest and deport preachers of hate in the mosques. Our Moslem communities must take an active role in eradicating the cancer in Islam which is fundamentalism.
We also need to help Musharef in Pakistan defeat extremism there, this is very urgent more urgent than getting Osama Bin Laden. The government of pakistan is creaking, and could fall, and pakistan is a nuclear power.
Only then will we be able to confront the threat and scourge of terrorism on our country’s head on.

Posted by: Chris | August 15, 2007, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Um, have any of you complaining about our military being abroad ever bothered to learn what the posse comitatus act is? It says the US military can’t be used within our own borders. The National Guard is an exception because the Guard is actually a state militia. Radical Islam knows no boundaries people. Their goal is to establish their version of Islam worldwide. They will use any means necessary including developing terrorists within our own borders. Blaming Bush is just plain lame. This problem existed well before he took office and will exist long after he leaves. Time for people to wake up to the real and present danger radical Islam poses.

Posted by: Jim | August 15, 2007, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Amazing yet predictable. Instead of the Arab “Civil Rights” group saying, “This is very important information, how can we help you combat Islamic Radicals” they whine about discrimination.
And what a surprise that our campuses are hotbeds of radicalism! How many anti-American, Leftist professors goad these students on. Not to mention the presence of campus groups like The Muslim Students Association who would institute Sharia Law in a minute if they could…

Posted by: Buy Danish | August 15, 2007, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Keep the Liberals out of office and we will be SAFE……!!!!!!!

Posted by: Freddie | August 15, 2007, 10:37 am 10:37 am

This just confirms why we need to stop allowing these people to come here. They are not looking for a better life, they’re looking to reap the benefits this country offers and terrorize us in the process. Now based on info given by 60 Minutes, our government is going to bring about 2,000 people from Iraq to start new lives. Like we need more Muslims here. How will they determine if any of these people are potential threats? We have enought people here now draining our tax dollars. The sad part is that the US gov’t will take our tax dollars to set these people up who have never paid one dollar into our system. However will deny our military veterans benefits, allow situations like Hurricane Katrina and never help people who have actually paid taxes. Our Gov’t doesn’t give a damn about us, only about their Republican friends and how they can keep all their profits and pay no taxes. We’re doomed.

Posted by: Thelma | August 15, 2007, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Chris it’s not a reporter’s job to say anything useful. They just report. If something happens and you weren’t told about it then you whine.

Posted by: Jason | August 15, 2007, 10:38 am 10:38 am

1) The ones that we are killing over there are no longer a threat to us.
2) The report finds the “home grown” threat is the bigger problem now.
3) The ones we are fighting over there aren’t going to go home and go back to sheep herding or whatever they do for a livng if we surrender in Iraq; they will be emboldened [We defeated the great Satan], and we will indeed then have to fight them and the home grown threat.
It will be a long war.

Posted by: KevinD | August 15, 2007, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Our military is EXACTLY where it needs to be. It’s up to everyone here in this country to protect the homeland. Anyone remember the Revolution? That’s why we’re armed, folks!
You want to do something to save your country, buy a gun.

Posted by: Carlkp | August 15, 2007, 10:40 am 10:40 am

I believe this is the message for those “hate Bush” liberal idiots that believe there is no threat to the U.S. and western world. This is a global conflict.

Posted by: billclintoon | August 15, 2007, 10:41 am 10:41 am

The “war” in Iraq will be still going on when I’m dead and gone. It is for OIL and the PROFITS made from “rebuilding”. Why don’t we “rebuild” our own country instead of someone else’s. Duuuuuhhhhhh!

Posted by: artist22 | August 15, 2007, 10:47 am 10:47 am

“Timothy McVeigh? Terry Nichols?”
They had help, it’s been well-documented. How can two guys with no experience construct a complicated bomb (double-pull, double-throw triggers) and then load said 700 POUND BOMB into a truck by themselves?
Where are John Doe #1 and 2? Eh, Sandy Berger? Janet Reno?

Posted by: Kyle Coppola | August 15, 2007, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Hey SAK…….get off your soap box! Radical Muslims are to blame for 99% of terrorist activities in the world – you can’t deny that! Any yes, barbaric methods were used in Viet Nam – by the VC & NVA. I know – I was there. We need to close our borders and kick out any Muslim that might be involved in any way in terrorist activities. After all, if it comes to an all-out war with the USA, whose side will they all come down on? You can blame the people in office, but terrorism is real and we all know who is behind it.

Posted by: The Patriot | August 15, 2007, 10:54 am 10:54 am

I cannot wait until Hillary and Obama are elected in two years. We can all sit around the campfire with them, holding hands and singing “Koom ba, My lord, Koom ba I. As our families are getting raped and murdered by muslim terrorists.

Posted by: mike jones | August 15, 2007, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Jeanotte – We are fighting over there and still Al-Qaeda is stronger than ever (from NIE report) and OBL is free as bird? Yes there was no attack after the 93 WTC bombing when Clinton was President. Is that a measure of success? OBL planned the attack 12 years. Its not the dumb leadership it’s our luck that it hasn’t happened yet. No matter how many billions you spend it can’t be controlled. The best way is stop like some on esaid here racist “Imperialism” that USA perpetuates in the middle east to get cheap oil and oil contracts. You want examples? Saudi is the biggest exporter of radical islam (Wahabism) all over the wrold, it aids and supports terrorists and 15 of the 911 attackers were Saudis what did we do nothing. Because we care for their investment and your leader is benefitting big time from it. Think before you fall for more lies from your leaders.

Posted by: StupidPatriotism | August 15, 2007, 11:04 am 11:04 am

We need to get serious about protecting this country. If that means racial profiling, then we must do that. If that means deporting members of a radical Islamic sect, we must do that.
If these people do try to commit an act of terrorism here, once convicted they must be put to death in a most public way in hopes of deterring others.

Posted by: Randall | August 15, 2007, 11:04 am 11:04 am

where’s Islamburg,PA.?

Posted by: dave | August 15, 2007, 11:09 am 11:09 am

Ok, so now the news media is BEGINNING to wake up. Americans told people of all races. Come to America and live a life of your dreams. Islam is a very unsafe relegion. Study your history from Abraham on and you will see why. Now after we have invited them to America , they want America to be under the rule of Allah and his ways. So, study his ways. the Koran states to lie, cheat , steal , and kill to further the cause. That is how Mohammad furthered his ideas. So this is MY response to that. It is time for a drastic change in policy in the US. Time for Muslims, to leave. Yes I am sure there of “good” Muslims, but America please do not forget, during this period, America hears nothing from them. So you too can join them and go home.

Posted by: MrC | August 15, 2007, 11:15 am 11:15 am

Hey to alan boe who said: “Like the Spearhead song goes – “You can bomb them to peices, but you can’t bomb them to peace.”
Go read a real history book and not lyrics by a loser band. Find out how we ended the tyranny of the japanese empire and hitler. CLUE to the clueless – it wasnt by holding hands and singing kumbayah.

Posted by: Rob Dusenberg | August 15, 2007, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Yes, it’s true the US Military cannot be used within our borders. Why not post them ON the borders instead??
Also, once martial law is declared after the next major tragedy, Bush has FEMA poised police the nation. I’m sure they’ll do a bang up job, much like they did after Katrina.

Posted by: Doug | August 15, 2007, 11:19 am 11:19 am

So many people with heads in the sand here.
Islam is the problem. Period. This has nothing to do with Nazi Germany. Why must you people live in the past. We didn’t choose this war, they did.

Posted by: Jenn | August 15, 2007, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Well it shouldn’t be too long before the Government starts targeting the Patriot community for trying to force the Government to obey the rule of Law and the Constitution.

Posted by: Patriot 2007 | August 15, 2007, 11:25 am 11:25 am

“posse comitatus”
When congress passed the Patriot Act provisions were put in that would allow the President to suspend posse comitatus as well as the insurrection act.
I suggest you read the patriot act and see exactly what it was our servant congress did to us.

Posted by: Patriot 2007 | August 15, 2007, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Greeaat. The most dangerous enemy is our own populace…. Does anyone else see anything wrong with this report?
Looks like more fear mongering to me.. Let’s convince everyone that your neighbor is your enemy and get more surveillance.
Wake up people.

Posted by: K | August 15, 2007, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Thanks to our hardworking law enforcement officials who are doing all they can to keep us safe.
“Keep the Liberals out of office and we will be SAFE!”
AMEN!

Posted by: NaC | August 15, 2007, 11:29 am 11:29 am

This report is NOT NEWS. Your local muslims have been reading the internet sites of Al Qaeda and others for years. Some percentage are going to be brought into the radical camp. The fact that these web sites are so full of lies is completly lost on these morons (belief in total BS seems to be a muslim character flaw). You have to love the ones about US soldiers harvesting body parts in Iraq.
So Now, we have local idiots who want to kill US citizens and think they can bring about a caliphate to rule the United States.
You can read for yourself thier plans and statements on these subjects.
Many of them want to act on these plans.
Most US Citizens are prepared to react to these plans.

Posted by: CN Williams | August 15, 2007, 11:30 am 11:30 am

The NYPD seems to be losing it again.
Just what we need — the stock
market in a slow speed crash, no
health insurance for millions, the
US dollar in decline, a war with
Iran about to start, and this bunch
of Key Stone Kops “discovers” an
internal threat (maybe).
And the former chief fruit loop
wants to be Il Duce…

Posted by: George McDuffee | August 15, 2007, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Thanks to our hardworking law enforcement officials who are doing all they can to keep us safe.
“Keep the Liberals out of office and we will be SAFE!”
AMEN!

Posted by: NaC | August 15, 2007, 11:30 am 11:30 am

One scary place is Detroit, Michigan, which has one of the largest muslim populations in the country. It is also home to the Muslim Brotherhood, a very dangerous and extremist group. They believe in the complete destruction of the United States, christians, and jews. Also, while I am hispanic, I have noticed some mexican looking men who really do not look mexican except for the skin pigment and hair color. I saw one the other day and he was on a phone, but he was not speaking spanish or english, but some other language. If we all just keep vigilant, watch, report. It is the only way to stay safe.

