How the CIA Broke the 9/11 Attacks Mastermind

So the “Mastermind of 9/11″ felt humiliated? Boo hoo.

Thanks for the propoganda justifying torture,ABC lap-dogs.

Who give a crap about how he attained the “Disheveled” appearance. He’s going down and that’s all there is to it.

So the Mastermind of 9/11– which killed thousands– felt “humiliated?” Boo hoo.

Why should be worry about Human Rights with this terrorists. -Do they care about the human rights of their victims ???. If a red haired woman presence was able to make him talk, put a red haired woman to interrogate each and all this criminals…They relinquished their human rights by acting against society.

Notice how the left never mentions the capture of this man? This guy was probably more important than the formerly alive, now dead, fake videos wanna be tupac/biggie, bin laden, but the left chants, “6 yrs later, no bin laden.” First of all it’s been 14 yrs, obl first attacked 2/26/93. Second of all, he attacked throughout the 1990s, but of course the left dates it 9/11 when Bush took office as if that’s when the problem began.
And, if it was up to the left, we probably a) wouldn’t have captured this guy and b) wouldn’t have the information we gathered from him, which led to many thwarted attacks.
The left’s obsession with Bush has clouded their minds so much they’re missing the greatest battle in America’s history like Europe slept amidst Hitler.

He is a terrorist, he is evil, and someone has a problem with a little waterboard torture and a bad picture? What the heck is wrong with people? Doesn’t 9/11 live in anyones memory anymore? It makes me sick to think that our government can’t do what it needs to do without some bleeding heart having a fit. How would that bleeding heart feel if this guy killed his/her, mother, father, brother, sister child? Why is this a story?

So what is Richard Esposito trying to say in the last two paragraphs of this story? It was somehow wrong for the CIA to mess-up KSM’s hair and untuck his shirt? Perhaps we should have dressed him up in a tuxedo with a top hat? Additionally, I do not see any quotes from people with other views on the so-called torture of waterboarding. This article, like everything else on this website, is tilted against America. Contrary to the simpletons that work for the democrat party (and the substantial majority of the U.S. media), you don’t fight (and win) the war on terror under Robert’s Rules of Order. You fight any way you can to secure the safety and security of our nation.

Whoever wrote this should perhaps tell us what water-board is. In Minnesota, this is something people pull behind a boat and it is great fun. I have no idea what it means in the context of this article.

LaDonna, we could have be-headed him. We could kill all who don’t have the same religion as we do. I don’t think we qualify as terrorists for trying to get a “mastermind of 9/11″ to talk. Anything we did to him was to good for him. Why defend this scumbags rights when he would kill you and me in a second for being American?

If one terrorist has to suffer in order to save hundreds of innocent people from dying, I am all for it. Why does a person that has vowed to give his life to killing innocent people deserve any rights?? Would they be so kind to show any of us the same compassion? Ask Mr Pearl.

I’m proud of America after reading this. I hope they continue to torture him. He should suffer

So!If it hasn’t already, when will this waterboarding torture technique enter the jail and prison systems in America? You know, some prison guard or jailer, at some point, will feel just a wee bit too excited and powerful then try this on some American victim. By now, y’all know how Americans can become euphoric over these matters.

Why was this story titled “Shame and Propaganda” on the homepage? Whose shame and whose propaganda? That title makes no sense with this story.
Since we’ll never know whether KSM would have spilled without waterboarding then we’ll just have to err on the side of caution and assume not. Also, I don’t find the idea of “waterboarding” particularly torturous. This is why so few respect these so-called human rights groups. They run around calling EVERYTHING “torture” and “human rights violations” so no one even takes them seriously anymore. I totally respect our soldiers and CIA agents doing the dirty work so I can sit on my *%$ and write a post on a blog no one will ever read. This country is full of whiny spoiled brats–that is SHAMEFUL!

Besides the fact that it is morally reprehensible, torture is rarely used because the information gotten is unreliable. A nation that bases it’s strategies on information gotten through torture is doomed to failed strategies.

Waterboarding consists of immobilizing an individual and pouring water over his or her face to simulate drowning. Waterboarding has been used to obtain information, coerce confessions, and also to punish, and/or intimidate. However, it is also used in some military training. It elicits the gag reflex, and can make the subject believe his or her death is imminent while not causing permanent physical damage.
Some legal experts, and recently Sen. John McCain, regard waterboarding as a form of torture,[1][2][3] specifically water torture. “The threat of imminent death” is one of the legal definitions of torture under U.S. law.[4] Additionally the United Nations Convention Against Torture prohibits the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering.[5][6] In November 2005, anonymous sources told ABC News that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency uses waterboarding as an interrogation technique, but does not deem it torture.[7] CIA Inspector General John L. Helgerson said the techniques “appeared to constitute cruel and degrading treatment under the [Geneva] convention.”[8]

jrog, are you 100% certain that America doesn’t “behead” its enemies? That Americans DON’T kill others for their religious beliefs? You must have missed out on America’s History classes.

What about the torture Daniel Pearl endured?? What about the terror/torture those people felt when they looked up from their desks drinking their coffee and getting ready to start their day when the plane was coming right at them?? And we have to feel bad? He is still alive!! Daniel Pearl is not, nor are those people who where on the planes and in the buildings. Give me a break!

Ray, Jrog, Sid – You are endangering the lives of soldiers by your mock- right winged bravado. Remember, your words are read on the internet. Bush did the same thing, (bring them on). The big people in the government are the soldiers who do the actual shooting. Torturing a defensless person is not defensible.
Message – don’t write checks with your mouth that your body can’t cash. You wanna fight, join the Army. Take all the republicans kids in ritzy colleges and let them get a taste of it too.

“…me ashamed of America. …in fact we are terrorists. How sad.”
Let me reassure you LaDonna, you’re not a terrorist, just a “useful idiot” for the Islamists. How sad.

