‘To Catch a Predator’: A Sting Gone Bad
Despite all of its success in bringing attention to the problem of adults sexually preying on children over the Internet, NBC’s "Dateline" series, "To Catch a Predator," has raised some troubling questions for both law enforcement and the news media. As six other police departments had done before, the Murphy, Texas police department made a deal with "Dateline": to allow NBC cameras to record the sting and to let people hired by "Dateline" actually set up and run the sting, much to the astonishment of a local district attorney. Photos: A Sting Gone Bad In a letter sent to the Murphy police department in advance, Collin County District Attorney John Roach said the deal was a bad idea. We’re "in the law enforcement business, not show business," read the letter. In an interview with ABC News, Roach explained his letter,"The police department, the professionals weren’t in control of the entire operation. They weren’t calling the shots; somebody else was." Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage. But the district attorney’s warning was ignored. The sting set up by NBC and Perverted Justice — a civilian watchdog group hired as a paid consultant by NBC — brought in some 20 men, who were arrested as alleged sexual predators. But the one man, the one very important man "Dateline" thought it had caught, did not show up. William Conradt, 56, an assistant district attorney in a neighboring county, did not go to the sting house even after Dateline had one of its actors call him three different times to get him to walk into the trap. Watch the Brian Ross Investigates Webcast "There’s no question that they wanted him," said Bruce Baron, the attorney representing the Conradt family in a lawsuit against NBC. "There’s no question that they would take him at any price." With Conradt not taking the bait, a decision was made to go get him at his home in the nearby town of Terrell. It was a decision that would raise questions about why the rush to arrest him on a Sunday afternoon. Former Murphy police officer Sam Love, who appeared on "To Catch a Predator" and has since left the force in disgust, says the decision was made at the suggestion of NBC’s Chris Hansen. "Their hope was that the man would come out to go to the store for something or the church or whatever, and Chris Hansen and his crew could confront him and interview him before the arrest was made," Love told ABC News. NBC and the Murphy police deny NBC played any role in the decision to make the arrest, which involved a swat team breaking down Conradt’s door when he did not answer. Conradt’s sister Patricia told "20/20" the police broke in and then headed down a hallway to the bedroom where her brother was waiting for them with a gun in his hand. "They came in, and they see him," Patricia said. "He says, ‘Guys, I’m not gonna hurt anybody.’ And then he put the gun to his head and shot." Police called in a helicopter to rush the critically injured suspect to the hospital. William Conradt died shortly after the helicopter landed at a Dallas hospital. "I understand he took his own life, but I have a feeling that he took his own life when he looked out the door and saw there were a bunch of television cameras outside," said former Murphy detective Walt Weiss, who like Love, left the force in disgust. The two former Murphy detectives say many in their department shrugged off Conradt’s death. "It didn’t matter that that person died because he was just, in their opinion, a child molester or a pervert, if you will," Weiss told ABC News. "I mean it was pushed aside and shoved under the rug." NBC and Perverted Justice have both strongly defended their actions in the case, but no one from either organization would agree to appear on "20/20." In a "Dateline" update broadcast just a few days ago, reporter Chris Hansen offered a new possible explanation for Conradt’s suicide, saying "they found child pornography on his computer" after his death. As for the other 23 alleged sexual predators arrested that day, the district attorney, John Roach, has thrown out their cases, saying the police’s reliance on NBC "Dateline’s" investigation compromised the evidence obtained. Murphy police chief Bill Myrick adamantly denies this. Watch the "20/20" Investigation on a Sting Gone Bad — Part 1 Watch the "20/20" Investigation on a Sting Gone Bad — Part 2 ———————————————————————- NBC News Response to a ‘Sting Gone Bad’ NBC News has now responded to this ABC News report about a "Sting Gone Bad" during a "Dateline" "To Catch a Predator" operation in Murphy, Texas last year. Click here to read their response.
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IMO, Dateline and their affiliates is offering child sex on the internet, and they are every bit as guilty as this person that did not show up!
Posted by: Rob | September 7, 2007, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
There’s something deeply creepy about people who watch police stings for “entertainment.” This is just another kind of pornography and I find it sickening.
Posted by: Jackson | September 7, 2007, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
These police forces need to stop depending on TV shows to do their work for them. Shame on NBC.
Posted by: Maximus | September 7, 2007, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
There are no possible excuses for those that harm children. Dateline’s Catch a Predator series is an excellent and necessary series. Pedophiles must be exposed to the widest possible audience because they DO NOT STOP being predators. The repeat rate for these sick people is horrible. ABC News should focus on developing shows to help society and not to try to gain news share on the tails of a highly successful series. Shame on you ABC.
Mr. Roach and all those in the chain of allowing over 20 child predators must be investigated by our FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT for dropping the all the charges against all those sickos. Something is wrong here. There has to be some level of public corruption there for dropping of charges. Is there a possibility that someone has either been paid off or someone in the prosecutors office is somehow related to one or more of those caught in the sting?
One has to remember that Perverted Justice has aided in hundreds of successful prosecutions where they were nearly all found or pleaded guilty. There methods are not flawed as they have been successful both in state and federal trials. All defense strategies have been answered in every successful case. Parents and citizens must get involved and not allow a renegade prosecutor in Texas and everywhere to DROP ALL CHARGES for those caught trying to have sexual relations with minor children of any age.
Posted by: Bob Fox | September 7, 2007, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Although the “to catch a predator” series makes for great gotcha TV, there are some serious legal issues as far as the statements made by the offenders, leading questions from Hanson etc. The fact remains that these pervs are out there, stalking kids. I would welcome PJ in my town, but without the cameras and the talking head. This is the purview of the police and courts, and to ensure viable prosecutions should remain so.I think ABC news is upset because they did not launch this program first. ABC and NBC love the tabloid stuff too much not to have hurt egos. The Murray Texas Deputy District Attorney would have done himself in regardless. His secret was out he was a law enforcement official who was also a pedophile, camera or no camera he was done for.
Posted by: SO-CAL | September 7, 2007, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
While I have no sympathy for these people and it is probably good that they are caught, there is just something unseemly about the whole “To Catch A Predator” thing, including the arrest of some folks who appear to be mentally ill. And the cops should never want anyone to see them make an arrest with all that damn yelling and the guns drawn and the “force”.
Posted by: Francis Moran | September 7, 2007, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
The only person that should be held responsible for anything in this whole mess is the man who was a pedophile and ultimately took his own life.
Posted by: Mike | September 7, 2007, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Good riddance to Conradt, people are more upset at knowing child predators are in their midst or someone that they put their trust in, such as Conradt as a district attorney. Other jurisdictions have had no promblem getting convictions, and yet the district attorney in Murpy would like to stick his head in the sand…….
Posted by: m | September 7, 2007, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
This show is despicable. They should wait til someone breaks the law before they arrest him. Coming to a house where one has been invited is not a crime.
Posted by: boatman2 | September 7, 2007, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Conradt
Please update your story and tell the truth that Mr. Conradt ALSO had much child pornography on his PC. He chose to commit suicide apparently solely because of GUILT. Please stop trying to make it appear as though he was an innocent victim by error.
Posted by: Bob Fox | September 7, 2007, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
The DA threw out the other cases? Why!?!?! The argument of compromised evidence??? Come on, there was no issue with the other counties prosecuting. Are we really supposed to feel sorry that a child molester/predator shot himself? Are we supposed to pity the man who abused our daughters, our sisters, our friends? I tip my hats to Chris Hansen for trying to expose a predetor for the person he was. The predetor shot himself. Dateline did not!
I, for one, am glad. One less man children have to live in fear from. One less man to poorly influence our children in the sickest fashion imaginable. John Roach, please tell the American public, the American mothers, the American daughters, why you would voluntarily release sexual predetors?!?!?!?! Is there something you are not telling us…
Posted by: Outraged | September 7, 2007, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
It’s a shame Conradt committed suicide, however, it does not appear he was innocent. I have three children and have more sympathy for possible victims.