Posted by: Adrianna | August 15, 2007, 11:38 am 11:38 am

More of the Bush admin trying to scare us. There is NO terrorism. This is about OIL, get it??
Once the Dems (re)take their rightful place in power, the world will love us again. Peace will rein, and taxes will go up.
Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me…

Posted by: Roger | August 15, 2007, 11:39 am 11:39 am

These people should be deported immediately and if they are citizens, their citizenship should be immediately revoked. We put thousands of innocent Japanese in internment camps during World War II because the survival of the nation warrented this. We’re in the same situation, only it’s not politically correct to do such things now.

Posted by: Ken | August 15, 2007, 11:39 am 11:39 am

soon the democrats will be added to that list of homegrown terror cells…imagine them asking for vote verification and other annoyances like that…jail the DEMS as they are terrorists if 2006 was any indication…

Posted by: daddy | August 15, 2007, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Thelma, the democrats are as much to blame or more. Remember it was a democrat as president when several incidents tied to Al Queda were happening all around the world, including here in the U.S. The World Trade Center was first bombed in 1993 and the congress was controlled by democrats. How quickly we forget history and find it so convenient to allow ourselves and others to rewrite it into lies. Very sad Thelma.

Posted by: Adrianna | August 15, 2007, 11:43 am 11:43 am

To Eric, I can see your GED has really prepared you for critical thinking. The report says HOME GROWN. Read: they were already HERE. You must have been mentally out of town in the last few years as we have a number of extreamist in this country causing problems. The difference here is that they want to kill U.S. Citizens not burn down property as the Earth First nut cases do. But I don’t put to far out the relm of possibility that they enviromental types will be far behind.

Posted by: mark | August 15, 2007, 11:43 am 11:43 am

The UK, Holland, Belgium and France are pretty much history. Sweden is not far behind. Islam is taking over Western Europe. Muslims use legal threats, targeted violence, political correctness, Saudi money and open-borders to take over. America is only 20 years behind Europe.

Posted by: Freddy | August 15, 2007, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Posted by: Chris | Aug 15, 2007 10:32:23 AM
Chris, you said it perfectly…

Posted by: Charles | August 15, 2007, 11:46 am 11:46 am

you have that right mike jones!

Posted by: kim clift RN | August 15, 2007, 11:47 am 11:47 am

it’s all about forming the north american union..these people running this country know exactly what they are doing….pretty soon the economy will crash, the next big event will happen..they have you under control and you don’t even see it.

Posted by: jim | August 15, 2007, 11:48 am 11:48 am

REMEMBER 911. You “politically correct” folks can keep your heads in the sand if you want to, but “I AIN’T STUPID”. The “STEREOTYPICAL YOUNG MUSLIM MALE” here in our Country whether homegrown or here On Visas, are playing our own FREEDOMS AGAINST US and it’s gonna eventually BITE US IN THE ARSE AGAIN!!! WAKE UP, DUMMIES!!!!
“REMEMBER 911″

Posted by: LindaDee | August 15, 2007, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Is our country going to arm us like they did in Iraq? I don’t know about you Ron, but I’m already armed and ready. I’m ready to round up all those maniacs and either send them back to their ME paradise or any other paradise they prefer.

Posted by: Mike | August 15, 2007, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Why is the U.S. allowing muslims to immigrate into this country or to come and study in this country? U.S. foreign policy is more concerned with not offending arab oil interests in the Middle East than in protecting the country.
They should rename that clown Chertoff’s department the Department of Homeland Insecurity.

Posted by: Maurice DuBois | August 15, 2007, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Kyle Coppola-I’m not saying that McVeigh and Nichols worked on their own. But the fact is, they were NOT Muslim.

Posted by: Doug | August 15, 2007, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Deportation for disagreeing with the masses? Public executions??
Randall… welcome to Iran.

Posted by: Doug | August 15, 2007, 11:57 am 11:57 am

It sure is easy to tell which posts are from liberal democrats. When are you people going to see the truth. These people hate us for being us and wont rest until they cause harm.
Keep focused on gay rights and letting illegals in the country and we’ll see where that gets us. You will be effected the most living in a country of Muslim rule…

Posted by: Spotted Owl Eater | August 15, 2007, 11:57 am 11:57 am

How dumb and ignorant are you all. The very radical muslims you are hating now were used and are being used by CIA. Do you even know OBL was trained by CIA in the latest warfare when Reagan was in Power? Do you know that your President’s father GHWB, dances with Saudis (muslims), who support radical islam all over the world and aid terrorists? Do you know the Saudis have invested heavily in this country and your president is the beneficiary of that investment. IF you hate muslims start from Saudi Arabia. Don’t send the $30 bn worth of weapons. Send back all the investments they made. Stop benefitting from their cheap oil. Then close your borders to all muslims.

Posted by: viewfromoutside | August 15, 2007, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Flop house.. lol, haven’t heard that word since the 20′s.

Posted by: Joe Heinz | August 15, 2007, 11:59 am 11:59 am

How is it that we spend so much time and lucre to solve these problems, yet end up with stupid results like this report!?
If we had just given Iraqis, and Afghanis the MONEY that we have spent blowing up and occupying their countries for all of these years… what would those results have been?

Posted by: m jackson | August 15, 2007, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Rather than watching these clusters we should be arresting them and deporting them immediately…why wait until they attack…kick em out and ban Muslims from immigrating to the USA

Posted by: Joey | August 15, 2007, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

What’s the problem here? Are we forgetting to be politically correct? Have we lost our sense of multiculturism?
We need to embrace these guys and welcome them into our communities where we can all sing kumbaya.
let’s not violate their right to commit violence and mayhem. It’s all America’a fault (Bush too) so we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Now go out and buy a bullet proof vest for yourselves.
Idiots…
/sarcasm off

Posted by: JustGreat | August 15, 2007, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Waaa, waaaa, waaaaaaaaaaa!
Throughout history, evil ideologies have risen up, and thankfully, throughout history remarkably brave individuals, groups, and/or God centered governments have eventually crushed them.
It is our time to step up ladies and gentlemen, for as long as it takes, with whatever it takes, to put down the predominant evil idealogy of our time.
Hopefully, the generations to follow will speak in gratitude of our willingness to confront the evil that threatens our existence and their future.
With that, God Bless our armed forces!
Tony

Posted by: Tony | August 15, 2007, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

just some points to make on the article and some very distorted view points:
- american and european foreign policies have alot to answer for they have helped to loparise the people of the middle east. currently america are supporting Israel with 2.4 billion dollars of aid per year while palistinians (muslems and christian live in isolation and abject poverty and dis aray). the issue of palistine has not been delt with honestely. Amercia are supllying arms to saudia arabia of the tune of 200 billion dollars and the gulf stats of about 12 million dollars and egypt to tune of 13 billion dolars and done forget lonely little isarael of package of about 30 billion dollars of aid over 10 years. maybe just alittle idea instead of funding israel to tune of 30 billion dollars why dopnt hey suport the underclasess the poor of amrica, i am sure this woulkd reduce poverty and resentment amongst those that could be seen as possible recruiting fodder for the radicals.
- radicals are not just brown skinned and speak arabic , but white people that speak irish, european people that speak spanish, black people that speak afircan (catch my drift)

Posted by: lost soulz | August 15, 2007, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

It takes only a few radicals to destroy the lives of many. It takes only a few liberals to do the same. I say we deport both groups.

Posted by: johnk144 | August 15, 2007, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

I am always amused to read comments such as what was written by Jon:
I would say the fact that we haven’t been hit since is an example of excellent leadership.
To my recollection it was slightly over 8 years between the first WTC bombing (April 1993) and 9/11. Based on that if we get to February of 2010 without an attack we will be doing at least as well as we did under that leadership.
Bottom line is we are no safer then we have been in years and the war in Iraq has been nothing but a huge drain on this country. It has cost huge sums of borrowed money but more importantly has cost the lives of over 3,800 brave American men and women.

Posted by: Donn | August 15, 2007, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

Why are we “watching” them–until they slip away and strike us?
Whay don’t we throw them the hell out of our country???
This is ridiculous.

Posted by: BullDogLvr | August 15, 2007, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Thank you MrC! Those radicals, who would be locked in an insane asylum, were they American Christians, need to understand the true “American Spirit”, not what they hear from Durbin, Pelosi, Reid, Edwards, and Kerry. We won’t put up with this! And you “moderate” muslims better understand that. You’re with us, or your against us. And so far your silence is deafening. You had better clean up your mess, or we will, and you will get swept up with the rest of the trash.

Posted by: Mike | August 15, 2007, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Our safety here in our country has always and will always be dependent upon ourselves. You can count on our government to chase and prosecute your murderer, if you want to, but ultimately, your immediate personal and family defense, if you want to live, is ALL UP TO YOU. The Liberals will not be happy until they also take away your ability to defend yourself. Folks.. you know it and I know it… the Liberals will never save us from ANYTHING.. What we need is something to save us from the Liberals….

Posted by: Carl | August 15, 2007, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

All I am hearing in this “story” is more excuses to justify more laws. These laws are attempting to take away rights yet at the same time protect people that are not citizens.
My point is we are on the verge of civil war here in the US and I would strongly suggest that the politicians wake up. Otherwise they will be living like the current leadership in Iraq.

Posted by: Mike | August 15, 2007, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Hillary is the answer! Now, what was the question?

Posted by: Mason | August 15, 2007, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

It would be well to remember that the Spanish Inquisition was nothing more nor less than an over reaction to having been occupied by muslim barbarians for centuries. islam has been at war with the world since it’s very inception. It is a “religion” of imperial conquest, death and institutionalized hate. The Crusades were a defensive action against islammic agression and outrage. Only an idiot could compare the Judeo-Christian ethic negatively with the mohamedan death cult.

Posted by: Steve | August 15, 2007, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

You can hate Bush, Cheney & the Repubs or Hillary, Obama,Pelosi & the Dems. Its really irrelevant because none of these dorks are doing anything or will, except talk big. So flip a coin which schmoes you want in power. As long as our borders are unsecure, any maniac can come in. There WILL be another attack & nothing will stop it as long as subversive Moslems or any other aliens including Martians, Venusians or Jupiterians can get here.