For those of you hwo do not know, water boarding involves strapping a person to an inclined board, with his feet raised and his head lowered. The interrogators bind the person’s arms and legs so he can’t move at all, and they cover his face. In some descriptions, the person is gagged, and some sort of cloth covers his nose and mouth; in others, his face is wrapped in cellophane. The interrogator then repeatedly pours water onto the person’s face. Depending on the exact setup, the water may or may not actually get into the person’s mouth and nose; but the physical experience of being underneath a wave of water seems to be secondary to the psychological experience. The person’s mind believes he is drowning, and his gag reflex kicks in as if he were choking on all that water falling on his face.
Big deal…scaring them into thinking he’s going to drown sounds like a brilliant idea. smashing his head against a boulder until his brains fall out – THAT’s torture…peeing on him, I dunno…maybe combining waterboarding with peeing on him would work better…

The enemy is alway disgusting and evil…. And it doesn’t mater what side of the fence your standing on.
But up until this war, we’ve always held the higher moral highground and our enemies hated that. It made it harder to win against us because those on our side felt pride in this and fought for this ideal.
Now we’re no different than our enemies. So those in the world community who haven’t taken sides only pick sides now out of convenience.
So is it any wonder that in the world polls, GWB is considered a greater threat to world peace than OBL.
We have hit a new low and all we say to justify this is, “We’re not as bad as our enemies.” …. No we’re every bit as bad, it’s just that that we only hear one side of the propaganda. And when we start to hear the other side, it’s always those damn liberals.

I posted over 20 minutes ago so where’s my post? Stop censoring people or pick up the pace already.
This story is the propaganda. KSM was captured while sleeping. He was not dapper ever but glad to know you find him so attractive. Most people don’t look so hot when captured while unconscious. Check your sources and we’ll be awaiting your retraction.

Just imagine what we’d find out about voter fraud, obstruction of justice, election rigging and such if we were to waterboard Rove and Gonzales.
Don’t think the destruction of American democracy is a national securtity issue? Think again. What happens if the next (Dem) president decides that it IS a national security issue?
So, yeah. Waterboard away. But don’t stop with foreign enemies. Use it on the enemies of democracy within our borders!
It’s not so cute when the shoe is on the other foot, is it?

The more terrorists that get tortured, the better!!!

The reason it takes a while for the post to appear is that the owners of this site need time to edit what you say.

I’ve already left a comment but i just wanted to point out – We are supposed to be better than torturers. We are supposed to rise above the heinous and senseless things they do to innocent people, not continue those actions in the name of revenge. Surely you must agree with me. Otherwise, how can you call yourself an American? How can anyone say “if you don’t like it, get out”? These are not the ideals upon which this country was founded nor are they the ideals that our veterans fought and died for. We must overcome the indignities and cruelties of torture and learn what we need to know from these prisoners without becoming terrorists ourselves.
FYI – Dishevelling prisoners has been a technique used for decades to cause confusion and loss of coordination, thereby inducing the person to “fess up.” I personally do not view this as propaganda or shameful (whereas torture is shameful). It’s psychological and therefore you can’t force anyone to act on that – whereas with PAIN, you can, making it reprehensible.

So, waterboarding fans, if our soldiers are captured and made to endure similar treatment simply because we do it as well will you be the first to scream bloody murder?

My country is bragging about torturing somebody? Calling the tortured wimpish because they gave in after two minutes of torture? My father must be rolling over in his grave.

So if this guy ran a truck full of explosives into a bunch of people that would be ok? People are mad that we waterboarded him? How sick can these people that are mad about this be, they would rather see there own americans killed then hear about this guy getting water boarded, No wonder were called cowards now

If torture works, lets use it instead of the criminal justice system we spend so much on today. We could make a lot of unemployed lawyers by simply getting people to talk with torture. Unclog our overworked court system! If it works, why reserve it for terrorists only?

I am a left- wing Democrat through and through, but I have trouble feeling empathy for this scum.

Jeez, ABC. What the $#%% is wrong with you???!! What a wierd pro-torture article. Just talking over a cup of tea after waterboarding . . .!

And, did he also admit to helping put Jesus on the cross or lighting the fires in the concentration camps? Who wouldn’t admit to anything and everything to stop the torture? I certainly would and I suspect Bush/ Cheney et al would too, if they could stop crying.

It is truly unfortunate that so many Americans are under the impression that the United States has been an angel in international relations. The US, Great Britain, France, Germany, etc., have all been colonialists for centuries, forcing their form of religion and government on Africa and other lands with the intent to steal and manage their resources, and teaching the leaders of these countries to torture and disrespect their own people. Now that those terrible leaders — the Shah, Noreiga, Saddam, etc., are either in or under prisons, or dead, other leaders have taken their places — leaders with long memories, who — no better than the Colonialists who abused them — are taking their revenge. I don’t like what’s happening any more than other Americans. But, I am happy not to be so ignorant as to think that what goes around only comes around to others and never us.

Hey Dan, have you ever noticed what happens to any of our soldiers they capture?
If KSM no longer has any useful info to extract he should be taken out back and summarily executed. He is not a military captive, he represnts no nation, he has no uniform. Most of these terrorists should be executed on the battlefield when caught.
The world’s an ugly place. It’s not like some idealists pipe dream utopia and never will be. I wish our government would take the gloves off and deal with this problem definitively. The islamists will stop fighting when they are tired of dying. We need to make a lot more of them die. Why are their imams safe for example. We should be blowing them up here and there during Friday prayers, to give them a taste of their own tactics too.
Ever read the Koran? Why are our hate laws not applied to this book. Islam itself should be outlawed as a hate crime.

AB: Your assertion that “by doing the same back to them, we become them” is absurd and emblematic of the kind of kumbaya thinking that makes the terrorists marvel at the inability of many Americans to accept the reality of their evil intentions towards our country.
We’re not anything like the terrorists, irrespective of whether or not we use torture to obtain the information we need to spare innocent lives.

Very interesting discussion from some very passionate people. I would argue that too many (from both sides) let their passions run too high. I agree that torture is something that the US should not be a part of. Going back to WWII, we didn’t treat our prisoners the same as Germany or Japan (starvation and beating if not outright killing) because it simply wasn’t the right thing to do. An interesting case in point is that the Germans slaughtered many of the Russian civilians that they came across on the drive to Moscow. Those acts helped turn the tide in Russia’s favor because the people would no longer surrender but fought harder, and the Russians revisited all those things back on the German people on their drive to Berlin. It seems to me that being involved in torture is a slippery slope.
On the other hand, I have an extremely hard time seeing waterboarding as torture since I endured it myself during my training. I guess you can argue that I knew it was training, so my mindset was different going in. Very unpleasant sensation, and I don’t recommend it. Overall, I think we do ourselves more harm than good when we resort to these tactics because no matter how you dress it up the court of world opinion will go against you….no I didn’t vote for John Kerry, but when you’re looking for Allies in the war on terror you’re not helping yourself.
One other thing I noticed in many of these posts are that many of you have your facts wrong and seem to be saying things out of a deeper hatred for either the right or the left….politics really should have nothing to do with this. Quick example for the person who said Bush leaked information about our intelligence services gaining information from cell phones, you need to read the article again

Unbelievable that so many people are taking this story at face value. ABC publishes it, so it must be the truth. You think if he held out a month, a week, 6 weeks, you’d hear about how “tough” he was…
After the WMD, and vast numbers of “foreign” fighters in Iraq (mostly Saudi, which is never reported), you people ARE SO GULLIBLE!!!!!