Posted by: Jon | September 7, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
I don’t care how they catch the scum bags showing up to have sex with kids. The district attorney deciding not to prosecute is outrageous. The program shows that they were clearly there for sex with a child.
Posted by: Sarah | September 7, 2007, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
This is what happens when you turn over law enforcement to mass media. This BS needs to stop.
Posted by: Disgusted | September 7, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
It’s only “troubling” to ABC because the show is on NBC.
Posted by: John Kantor | September 7, 2007, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
It is beginning to look like crime pays for voyeur hustlers more than it does the criminals! What would the hyenas of television do with out the deviants of our nation? Create some? I feel pretty certain that those of the networks that think it is o.k. to exploit the criminals and the crimes haven’t found their children’s pictures on any computer hard-drives confiscated while they are drumming up ratings!
Posted by: Carla | September 7, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Wonder how many cops would have gotten caught if they weren’t in on the deal and had already been forewarn. The largest group of sexual predators on the prowl out there are your everyday traffic cops. This “sting” operation was a joke from the very beginning, and everyone knew it. It was nothing more than a horse and pony show. ;-)
Posted by: wondering | September 7, 2007, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
What’s the problem? He killed himself because Dateline had cameras or because they went to arrest him on a Sunday? Since when do people suspected of felonies get a break? Of course the police should go arrest him (at any time & as soon as possible). Just becuase he is a DA doesn’t matter, he was guilty as charged and chose to take his own life. He has no one to blame but himself.
Posted by: rfinnie66 | September 7, 2007, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Sounds just like cops — they should issue brains with the guns and badges and maybe just a touch of empathy for people!
Posted by: Bill Hicks | September 7, 2007, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
NBC better settle fast,Bruce Baron is relentless and will not leave one stone unturned.I have had cases with him and he is tough as nails.
Posted by: Jonathan T | September 7, 2007, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
In 2006 I wrote a lengthy criticism of To Catch A Predator on my blog. It focused on many issues–but the most critical involved:
a) the failure to indicate what proportion of those engaging the decoy online actually went to his/her “home’ for a rendezvous. The show implies that online interaction inevitably leads to meeting, but this is most unlikely, because both sub-teens and adults have to be willing to take that step and in most cases do not.
b)The show reinforces the image of pedophiles as out of control and therefore jail is the only solution. In reality pedophiles can calculate risk in the same way others can and many do not act on their desires, except through porn and online, because of the risks of detection. Finally, therapy can help reduce recidivism in 90% of the cases as Psychiatrist Fred Berlin has shown. His intereview was on the Predator website, at least at one time, but never part of the broadcast. His perspective, as a clinician and, more importantly, a researcher, would weaken the policy implications of the show.
I’m a sociologist at Queens College in NY and hve taught a course on human sexuality for twenty years.
Posted by: milton mankoff | September 7, 2007, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Yeah. Smear NBC before their new season starts. That’ll work.
Posted by: rukidding | September 7, 2007, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
I’ve been a lawyer for nearly a quarter century, and I handle a lot of litigation involving the sufficiency of evidence and procedural propriety of how it is collected. The big gap in your report is WHY that prosecutor believes the evidence in those 23 cases is tainted (precisely how?). I’d also like to hear the particulars as to why he believes a “jurisdictional problems” exist (sounds like evasive blur-speak to me). Look, the feds (where I work) routinely use private parties (snitches, etc.) as “bait” who ensnare criminals with the fed’s nets. I don’t see the problem here, and I don’t know if I care if a pedophile shoots himself to avoid apprehension and exposure. I call that the best kind of population control (evil-self-elimination). Crimes against children are heinous in and of themselves, and I encourage the Datelines of the world to expose more, not less of it. ABC should investigate here, because all such methods should be freely examined and debugged; but I don’t see any hard evidence of wrongdoing on Dateline’s part. Please provide more details.
Posted by: Christopher | September 7, 2007, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
What sort of moron watches something like “Tocatchapredator” anyway?
Posted by: Dutch | September 7, 2007, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
It’s not the first time I’ve heard of issues with the shows format and tactics. I don’t honestly know what to think. I mean they are questionable but at the same time they still do catch heinous individuals and bring to light their behavior that likely wouldn’t shown otherwise.
If its within the law and they apparently ask law enforcement for assistance and permission then it is not completely their fault if stings go bad.
I wouldnt blame NBC if the show now went off the air. I’d miss it, but I’d understand.
Posted by: Stephan | September 7, 2007, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
NBC’s DateLine series is a fabulous public service that is directly responsible for bring hundreds of child molesters to justice, and perhaps saving hundreds more children from these animals. What’s ABC’s contribution to this cause, other than trying to throw rocks at the competition?
Posted by: Eric | September 7, 2007, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
I feel bad for this man’s family…as I do with all the men caught on this show. However, there needs to be something done about the sexual predators in the world. Dateline has done an amazing job of bringing this horrible subject to light. Everytime something bad happens…someone wants to throw a lawsuit in the mix. Dateline didn’t pull the trigger. That man made a decision to end his life, hurt his family and to be a sexual predator! Has anybody thought about the children he may have hurt over the years? I think it’s sad when anyone dies…but I don’t think anyone should be sued because a coward takes his own life!
Posted by: dbjones | September 7, 2007, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
A PEDOPHILE IS A PEDOPHILE, IS A PEDOPHILE!!!!!!! THANK G-D DATELINE IS HELPING TO EXPOSE THIS DISGUSTING FACT OF OUR SOCIETY!! I HAVE 6 CHILDREN. I WORRY EVERYDAY ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. WHETHER THEY ARE USING A RESTROOM, ON THEIR SCHOOL BUS, INVOLVED IN AFTER-SCHOOL ACTIVITIES, OR AT A FRIENDS HOUSE, WITH THE PARENTS EVEN THERE SUPERVISING. ONE NEVER KNOWS ANYMORE. WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN ABOUT SPEAKING TO STRANGERS, USING THE INTERNET, AND IMPROPER TOUCHING. YET, WE DON’T WANT TO INSTILL IN OUR CHILDREN SUCH A STRONG SENSE OF FEAR, THAT THEY WALK AROUND AFRAID OF EVERYTHING AND EVERY PERSON THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH. SOCIETY HAS BECOME A SCARY PLACE TO BE, AND TO RAISE CHILDREN. WHAT IS A PARENT TO DO, OTHER THAN THE ABOVE MENTIONED COMMENTS? THANK YOU DATELINE, CHRIS HANSEN, AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN CATCHING THESE SICK INDIVIDUALS.
Posted by: ALLIE | September 7, 2007, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
NBC should not be in the business of police. They are a news reporting organization, not a news maker.
Posted by: Hoppy5602 | September 7, 2007, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that any of us can do to stop these animals from preying on children is okay in my book. If that includes luring them the same way that they lure their victims then so be it. There ought to be an entirely seperate justice system for the monsters that perpetrate crimes against children. Right on Dateline!
Posted by: John O | September 7, 2007, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
To Catch A Predator is a worthwhile program to deter pedophiles from interacting with children. I think the show obviously shows shadenfreude but exposes the predators amongst us. I think it is an obvious deterrent and for that reason some people will not go to chat rooms to meet vulnerable children.
I think it is terrible that someone decided that taking his own life was a better alternative than to deal with his problem in the open but that is a decision the man made at the time. Perhaps he was depressed at the time and didn’t see a way to confront the media.
It is a terrible outcome. Perhaps the media did provoke the man’s death by pushing the victim to suicide. Perhaps the man was innocent until proven guilty. Whatever the reason, a man died and it is now being discussed because the cost incurred seems less worthy than the expected outcome.