Posted by: Steve in Colorado | August 15, 2007, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

I’m the magical man from Happy Land, with a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane!
Stupid Liberals…

Posted by: Homer | August 15, 2007, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Start with Waco Texas. It seems to be the loonie capital of the US.

Posted by: WDRussell | August 15, 2007, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Why do the Liberals love the Islamist terrorists?

Posted by: wondering | August 15, 2007, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.

Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | August 15, 2007, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Thanks ABC for posting this alarming report. Our politicans, educational, religious, and business leaders have compromised our freedom and national security by appeasing groups like CAIR and the American Arab Anti-Discrimination League. It oppresses women by forcing them to wear burkas(while the men look at western women in modern clothes) and treats them like chattel.
The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution to protect liberty and Americans from our enemies, and not as a suicide pact as the liberals are treating it. The Nazis took control of Germany by the will of the people because the Weimar Republic failed to protect them from chaos and anarchy.

Posted by: milwolf | August 15, 2007, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

If all the bleeding heart Dems woudl shut up with all their politically correct banter and “outrage” over our intelligence agencies investigating these foreigners who pose a real threat to our safety, then we could easily weed these bastards out. But Democrats would rather believe we are in the 1950s when proxy wars ruled andwhen no true domestic threat was present. They believe that we can talk everything out and peace love an harmony will reign like a utopia. Lets get real. If something/somoene looks suspicious, the governement for ALL OF OUR SAFETY should be allowed to investigate and civil liberties be damned. If they have nothing to hide, then there should be no problem. We live in a pre-9/11 world, the reality is we get them first or they get us. Its that simple.

Posted by: DJ | August 15, 2007, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

I am a muslim US citizen, I attend mosques, universities , meetings, religious gatherings etc, if i see any sign of terrorism or intend to violence I will be the first to report it to the authoroties…there is none of that..article is just another a la foxnews attempt to scare ppl to maitain power of opinion.. there will more of this in the future as the elections appoach..I wd not even be surprised if they make stuff or a scene up.

Posted by: Abuzaid | August 15, 2007, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Foregt the over here over there mumbo jumbo.
This is as real as it gets and its everywhere. This enemy is VERY serious and Very focused. WAKE UP America and smell the coffee.
NYPD and Ray Kelly know exactly what is going on and God Bless them for taking it to the streets before it comes down again, everyone should be behind them or we all will suffer the dire consecquences.

Posted by: walter santos | August 15, 2007, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

It only takes a few radicals to destroy the lives of many. And it only takes a few liberals to do the same. I say it’s time to deport both groups.

Posted by: johnk144 | August 15, 2007, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

are we still looking the other way with regards to illegal’s to our country like newark or are we taking serious that if someone is here without permission they may break other laws like murder or terrorism? Just wondering?

Posted by: nate | August 15, 2007, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the hugely overwhelming majority of terrorists worldwide are Muslims. Look at a globe sometime… how many places can you find where a large Muslim population meets a non-Muslim population, where there isn’t violence? Islam is a religion that demands domination, peaceful if possible, but perfectly accepting of violence if necessary. Those Muslims not actively involved in violence either tacitly approve of it or are so cowed by the extremists in their midst that they will say nothing against them. In the absence of self-moderating movement in Islam, we cannot afford political correctness that prevents regulation from outside the religion. The extremists have already chosen their side; simply looking away and ignoring the problem will not prevent the conflict from coming, and it will envelope liberals and conservatives alike, despite how well anyone defended the civil rights of whatever group. Unfortunately, it’s probably going to take a mushroom cloud rising over an American city before some people going to wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by: p3orion | August 15, 2007, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

I stated most terrorist are muslims, not all. I attempted to make the point, what can we do, as people, to fix the problem? And I do not need to hear “vote for someone different”. I am talking about real solutions.

Posted by: disabledvet46 | August 15, 2007, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

should we all buy guns now? How do we protect ourselves from this threat? Arming or educating and fixing the problem? Maybe both. I just dont know. I do remember 9/11 but I do not know how to fix this.

Posted by: disabledvet46 | August 15, 2007, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

I hope there are more like you Abu.

Posted by: disabledvet46 | August 15, 2007, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Im sure alqueda is using the sex offender registry for recruitment as well since they have access to homeless unemployed felons that are in need of money to survive.Home grown terrorism is something that this goverment has created by allowing public access to peoples records online.

Posted by: Mike | August 15, 2007, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

The big picture is that terrorism is springing up everywhere in the world, but America is its “plum” of destruction. The time is at hand that the free world can no longer tolerate any rogue or hostile governments, as these are the “protected grounds” for unchecked terrorist developement, even nuclear developement, at the peril of the free world.

Posted by: NancyK | August 15, 2007, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

These fuzz are a bunch of unAmerican cowards unfit to be free. For all I care the bad guys can have them…

Posted by: Playin' Possum | August 15, 2007, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Prisons are listed as fertile recruiting
territory. That can only be referring to those many black criminals who suddenly become “pious” Moslems in prison.

Posted by: jackm | August 15, 2007, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Roger…Look back to the Clinton years…not true.
It’s not Bush that got the bleeding heart side of the world to hate us, it you cry baby Liberals, spewing hate, to out Liberal media that can’t report the truth, FOX NEWS. bush is finaly doing what should have been done 38 years ago.
Freddie

Posted by: Freddie | August 15, 2007, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

We are overlooking a big issue here, terrorists of any faith jutify their actions based on deeply seeded religious beliefs. The big problem is religion , not immigration!

Posted by: stan | August 15, 2007, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

I find it suspicious that Kareem Shora is eager to express how un-American the report is and not be out-spoken in opposing the philosophies of al-Qa’ida and other radicals. He sounds more like a protector of them rather than a voice of reason. I get the impression that his objective is to be a by stander and let these radicals imposes his religion upon the citizens of this country. This has been by taking advantage of the generosity of those that tend to turn the other cheek and by inducing fear. This is an all too familiar pattern in countries like Lebanon, Turkey, and now Iraq that have become subject to the subversion of civil liberties and individual conscience. I’m growing real tired of guys like Kareem Shora saying that they are good citizens while their actions don’t match their rhetoric. So, yes I’m going to profile just because of the suspicion that they earn. So give me some attitude and action that doesn’t feed my suspicion.

Posted by: lorax_mbell | August 15, 2007, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Timothy McVeigh was not a Muslim and as much as it sells wars, I am less worried about terrorism than I am worried about lack of access to health care and your garden variety violent crime.

Posted by: Sara B. | August 15, 2007, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

I don’t understand how so many people can have their heads in the sand at the same time. Liberals: Conservatives are correct. Radical muslims are hell-bent on killing us, mostly because we are infidels. Conservatives: Liberals are correct. Our dependence on foreign oil is an enormous problem.
Solution? Find an alternative to foreign oil, preferably a renewable resource. Then, pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia and Iraq and start defending OUR borders. We cannot win in Iraq as long as the citizens are uncommitted to the struggle, and we shouldn’t CARE about winning. We all know we could “win” if we wanted. We’re holding back because we at least possess some shred of humanity and regard for innocent life.
On the other hand, to paraphrase Ben Franklin, “Those who would give up sanity in exchange for a fundamentalist religion, deserve the insanity that fundamentalist religion will bring.” To put it bluntly, these people are TOO DUMB to help themselves. Our President should state this plain fact on national television as the reason for our withdrawal. It’s not “surrendering.” It’s telling them to go ahead and destroy themselves if they want. This would leave the Islamists with NO EXCUSE for targetting us. And if they still attack us, we’d have EVERY REASON to properly defend ourselves, only there wouldn’t be “holding back.”

Posted by: Greg8898 | August 15, 2007, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Kareem Shora was born in Syria. Go figure.

Posted by: ohbeonekenohbe | August 15, 2007, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression.
-W.E.B. DuBois
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Ben Franklin

Posted by: Isaac | August 15, 2007, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

iif the gov’t didnt look at these groups the liberals would be the first to jump all over bush for not aggressively pursuing home grown terrorists. someone posted that the military can not operate within the United States. thats not true. you swear and oath to protect the country from its enemies both foriegn and domestic. if needed any military service could be used within the United States borders. for any reason deemed a national security threat.

Posted by: derek | August 15, 2007, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

To quote Ben Franklin, “Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.” ….. Looks like the United States does not deserve security.
The tighter we squeeze the more will slip through our fingers. How about we provide more federal money for work programs, education, and cultural programs rather than turning our wonderful country into another police state like Britian.
Truly it is the fall of Rome.

Posted by: Benny Franky | August 15, 2007, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

For Kareem Shora, if it walks like a duck and acts like a duck its a duck. You can choose to get offend by that, but a fact is a fact.

Posted by: Mike Simms | August 15, 2007, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

I work at a large midwestern university, and when the students come back from being gone all summer in the homes in the Middle East, I worry. Are they in training camps while they are gone? They come back, gather on campus in small groups, whisper this and that. I think the next biggest threat will come from Al Queda members who have been recruited from the overseas student population. They can easily get in and out of the US, as long as they show up for class. Universities have large populations of people – so may a terrorist target someday? It’s all scary to me, a midwest mom.

Posted by: annie | August 15, 2007, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

The end is near!

Posted by: Tom | August 15, 2007, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

methinks we need to keep an eye on lost soulz. not american I think but posing.

Posted by: maryodawn | August 15, 2007, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Of course the radical Muslims can successfully recruit hardened criminals in prison. The promise of paradise for killing people – how could it get better?

Posted by: maryodawn | August 15, 2007, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

To: p3orion, Posted 1:03pm 8/15
Congratulations!
Couldn’t have said it better…
Billv

Posted by: Billv | August 15, 2007, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

So dropping smart bombs in the name of Jesus Christ and “Freedumb” isn’t “terror”? Terror is the use of fear or violence for politcal gain, that would make the Tyrant, his Republican Guard, and the U.S. Corporate “News” Media, terrorists!
Where is 9/11 Conspirator UBL? Oh!

Posted by: Post American | August 15, 2007, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

First we should not let them in. And how do get them out? I think we are just going to have to wait for something to happen again and then we as people will do what needs to be done. We are going to have to become old school no more fighting with our gloves on. Take it to their level.