LaDonna is going to be the death of America!!! She is ashamed of America for what?? Not killing this guy with a dull knife as he did Daniel Pearl?? Is she ashamed of us for treating women with respect? Is she ashamed that she can worship any religion, or none, if she so choses? How did we get so damn soft? Hillary attacks the best General and asks to “suspend disbelief” to believe there is progress in Iraq and Kusinich goes on SYRIAN TELEVISION to explain how our “occupation” of Iraq was illegal and these idiots want to be elected?? We should shred these weaklings to the bone over this and they should at least be made to withdraw their candidacy for the office of the President because they will have to call their top General a liar and our military WILL NOT GO FOR THAT AND NEITHER WILL AMERICA!!! Hillary is a damn joke!!!

I am going to take a completely different direction. I just heard of the deadly earthquakes in Indonesia – I am always awestruck by the power of Mother Nature. When I read this crap about torture, war, Iraq, Muslim terrorists, whatever, I just imagine Mother Nature laughing till she feels like crying… What the bleep are these guys doing with all this ego trips, superiority complexes etc. She could just finish it all in one twinkling of her eye.
I say, let us live in peace, live with love, and forget our massive egos. At least let us live with some humility.. Remember, Mother Nature is watching…
Anyway, just a side-note. Back to the usual crap…

there has to be a tape, they have to review what he has said so it has to be recorded. i wanna see it. “thetruth” you’re exactly right.

I’m all for whatever is needed including but not limited to torturing or if necessary killing every single terrorist in order to procure information that COULD save even just 1 American life. As far as I’m concerned the information this man had or didn’t have is irrelevant, provided the opportunity to save American lives existed. Even suggesting that what was done to this man was wrong when it could save the lives of your families or your neighbors is what’s wrong with America today. And I wouldn’t mind labeling that “Patriotic-terrorism”

If dunking a guy in water is going to save lives, isn’t it worth it?

ITS NOT LIKE WE DRAGGED HIM ON THE STREETS AND CUT HIS HEAD OFF IN FRONT OF A CROWD OF PEOPLE. WATERBOARD AWAY I SAY!!!!!

The point is that if one of our soldiers is captured by the enemy and they just happen to torture him/her, then what moral ground do we have to stand on to complain about. Remember Black Hawk down in Somalia…we complained about that, did we not? Remember in the early days of this war of agression in Iraq, when members of our administration and media were screaming “Geneva convention, Geneva convention.”
That’s why we don’t do torture. We are supposed to be better than them and if the point is to prove that we are better, then we better act like it. The way some of us want to beat up on the bad guys makes me wonder if we are really any different.

Waterboarding? Come on! At different times we have put our own troops through this “torture” in E & E (Escape & Evasion) courses. Sawing someone’s head off slowly while they gurgle fearfully is torture. Peeling someone’s face off with piano wire is torture. Attaching electrodes to one’s genitals is torture. Gimme a break. We are arrayed against evil people who have no regard for life or niceties of the Geneva Convention.

Anyone who believes in torture as a legitimate law enforcement tool should remember: You, your children, wife and pets can and should be subjected to torture if it serves to protect the almighty “state.”
Apparently, it only matters that we have lowered ourselves to torture to support our “free” society. But what happens when you become the enemy of the state?
I feel real sorry for all the helpful neocon idiots that are all for torturing the “bad guys.”
The point of this to me is the fact that the USA has lowered itself to torture as an alleged “intellegence” tool.
We are SO screwed.

I am sure that water boarding works. You Far left loonies are so rediculous that it actually hurts me that you are American. Do you not think that when they start to talk that they are not also under a voice stress analizer? Where do you communists come up with this crap. When the true Americans have had enough of all your bull, just remeber that you hippie, tree hugging, gun banning, word banning lunitics will have Hillary’s skirt to hide unde to save you. Opps….Never mind…Hillary doesn’t wear skirts and she will be far gone out of this contry will all of her illegal donations.

Oh, forgot to add that the torturer knows that torture does not work of course. They are counting on that to get a confession. They don’t want the truth; they just want want a confession.
Torture is the tool of dictators and fascists.

That sounds like some real high value intelligence. It appears to me the CIA is now attempting to gloss over the fact they murdered people they interrogated with their gentle techniques.
And, the CIA appears to assume the information he provided was factual, although it appears to be useless.
The Bush administration and the CIA is a total disgrace to civilized people everywhere.

I personally do not like the use of torture but in this case I believe it was necessary to save many lives. This man along with others did for more to people such as beheading, slitting throats and such not only to Americans but to others. I along with many others do not not a repeat of the events that occurred on September 11, 2001. If it will help than by all means use a red-headed woman or whatever color.

Just one problem with this story: The right-wing crowd and war-criminal apologists like Dershowitz have defended torture as justified to stop future attacks. Even the ABC reporter posting this story seemed to miss that the torture recounted here was used to get confessions for past deeds, not stop future attacks. Which means the neo-fascist traitors destroying our country have lost even their diseased rationalization for their war criminal behavior. The worm is turning, and it’s soon going to be time to dump the right-wing trash.