Posted by: Alex | September 7, 2007, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
“The repeat rate for these sick people is horrible.”
Are you KIDDING me? The recidivism rate for sex offenders is ridiculously low. Much lower than any other crime.
Please, get your facts straight.
Posted by: Obssed Minger | September 7, 2007, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
If I had to choose between having as neighbors those Perverted Justice chaps or a pedophile, I’d choose the pedophile, and I have kids at home.
Posted by: Adriana | September 7, 2007, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Shame on Chris Hansen, the police and NBC. Mr Hansens and his crew don’t care about pedophiles, all they care about is publicity.
Let the cops do their job.
Posted by: Mark | September 7, 2007, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
Does ABC news support the rights of pedofiles now? We should feel sorry for men who engaged in chat with what they thought were underaged girls? It’s okay for an adult to go and try to meet a young girl or boy for sex? These people are FREELY attempting to have sex with kids. One loser took the easy way out. ABC news you make me sick.
Posted by: John Rico | September 7, 2007, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Granted the police may have done a sloppy job, however the means justifys the end.
Shine the light on all PREDATORS, and lock their but’s up for LIFE. Nothings more important than protecting our youths innocent minds, and bodies.
I have no pity for the predators, regardless of how they are captured.
Posted by: Grandmawhocares | September 7, 2007, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Iamhappy that nbc is doing the to catch a predator. Maybe cops can start doing their jobs andprotect our children. They sure as hell Didnt protect me
Posted by: Dkovatch2004 | September 7, 2007, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU — ABC and the district attorney in Texas especially…these perverts need to be stopped. Good for NBC — in trying to weed out some of these scumbags. I don’t understand what the problem was here…all the other states/cities were run the same and all suspects were prosecuted no problem. They need to get a new DA! These men were clearly there to have sex with children — they deserve to be punished and as far as I’m concerned the one that killed himself did all of us and the world a favor..perhaps a child or children are safe who otherwise could have ended up abused or dead because of him. Keep up the good work Chris Hansen and NBC !!! Keep wedding out these despicable animals.
Posted by: Heather S | September 7, 2007, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
I don’t think Dateline did anything wrong… the people on the show were speaking to someone they thought was under age… this took time to setup.. weeks not hours. What happened in Murphy was tragic.. but the DA and the Murphy police department could have said stop. Other DA offices in Texas are going to go after the people let go in Murphy.
Posted by: Here | September 7, 2007, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
u guys are unbeleivable. Shame on 20/20 Protect The Children. It slowed people down I’m sure. The cinverstions are disgusting. W hat if is was your children.
Posted by: kelly and Lisha | September 7, 2007, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
KUDOS to 20/20 for doing this story about Dateline. I found “To Catch a Predator” to be disturbing to watch. They did NOT need to go that far with those people. And now, with charges dropped!!!! their lives are ruined. It was just for ratings!!!
Posted by: Belinda | September 7, 2007, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Go Dateline NBC!!! Go Chris Hansen!!!
There are no possible excuses for those that harm children. Dateline’s Catch a Predator series is an excellent and necessary series to expose Pedophiles. Pedophiles must be exposed to the widest possible audience because they DO NOT STOP being predators. These sick people rape children with horrible sexual acts. ABC News “20/20″ should focus on developing shows to help society and not to try to gain news share on the tails of a highly successful series. Shame on you ABC.
Please update your story and tell the truth that Mr. Conradt ALSO had much child pornography on his PC. He chose to commit suicide apparently solely because of GUILT. Please stop trying to make it appear as though he was an innocent victim by error.
The only person that should be held responsible for anything in this whole mess is the man who was a pedophile and ultimately took his own life.
Posted by: Celina | September 7, 2007, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Nice story ABC. Now do one about how O.J. was the victim of racism and tell us all about his search for the “real killer”.
Posted by: Texas Resident | September 7, 2007, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Isn’t it strange that the focus of the story is on NBC (ABC’s competitor) and not on the 20 indivivials who knowingly chatted with minors and showed up to their house, clearly not to help with homework assigments. As a mother I am outraged that these 20 individuals got off the hook. That’s the real story-too bad 20/20 lost its focus on this.
Posted by: abc | September 7, 2007, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
The Prosecutor and 20/20 are just upset that MSNBC has a extemely successful show. I was disappointed in this news story because it diverted the attention away from the predators who were out seeking sex with young children. The Chief of Police had every right to protect his community and the community should be thankful for that! ABC you’re just upset because your ratings have dropped and MSNBC has a show that is beneficial to communities and entertaining. Come up with better shows and then you will not have to spend your time finding fault in MSNBC!!
Posted by: Necole | September 7, 2007, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Why do we always PROTECT the criminals in this country?!?!?!?
Posted by: Rob | September 7, 2007, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
This is so funny. Is NBC’s show a setup/trap? Yes, but who cares. Child predators are scumb. The DA letting them go free is even a lower form of scumb. Online predators deserve every public form of shame they get. ABC trying to make a “scandal” out of this is laughable. The two police officers who were “bullied” by NBC have no integrity. What kind of cops are you?!?!?
Posted by: tfio | September 7, 2007, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Here is the thing about this story. These people are guilty because they have shown up to have sex with a minor. If their face is on Television, what better protection for children. Now of course you are the liberal media so these are victims to you. But let us know what you think when your kids are contacted by one of these slime balls
Posted by: Mike | September 7, 2007, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
20/20 you guys are so jealous!!! Just because a rival station has received rave reviews and accolades for doing amazing work, you have to try and find a problem. For whatever reason they are doing it, they are revealing 100s of child predators and teaching children and adults the valuable lesson that predators come in all shapes and sizes. If someone kills themselve after an arrest, hey that one less disgusting pervert that the world doesnt have to worry about!! Maybe they will all follow suit. This is the last time I will watch any 20/20 shows. The child rape defenders. You will change your mind when it happens to you or someone you love.
Posted by: Kimberley Smith | September 7, 2007, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
At least Dateline NBC is doing something about these criminals. Brian Ross, what are you doing about the problem?!
Yes, perhaps mistakes were made, but at least some people are trying to bring these criminals to justice. Stop blaming the people who are trying and start putting forth your own efforts!!!!
You are just benefiting from their publicity — not very good journalism IMHO.
Posted by: RB | September 7, 2007, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Wow! What a great story to support the pedophiles out there! Just when these guys are starting to be highlighted and neighborhoods are starting to be made safe the very program that has been doing these great things gets targeted. This is the first episode in which anything has gone wrong and in typical news style the opposing network picks up the story. And I figured ABC would be for the victims and the families – not the bad guys!
Posted by: Jane | September 7, 2007, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Shame on ABC for criticizing another show that is giving them competition. I watched the first show and the follow
up show. Regardless of how you feel about the news media, kudos to Dateline for taking on such despicable crimes. Dateline shows have resulted in more than 120 convictions. The man who killed himself was trying to have contact with an underage teen, did 20/20 feel this is okay? What is 20/20 doing to help rid our communities of pedaphiles and child molesters. You could have used this air time for a more productive story instead of criticizing a competitor who has a successful show. It is not important who watches the show, it is more important to catch the people who come on the show. Next time 20/20 take the high road. It is hard to criticize a show that catches these type of criminals regardless of the motive.
Posted by: Sharon | September 7, 2007, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
about time it has been brought to light what crap this show is..i stopped watching ,i found it dispicable. Did anyone consider the family? kids at school? inocent wife?? this show should end, sure arrest them, catch them, but dont film it.
Posted by: Barbara | September 7, 2007, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Pathetic jounalism on your part ABC. A cheap shot at NBC.
Posted by: Mike | September 7, 2007, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
I think 20/20 is jealous that they didn’t think of the idea first! NBC is doing a great thing. At least they are trying to get something done with all the perverts out there. The public humiliation is ALMOST enough punishment for these perverts!! I can’t believe you’re doing a story like this! I NEVER post on things like this but I was so outraged by your story, I had to. You should be ashamed!!