Posted by: Tony | August 15, 2007, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

For those Americans that somehow have not gotten the message, please before more of us get killed check the following information and read what our sworn enemies are saying in their own words. Books: The Looming Tower / America Alone. Being uninformed today is putting us all at risk.

Posted by: Billv | August 15, 2007, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Name the Countries or Lands that have not been effected by Muslim Nutcases…I can think of just one…The Falkland Islands.

Posted by: James | August 15, 2007, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

The liberals think it’s a neo-con ploy, and the Muslims think it stereotypes Muslims.
Why not actually check the facts and decide then? How’s that for an idea?
If the report is accurate, what will liberals and Muslims have to say?

Posted by: West | August 15, 2007, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

viewfromoutside… your a MORON…OBL wasn’t trained by CIA. he had nothing to do with the CIA, His family had a constuction company, he used his equitment to help with with war against Russa… maybe you should learn some history, instead of watching Reality shows, like the biggest Loser….

Posted by: Freddie | August 15, 2007, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Wait until the ACLU hears about this.

Posted by: Ani | August 15, 2007, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Oh please. To blame religion is like saying guns kill people. It’s idiot behind the gun that kills people. If they didn’t have a gun it would be something else.
A religion is as fallible as its interpretation of a Devine Creator. The interpretations are as many as those that have an interpretation that satisfies or justifies one’s own appetite. None of which comprehends the “Unknown God”. The one that many refuse or are unable to comprehend because it detracts from where their heart is, their own God. One’s own God is what they value most; money, pleasure, pain, indulgence, subjugation, and on and on. There is no atheist that does not have their own God. They do not call it God but that is what their heart is set upon. So blame religion because of the foolishness of men for religion is not the Devine Creator. To rationalize the ways of the Devine Creator is fallible because of our limited desire and interpretation of his ways and purpose.

Posted by: lorax_mbell | August 15, 2007, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

Ever notice when the enemy attacks or threatens us, idiot people from our own country blame someone else; Pres. Bush, Chernoff, Vice Pres. Cheny, Karl Rove, etc., etc. People wake up we are not the enemy. They are. Let us stick together. Why don’t we cool the extremists in the U.S. with their inciting to riot. You don’t yell fire in a theater. Again, lets stick together and stop the hate.

Posted by: Leonard M. | August 15, 2007, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

SAK, it sounds like you have all the answers: “The West” is to blame for everyone else’s problems, because we “looted” all of those places and “left them in shambles.” Let me guess: you voted for Kerry. Anyway, one of the standards to which I try to hold myself is to never open my mouth if I don’t know what I’m talking about. You may want to look into it. You may also want to do some research on global political, societal, cultural and economic development. If you can get past your ridiculous opinions, you may actually encounter some historical facts. These facts will hopefully facilitate analysis.
Once you’ve finished your global history lesson, you may want to look a bit further than the NYT or MSNBC for your news and current events. For starters: if you want to talk about the looting of natural resources, you need look no further than the Chinese. You won’t hear about it on the news, but what they are doing in Africa, the Middle East and South America makes everything else look like a freaking birthday party.
But then again, that might take some work, and I don’t get the feeling you’re into that kind of thing.

Posted by: Open your eyes | August 15, 2007, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Folks, stop the BS and cut to the quick. Pick up your Bible (if you have one) and open to Jeremiah, chapter 25. Start on verse 15 and continue through verse 38.
And may God have mercy on our souls!

Posted by: Leroy | August 15, 2007, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

*ALL* religions incite violence. There’s no such thing as a “peaceful religion”. When you’re told that your beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong, the natural outcome is to try to kill or convert anyone who believes different.

Posted by: Mike | August 15, 2007, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

One more thing – I wish that those that won’t to destroy America, would see all the times America comes to the aid of so many in around the world. After the tsunami, America was there with troops to help with aid, food, medical attention, etc. When there are hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, wars, or any other problem – the world’s newspapers are full of calls for the US to come help. America is called on to help with diplomacy efforts in every major crisis, money whenever it’s needed and all of this world wide. Seldom do you ever hear a phrase like, “Iran, would you help the victims in Sudan?” The world benefits from America over and over again. We come to the aid of all.
Students will be back soon – at our dept in our university – nearly 70% are from the middle east. If they hate us so much, why do them come here for their education?
So many questions – I’m starting to think we should be like Switzerland.

Posted by: annie | August 15, 2007, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

Attention republicans, take a look at all the silly comments posted below! This is why lib’s continuesly lose elections.

Posted by: Rob | August 15, 2007, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

This is war. If these radicals are going to come to our country and threaten us, then it’s time to take their sorry tail ends and ship them back to their uncivilized lands. We’re not going to take any more of their crap and the LIBERALS can just get over it or they can join the terrorists.

Posted by: New Yorker | August 15, 2007, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

I am always amazed at the unpatriotic audacity of our American Islamic groups and organizations to vocally and viciously defend these miscreants. Compare their behavior to our German, Italian, and yes our Japanese American citizens in WWII. An example, the Japanese-American 100th and 442nd Infantry that distinguished themselves in the mountains of Italy.
My father served as an Infantryman in a WWII unit drawn from the Northeast and he made many new friends from the Italian and German American communities of New York and New Jersey. He has told me “I NEVER ONCE DOUBTED THE LOYALTY TO AMERICA OF ANY OF THEM.”
They were a Band of Brothers… can we say the same today?

Posted by: Alec | August 15, 2007, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

American liberals are brainwashed beyond belief. They know nothing about history and only focus on feel-good propaganda. I have never met a more hypocritical group of people. What will it take for them to wake up? If we don’t all work together to stop the Islamic monsters then the liberals are doomed (because I know most Republicans can defend them selves). On another note, the Muslim extremists would not have anything without the support of Russia and China.

Posted by: EMC | August 15, 2007, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

To New Yorker:
You wrote: If these radicals are going to come to our country and threaten us, then it’s time to take their sorry tail ends and ship them back to their uncivilized lands.
Maybe you should read the article. These are HOME GROWN terrorists, meaning terrorists FROM HERE.

Posted by: Doug | August 15, 2007, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

There have been over 9000 terrorist attacks world wide since 9/11…
How many were by Timothy McVeighs or some anti abortion nut? How many innocent civilans have been purposely killed by Hindus, Buddists, Christians, Jewish or Atheists. With just a little reasoning it should be apparent that the vast majority of these acts are being committed unfortunately by people of the Muslim faith. I wish it were not that way… But we must not keep our heads in the sand regardless of our political persuasion. The terrorist does not care who they kill…

Posted by: Billv | August 15, 2007, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

“Benny Franky” and other liberals like to misquote Ben Franklin. What Franklin said is that “those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase a little TEMPORARY Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” [emphasis mine.]
The United States is a far cry form becoming a “police state” despite what leftist whiners want to claim; to say otherwise exposes either their ignorance of history and actual police states, their paranoid fanatacism, or both. Yes, there have been slight abridgements of our liberties, but frankly I don’t consider the freedom to place untapped phonecalls to foreign terrorists an inalienable right. Neither am I overly concerned about the supposed “Constitutional rights” of enemy combatants who are not US citizens, not physically in the United States (Guantanimo is in Cuba), and not entitled to Geneva Convention POW status due to the definitions of “lawful combatant” found in those very documents.
OK, we get it, you hate the President. But hamstringing him just because he’s of a different political party endangers ALL Americans, not just us eee-vile Republicans. A little common sense would go a long way.

Posted by: p3orion | August 15, 2007, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

Generalization, this is why we Americans are consider so dumb because we generalize and we believe all what our government tells us.

Posted by: Susan | August 15, 2007, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Derek get your facts straight, it is true that you swear an oath as you stated but that does not give the right for the US military to act as a police force in the US. Technically Posse Comitatus does not totally prevent the military from operating with in the US. If you have served your country you would know that the US Military is not trained as a domestic police force and has only be used on few occasions to assist local authorities at times. For a good read on Posse Comitatus check out the homelandsecurity website.

Posted by: Mike D | August 15, 2007, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Derek get your facts straight, it is true that you swear an oath as you stated but that does not give the right for the US military to act as a police force in the US.
Technically Posse Comitatus does not totally prevent the military from operating with in the US. If you have served your country you would know that the US Military is not trained as a domestic police force and has only be used on few occasions to assist local authorities at times. For a good read on Posse Comitatus check out the homelandsecurity website.

Posted by: Mike D | August 15, 2007, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

“*ALL* religions incite violence. There’s no such thing as a “peaceful religion”. When you’re told that your beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong, the natural outcome is to try to kill or convert anyone who believes different.”
Frankly, Mike, you’re an idiot if you cannot discern the difference between an attempt to peacefully convert someone through persuasion, and coercive conversion through violence. Perhaps all religions are equally odious to you, but I defy you to show me (in the last 200 years, say) a Christian cutting off the head of someone because they wouldn’t convert, a Buddhist blowing up a market because the people there weren’t Buddhist (or the correct version of Buddhism), a group of armed Mormans wiping out the nearest non-Mormon town… You get the picture. I’m not saying Christians (Buddhists, Mormons, etc.) have never committed atrocities, but rarely in modern times has any religious group (other than Muslims) attempted to justify such actions on religious terms, and never has such an an atrocity received the official sanction of religious authorities. If Timothy McVeigh had attempted to justify his actions as somehow demanded by his faith, the reaction by Christian ministers would have been swift and vehement. This is in marked contrast to the silence or equivocation that greets most Muslim barbarities.
There are hundreds of millions of good, civilized, peace-loving Muslims in the world, but until they overcome their fear and clean their own house, and bring the violent elements of their religion into the 21st century (or at least the 18th century?) it is at least as cowardly for non-Muslims to treat their beliefs on equal terms.