First, KSM should be waterboarded as should many other terrorists. I disagree that waterboarding constitutes torture but am willing to admit how some might construe it as such. However, it should be noted that questioning and analysis don’t occur in a vacuum and it is highly unlikely that the claims of waterboarded terrorists will be taken as gospel. Rather, confessions are likely to be compared and contrasted against other confessions and within the context of what we do know. In this manner, the veracity of information derived from stress-induced cooperation can be checked and coroborated.
The inclussion of a woman to induce humiliation is fine as well, if the process works. I suspect that over time and with experience techniques become fine tuned. Morover, specialists are able to refine techniques based on the specific subject.
Interagators have difficult jobs and deal with some very bad people but it is probably a bit simplistic to assume that these folks are imbeciles using a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get answers.
The nation has a right to get answers from some very bad people who seek to do us harm or in the case of KSM, we already knew he was responsible for heinous acts. The question comes down to what is the most efficient way to get those answers and within what context are techiques permissable.
Given the absolute lack of civility and barbarity of KSM and his lot, the potential loss of innocent life and the insular nature of terrorist cells, I think waterboarding is totally justifiable as a means of coercion.
I find it curious to read comments made by those who point to a supposed glorious past in which our high moral principles would never have permitted torture. Under this logic, this war or GWB has induced some sort of supposed moral decline. I suggest that these folks consider the fire bombing of Tokyo in WWII, the bombing of Dresden, the detonation of 2 nuclear bombs in Japan and a whole host of other events as evidence of the widespread use of mass killings of civillians as a means to coerce our enemies. It should also be noted that in previous wars we executed spies and saboteurs.
I’m not passing judgement on those past events but merely using them to dispel the myth of a supposed golden era of high moral character in which sweetness and light ruled the day and the rough handedness of interagators was replaced with mild interviewing techniques.
Lastly, to the person who likens the unfortunate deaths of civillians that occurs in war to the planned mass murder of innocents as simply another form of terrorism….you’re simply wrong. Your statement that it depends on who is getting killed is simple sophistry and does not take into account intent. Modern jurisprudence takes intent into account on a daily basis.

We should be waterboarding any terrorist we come across to get information. If you are a terrorist you have no rights. It’s not torture. Sawing someones head off with a knife is torture, people jumping from 30 stories up from a high rise (WTC) to get away from the heat & smoke to their certain death is torture, hijacking a plane to slam it into buildings is torture. We need to do whatever it takes to get the terrorists to spill their guts, their is no wrong way to go about it.

Waterboarding isn’t torture. There’s no damage to the subject.
How you leftists can even care about the psychological discomfort of a man like this is beyond all reason. He personally murdered Daniel Pearl! He’s a control-freakish antisemitic piece of human debris, who would gladly do the same to you and your ‘enlightened’ friends, and you have the abject stupidity to defend him?
Do you realize that is he had his way, you would be dead? DEAD! You leftists are either incredibly naive, demon possessed or stupid.

There is a time and a place for everything. “torture” does not work if you walk around torturing everyone willy nilly. we know that. But there are times it is justified. Notice he held out not because he was being “tortured” but because he was humiliated that a “woman” was there. NOT doing it is not showing the world how we are a bastion of goodness… they just view it as weakness and they thrive off of that. I spent 10 months with terrorists in Iraq. We must pull not punches because they will not. You just have to have restraint as to know when and whom to punch.

After waterboarding this terrorist admitted he murdered Daniel Pearl. A crime where a former English Public Schoolboy has already been sentenced to death after admitting he killed Daniel Pearl.
They both can’t have killed Daniel Pearl by beheading him (done by an individual watch the videotape). So are you still convinced torture works?
This bloke knows he is dead already, why not admit to everything put to you so as to allow the real perpertrators to continue sowing mayhem. Torture does not work.

TO: Bill Arney
Do you really think when the founding fathers framed the Constitution that they envisioned the types of autrocities that would be happening now? Do you not think that they would have agreed to defend this country against all enemies?
It wasn’t the founding fathers who passed laws against “Cruel and Unusual” punishments. It was the liberal left. The founding fathers were for a swift and tough justice. They lived in a time of public hangings and when people would be shot on site for treason, and a prison sentence was a hell on earth. Not the comfy holiday inn behind barb wire that are todays norms.
When you try to cry about the Constitution and what the founding fathers would or would not do, remember that they would have dealt with this guy much differently. Much more harshly.
What I have to say is that people never picked on the tough kid on the block for fear of getting their butt kicked. They did go after the weak kids because bullies are bullies. These terrorists are bullies.
All of the bullies in history respected strength. Russia, Hitler, and Japan didn’t respect weakness. That’s why we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Our strength and determination was why Japan and Germany surrendered.
We’re not going to win a war against radical islamists by acting like a bunch of little girls. We either defend ourselves or we surrender to them.
And to all who say they are ashamed of the way America is fighting this “War”, you are welcomed to leave. France, I’m sure, would welcome you. But for the rest of us, I’m not ashamed. I’m proud that we’re showing that we aren’t going to act like the liberal left wants us to. And if the terrorists decide to follow suit and treat their captors with the same degree of force … thank God. Right now they skin you alive, cut off fingers, toes, arms, and legs. Castrations are common. Beheadings, rapes, and a thousand more things that are really torturous are common.
Please treat us the same way we treat you.
David

LaDonna – don’t speak for me; I’m an American and I’m not a terrorist. And Dan, terrorists don’t waterboard and let you live; they slit your throat and watch you die.

When those folks from al Queda come calling they won’t care if you are CIA or CYA.

Human Rights pertains to humans; he doesn’t qualify.

You know America is finished when 40% of the American people (Marxists) aline themselves with islamofascists because they both have one thing in common, the hatred of George Bush.

BOOOOO HOOOO. Torture? I think he needed much worse done to him. To all the people that say this is inhumane how about when he beheaded innocent people? How about the whole war? Get over it. He should have gotten alot worse. He is a P.O.S..

It might seem bad and if it was done to me, I’m sure that I would not like it but to compare that to terrorism and terrorists is not even realistic. They could, would and do kill people without batting an eye.

It’s called Mental torture. If his mouth is gagged and his head is lower than his feet, when it induces the gag reflex, what stops him from chocking to death on his own vomit?
For all of you that condone this, because it does go against the Geneva convention, what will you say when they do worse to ours? Will you have the right to be outraged? I don’t think so.

Do whatever it takes to stop these murderers. I’m 100% for torture if that’s what it takes!

If we are to win this war it will end the same way all wars are ended. That is: the supporting population will FEEL DEFEATED. So far, this has not happened because we have avoided attacking the population centers as we did in WWII. Remember Dresden, Hiroshima ETC? That’s how we will win this war too. “No stone left standing upon another.”