Posted by: Darlene | September 7, 2007, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Your piece on ‘To Catch a Predator’: A Sting Gone Bad” is more telling of how your show has gone bad. Sounds more like jealousy of a competitor(NBC). You obviously interviewed people from your point of view. How about other people who thought it was a good idea. One sided reporting is bad reporting.
Posted by: Lrob | September 7, 2007, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
I am DISGUSTED by 20/20, the producers,and especially Brian Ross; that he/they would prostitute themselves/himself – to the compeditive jealosy casting doubt on the other network’s successfull series. This is just an example of journalism gone bad, not on the part of Dateline, but he contempt and disingenuous production of ABC. ABC appears to have taken staked out a position, unfortunatly not surprising, as the Appologists for Perverts. But then what do you expect for the present day press. ABC is suffering from compeditive jealolsy, and therefore responded by trying to achieve claim — being an appoligist for perverts. This is why journalism majors have no business masquarading as reporters. Dateline WINS — 20/20 LOSESES….
Posted by: BobG | September 7, 2007, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Congratulations ABC, with your help maybe we can stop harassing child predators. Is this story because your network did not come up with the concept first? It’s ashamed, with so much family appropriate programing, you would do this kind of story. Nobody coaxed the predators into trolling for minors. Nobody ever forced an individual into a car to go have sex with a minor. Stop it, your arguemnets are weak. Suddenly my TV no longer gets an ABC channel.
Posted by: Bill | September 7, 2007, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
You have got to be kidding me! Tell me how you can justify a man or anyone trying to molest a minor or worse a child. Keep on fellas and I promise you that if this country servives 100 more years it will be a Matriarch Society. Women are sick to thier stomach at the action of the men that can not control or refuse to control thier thoughts or actions of sexual deviantcy. Why am I not suprise that the National Media would take the side of the predetor, shame on you
Posted by: Deborah | September 7, 2007, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
I am APPAULED that the Murphy Texas prosecutor has dropped the charges on the 23 perverts that NBC exposed. That’s it….let’s protect these child molester again. I would like to know how that prosecutor can sleep at night. Justice? I think not!
Posted by: J. WEBB | September 7, 2007, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
I’m dissaapointed that 20/20 is pointing out what may be wrong with the to catch a predator investigations, and not pointing out all of the good that has been done through these shows. If the police officers were ever uncomfortable with the way things were going with dateline, then they could have declined. This show should be about the decisions of the police force, not what dateline may have done wrong. What dateline did was bring out child abusers and everyone should be grateful.
Posted by: Charles | September 7, 2007, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
I think ABC News is missing the point and it is sad that one station has nothing better to do than bash another station – How about we focus on the good done, not once did I hear that mentioned – they successfully exposed many predators — If one state choose not to prosecute that is there choice – but many are in jail because of NBC news – Did ABC do this because it is a successful series. Some people in life are SUE HAPPY .. whereever they can get money they will sue for it – but to condem a station NBC for taking a stand and bringing people to Justice – I don’t blame NBC for not appearing on your show… IS ABC PERFECT — I’d think not – how about you point out the good!!!
Posted by: Sheila | September 7, 2007, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Shame on you, ABC, in the name of competion you try to stop a show that has probably saved lives and the future of many children. How many children will be harmed if NBC’s program is stopped. You should in fact have a similar program. Now all of the predators caught in TX are still out there, preying on children. Shame on you.
Posted by: David | September 7, 2007, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
I think this segment is a cheap shot at NBC. It looks especially stupid since NBC already aired their episode regarding Murphy DA’s accusation on Wednesday, and had an actual Texas state assistant DA to say that everything they did on the show was legal, and he didn’t understand why the Murphy DA wouldn’t prosecute (yes, that guy is only a Murphy DA, not a Texas state DA as 20/20 claimed throughout the show). I used to love 20/20, but I lost my complete respect with this segment. This is not good news reporting, but rather a cheap shot at a competitor’s very successful (and excellent) series, and it only makes 20/20 look stupid. NBC did what they need to make the series into a good successful story, and bring attention to a very critical issue. Kudos to NBC, shame on you ABC!
Posted by: AH | September 7, 2007, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
I’m very disappointed in tonight’s broadcast in regards to NBC, The Sting Gone Bad. Bottom line is that people are doing very bad things and are getting caught and for ABC to go after NBC for such visibility and making an issue/episode out of it is disappointing. Focus on things that are of more significance……diplomacy at it’s worse would warrant more television time than Chris Hanson and the good work that he is doing in regards to making predators accountable.
Posted by: Jill | September 7, 2007, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
The Murphy County DA has no guts with prosecuting any of the accused offenders. No one forced these alleged pedophiles into the set – up home, and no Hanson did not violate their Amendment right to Miranda by questioning them because they were able to leave at any point hence not being in custody. Not to mention, the statements made to Hansen were not required for prosecution anyhow, only the internet chat log and the mere fact that the alleged violators freely came to the set – up house for what they thought was a sexual encounter with a juvenile was needed. ABC is merely trying to cash in with their series on the Dateline series that was obviously so successful and the Murphy County DA is full of poppy cock with its rationale for refusing to prosecute. I would welcome any such sting in my neighborhood for at least to weed out the true predators in our society. This is what the DA and ABC seem to be ignoring.
Posted by: azreael | September 7, 2007, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
All this is is sour grapes by one network being out done by another. Ratings rule. I guess ABC is in favor of pervs trolling for children on the internet? Is that what they are trying to porlytray? Nowhere did you report that the law enforcement officals were wittnessing a crime when the were propositioned by the “supposed” crimmals. They have the lawful right to arrest anyone then and there in the act of a crimanl act. Especialy one that has children involed. SHAME ON DA ROACH, FOR NOT HAVING THE GUTS TO PROSECUTE PEDOPHILES, AND SHAME ON YOU ABC FOR PROTECTING THEM!!
Posted by: jmontyiam | September 7, 2007, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Unfortunately I think that the reason you would run such a story is because your network didn’t come up with the idea. My walk-away from your story is that you will defend child predators. That’s disgusting!
Posted by: Bill | September 7, 2007, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Jackson… you hit the nail on the head. It’s EXACTLY like another form of pornography but you couldn’t get these folks who watch the program (or air it for that matter) to admit that. They all believe they have God on their side. Disgusting.
Posted by: Looken | September 7, 2007, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Collin County District Attorney John Roach should be APPLAUDED.
I would like to remind the posters who are “outraged” that the charges were dropped or that NBC is doing a “public service” of a little something called: THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.
We have rights in this country, protected by the Constitution.
Thank you Mr. Roach.
Posted by: Leigh | September 7, 2007, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Chris Hanson is a hero and so is NBC. The D.A. that let the 23 people go should put a bullet in his head too. He’s just as sick as the other pervert.
I used to watch 20/20
Guess I’ll watch Dateline Only now.
Can’t wait to see what Dateline fires back with at 20/20.
Keep it up DATELINE and CHRIS HANSON
Posted by: chris pelaia | September 7, 2007, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
I am disappointed, however not surprised by your “investigation” into the to catch a predator show. This is yet another example of how the law has tried to accommodate everyone, but has served no one.
Everyone knows that a criminal rarely recieves the maximum penalty for his/her crime, even when the crime committed is as obvious as this. I get disgusted when I see repeat offenders or serious offenders get away with a slap on the wrist. To Catch a Predator has given serious offenders a punishment to last a lifetime. All can say to NBC is job well done, and to ABC shame on you for your poorly thought out ratings scam.
Posted by: Lindsey | September 7, 2007, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
He DID break the law. He arranged to meet an underage person for sex. The simple arrangement is against the law in Texas, whether it was followed through with or not. As long as the police are involved, I don’t see an issue. Did he freak because he saw all the TV cameras? I hope so. Maybe the camera’s can serve as more of a deterrant than police activity and possible jail time.