Posted by: p3orion | August 15, 2007, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Part of the current problem is the classification of terrorist has been left an open definition and war was declared on an idiology, religion in all walks of life is guilty for bringing war, has been this way for thousands of years, when you look at the potential to create loss of life and/or property, you find mislead belief, things of this nature are manipulated by sites like this, we have our very own version of a home grown wacky muslim gang too, it is called ‘MS13′ and they are in several countries, becomming more organized and more dangerous, maybe one day they will rival the gov’t on those plains.
The root of the problem is a lesson we all failed to learn over thousands of years as a species, it is staring you in the face, and will lead to a radical change in the food chain on earth if we continue to evade the lesson. It is the pursuit of wealth and power. Monitary systems inspire greed and corruption, it all runs down hill from there. Truth be told, civilization is not civil, religion is not Godly or God like, when money or control is valued more than human life or that which is required to sustain human life, for that reason, our species will fail.
Over time we have all in one way or another cast a blind eye to the future over the gains we might enjoy today, in short you/we sell out the future of our children for the short term, there is no other direction with that pattern in place for civilization to go but down, and no easy way out, and definetly not a profitable one.

Posted by: Anon | August 15, 2007, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

This is so scary, but some of the comments are even scarier. On what group will we focus our hatred next? Where will we build the really big concentration camps once the “dark prisons” are full?

Posted by: Jeanie Straub | August 15, 2007, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Under the Constitution WE have the right to keep and bear arms, if they are here and want to try anything they will be gunned down by law abiding citizens. WOLVERINES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Red Dawn | August 15, 2007, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

oh wow. now when I see this kind of tabloid headline, I know it is Brian Ross. Used to be Gertz from Washington Times.

Posted by: john | August 15, 2007, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

Posted by: Susan | Aug 15, 2007 4:34:49 PM
So what do you mean with that??

Posted by: Just Another One ASHAMED of Humanity | August 15, 2007, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

I am more afraid of the American Christians who have commented on this story than I am of all the Muslims in the world. They have no power but to destroy themselves while trying to attack us in small scale terrorist attacks. You will destroy us all.

Posted by: Josh | August 15, 2007, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Susan, didn’t you just make a blunt generalization about Americans in your post above? You used “we” three times! Well, please do not include “me” in your “we”…

Posted by: Jazz | August 15, 2007, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

“There a better way to spend your time in the internet. At Geico 15 minutes can save you 15%”
Wake up guys the threat is real!!

Posted by: Celso | August 15, 2007, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Neither party has it right. And you can’t pigeon hole the democrats and say that the minute one is elected president the country will be unsafe. And its ignorant to think that republicans will keep us out of harms way just because the have an (R) next to their name. Blaming our fellow countrymen because they are “liberal” is exactly what the terrorists want and it seems to me that you “conservatives” out there are just falling into their trap. We need to shape up, work together, and figure out a solution to this problem.

Posted by: Scott | August 15, 2007, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

While the talk of terrorism continues, we have not been attacked. If al Qaeda wanted to attack us, they could do so easily. They have not attacked us because they are smart enough to know that we will self-destruct on our current path. The last time they attacked us, we got the sympathy of the civilized world, the right to retaliate, republicans and democrats actually started to cooperate toward a common cause, US citizens even bonded better and became outwardly patriotic (remember all the flags?), and America was united… Then, we invaded Iraq and you know the rest of the story. America is no longer viewed as the victim, republicans and democrats are back to the finger pointing, and Americans are fed up with the current administration. It is time for reformation of our government. The American voter needs to get smart and stop focusing on terrorism. Wake up people, our country is slipping out of our control.

Posted by: Vincent B | August 15, 2007, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

We could have ended this a long time ago, if only we had the backbone. Politically correct BS has held us back. We didn’t win WWII by worrying about collateral damage. Nail them to the wall here and abroad. Nothing against the religion…just the idiots. There are plenty of WASP idiots as well. Get the Chinese and Russians on board…wipe them off the map. Just like flicking a mosquito off your arm. Problem solved. Case closed.

Posted by: Bill | August 15, 2007, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

“Where are John Doe #1 and 2? Eh, Sandy Berger? Janet Reno?”
Andy Strassmeier, the ex German intel officer, with Federal building security access, who hung out with bombing buddies before the bombing might know. Or the middle eastern looking guys following McVeigh in their pickup as he sped up the Interstate after the bombing might know.

Posted by: Slim | August 15, 2007, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

We have no one to blame but ourselves for being too stupid, our Government have allowed this to happen under the banner called freedom of religion, my slogan to this issue is the ” When the Stupidity Strikes, The Enemy Wins”

Posted by: Sam Sayeg | August 15, 2007, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Whatever, when are you going to wake up and realize that that even terrorists like McVeigh etc. are sponsored by the members of our gov. can’t you see that they want us to start having “terrorists” here in the us? then they can go around and destroy whatever and whoever they want. nothing matters anymore, it’s too late, voting is rigged, all those that you will finally have to vote for are corrupt and part of the problem, we are merging into a north american union, and really, i would say, now is the time to move to some third world country with no natural resources worth stealing. now is the time to drop out of this stupid game. our country is now dead, and no amount of protest or voting will change the course we are on. welcome to 1984, welcome to a facsist totalitarian world empire. JUST REMEMBER, everything you hear or read in the “news” is designed for you to internalize the information, to condition your mind to the ever quickining chipping away our your soul and values.

Posted by: who cares | August 15, 2007, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

You suckers will get riled up by whatever flavor of the week threat they cook up. Keep in mind, every gov’t report about whatever is bound to end the world this week is cooked up by some yahoo with an agenda.
In 2001, more people died of complications from medical and surgical care than the 9/11 attack… Peptic ulcers were half again more deadly than 9/11. 9/11 was almost exactly on par with gall bladder disorders in terms of the death toll. Viral hepatitis killed almost twice as many people as 9/11.
Maybe it would be more cost effective (and enhance our national security since Americans are actually at dying) if we refocused our Homeland Security efforts on the dark specter of “in situ neoplasms” (which killed over four times as many people as 9/11 in 2001 alone).

Posted by: anonymous | August 15, 2007, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

I must agree with the blog Posted by: Allen Boe. From Washinton down to local county governments we continue to cultivate the very ignorance and incompetance that has gotten us to the deplorable state we now find ourselves in. We as a people need to level the playing field and set a limit on campaign advertising. It looks like the one with the most money wins. Of course fame and association contribute but there are good competant educated people out there who could make the USA a REAL POWER AGAIN!

Posted by: MG | August 15, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

Okay, once again, blah, blah blah, Bush, blah blah blah Cheney blah blah blah Clinton…..get over yourselves people. I am a dyed in the wool conservative, but one thing struck me as I read this article; it was this line ‘who are on a path that could lead to homegrown terror’.
That could be anyone, at anytime- looking frustrated while standing in the airport lines, being angry in traffic, questioning your latest electric bill. That line, ‘who are on a path that could lead to homegrown terror’, could apply to any of us at any given time in the course of a regular days events.

Posted by: JB | August 15, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

I’m from the UK. Al Queda are supposed to be this huge multinational powerful organisation with tentacles around the globe, yet all they have managed to do this year is to crash a Jeep into the doors of Glasgow airport killing one of them and injuring the other. Big deal! Meanwhile, 100,000 people have died of lung cancer from smoking and 50,000 have died on the roads in auto accidents.
So where are we focusing our attention? On a pretty much non-existant threat being blown out of proportion by politicians who need to keep the people under control. “Just trust us – we’ll protect you”. I’m actually more terrified of what the U.S. will do next. Iran? Syria? God help us.
Reading this column and getting a feel for how many Americans think, I can only conclude that the politician’s plans to cower a nation with propoganda has worked superbly.

Posted by: Tom | August 15, 2007, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

Terrorists in the United States. There have been terrorist cells in the United States for over twenty years. Harper’s magazine published a map showing the locality of these cells several years ago.
At that time the map showed well over 400 different cells. They did not call them terrorist cells at the time. They were cells with activists disatisfied with the policies of the United States Government.
We have gone beyond the point of control. Like drug traffiking, we did not exercise tough policies soon enough.
Now, it is beyond control. Most arrests for drugs is for money, not control. For drug traffikers it is laughable.

Posted by: Bob8435 | August 15, 2007, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Has anyone else questioned the Muslims buying up all our small town hotels and convenience stores? I’m serious…what are they doing living in these hotels? They don’t go to our grocery stores and their children are not in our schools. What is going on…? It is scary.

Posted by: smalltown | August 15, 2007, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Hey JB from the UK, That’s right. There isn’t a problem of home grown Radical Islam in England. Didn’t the intelligence community coin the Phrase “Londonistan” for a reason?. Your home grown boys didn’t blow up your subways? Didn’t many of the key 911 planers base out of London? In fact, the English elite have appeased these people and looked the other way while radical Mullahs have incited sedition against your government through extreme hate speech against the west. However, like most progressive societies, England has denied themselves a logical response to this threat because of the dominant multi-cultural / PC attitudes that dominate your institutions.
“yet all they have managed to do this year is to crash a Jeep into the doors of Glasgow airport killing one of them and injuring the other. Big deal! Meanwhile, 100,000 people have died of lung cancer from smoking and 50,000 have died on the roads in auto accidents.”
Can we just agree that radical Islam is a global phenomenon that we need to address right now because one of these days, instead of a jeep crashing, they may get it right and kill us in significant numbers? Or are you of the mind set that these things just happen and it isn’t worth addressing? If so, your pathetic.

Posted by: David | August 15, 2007, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

is 7-11 headquarters for the next 911?

Posted by: Politically Incorrect | August 15, 2007, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

Where are those so called”American” muslims? Why aren’t they denoucing their fellow muslims? I am so tired of hearing the president say that he is trying to protect us yet he won’t close those borders. They have no ideal who is in here. We need to get rid of all the politicians and start anew with REAL civil servants. They are all corrupt. That is why we are in this mess.

Posted by: LU | August 15, 2007, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

Tell you what, let’s just kill EVERYBODY who doesn’t look like us, think like us, talk like us, dress like us…EVERYBODY who thinks for themselves, everybody who follows a different religion, who votes differently from us, who speaks out, speaks up or speaks in favor of reason, balance, harmony, and creating peaceful interaction.
That should make the three survivors happy.