It is clear that there are fewer and fewer people in our midst that have the resolve and commitment to enter into a conflict and win a decisive victory for the cause that is just and right.
The enemy for which bleeding hearts are crying is a coward who uses the cover of innocent, unwilling, men women and children to launch their freedom fight. They lack the courage to take their fight to a battle front from which victory can be swiftly and decisively determined. It doesn’t matter where they hail the tactics are the same, terrorize the innocent for the sake of a most misguided cause. I pity anyone who would defend such behavior.

I am amused at all the hoopla being made over “waterboarding” this terrorist. I withstood far more “torture” just to graduate from Marine Corps Boot Camp. What most civilians don’t seem to understand is that war is always a bloody messy business. It has only one morally redeeming quality: it ends the agression that started the war, and frequently, those who have withstood belligerant acts by other Nations for long times before finally resolving to end it with war, winning.
That is the only morally redeeming quality war has, but there is nothing in human experience that can equal it in its effects. That is why we still have war even after twenty thousand years of the weak trying to restrain the strong against stealing the fruits of their labor.
The only time real “peace” has ever been achieved has been when a Nation or a City/State has reached the end of its capacity to tolerate the intrusions, and declares war to end it. The war either secures those who were being victimized, and provides them with the capacity to pass on their society to the next generation, or the war-mongers win, and another entity becomes a part of that budding empire and adopts the social customs of those who won.
No peace has ever been achieved by diplomacy, only what the Arabs call a “hudna” can be had that way. This “little peace” is described in Muslim terms as being a non-binding truce taken for the purpose of restocking and resupplying necessities, so victory can be achieved. In this, the Arab culture is more honest than our western culture, because they openly declare that it is only temporary, and while they may prevaricate before cameras, they do not deny their intent to re-start the war, the moment they see themselves as ready to win. The west does nothing different except, we pretend that the intent is for peace, even knowing that it can only be a temporary reprieve, and force will be the end tool resolving the issue, at the end of the day. The palestinians have said they will restrain themselves, and the Israelis call it a truce, but the palestinians openly declare they will return to their work of war the moment they feel success is within reach, while the Israeli officials state that this “hudna” is the first step towards a “real and last peace”, as if their enemy did not just, moments prior, declare that it is for nothing but resupply and re-arming.
If you want peace, prepare for war! That was the understanding of Sun Tzu a thousand years ago, and nothing has happened in the ensuing years to suggest any different effect. Despite despising our very existence, Totalitarian Russia and her vassal states did not attack the U.S. because they understood that we were ready and willing to give two for every one we took. That is the only reason we had a “cold war”, had the same mealy-mouthed “diplomats” been in charge during those years, we probably would have found out what post nuclear war worlds look like. I never saw a bully run away on the school yard because a gang of four eyed “nerds” gathered together to confront said bully, and force his retreat with words. Every time I saw two or more “victims” attempt to make a stand, the bully always smacked one, and any others immediately ran for cover. Bullies back down from force that they see as real, and believe is overwhelming. Nothing less has ever stopped such a minded person.
John

Yeah, to all of you arm-chair psychologists…”oh, torture doesn’t work that’s why the US doesn’t torture people…” yet another story of how it worked marvelously in the case of KSM.
As I’ve said before, every individual is different and thus, may respond to different stimuli in different ways. In the case of KSM, he responded positively to torture. In the case of another terrorist, perhaps they won’t. This idea that it never works is as simplistic and ludicrous as the idea that all men, women and children yearn for freedom.
Moreover, the idea that the US doesn’t engage in it is even more fanciful. Just because you don’t define it as torture doesn’t mean it’s not torture. This doublespeak is as insulting as the disingenuous announcement that we can bring some of the troops home from Iraq because conditions on the ground have gotten better.
Personally, I support the use of torture (if necessary) on combatants that don’t fall under Geneva or the US Constitution. Obviously, such as practice has political consequences not only domestically, but internationally. Frankly, I’d be willing to accept those consequences if the practice is absolutely necessary and has a chance to acquire the needed information.

Poor Khalid…poor baby. The moral high grounders should ask which is worst…waterboarding or having your head sawed off like Richard Perl. These people are bloody-handed terrorists who have absolutely no qualms about murdering, maiming, and torturing any innocent who balks at converting to their “religion of peace.” If interrogating this sorry, murdering pig saved just one innocent life, it was worth it. He should be grateful he’s still breathing and capable of having tea, rather than having his dismembered carcass thrown into a pit in the Nevada desert.

Readers remember this: ABC says that KSM divulged all his info over a tender “CUP OF TEA”!!!
ABC is trying to make U.S. look like the animals here!
Smarten up America, don’t be pacifists.

To those who wring their hands and weep new-age tears over the ugly business that guards our security, I say: You are sheep, waiting to be slaughtered, and if it were up to you, we’d all end up dead. You should drop to your knees and thank the God that many of you doubt, for the sheepdogs among you that allow you to continue breathing the air you use to spout your leftist nonsense.

The FBI today was sired by J Edgar Hoover and if they do not change, tough for them. The Cia went south(cocaine countries) and fell for the money and the effect easily. Now that the CIA has opposing factions, I say let them destroy each other and then the winner takes out Hoovers FBI…sound like fun?????

That’s ok. I wasn’t using my civil liberties anyway.

Let us be serious about waterboarding. I went to the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) School in Rangely, ME in 1972. THis school included a highly realistic Eastern European style POW camp in which trainess were detained, and exposed to a variety of interrogation techniques, to the limit of not be able to inflict actual injuries… being confined to “The Box,” being physically manhandled during interrogations, prolonged sleep deprivation, and water-boarding.
Waterboarding does indeed generate a gag and panic reaction – the first time you are exposed to it. Once you realize what is happening, you simply hold your breath as long as you can. That is all. If they can continue past your point of endurance, you inhale as best you can, gag, gasp, and try to wait it out again. It in fact was a very ineffective technique, and in our debriefs we were told that all forms of torture were very unreliable ways to gain accurate information.
The most effective means was the “guy with the cup of tea.” THey called it the “soft sell,” and believe it or not, especially combined with sleep deprivation, it was extremely effective in extracting information from even the most close-mouthed John Wayne types, many of whom could not recall what they said!