Posted by: Ashleigh | September 7, 2007, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
ABC should be ashamed! This is not about news, it’s about ratings. The success of NBC’s Dateline in this area makes it your target, not justice. Add a DA and a few police officers who are looking for attention and there you have it, 20/20. What a joke. You totally miss the point of deterrence. I applaud NBC and PJ for doing what they can to bring this to light and to shine it as brightly as possible.
Posted by: Lou | September 7, 2007, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
I used to have much respect for 20/20 but to do an expose defending potential child molesters and maligning a fellow reporter attempting to help bring an end to online predators having free reign to our children is unforgivable. To question Hanson’s tactics is one thing but to state that he was just out for ratings seems slanderous in and of itself. The things those people type to a child (whether real or an undercover agent) is absolutely unforgivable. Anyone who would attack a person trying to do something about it is reprehensible.
Adj. 1. reprehensible – bringing or deserving severe rebuke or censure; “a criminal waste of talent”; “a deplorable act of violence”;
condemnable, criminal, deplorable, vicious
wrong – contrary to conscience or morality or law;
The definition fully represents 20/20 for this report.
Posted by: thill | September 7, 2007, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Conradt was suspected of deleting edvidence.. and Conradt’s sister sueing… maybe she didn’t know her brother. Calling Perverted Justice vigilantes … just because they are doing something that more people should do… protect kids while online. Maybe this will open parent’s eyes… Parents talk to their kids about not talking to strangers… but kids talk to strangers all the time while online.. their neighborhood is now global.
Posted by: Here | September 7, 2007, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
The DA in Murphy Texas needs to be prosecuted to the fulliest by law for gross neglect of duty. PJ has helped many law enforcement agencies and has been successfull in it. What a moron. I wonder does he have something to hide or does he have prior knowledge of a felony act? Makes one wonder what kind of “man” would free 23 men who admit to praying on children. And shame on ABC for exploiting this to try and grab some of NBC’s ratings.
Posted by: Mariane | September 7, 2007, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Why are you protecting these criminals. Do you expect me to belive this is about the law. Who and what are you protecting here. These people are sick and they need to be exposed not protected. Poor choice in reporting here very poor choice. The only people that are breathing a breath of hope here are the criminals. Please Apologize to the public for your poor choice of reporting.
Posted by: Juan Gonzalez | September 7, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
I am done with ABC 20/20….my last viewing was tonight when I saw them tear apart “to catch a predator”. Can we just forget all the “injustice” to these poor criminals and remember what they have done? Who looks after our children and protects them? When will step up to the plate and say “I have had enough of anyone who preys on our children” regardless!!!
Posted by: Sandy | September 7, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
ABC’s 20/20 just aired in my time zone. I was so mortified that they were having a show of this nature that I immediately turned the channel. I am disgusted with ABC for promoting not putting these predators on blast. Child predators do not deserve any privacy.
Done with ABC
Posted by: teena | September 7, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
As a parent of two children living less than 10 miles from Murphy, TX I am VERY glad this sting was done. I am not concerned about anything more than the safety of children. Adults can make decisions about their actions but children cannot. Whatever it takes to scare sick individuals from trying to ‘meet’ young children is what should be done. A man decided to take his own life, which is sad. However, attempting to have sexual relations with a youth is even worse.
Why is 20/20 televising this show tonight? Could it possibly be for the ratings?
Posted by: Sandy | September 7, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
I am a federal law enforcement officer and I totally support NBC’s Dateline and the folks at Perverted Justice. Their efforts in identifying these child predators should be applauded, not ridiculed by other media. District Attorney John Roach’s decision to let these criminals go and his derogatory public statements about NBC Dateline are not only despicable, they should raise concern and anger in anyone who hears them. He’s a disgrace to the justice system and he should be investigated for these actions. As for Conradt’s family, while nobody should rejoice in another man’s suicide, the facts are the facts. He was engaging in perverse activity with minors. He chose to take his own life to obviously avoid the embarassment of what he was going to face. His family should move on and not allow his criminal actions be brought more to light than they already are now. My family and I regularly watch “To Catch a Predator.” It’s not “perverse T.V.” as some of your commentors have suggested and they are not “exploiting criminals.” They’re identifying some of societies worst criminals and showing families what can happen when kids surf the Internet.
Posted by: Dana | September 7, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
I am appalled at ABC and 20/20 for this story. Dateline NBC’s “To Catch a Predator” series is controversial – but you cannot deny the incredible public service of stopping pedophiles. To those who complain that they are setting traps – that someone should only be arrested AFTER they commit a crime against a child – that is ridiculous! The fundamental flaw in that logic is that a child has to be damaged for it to work, a young person is scarred for the rest of their lives! We know what would be going on if these rendezvous were not set up by the Perverted Justice crew. I for one am grateful for all they do.
As for Conradt – he didn’t kill himself because of the TV cameras. He killed himself because of his own guilt and shame. Be angry at his death – but be angry at Conradt, for his sickness and his weakness. Pedophiles are sick, sick. That’s what people should be mad at. Be angry at whatever made him who he was. Right now, I’m mad at ABC and 20/20. I’m guessing the producers of 20/20 wish THEY had thought of “Catch a a Predator” for 20/20 and gotten the ratings. Since you didn’t, I guess you had to stoop to using their story for you own ratings side show – twisting a commendable program that keeps children safe.
Shame on you 20/20. Shame shame.
Posted by: Janimal | September 7, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
I think Chris Hansen and NBC are heroes. If the people they interviewed online and lured to the house were not planning on harming the children, then they would not be doing what they know is against the law. These people are sick and if the people that do not like what NBC is doing had their own child harmed, they would certainly have a change in opinion. ABC obviously has a bone to pick because of the popularity of the show and the ratings they have lost because of it. I will certainly think twice before watching 20/20 or ABC ever again. The people need to take back the court system away from the lawyers so these people can be put away so our children can safely walk the sidewalks and play outside again.
Posted by: Neil | September 7, 2007, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
I just watched the 20/20 report regarding “To catch a predator.” What a case of sour grapes. Brain Ross only wishes he had the original story. Ross should review his “investigative reports”–he uses the same format as Hanson.
Posted by: Mike McCarty | September 7, 2007, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Listen up everyone who feels bad for the pedophile… he SHOULDN’T have done it! What is wrong with you people? The only thing that is really upsetting about this whole situation is that the guy killed himself.
It shouldn’t have been that easy for him… he should have just been castrated. That should be the fate of every pedophile, if you can’t use it correctly, you don’t need it. I really hope nothing happens to NBC because it’s not their fault the guy commited suicide. It’s his fear of being labelled a pedophile for the rest of his pathetic life that made him commit suicide.
Posted by: josh | September 7, 2007, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
I am watching 20/20 tonight and I can’t believe how you are against NBC for exposing several predators. NBC caught several predators and tried to protect our children and you are showing nothing but the negative of the show. Why don’t you show the positive side of their show. They have probably saved several young individualts from being hurt. Murphy should be proud of their town for allowing this to take place. NBC should receive an award for their show. I always watch ABC but the 20/20 show tonight really upset me. ABC doesn’t need rating that bad!!!!!!!
Posted by: Donna | September 7, 2007, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
If ABC producers; along with Brian Ross, intentionally and voluntarilty defend and appoligize for PERVERTS…. Then questioning your personal proclivities are fair game.
Posted by: BobD | September 7, 2007, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
ABC came across like a jealous teenager. NBC informed the public of how real, and close to home the threat of pedophiles.
It is unclear what value you attributed to the issue, other than informing us of ‘egos’ of law enforcement, and ABC’s inability to contribute to making this a safer world
VERY disappointed.