Posted by: DAM | August 15, 2007, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

What are you people so scared of? The nasty terrorists that you have never encountered since 9/11? (questionable if it even was islamic radicalist, and im not here to argue that point, please do your own research)
What a story! Some Islams might attack their own country to ‘terrorize’ everyone. (hasn’t this always been a possiblity with any nutcase?)
No, they’re not attacking us because our country is in Iraq and destroying theirs. We are failing in Iraq. We can’t even provide their people with food, water, or electricity, and I fear that we’ll leave it worse then before. Something that’s actually quite convenient for the warmongers.

Posted by: tj rebel | August 15, 2007, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

I’d underline prisons in this article and take out book stores and cafe’s. I’d add college campuses to the threat category. The last terrorist video I saw was an american I went to school with “Taliban Joe”. I gave him that nickname. Should have messed him up in the bathroom when I had the chance.

Posted by: Shane | August 15, 2007, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

Eric, you are an IDIOT. We were going to be fighting them here anyways, and you know it. Maybe you should convert so they kill you last, eh?

Posted by: JimBan | August 15, 2007, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

All religions are radical at some time or another. It’s a phase-but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight it. Money, as usual, is the answer. There are too many poor angry men in Islamic countries, and we should improve our image with them, and trade. Remember, they’ve got oil.
Bring back the FREE market in the Middle East.

Posted by: personperson | August 15, 2007, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

cant we all just get along?

Posted by: rory | August 15, 2007, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Oh my, most of you people need to read some Orwell, open your eyes and try and save what is left of your civil liberties. Most people outside the great USA now recognize 9/11 to be an inside job perpetrated by elements within the US government. Wake up, without 9/11, there would be no war of terra. Oh yeah, it might all have something to do with oil…so keep driving eh!

Posted by: Scary | August 15, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

The longer I live,the more deeply I am convinced that that which makes the difference between one man and another–between the weak and the pewerful, the great and the insignificant–is energy, invincible determination, a purpose once formed and then death or victory.–Powell Buxton

Posted by: anna | August 15, 2007, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

Holy cow, some of you have been completely brainwashed. If you have time to comment you have time to take a closer look at what happened to WT7 on 9/11 and well…I am sure you can figure the rest out by yourself!

Posted by: Pablo Escobar | August 15, 2007, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

Really, this is a scary time. We were attacked on 9-11 and I’m sure it will happen or be tried again.
I don’t know much about the muslim religion, other than so many areas that have large populations of people of muslim faith have wars that have continued for thousands of years – long before America was formed. I don’t hear muslim groups saying loudly throughout the world that they denounce the actions of suicide bombers, terrorist, etc. who base their beliefs on their muslim faith. Why has the middle east been no more than a blood bath for thousands of years – with the world’s wealthiest people sitting on their oil wells, while their fellow citizens are slaughtered? I wish I could understand. Why don’t all the muslims in the world reject the actions of the most brutal people. Why won’t the people of Iraq stand up for themselves – if not for themselves, then for their future generations?
All mothers love their children, children love their parents. Around the world kids make friends from schools or playgrounds. Notice someday that children of all races can be in a room together (it happens in America all the time) and play together happily. Where do they learn the brutality and hate – how does it continue? Jimmy Carter suggested talks as the solution – I would agree, because obviously there’s a communication problem with these religions.

Posted by: Annie | August 15, 2007, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

So many are writing blaming the government for the mess – we ARE the government. Not all Americans vote – only a percentage even go to the polls. And the people who are elected carry a great burden of responsibility – or should. Do we, the voters, get a report card on our elected representitives? Why can’t something be published every year, showing each vote held and the vote of each elected person? How about attendance – do they even show up for the vote? Some don’t. How about spending bills that are packed with extras that aren’t even related to the issues at hand? Can we know who did that?
My children get a report card or mid term report every 6 weeks – why don’t we voters get that? This is OUR country and our politicians are supposed to be speaking the voice of their constituants, right? What happened with all of that? We need to demand accountability.

Posted by: Annie | August 15, 2007, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

“I am more afraid of the American Christians who have commented on this story than I am of all the Muslims in the world.”
Are you really that stupid?
You fear Christians whose holy book tells them to “love they neighbor as thyself” rather than the terrorist who easily cuts the head off of his enemy the infidel.

Posted by: milford421 | August 15, 2007, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

From reading alot of the comments on this article it seems as though most americans are paranoid loonies.
The biggest threat to your country is probably your own delusional fantasies of impending doom.

Posted by: DwFw | August 15, 2007, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

I know of terrorist and want to report them but the FBI would not listen to me..they are in this BIG building in DC called the Pentagon..and their master lives on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue..I wish the FBI would listen to me…would save the world millions of lives…he is intent on more bombings and more killings..he even believes that God speaks to him..just like Bin Laden…

Posted by: Riad Hamad | August 15, 2007, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

If they’ve identified 24 “clusters” of men, then these men should be unceremoniously kicked out of the country. Period.

Posted by: Phil | August 16, 2007, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Most of these comments are downright frightening. I really thought most Americans were more intelligent and less prejudiced. I guess I was REALLY wrong. If 99% of the terrorists in the world are Muslim, then what do you call a person who opens fire on students in a high school or college or church? None of them have been Muslim. I think that these types of reports play to the lowest common denominator in our society. They have given no proof of anything.
If you really want to be worried about something, hope that the bridge you have to drive across tomorrow doesn’t collapse, or that a hurricane doesn’t hit your town, or that your child doesn’t develop cancer and have her insurance cancelled. Approximately 3000 people died on 9-11. There were 29,573 deaths from handguns in the U.S. in 2001. There were 17,448 drunk driving deaths in the U.S. in 2001. Approximately 725,000 children were reported missing in 2001, and that was a decrease from 2000. What we should really fear in this country are ourselves.

Posted by: dgra123 | August 16, 2007, 12:57 am 12:57 am

let one muslim step up and declare that the koran doesnt specifically say to kills jews and infidels. this is the reason for terrorism. not us policy.
there are many disenfranchised and neglected people on the planet, but they dont teach their children to be suicide killers and then praise them and hand out candy when they go through with it!
islamic fundamentalism is a genocidal cult and the sooner the western world fully faces up to it and destroys it completely the better for us all!

Posted by: jk | August 16, 2007, 1:25 am 1:25 am

Like an earlier poster said (Bill 2:59PM) who is not fighting these muslim nutcases.. this is a GLOBAL THREAT.

Posted by: coolblue | August 16, 2007, 1:40 am 1:40 am

For those of you considering Hillary Clinton as Commander in Chief, here’s a refresher on the legacy of the first Clinton presidency: 1993 World Trade Center bombing in New York,the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania bombed in 1998, USS Cole attacked in October 2000. Bill’s response to this buildup of terrorism: cut the military by 20%. Another Clinton presidency would be a national security disaster.

Posted by: Jan | August 16, 2007, 2:03 am 2:03 am

The biggest problem I have with President Bush and this Congress are as follows:
This thing with giving any type of amnesty to illegal aliens makes me sick at my stomach. Look at all the other people around the world who want to come to this country and are trying to do it legally. Some of these honest people have been waiting in a real waiting line for American Citizenship for up to 20 years.
The proper way to handle this problem is not build a temporary fence that will fall down in a few years, but build a permanent concrete wall as high as needed to keep these Illegal Aliens from entering our country at will. I know all these people in favor of amnesty say that a wall will not keep these Illegal Aliens out, but it sure works great around our prisons. I’m starting to wonder if the American President and Congress really want what best for our country and the real American people. We are talking about some really serious stuff here.
I wonder what these same people in favor of amnesty and against a permanent concrete wall along our south border will say when someone walks a weapon of mass destruction into the USA via Mexico and activates it in one of our large cities and kills a million Americans. I promise you this is going to happen if we don’t start taking our borders more seriously and stop playing politics. We are in a real war with terrorist around the world and we better wakeup to this fact.

Posted by: Jim Brown | August 16, 2007, 5:07 am 5:07 am

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Ben Franklin
Posted by: Isaac | Aug 15, 2007 2:07:58 PM
I think when Ben Franklin made this statement the worst thing we had to fear was a flintlock or maybe a rusty axe. I’m sure he could never have envisioned a time when homegrown enemies detonating a dirty bomb could possibly kill tens of thousands of citizens with one act.
So I wonder what comments he would be making today…

Posted by: Dommie | August 16, 2007, 6:35 am 6:35 am

If 99% of the terrorists in the world are Muslim, then what do you call a person who opens fire on students in a high school or college or church?
Most crazies who go on shooting rampages aren’t shouting “Jesus is great!” as they mow down the innocents.
Comparing lunatic and disturbed American teens to radical extremist Muslims who are killing in the NAME of their religion to advance their ideological cause of a worldwide Islamic Caliphate, is just pure ignorance.

Posted by: Dommie | August 16, 2007, 6:46 am 6:46 am

We have a real challenge in the United States with radical Islamic terrorists who are here to kill us. How do we know? They have repeatedly told us what they are going to do. Google the article, Terrorists teaming with drug cartels, The Washington Times, by Sara A. Carter, August 8, 2007. In her article she referances a 2005 confidential DEA report, “Islamic extremists embedded in the United States — posing as Hispanic nationals — are partnering with violent Mexican drug gangs to finance terror networks in the Middle East, according to a Drug Enforcement Administration report.” She continues, “These terrorist groups, or sleeper cells, include people who speak Arabic, Spanish and Hebrew and, for the most part, arouse no suspicion in their communities.”
To further complicate the issue, Peter Brown, terrorism and security consultant, stated that the “biggest element” to the DEA report is the ease with which terrorist cells have taken on new identities. Radical Muslim terrorists have long been crossing the border. A El Paso, Texas, law-enforcement report documents the influx of “approximately 20 Arab persons a week utilizing the Travis County Court in Austin to change their names and driver’s licenses from Arabic to Hispanic surnames” Ms. Carter reports.