Susan wrote: “SUZAN | Sep 14, 2007 9:33:32 AM
It’s called Mental torture. If his mouth is gagged and his head is lower than his feet, when it induces the gag reflex, what stops him from chocking to death on his own vomit? For all of you that condone this, because it does go against the Geneva convention, what will you say when they do worse to ours? Will you have the right to be outraged? I don’t think so.”
You mean as opposed to how humanely they treat captured prisoners now? Let’s see… sawing off a man’s head what looks like a large steak knife as he screamed in terror and agony… yeah, we’re gonna REALLY provoke them now!
Wake up Susan. Get out of your fantasyland and understand the enemy we are dealing with. They are WORSE than the Nazis, simply because these nuts embrace death. They are true totalitarians. KSM’s fingers weren’t cut off. He wasn’t whipped. He was GAGGED. Oh Heaven forbid. Tell me Susan, how would *you* get information from this guy? Wait until over some unknown time period you eventually broke him down by continually asking him for his name, rank and serial number? And how many INNOCENT Americans would have died during your prolonged, humane treatment of a sadistic killer?
THAT is what’s immoral here. Immoral and mortally stupid.

For those who are complaining that they do not know what waterboarding is or wondering why KSM was humiliated because a woman was in the room should do some research and try to at least partially understand what is happening in your world. Ignorant comments about the author not explaining this to them shows just how disengaged the left is with what is happening today. Being a simpleton will only get you killed.

When we become as evil as the alleged enemy, wherein is the justification? Surely, if innocent Americans were subjected to this hideous treatment, would they not confess to to anything?
It is no wonder that Bush, and America, is hated by all the world. 911 was an inside job, so this continuing torture–of persons not responsible–will bring down the wrath of Almighty God upon our heads. We are responsible for the evils that we fail to resist. We are doomed!

Waterboarding, a torture? All you losers who are “ashamed” of our country for pouring some water on a terrorists face, you’re crazy. You guys must not have lost someone dear on 9/11 or any other terrorist attack for that matter. Because if you had, you would be proud of your country for making a terrorist squirm.

Sadly to all you people crying about torturing an admitted mass murderer just remember – sometimes we must become like out enemies to defeat them.
Mo

waterBoarding. Very humaine Treatment to obtain information..What you Idiots dont understand is how americans are treated at there Hands.

Waterboarding is coercion, not torture. Any means of extracting information that does not kill or permanently damage the subject physically should be fair game.
That said, it is true that if used indiscriminately, it is not efficient. It yields false information that the subject believes that the interrogator wants to hear.
Under our system, professionals that conduct these interrogations are fully trained and competent to discern the best method of extraction and should be allowed to do the job.

These animals make no bones about it, they want to kill MILLIONS of us. Negotiating and understanding with them will only earn you their contempt and loathing. If a nuke was prepared to go off in an American city I do see the ACLU fighting the good fight to protect the rights of these animals to do it.

As a person of Jewish background, I have been forced to understand that if torture is allowed, innocents, likely many, likely innocent me(not for my background but for my outspokenness)will be tortured. Governments that torture have lost their moral compass, they have decided that they can do anything for their cause–and who knows what else they will do. Our lack of moral integrity–I’m talking about our President, his appointees, and his party–has undermined our credibility around the globe. I also believe that if someone is running at you with a knife, you can do anything, yes, anything to stop that person. If I believed in this crowd’s integrity, I could understand and forgive almost anything. But our president is a self-deluded liar and self-server and his crowd is causing so much unnecessary human suffering. And was any terrorism thwarted by KSM’s confession? So what did we get?

To those who feel remorse for this cowardly animal who has committed atrocities against innocent people, perhaps you would have liked to have been in Danny Pearl’s shoes during his last moments, or the shoes of his grieving wife. General Pershing had the right idea.

I know yall think im too young to have a say in this but im still an Americanand my uncle was on one of the flights that was hijacked and crashed into the world trade center and i have an older brother in the war right now. i cant wait till im old enough to sign up for the service.when my brother first left for the war i was mad because i was all on my own but then i relized that he for my own good.Every time i say the pledge of alligence i say it with pride not only because im proud of my country but also because im proud of my brother.i want go in the marines and serve at the side of my brother and yes i relize it will take alot of work but i dont care …… whatever it takes ill do it.and so what we were cruel towards obama look at what they did to us all those inocent lives tooken.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL THOSE CHILDREN,WIVES,BROTHERS,SISTERS,MOMS AND DADS WHO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO DIED IN THE 9/11 ATTACKES OR SERVING OUR COUNTRY NOW.
AND IT ESPECIALLY GOES OUT TO OUR SOILDERS!!!!!!!!!

From the time of the 1982 attack on US Marines to one attack after another, this country turned the other cheek – being above retaliating against the terrorists – and all the terrorists learned from that was that we are weak and too cowardly to protect ourselves. They now have another view of who and what we are and that’s just fine with me. The very countries who condemn us for finally fighting back are the first ones to run to us for protection when they are threatened. Terrorists only understand strength and they despise weakness so we must never slink back to the role of “victim” again !

This is what folks are complaining about? Amazing. I find it hard to believe that we have not unleashed even harsher techniques against our enemies.

The Germans, Japanese, and even Native American tribes had better forms of torture than waterboarding. This method sound lame.

Torture? This is torture? No…drawing and quartering is torture. The rack is torture. This is nothing more than psychological and physiological trickery, all designed to make the weak-minded and weak-willed spill their guts about what their subhuman cronies are planning.
Frankly, I think we are being far too soft. As a nation, we seem to have given ourselves over the political correctness all in the hopes that people will like us. Guess what. Many people do not like us. Get over it.
We are not in a popularity contest. We are in World War 3, and more citizens of our nation need to wake up to that fact. Here in Texas, our border guards have been arresting Al-Quaeda and Hamas operatives on a semi-regular basis. They are learning Spanish and taking South American or Mexican surnames. This is war, people.
So if we need to break a few eggs, or bodies for that matter, to keep Americans safe, so be it.

And by the way, do you think that our guys aren’t going to be tortured if they are caught by terrorists? Give me a break!!! No matter what we do these animals will stick it to our guys. How about we just let the government do their job. What the world doesn’t know won’t hurt them. (or us)

There is a good chance he would have confessed even if he was innocent. And what information, except what his captors wanted to hear about him was revealed? No names? No locations? No bank accounts?
I will never again be able to look at the Nazis and the WW2 Japanese and the Spanish Inquisition and wonder why the population, and politicians stood by while atrocities happened. It has now occurred in my country and people even now are denouncing those who oppose it. Britain has lived through the IRA terrorists and the Islamic terrorists and never had to resort to these despicable actions.
Four terrorists have recently committed suicide at Guantanamo – many more tried – and the Marine Lt. Col. representing the last one said, “Who could blame him after what we’ve put him through.”
If America lost a war and there were American versions of the Nuremburg trials, there would be plenty of defendants without a prayer.