Posted by: stella | September 7, 2007, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
I think ABC is missing the point. Everday children in this country are being exploited. I commend Dateline for
taking a stand on on issue that is constantly being pushed under the rug until a child is killed. It sounds like you are saying a pedophile that happens to be a D.A. life is more important then the saftey of our children. The fact is if we do not expose these pedophiles then they will continue to ruin our children’s lives. The police cannot possibly find and apprehend the multitude of pedophiles that stalk and destroy our children. For law enforcement and ABC to denounce any progress made in deminishing the occurence of pedophilla is reprehensible. Egos and ratings should have no place in protecting the children form these sick animals. We should expose them regardless of their public status. I guess law enforcement and ABC would rather tell the story to the parent after their child is missing and a big manhunt insues.
GREAT JOB DATELINE NBC.
Posted by: Mary | September 7, 2007, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Oh, and your news site has a big blur about Craig’s kids–and their “credibility”–you idiots! They were not there, they were not witnesses, they are irrelevant to the bathroom trolling. You are so guilty of sensationalism yourselves I can’t believe you took NBC to task for Predators.What are you doing about that problem, ABC? And most police depts?
Posted by: Mary | September 7, 2007, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Regardless if it was your next door neighbor, a law enforcement officer, a politician, or a priest, Perverted Justice and To Catch Predator’s Chris Hanson are providing a service that works hand in hand with local law enforcement. And I believe they should keep up the good work. They didn’t take his life, HE chose to take his own life after he realized he had been caught.
Posted by: Todd | September 7, 2007, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Congratulations 20/20 on your mediocre attempt to cash in on Dateline’s “To Catch a Predator” series. Your segment has just played Beta to NBC’s VHS.
Nevermind the fact that this series catches sick individuals and prevents them from harming young children. What I find disgusting is that instead of producing original programming, 20/20 was content to ride the coat tails of someone else’s work.
Good job; I’ll be sure not to watch in the future.
Posted by: Frank | September 7, 2007, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Are you kidding me? People are actually defending this DA in Texas, saying Dateline is wrong in what they’re doing. When are you people going to wake up? What if this was your child who was being hunted by a sexual predator? And, the fact that ABC is supporting this by broadcasting it on 20/20 is absolutely despising. I pray that it never happens to your children. Obviously, if you support this alleged “wrongdoing”, you either don’t have kids or you’re under the “it won’t happen to me” influence. Dateline NBC, keep up the good work.
Posted by: Troy | September 7, 2007, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
ABC sucks!!! At least NBC, Dateline, and Chris Hansen have done SOMETHING to prevent pedophilia and harm to OUR children.
Posted by: Mad As Hell | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I think what they do in the “To Catch a Predator” series is a good thing. I can’t believe that it’s being looked at in a negative way. They are catching people that I’d rather not be on the streets. Maybe some people know it’s only a matter of time before they are caught, and want to cause problems where there really aren’t any. I hope Chris Hansen and the crew are able to continue the good work.
Posted by: Lucinda | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I get a laugh at some of the posts here. 20/20 is not protecting any predator. Our justice system should not be run by any network or group that has little to no training in law enforcement. Stop saying save the children. If we keep allowing things like this to happen our children won’t have a future and it will be our fault.
I can’t believe some people are so small minded that they miss the big picture. Arrest those guilty, YES, but do it the right way so true justice can prevail….. Of course those that work at NBC are probably the ones who are the most upset.
We live in the United States of America. People stop selling out or country for ratings, profit and we need to stop living in fear. Our justice system does a great job getting criminals off of the streets and they don’t need any help from a tv show, well at least real cops don’t need that kind of help!
Posted by: Ron | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Ok I do agree to a point that you shouldn’t even advertise this stuff on TV….However if you think about all of the children who are molested by men or women…then why not put them on TV and let them be known to the world so when do get off skott free like they did this evening on TV then we can protect our children from these people!!!! I do not agree with how things were done but we do need better protection for our children….and we do need to have a way to keep these people off of the streets and make it known that we will not tolerate it….I am a mother of two and if anyone would hurt my kids I would put them in prison and stay there!!! DON’T BLAME THIS JUST ON THE TV AND A NEWS COMPANY ….IT NEEDS TO BE BLAMED ON THE PREDATORS THAT WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR …IF WE DIDN’T HAVE THESE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS THEN THIS WOULDN’T EVEN BE AN ISSUE!!!! SO LETS PRAY THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE AS ONE AND PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!!
Posted by: LMK | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
It seems like ABC is bashing it’s rival NBC. Police enforcement use cameras frequently to document crimes/arrest. Even we as “the public” often catch ciminal offenses on camera. Maybe Mr. Conradt shot himself because he looked outside, saw the swat team, and knew he had been caught.
Posted by: Darlene | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Alex wrote: “To Catch A Predator is a worthwhile program to deter pedophiles from interacting with children”
WHAT? Have you not SEEN the show? Most of these men are not only familiar with the show – they have also questioned whether or not they were heading into a sting – and went anyway.
The show is NOT A DETERRENCE.
Posted by: LAK | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I can appreciate the concern for the Constitutional rights of the individuals in questions during Dateline’s “To Catch A Predator”. However, I believe that what Dateline is doing to get these monsters off the street is a really good thing. So far, they are the only news source to go the extra step past reporting these horrible acts, to actually doing something about it. If their program has kept even one predator off the streets, than I would consider it a success. As for the individual who took his life, I am sorry for his family’s loss; however, he was obviously a sick individual and had ill intentions. His death is not something you can blame on Chris Hansen, NBC, or the Police. This was his fault, he dug his own hole and is the sole person responsible. I stand behind NBC and Chris Hansen and their efforts to keep these people off the streets.
Posted by: Shane | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
ABC should be ashamed. This entire “expose” is a complete farce of reality. The Catch a Predator series is of great public service because it informs parents and the dangers that the Internet can pose for their children. Who knows how many thousands of parent/child conversations the Dateline series has promted. Conversations that have taught children the real dangers of Internet predators. And then there is the flipside, perhaps would-be predators have been discouraged by the series. And that Assistant DA that shot himself. He exposed himself in pictures to someone he thought was 13. When do you expect the police to arrest him? After he exposes himself to countless other children? And as for the cameras, I don’t think pedifiles are due any more privacy than ABC’s Nigeria 419 scammers. It’s just plain silly. ABC News is the absolute worst. What hipocrisy!!!
Posted by: Jax | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Listen up everyone who feels bad for the pedophile… he SHOULDN’T have done it! What is wrong with you people? The only thing that is really upsetting about this whole situation is that the guy killed himself.
It shouldn’t have been that easy for him… he should have just been castrated. That should be the fate of every pedophile, if you can’t use it correctly, you don’t need it. I really hope nothing happens to NBC because it’s not their fault the guy commited suicide. It’s his fear of being labelled a pedophile for the rest of his pathetic life that made him commit suicide.
Posted by: josh | September 7, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
A little jealousy perhaps? You wish you had a hit like that, don’t you? You network airs “Desperate Housewives” which is a bigger perversion of societal values that dramatizing a sting. Maybe you should feel for the innocent children who are the victims and scarred for life.
Posted by: Lawal | September 7, 2007, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I want to say first of all that I APPRECIATE the fact that Dateline and Chris Hansen care enough for children to try and catch these sub-human creatures. I have a child who is a victim of child abuse and the animal only spent 6 months in jail, and the rest of the family has decided she no longer exists. At least there are those out there that care enough to go to whatever lengths possible to trap these monsters!! I’m sure that if those of you out there have NOT had to endure the HELL my family and I have had to, you may possibly be quick to judge against Dateline. I applaud them!