Posted by: TopAssistant | August 16, 2007, 6:58 am 6:58 am

Who was the last non-Muslim terrorist? Remember that Timothy McVeigh received assistance from Muslim extremists on how to construct the truck bomb.
The vast majority of Muslims are not violent/suicidal. However, an even larger percentage of terrorists are Muslims. It seems that even violence is prevalent with at least 1 side of almost every conflict containing Muslims.
Do we need to check 90-year old budhist grandma’s at the airport? I don’t think so until we hear of a case where they are involved in at least 1 terrorist activity. Profiling can be an effective tool that I think should be used. Do not deny anyone their rights, but recognize potential risk/cost benifits in your analysis.

Posted by: Pete | August 16, 2007, 7:36 am 7:36 am

A wise man once said, “turn the other cheek”.
A wise book once stated “thou shalt not kill”.
I don’t recall it saying anything like “thugh shalt not kill unless they try to kill you first.”
Its sad that with so many Christians in this country, so few seem to remember that Jesus was a pascifist.

Posted by: Dawn | August 16, 2007, 7:53 am 7:53 am

The Quran DOESN’T say to specifically kill Christians and Jews. The Quran DOESN’T say to kill anyone. Why not try actually reading the Quran instead of just parroting what other haters say it says. You might actually learn something, like Muslims believe in Abraham, Moses, Noah, Lot and all of the Prophets. That we believe that Jesus was born of virgin Mary and was a great Prophet and teacher. That the Quran says: To murder one man is like murdering all of humanity, to save the life of one man is like saving all of humanity.
The Quran is much less violent than the Old Testament and New Testaments. But try finding that out for yourselves, for a change.

Posted by: dgra123 | August 16, 2007, 8:46 am 8:46 am

QUOTE:
Posted by: Doug | Aug 15, 2007 9:15:39 AM
Terorism is a religious war, and religion extremism knows no geographic boundaries.
As long as we have Islamists in the US, we will have the potential for terrorism from within. The religion not only does not discourage such actions, it actually encourages them. As a religion, Islam would appear to be the most barbaric religion since the Spanish Inquisition.
___
This is really ignorant, Doug. For starters, “Terorism [sic]” as you put it has nothing to do with religion. The definition of terrorism is this:
The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
Secondly, what is an “Islamist”. I’ve never met one of those. If you are referring to someone who practices the faith of Islam, you would be referring to a Muslim.
Thirdly, if you use such words as “terorism” and “islamists” to describe other people, then I sincerely doubt that you have any real working knowledge of the Islamic faith, or any faith outside of your own, therefore when you say things like

Posted by: JW | August 16, 2007, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Islamist
Adjective:
Motivated by Islamic beliefs, particularly in the political sphere (eg a supporter of the introduction of sharia law). Relating to Islam, particularly orthodox Islam.
Noun:
A person who espouses Islamic fundamentalist beliefs.
A Muslim, particularly an orthodox Muslim.

Posted by: Jazz | August 16, 2007, 11:32 am 11:32 am

Interesting that theres no such thing as an islamist…for some reason there are definations for the word online.

Posted by: Elron Hubbard | August 16, 2007, 11:45 am 11:45 am

dgra123 – if the Quran is does not support the actions or behaviors that we see in the middle east so often on the news (beheadings, suicide bombings, etc), then why do the people committing those actions attach themselves so strongly to Islam? And why don’t mainline Muslims speak out more strongly against it?
I would like to think that the terrifying behaviors they call Jihad and they attribute to the Quran are wrong and that they are severly misguided. Sadly, it’s those Muslims that the world sees so often on the news. Hence the American fears.
Thanks for explaining the Quran – I needed to know that, as do all.
Annie

Posted by: annie | August 16, 2007, 11:47 am 11:47 am

dgra123 .. You state “That the Quran says: To murder one man is like murdering all of humanity, to save the life of one man is like saving all of humanity”
The Quran does state this, but you fail to mention the context of that statement. Did the infidels benefit from this text? Weren’t the infidels given three choices: Convert, Leave or Stay and become a second class citizen as a non-believer? In fact those that stayed were at the mercy of the Muslims and were either: taxed, enslaved or killed. Aren’t there Muslims emulating this example today? What about the Angry Mullahs who are currently inciting hate against the West? Is the orthodox practice of Islam tolerant? If it is to kill humanity by killing one man than the spread of Islam is inconstant with the Quran.

Posted by: Ted | August 16, 2007, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

JW … Our society is denied a logical response to situations like this because of PC / Multi-cultural sentiments that prevent us from have a serious discussion because someone may be offended. Having said that, you stated the following:
“The definition of terrorism is this: The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce esp. for political purposes.”
Islam from the beginning had a political motive … politics and the spread of Islam go hand in hand. Politics and Islam are omni-present today. And when the tribes in Mecca and Medina rejected Mohamed as the “last profit”, he went to war with them. I wonder what Jesus would have done? Many of the atrocities we see on TV that emanate from the Middle East have roots in what Mohamed and his followers did in 600 AD. If you doubt that this is a war of cultures waged by the radical elements in Islam than you need to pay attention. Please tell me the Radical Mullahs who incite violence against the west are really not Muslims and are not saying these things in the name of Allah.

Posted by: Ben | August 16, 2007, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Actually, Dawn, the “wise book” to which you refer stated “Thou shalt not MURDER.” It’s been widely mistranslated and misinterpreted.
Wouldn’t you perceive a difference between killing someone who attacks your family (defense) and killing someone just because you disagree with him (murder)? I would hope so.
And for the morons who think terrorism has nothing to do with religion, try explaining your theory to someone in Northern Ireland.

Posted by: Greg8898 | August 16, 2007, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

You are being lied to, people.

Posted by: Abu al-Aboogie | August 16, 2007, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Jon, you sound like the rest of the brainwashed bushies. Can’t you think of any other phrases to use besides that old, tired one this administation uses to scare the wits out of uninformed Americans? Take your last stand with this administration Jon and pray there is a solution to what they have caused here and around the world. Don’t kid yourself, if things ever got bad enough here (take for instance like Iraq) our military would be very much engaged. They do not engage in local matters, riots, dangerous protests, etc.

Posted by: Ron | August 16, 2007, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

You’ve got something on your nose, Abu…

Posted by: Greg8898 | August 16, 2007, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

Dhimmis and ostriches (as well as active and passive supporters of terrorism) will continue to deny until the next attack comes. Ignorance is bliss only insofar as reality doesn’t intervene.
“‘At some point our collective heads will come up out of the sand, probably by the force of an explosion; and we’ll stand, mouths agape like so many fish out of water, trying to comprehend a situation we’ve done our best to ignore.’ — Anonymous, 2005″

Posted by: Always On Watch | August 16, 2007, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

I agree that mistakes were made in securing the peace in Iraq. However, it is interesting that at the same time many have already written off Iraq, Petraous’ counter insurgency plan is working very well in Ramadi in the Anbar province. What was once out of control a year ago is now moving in the right direction in Ramadi. The tactics have changed, but more importantly the Sunni locals are working with the Iraqi government and the U.S. military to turn in Al Qaeda who is trying to incite a civil war. The people are fed up with the terrorists and have come on board. Say all you want about a political solution, but a grass roots movement by the Iraqis is even better. We are no way out of the woods because of this development, but it is a significant development all the same. I am hoping that those on the political left in our country aren’t so invested in seeing us loose in Iraq that they can’t see this as a positive development. Oh, and for those that think we have been fighting an “Iraqi” insurgency is mistaken as the full story hasn’t been reported. As early as the battle for Falusia, foreign elements have been fighting us in Iraqi streets. Up to 18 countries were represented in the force we battled in Falusia and included: criminals, Islamists, Islamo fascists, foreign fighters, Chechen terrorists, Al Qiada and of course the Bathists that we removed from power. That isn’t a grass roots insurgency.

Posted by: Ben | August 16, 2007, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

The surest way to stop terrorism is to ensure that no one is disenfranchised I.E good jobs adequate housing, equal treatment and RESPECT. Take the hate and cause away from people and terrorism will die a natural death.

Posted by: claude westervelt | August 16, 2007, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

Fundamentalist Americans, not Christians set off the OK city bomb. They understood that the current government will not return to constitutional government. That was a crime of frustration. Islamists want to destroy all that is Western, all that is liberated. They want to keep our women at home and our daughters out of school. Freedom of thought is unconscionable. It is sharia, or death.
If you think President Bush is encroaching on your freedoms, imagine that times a million. That is how repressive Islamic regimes are. How’d you like to be imprisoned and tortured for speaking your mind? THAT’S WHAT THESE ISLAMISTS DO! Look at Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, look at how these countries are (or were in the case of Iraq) run.
Disenfrancisement is not the problem. Heck, Osama was a millionaire times over. They hate us because they see us as debauched, immoral, and unGodly. Oh, and that we are not Muslim. They seek to extend the “caliphate” until Islam is the only religion left. They seek, as all religions do, world domination. It’s just that now only one religion seeks this by coercion of terror at the muzzle of a rifle or threat of a bomb. Christians seek to convert by persuasion of the soul, a peaceful method. No guns, no bombs. The Crusades are over. That was a mistake and we realize that. Now we make women equal participants in household decisions and regard them as equals in political decisions. Do you think Hillary could run for president in a Muslim country? Heck no, she’d probably be stoned to death for trying.
Be happy that you live in a (semi) free country. And feel free to exercise your second amendment rights to defend this country from Islamists. After all that’s what the founding fathers were intending. Anybody see “Red Dawn?”
That’s what America is all about
screeb

Posted by: screeb | August 16, 2007, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

I’d very much like to know if this was a published (for public consumption)document and if so, has it been officially released yet? Otherwise, I suppose we’ll just have to wait until someone manages to post a copy…

Posted by: craig | August 17, 2007, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

your posts… they make america look like a land of goons who deserve what they get.

Posted by: gagmewithaspoon | August 17, 2007, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

The Quran DOES NOT advocate killing anyone. You can say that it does all that you want, but that doesn’t make it true.
There are numerous mainstream Muslims speaking out against terror. They just don’t get the airplay that the crazies who do horrific acts do. As far as why people say they are committing these acts in the name of Islam, I don’t know. Perhaps some of them believe they are, much like Christians who commit horrific acts: Jim Jones, the Branch Davidians, etc… When Christians do these things, no one expects other Christians to come forward and apologise for them, they just accept they are are not following the true teachings of Christ.
As a Muslim I don’t understand why I am expected to apologise for the acts of people who are clearly not following my religion, nor have anything to do with me. I have never hurt anyone, nor do I condone such behavior. As far as 9-11, I was as much a victim as every other American. Muslims died in the Twin Towers, Muslims are dying now as U.S. soldiers.