Folks, the apologetic liberal idealists who think that we did something inhuman to these demon-possessed loons HAVE NO SOLUTION. That they can get so angry about WATER-FREAKIN-BOARDING is just mind-boggling. They think that all we need to do is put them up in a prison that resembles a posh hotel and repeatedly ask them nicely what their buds are planning, and then we’ll be able to protect ourselves.
Tell me: Would you try these kind of passive tactics on a gang member who was holding a knife to your throat? What about someone threatening your wife or your child? Would you refrain from smashing their skulls in the first chance you got?
All I can say is thank God your type is not in power. You’re foolish and overly idealistic. You believe that the world runs on nice-smelling rules. You deal with reality the way you WANT it to be, not the way it IS.
Pressure and intense interrogation techniques work. Do the guys sometimes lie? Yeah. Can their confessions be corroborated? Yes! To prove my point, all I have to do is point to the 10 hijackings that were averted last year coming out of England. Do you folks who are all so outraged by water-boarding believe that you have a better way to have gotten the info in time from these cultic nut-jobs? I’d love to hear what you’d do, because any kind of pressurized technique is immoral torture, according to you.
I’d chastize you about getting your heads out of the sand or reviewing your history, but you’re gone. The only thing that would teach you the harsh lesson you need to learn would be when a low-level nuke detonates in one — or more — of our cities. But then hundreds of thousands or more would have to die before you finally wised up.

Torture is torture and killing is killing. But humans will never agree on one single aspect, including the massacare of 9/11

Of course “water-boarding” is torture, and torture is an abomination. Yet, we live in a world where there are those who seek to inflict a form of torture against our society by taking innocent lives. We also live in a society that demands a great deal from it’s government. Among the more unreasonable expectations is that of demanding the government acquire sufficient information to avert acts of terrorism directed against us. This society has attempted to place the blame for the 9/11 attack squarely on the shoulders of the intelligence community, yet we condemn them and their techniques in a sanctimonious effort to deny our own guilt in the knowledge that we would do this and much worse if it meant the safety of our own family. For my family, and for my brothers and sisters-in arms, God Forgive me, I would do much worse.

I can’t believe they call water boarding torture?
There’s no lasting effects.
No bambo under the slin, no dislocated shoulders.
“Evil people sleep peaceably in their beds at night because tenured wackademics and left-wing media sheep stand ready to make excuses on their behalf.”

This guy was more than waterboarded, he was brainwashed and told what to say. He is the confessed patsy to cover the crime of 911, committed by the Bush Illuminate, with so purpose to secure Israel,and stop the Arabs from organizing into a regional Arab Block of Nations. Israel controls MIC in the USA.

Torture; John McCain knows about Torture! He gave up Flag and Colors in lieu of his Skin; Ask the Viet Kong? Now he professes to be an American Hero! I’m a Candidate for President thats more than Bush ever did, he say!

A previous comment asks: “How many Americans can truely say they are proud of their country for this?”
I am proud of it. Proud that some among us have the guts to recognize evil and do something about it.
Torture for the sake of torture would be wrong, and torture may not work on everyone, but:
1) This is not torture; electric shock and ripping out toe nails is torture. American service members go through worse “torture” than KSM in Survival School.
2) When there is as much at stake as with KSM, we should torture if more politically correct methods do not work immediately

Boy. the KOOKs are out in force! Let us not forget, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 operation, is not dead, he was not dragged through the streets, nor was his head cut off (or was that even threatened), he was sipping tea shortly after his “ordeal” which did not leave a mark on him. poor boy.
Real torture is holding a beheading sword over ones neck on several occasions and then cutting the head off while comrades watch, chopping the body to pieces while the victim is stil alive, long deprevation of food and water, ending in death.
Wake up you Liberals, the Shiek is still with us, alive and healthy; maybe you can nomonate him as your party’s candidate for political office to appease “the rest of the world” (a very few of which gave a dman about 9/11).

Great article, Rick!

Liberal morons will be the death of all of us yet. Al Qaeda declared war on us not the other way around. Osama and his pals had their perfect twisted little paradise in Afghanistan all set up. Trading women and daughters with each other like goats and they could’ve stayed there for a 1,000 years and we could’ve cared less.
Instead they attacked us. REPEATEDLY! OVER AND OVER AGAIN. The first time they tried to blow the WTC up we turned the other cheek and Bill Clinton knowingly allowed Al Qaeda to train another 20,000 fanatics that are now all over the world attacking people in Europe, Thailand, Phillipines, Middle East, Africa. All over the world. We turned the other cheek and they attacked our embassies, our naval ships, and finally they finished the job on the WTC in 2001. Every single one of the attacks occurred on Bill Clinton’s watch when we were supposedly being nice to the terrorists and we were all just one big happy family singing coom-by-yah until the cowboy George Bush came along right?
THE STATED GOAL OF AL QAEDA IS TO MAKE THE ENTIRE WORLD LIVE UNDER ISLAMIC RULE. GET IT!!!

Here is definiton of “torture” 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. Water boarding may cause “discomfort” but not “excruciating pain”. We’re not pulling out fingernails or electricuting people; that’s cruel. The libs care more terrorists than our own citizens; of course, they hate America anyway, so we shouldn’t be surprised…..

It’s AMAZING to me how pro-torture “people” keep ignoring the fact that TORTURE DOES NOT WORK TO GET THE TRUTH.
Here you go, I put it in all caps so your brain might get it…
Torture is used to opress and to get any confession.
If the CIA torture you, you will confess to having shot JFK and Santa Claus!
But I am sure half of you are professional bloggers payed (by the neocons) to spread this propaganda; while the other half is just rednecks… which mean I am wasting my time I guess.