Posted by: Wendy Lantz | September 7, 2007, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I think it is really sad when we as Americans start feeling bad for the predators instead of the victims. It is human nature to blame someone else for another person’s actions. However in this case, here are the facts: (1) If the deceased was one of the other hundreds of predators “caught” on or off tape, it would be another pedafile off of our streets. (2) The deceased and he only decided to chatted with the minor, while posing as a teenager himself. (3) If the deceased didn’t knowingly do anything wrong, then why not “face” the charges and have a jury of his piers find him guilty or not guilty. If he was cleared but had to get another job, move, etc…, he would still be ok. It is easy to play the blame game, but when do you we start to take responsibility for our actions and not blame others for the consequences that you have to face after the fact.
Posted by: Jim | September 7, 2007, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
ABC has done a disservice to NBC & Perverted Justice in trying to present ‘To catch a Predator’ in a negative light. Any legal process to get these perverts put away should be acceptable. The Murphy prosecutor should be investigated for incompetency
Posted by: Mike | September 7, 2007, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I’m not saying that maybe there wasn’t a little too much hollywood involved in these shows and they could and should have been more careful to preserve the integrity of the investigation. That being said, even though I couldn’t stomach TCAP, I was very grateful that they did the shows. If nothing else they made these individuals think before they started stalking online, “who am I really talking to?”
I think that ABC is just trying to shoot down a popular show to boost their own ratings and the truth is all it did was make me not want to watch 20/20 anymore. Not once were hard questions asked of the DA or anyone else involved. It was a self serving episode designed to kill another networks show. Not once was it mentioned that maybe, just maybe, Dateline was doing society a great service. I’m very disappointed in 20/20. Oh, and as far as that ADA commiting suicide, why didn’t they mention that he had kiddie porn on his computer, afraid it wouldn’t be such a sympathetic story perhaps?
Posted by: Kerrie | September 7, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
NBC is not responsible. The man behind the gun is responsible. Why hasn’t anyone questioned why the man had a gun in the first place? Why did he live alone? If he was innocent why not let the cops take him and find out for themselves?? Whats next? Would you losers like to see if the Pope really believes in God?? Get real.
Posted by: jennifer | September 7, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
I get the impression from the story this evening that Brian Ross was trying to attack NBC. Such a disappointment. I’m sure ABC has always done their stories above board and by the book.
If “Preditor” can get these people off the streets, more power to them. If one of the suspects is an attorney, I’m sure the embarassment was more than he could handle, and the suicide is the end result. What about what he did to a child? Does that not count? The end result to a child is a lifetime of injury – mentally and physically. Let’s not forget the children!
Posted by: Karen | September 7, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Shame, shame on ABC 20/20 and the Texas District Attorney. Shame on the DAs sister for suing anyone. She should have been talking with her brother about his perverted desires. The Dateline stories serves an important role in identifying criminals. It is an innovative approach to a crime that police are slow to address and in many cases overwhelmed. My daughter was contacted by a preditor on her cell phone. I contacted the local police who did nothing. What can parents do? A little public humiliation is the least the criminals should get. Their pictures should be posted on the internet, TV, the post office, anywhere possible. Shame! Shame! on ABC and the district attorney. You should be working with others to get these criminals off the streets not fighting each other! The ABC 20/20 “news” story was a cheat shot! I have lived in Texas most of my life. DAs are quick to prosecute if a DA or police officer is the perceived victim. However, if the case involves children or the poor every thing must be perfect and justice moves very slow or not at all!
Posted by: Dee | September 7, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
I am shocked and outraged by 20/20 critizing the Dateline “To Catch A Predator ” series.Frankly ABC is probably jealous that it didn’t do it first!Yes NBC is exploiting this series for all its worth, just like ABC, and all the other networks do!TV JOURNALISM HAS NO MORALITY, NO MATTER WHAT NETWORK IS DOING THE EXPLOITATION! THE TEXAS STATES ATTORNEY IS ANGRY BECAUSE ONE OF HIS MAJOR PROSECUTERS WAS A BLATANT PERVERT AND HE DIDN’T KNOW IT!NBC, despite the blatant exploitation has done a great service to milliions of parents who were so naive about what goes on online with their children.ABC criticizing NBC is simply a case of “the pot calling the kettle black”!
Posted by: Cary Feldman | September 7, 2007, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
This pervert was ready to kill himself because he was caught – regardless of the method. His life as he projected to others was over. It was a cowardly act; he’s a coward for having preyed upon children. I have sympathy for his sister who probably has not come to terms with her brother’s true self.
To ABC: Dateline is uncovering the absolute horrors these predators commit. That there is sympathy for any of them leaves me speechless! I have always said that if rich white men were the victims of rape or were killed by their wives, there would be laws galore – no parole ever for those that dared harm the heads of the rich white man! But crimes against women and children seem to be taken in stride by the lawmakers (rich white men).
I will scream from the rooftop in defense of Chris Hansen’s work.
The blame lies with the predator. And 20/20, you just don’t get it.
Posted by: j carroll | September 7, 2007, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
I think it’s ridiculous that your program defends child predators. Attacking Dateline is inexcusable. And if that was my brother that shot himself because he was a pedophile, then I would be ashamed and I sure would not be defending him. I do not have children yet, but when I do I hope that programs like you would not defend predators like these!
Posted by: Brooke | September 7, 2007, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
I think what was done, catching the preditors was a good thing no matter how Chris Hasson did it . Let me ask everyone out there who has been molested, like myself,, who cares how they get caught as long as they get caught and hopefully learn there lesson.
And as for the woman sueing because her brother killed himself, maybe she should think of all the people in the world who has been victimized,, what her brother did was wrong and he obviosly new what he done was wrong.
Posted by: angela hadley | September 7, 2007, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
I’m outraged by 20/20′s show today. I am a 45 year old woman that was molested when I was 5 years old, and I guess a lot of you guys at acb have not experience the horror of something like this. As far as I am concern, those sick people need to be wiped out from the face of the earth. I aplaude Dateline and Chris Hansen for the good job they are doing.
Posted by: Adriana | September 7, 2007, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
While it is tragic that the subject in question took his own life, it is in no way the fault of NBC or anyone involved with the show. HE chose his disgraceful actions that led to him being a target of the show and HE choose the coward’s way out. If you saw NBC’s coverage, he also had child pornography on his computer. People may disagree with the “glamorization” of aspects of “To Catch a Predator” but it needs to be kept in mind that this show has done a LOT to inform the public about the very real threat of predators on the Internet. Anybody engaging in such activities SHOULD be exposed and SHOULD be prosecuted. The fact that many of those arrested are now free to victimize other children is obscene. It is shows like 20/20 tonight that push more people into making such ridiculous decisions. Instead of standing up for what is right, they take the easy way out. Even if these people are “lured” to the sting houses, they make the decision freely. Even if they never showed up, soliciting a minor online is, in itself, a crime and one they should be severely punished for.
Posted by: Tanya | September 7, 2007, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Dateline is doing a great job! These people going after children are perverts. It doesn’t matter how they are catching them as long as they are getting them further away from my children. If it was my husband I wouldn’t care how humiliated he would look on tv or what they had to do to catch him. We all know that being sexual with a minor is not only illegal it is disgusting!! Sorry for the guy who killed himself but they had evidence before and found more afterward, so his family should let it be. They are only shaming him more by bringing out the whole truth of what a pervert he was. It doesn’t matter how much we teach out children to stay away from these perverts, kids are still young and vulnerable, say the right things and even the smartest and strongest children will be curious. And you never know it could be yours!!