Posted by: dgra123 | August 18, 2007, 12:45 am 12:45 am

“Christians seek to convert by persuasion of the soul, a peaceful method. No guns, no bombs.”
Is that why a Christian President, who says he has conversations with God, attacked Iraq to convert them to democracy?

Posted by: dgra123 | August 18, 2007, 12:48 am 12:48 am

I am glad they are doing a study like this. There is no need to use kid gloves when dealing with people who are found to be sympathizers with Al Qaeda either.
-stuart

Posted by: political forum | August 18, 2007, 12:50 am 12:50 am

Terrorists are terrorists not because they are muslim…it’s because they are misled individuals filled with rage by their environment and political circumstances. Islam does not preach hatred and for those who think it does should educate themselves before spewing hate themselves. These terrorsits are politically motivated and many happen to be muslim because unfortunately there is a lot of injustice occuring in the predominantly muslim middle east at the hands of currupt, repressive governments and by Israel. By stereotyping Islam and violent we are as ignorant and hateful as the terrorist we’re trying to fight. I am skeptical about the NYPD report because it doesn’t provide concrete evidence that supports it’s conclusion. It only provides assumptions and insinuations about political dissenters who happen to also be Muslim. I fear we’re becoming an intolerant, ignorant, hate-filled country just like the ones we’re trying to fight. It’s un-American to be such a country and we should fight terrorism by attacking it’s source which is injustice, poverty, and hopelessness…not by attacking Islam, a religion which promotes peace, and it’s followers.

Posted by: Steve | August 18, 2007, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

all of you need to realize that our generation will be the suffering ones due to the complete outsourcing of the republic that used to be the United States of America. we have let our defenses down in search of the almighty dollar, & we will all pay dearly for this. best to start battoning down the hatches, folks…. only the informed, educated, prepared ones will weather the next series of storms heading our way.

Posted by: mychal | August 18, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

“Wouldn’t you perceive a difference between killing someone who attacks your family (defense) and killing someone just because you disagree with him (murder)? I would hope so.”
Then by this criteria Iraqis fighting the U.S. military in Iraq is completely justified.
I think that U.S. policies in the Middle East and the way the U.S. government has manipulated and backed regimes there is responsible for how some people there feel about us. To continue to deny this is to continue to disregard reality.
Muslims have been around for 1400+ years and the Middle East has been around even longer. It wasn’t until oil was discovered and the Western world started laying claim to that oil and attempting to put or keep leaders in power that would allow us access to the oil that we started having problems with Arabs.
Before the 1950′s there were no terrorist threats against the U.S. from the Middle East. If it is true that Islam has always wanted to kill or convert non-Muslims, then why not before then? Why wasn’t there a persistent ongoing campaign against anyone non-Muslim? There are many Muslim countries within reach of Europe. Why weren’t they waging a constant holy war?
The current situation has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics. The sooner people here realise this and force our government to rethink it’s current policies, the sooner we will be rid of this mess.

Posted by: dgra123 | August 18, 2007, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Maybe there are terroris cells, or maybe the authorities are just keeping the fear machine going. You americans are so nice and compliant when you’re scared of the nasty foreigners. Oh please, Big Brother, take away my rights and protect me from the highly improbable chance that I might be a victim! Ever drive a car? Fear that instead.

Posted by: me | August 19, 2007, 11:55 am 11:55 am

pretty much everything anti-republican is now subject to being PUT ON THE LIST of homegrown terrorists so is it any shock and awe to you that the MAINSCREAM press waddled into their lair?????

Posted by: daddy | August 20, 2007, 9:35 am 9:35 am

Homegrown Muslim terrorists!? What do they have to be angry about? They can marry each other, they can serve openly in the military without having their lives ruined, they can adopt children, they can get fair and equal treatment in child custody hearings and not have their children taken from them just for being a Muslim, they don’t have books about them ripped from library shelves, they don’t have the Pope, religious figures, and politicians denouncing and persecuting them on a daily basis, etc. If any group in America has the right to resort to violence to protect themselves and stop oppression, it’s homosexuals.

Posted by: informedone | August 20, 2007, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Most of these posts are pure emotional drivel (but its a free country with first amendment rights)!!
The report has to do with small groups of young Muslim males who are becoming increasingly radicalized. Does anyone remember the Lackawanna group now in prison.
Regardless of who is President, our intelligence and law enforcement folks will continue to do their jobs just as they did in putting away the Lackawanna group.

Posted by: Pete | August 20, 2007, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Well, according to this report any Muslim going to a grocery store, the butcher, a library, or a mosque should be considered suspicious. I guess since we can no longer eat, read, or pray we should feel a part of mainstream America….

Posted by: dgra123 | August 23, 2007, 8:25 am 8:25 am

No dgra123, the story does not in any way imnply that at all; you are wrong…what a silly, pointless comment…

Posted by: Jazz | August 23, 2007, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Actually Jazz, the report the article is about does not only imply but states that all of the above mentioned plus bookstores, cafes, and flop houses are areas of “radicalization”. Please see article above….

Posted by: dgra123 | August 24, 2007, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

The biggest problem I have with President Bush and this Congress are as follows:
This thing with giving any type of amnesty to illegal aliens makes me sick at my stomach. Look at all the other people around the world who want to come to this country and are trying to do it legally. Some of these honest people have been waiting in a real waiting line for American Citizenship for up to 20 years.
The proper way to handle this problem is not build a temporary fence that will fall down in a few years, but build a permanent concrete wall as high as needed and top it off with RAZOR WIRE to keep these Illegal Aliens from entering our country at will. I know all these people in favor of amnesty say that a wall will not keep these Illegal Aliens out, but it sure works great around our prisons. I’m starting to wonder if the American President and Congress really want what best for our country and the real American people. We are talking about some really serious stuff here.
I wonder what these same people in favor of amnesty and against a permanent concrete wall along our south border will say when someone walks a weapon of mass destruction into the USA via Mexico and activates it in one of our large cities and kills a million Americans. I promise you this is going to happen if we don’t start taking our borders more seriously and stop playing politics. We are in a real war with terrorist around the world and we better wakeup to this fact.
I’ll tell you how stupid the American president and congress really are. If someone really does walk a weapon of mass destruction into America via the Mexican border, they may try to activate it in Washington D.C. and kill all the people at the very top of our government. The very people that could build a concrete wall on our southern border are the same people who are at the greatest risk and they still are not in favor of this wall.

Posted by: Jim Brown | August 25, 2007, 6:52 am 6:52 am

If we compare how many americans death because of terrorist (9/11) and war (vietnam, korea, Iraq, Afghanistan) than we find that administrator policies are more frightful than terrorism acts.

Posted by: jangkrikkaspo | August 26, 2007, 3:24 am 3:24 am

You people are crazy. No Muslims had decision-making responsibility for 9/11. Wake up. 9/11 was an inside job and the “war on terrorism” is bogus.
There is no war on terrorism and no threat to national security save what the false-flag operators directed by the White House perpetrate on America (e.g., anthrax).
The bogus terror alerts are simply to rattle your chains and get you back into line.
The media won’t report any of this. Why should they with owners like G.E. and Saudi princes?

Posted by: Steve | August 29, 2007, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Can’t we just deport the 9/11 conspiracy morons like Steve? And lock up the knuckle-dragging racists and fill their jobs with some hard working immigrants who appreciate the benefits of living in a multi-cultural society.
Then maybe we can elect a government that remembers the Constitution is there to protect us from the inevitable abuses of power by tinpot dictators like Bush/Cheney and Clinton/Clinton.

Posted by: L. Katz | August 30, 2007, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

I’m a Muslim living in India and I’m APPALLED at the glaring political illiteracy of Americans. For the average US citizen the world ends at American borders. My family is full of world reknown experts in various fields. But my family has now committed to have nothing to do with US because of their racist and ill-informed attitude. 4000 people died on Sep 11 – THOUSANDS die every year because you chose to be lead by someone who gives a damn for your health, but doesn’t mind killing 600,000 Iraqi’s. Americans used to be looked at with respect even during the 90′s. You’ve lost it all.
Remember this, the next century belongs to China and India. Those who can’t learn to live with other people don’t deserve to live respectably and reap benefits from other peoples.
AND – I condemn Osama along with his aides and those who sympathize with him, IN LINE WITH Islamic ethic.

Posted by: Flexible Cogito | September 9, 2007, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

With regard to Europe’s “immigration problem”, please remember that many European nations colonized Asia and Africa for many years, depleted resources, and ruined the economy, the culture and society in general of these nations. The so-called problem that now exists is very much a result of the imperialism that failed. Do not blame the immigrants for wanting to leave a country that was ruined by their former colonizers.

Posted by: ummie | September 10, 2007, 8:54 am 8:54 am

Homegrown terrorists? Where is the war on gangs? Oh yes, that’s right … until this serious problem creeps into white middle and upper class neighborhoods, it will not be as serious as it really is.

Posted by: ummie | September 10, 2007, 8:57 am 8:57 am

This was a country who knew how to take care of itself abd I emphasize ITSELF – My suggestion to our politicians at the time of Sept 11 was to “round up” all “foreigners from the ARAB countries and put them in a Camp as was done when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. No response was made to me from any source I had written my suggestion to. Is it too late now, are their too many already in this country? I believe we should at least give this a flying change before it is too late. I do not feel safe in my own country anymore and I am sick to death of preferential given to these people. It is time for Americans to take back our country by whatever means necessary and to elect politicians whose agenda is to take care of America first and then look “around” at who needs our help and bucks. Now this is backward get it working RIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY.

Posted by: Jodi Jones | December 3, 2007, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

Did any of you people remember that the Bushies were too busy clearing brush on the ranch when the urgent message came in about al Qaeda, planes, attacks, hijack before 9/11? Hey, it happened on their watch! Why keep on blaming the liberals and everyone else??

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