Wow J.D., tell us what you really mean.Yes, torture is used to get a confession. Any confession? Maybe this is your own point of view talking. If you don’t have any self discipline or any moral standards whatsovever, then yes, I guess you would confess to anything, just to make them stop. If it was real pain… if you won’t believe someone who has been through Search and Rescue Schools in the military, then you sure as heck won’t believe me. But here it is anyway: All those who have gone through this program are telling the truth. My husband was one of those who served proudly for 20 years and went through “POW Camp”. It isn’t pretty. That was in 1987. He won’t talk about it to this day with me. They didn’t hurt him, but they didn’t have to. There are more effective means to torture someone emotionally, if you know what you are doing.
If you don’t understand what people on this site who don’t agree with you are trying to say, those that still show EMPATHY for others, even those they do not know, then you never will understand it, and I won’t waste anymore of my time or energy on you.

MGS has it right, call me when theres real torture.

YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. A LITTLE WATER TORTURE, GET OVER IT. AT LEAST WE ARE NOT BEHEADING THEM LIKE THEY DO OUR PEOPLE. REMEMBER 9-11. HOW SOON PEOPLE FORGET. WELL I FOR ONE WILL NEVER FORGET. I AM AN AMERICAN AND PROUD OF IT.

Discussing these topics over a cup of tea and speaking freely? Not likely for a high ranking terrorist individual such as this; even after waterbording. This does not sound like the work of waterboarding; this sounds like the work of scopolamine…….or something more refined……perhaps without the major memory loss…
ABC-please keep up on CNN’s “Devil’s Breath” story; I believe it is a major cog in the wheel here.

Here in London al Qaeda murdered 52 people and injured hundreds travelling to work on trains and buses. A bomb was left in a local park where my kids play. Any level of torture these people are to be subjected to is justified to protect the safety of my children.

This is disgusting. How can you people condone torture, and even more so- how can you believe that this man is responsible for anything he admitted to while being tortured? There have been millions of cases in the United States and throughout the world of people admitting to crimes they did not commit because of coercion. This man should not be treated as if he has done a single thing wrong- I’m sure any of you torture proponents would admit to murder if you were being water boarded as well.
The United States is supposed to be the pinnacle of liberty and justice. We need to set an example for the world to follow. How can we possibly expect anyone or any country to follow the Geneva Convention if we do not? It’s the lives of our men that we’re laying on the line here by violating international law.

I think water boarding is okay/should be legal if used under the correct circumstances. it’s not “sick” or “disgusting” to do to someone if the information retrieved could save INNOCENT lives, directly or indirectly. yeah, if the gov starts using it freely and/or when the situation does not require something as harsh, then we got a problem. but otherwise, it’s not a bad thing.

“Why should be worry about Human Rights with this terrorists.”
People objecting to torture aren’t concerned about the terrorist; they’re concerned about us.
This guy was an actual terrorist and had real information. Most of the detainees in Abu G. and Gitmo don’t. The techniques already get used on people with little or no terrorist connections or info to disclose.
The second problem with these techniques is that they will definitely get someone to talk, they also bring out garbage intelligence. Torture someone and they will say whatever they think you want them to, whether it has anything to do with reality or not.
If it were possible, this guy should be burned alive 3000 times. It’s not and it wouldn’t help if it were; it would only be considered “glorious martrydom”.
To actually win a round in the war on terror we have to know what we’re fighting and use tactics that work. Making ourselves look desparate and stupid by torturing the wrong people and getting tons of garbage info just makes us look weak. The old system, where we couldn’t use torture in official US captivity but would *quietly* divert a few key suspects for special treatment offshore was much better. The very few real terrorists we captured could be grilled until they talked and we could truthfully (well close to) tell the world that we didn’t use torture, lessening the amount that will be used against us. We could also compare what captives said after ‘special’ techniques with what they say when they got here and figure out which was reliable.
The current system is about what you’d with for if you were fighting against the US.

Well I for one am glad I live the best country in the world, the United States of America. I would rather have one stupid terrorist suffer than have millions of Americans die. That is what we need in this country, some patriotism. Be proud you live in this free, amazing country! Go USA! (and Canada)

Have Americans relinquished their human rights by torturing people? Or by bombing Iraq into the stone age (not once, but twice now)? Or by propping up dictators all over the world (Saddam in Iraq, Pinochet in Chile, Mubarak in Egypt, Suharto in Indonesia, etc…)?
3000 dead in WTC is less than the million that have died in Iraq because of the 2003 invasion. And less than the tens of thousands tortured and killed in Chile when Pinochet came to power with US backing. And less than the hundreds of thousands that were killed in Indonesia on CIA orders. Does this mean that Chileans, Indonesians, Egyptians, Iraqis, etc… have the right to torture Americans?
Find out about your history and put things in their context. Don’t be arrogant with this attitude that one American life is sacred but thousands and millions of foreign lives are worthless and insignificant!!!

So many of you miss the point
torture is only a means of forcing someone to confess to anything whether guilty or not.
KSM did not plan or execute 9/11
he did not plant bombs in the elevator shafts that were reported by first responders. he did not bring down the second tower hit before the one that was hit first. he did not bring down building 7 later that afternoon. we will one day i hope know the true evil within our own country who really planned and executed the true crime on 9/11 and be it left or right the true victims have been the survivors in america who have sacrificed their civil liberties and given countless generations sure poverty and countless new enemies due to the actions of a few sick men who believe fear is the only way to force otherwise intelligent people into accepting unbelievable events. 9-11 was an inside job!!
buildings don’t fall in 10 seconds. the cia creates and funds most terror cells. we have so many double agents and zealots we have been following the wagging tail of a dog not the truth or anything close to it. Osama works for the carlyle group. the war mongering neo cons have you all so deceived you would torture your own mother if they said she was in on it instead of thinking with your head and your heart. this country has slipped over the edge of a very slippery slope and i pray that one day peace will be our pursuit and leading by example not by fear and injustice will truly be the american way.
yes sometimes evil men do evil things to stay in power.

Most people don’t realize that we have waterboarded our own people during Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape (SERE) training.
All our Special forces, Pilots and anyone who were in positions that put them at risk for capture by the enemy get the treatment.
I got it in Jan 1971, along with another 80 members of the company going through SERE.
I speak from personal experience.
It works. It is harmless. Scares the heck out of you. And it will get you to talk. But there is no permanent damage, and very little of risk of it.
As to lying during interrogation, that really doesn’t work. Nobody is foolish enough to believe everything someone being waterboarded says, particularly during the first session. But after several sessions and in comparing notes from sessions with other prisoners that were waterboarded the truth can come out.

The number 183 was the number of “pours”, in other words, in a session how many times water was poured on his face. The 183 pours were divided among 5 separate sessions.