Posted by: Georgette | September 7, 2007, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Are you kidding me? ABC you have just permanently lost a long time 20/20 viewer. We sat here and watched tonight and could not believe the lame argument you were trying to sell to show that Dateline was somehow at fault, doing a terrible mid-service to America and should be stopped. “Chris Hansen provided the phone number to the police” Wow that is really powerful stuff-they should be yanked off the air. It was so painfully obvious that ABC was making a lame attempt to discredit the hugely popular NBC show- and had nothing to go on whatsoever-so it just took the arguments of some backwards farm town, who appear to be very concened about trying to protect their pedophiles. And they protested that Dateline was there??? I WISH Dateline would do a show in my city-I can’t wait untill they do- and catch every last pedophile within 100 miles. They must be insane in that town! Thank Goodness for that Police Chief he should be given a promotion, he was the only one in the entire city with an ounce of common sense. And the comment by the sister of the deceased man: “these vigilante, out of control groups” what about her out of control pedophile brother, preying on a 13 yr old??? He shot himself because of what he did, because he got caught and because he knew exactly what would be found on his computer. The only reason anyone cared is because he had a respectable job. If he would have been living in a trailer in the woods no one would have blinked an eye. Dateline is doing society the biggest service of any show on television and should be commended. We will watch it whenever it is on and will never watch 20/20 again. EVery educated, decent person I know and work with watches that Dateline show, so I think you made a critical error tonight in trying to bash it-
Posted by: Dana Nino | September 7, 2007, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
“Under Texas law, an alleged predator doesn’t even have to show up for the meet”.
Way to shoot yourselves in the foot. Yes, they could have met Conradt the next day, but they thought he was destroying evidence.
And, by the way, OH MY GOD THEY DON’T HAVE TO SHOW UP FOR THE MEET.
So why aren’t all these men being prosecuted, exactly? There is no reason; it’s a felony in Texas to even talk sexually to someone you believe to be a child online.
Nice work, Collin County D.A. I hope you like being unemployed, you incompetent wizard.
Posted by: Mark H. | September 7, 2007, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Anybody that watched your episode bashing Dateline may want to look at their own lives. If they actually agree with you report they need to mind their own business. Maybe they don’t have children or maybe they are the predictors. For ABC to dear air something as discriminating and serious against another company just to better themselves over a issue that is very serious ridiculous! I hope you a lot to of viewers due to this airing, i know my family won’t watch you again
Rachel, Ohio
Posted by: Rachel | September 7, 2007, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
I can’t believe that ABC supports child molestor’s rights. ABC claims NBC was just out for ratings, as if ABC isn’t doing this for ratings. At least NBC was protecting children, is ABC protecting pedophiles now?
Posted by: Louie | September 7, 2007, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
I find it apalling that the district attorney set free confirmed child molesters because of some disagreements with the police chief. Did he ever here of intent of the law? I believe legislators intent was to remove these criminals from society.THIS IS ANOTHER REASON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS A FARCE!
Posted by: D.NELSKI | September 7, 2007, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
ABC News needs to get their facts straight Dateline NBC is doing great work. They have been credited with many arrests and even making new laws. Also the District Attorney who killed himself – He killed himself, he had numerous amounts of child porn on his personal computer, and had no knowledge NBC cameras where with police. As far as I’m concerned I will continue watching Dateline NBC and ABC News needs to get rid of Brian Ross!
Posted by: Jonathan | September 7, 2007, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
If 20/20 can catch these predators, why can’t the police set up a sting and do the same thing. The public never said they want to watch the perverts get caught, they just want them caught. Now that the police have a blueprint for catching these bums, use it!
Posted by: tina coleman | September 7, 2007, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
You guys are not realizing what these people are doing. They are removing individuals that are hurting children. Why does it matter that they didn’t do it in the traditional sense. Apprently, the “traditinal” sense is not working. I bet if it was your child, no one will have an issue.
Posted by: Stephanie | September 7, 2007, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
I am so disappointed with the Datline story. Why so much concern for child molesters, people who would go through anything to get to a 13 year old boy or girl being removed from our streets and out of the reach of young children. I am thoroughly disgusted with the attitude. How many people has this District Attorney been responsibile for getting the death sentence. How many innocents and no one is so concerned. Are we really more interested in saving child molesters than having safe streets for everyone. Young black men being shot in the streets weekly and no outcry, only for child molesters who went to get the children. What a time we are living in.
Posted by: M M Marshall | September 7, 2007, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
ABC should be ashamed of themselves.
Posted by: Ken ( Chicago) | September 7, 2007, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
I just watched 20/20′s report and thought it smacked of jealousy and pettiness against dateline’s success. 20/20 did nothing more than to notify child predators that it is safe hunt children again. I am so disappointed in 20/20.
Posted by: Jared | September 7, 2007, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
NBC was going for rating and that is their job. What exactly are you doing. Defending the predators or going after your rivals. You just lost a viewer forever.
Posted by: Desmond | September 7, 2007, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
I find it appalling that the district attorney set free confirmed child molesters because of some disagreements with the police chief. Did he ever here of intent of the law? I believe legislators intent was to remove these criminals from society.THIS IS ANOTHER REASON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS A FARCE!
Posted by: D.NELSKI | September 7, 2007, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
I live in Dallas, Texas. ABC does not have all the facts in this case. Should we be sad that a pedophile took his life? I think not. It is one less person we have to house in our prison system, since pedophiles have yet to get the death penalty. In my personal politics I am a liberal, but when it comes to this kind of criminal I am a conservative. They don’t even deserve the death penalty via lethal injection. That is too easy on them. They should be put to death in the most painful manner that equals the pain they inflicted upon a child. That said, if ABC had been the original news organization to report and therefore expose this situation, and had the same outcome occured, some other news organization would have done the same to them. Let’s face it this is ABC’s way of trying to one up NBC. Why don’t we all quit making this a political/news issue and look at it for what it is. No matter how, what, when or where a pedophile is exposed and stopped, whomever does it should be commended. Yes, Perverted Justice and NBC have been criticized for their sometimes extreme and over the top methods. But in a time when this type of sickness permeates almost all apsects of each our lives, don’t we need extreme measures to exterminate it?
If Conradt was innocent, would he have taken his life? Why should law enforcement and the local judicial system be made to feel guilty, when an obvious guilty personn took their own life? They did there job to the best of their ability. Right or wrong, as to how it went down, in the end ONE LESS CHILD PREDATOR IS ON OUR STREETS.
Posted by: dh | September 7, 2007, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
I can’t believe that ABC would think that airing this episode would somehow help the public. I am a mother and I worry everyday about who’s out there around my child. I support NBC and Chris Hansen 100% for what they’re doing and I hope they will continue to report these disgusting predators. If ABC wants to really help, they should also have a show like this because unfortunately, the reality of it is that there are alot more child predators out there still on the loose that need to be caught
Posted by: jlk | September 7, 2007, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ABC!!!!! WE WERE HOPING SOMEONE WOULD GET ON TO THIS STORY!!! From the beginning it seemed like the “predators” were lured, and excessively so!! Talk about a scarlett letter branding AND having to prove your innocence against an over zealous and commanding Piper of a NETWORK and an unknowing Mousey CITY. To Catch a Predator WAS AN ABSURD, ENTIRELY UNAMERICAN AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL SHOW. THANKS ABC FOR COVERING THIS!!!!
Posted by: Alex and Allison | September 7, 2007, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
I can’t believe that this is what you devoted your time on tonight’s show to expose. So many other pedophiles out there, you too can have your show as NBC does, but instead you try to bring them down for taking these people off our streets. DO ANY OF YOU HAVE KIDS???
Posted by: VERY ANGRY MOM | September 7, 2007, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Too bad Nifong got disbarred. Roach Nifong LLP could be a real legal powerhouse huh, ABC? You could team up and free child molesters all over the country. Think of the ratings!
Posted by: Carlos Machiste | September 7, 2007, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
First of all I 100% agree with everything that Dateline and the Murphy Police Department have done in their efforts to catch these disgusting people. Second of all I can not believe that Mr. Roach had the audacity to say that what Dateline and the Murphy Police were doing was unjust and unfair to men they were arresting. In reality what is unjust is letting these men get away with crimes they would have undoubtably committed if it had not been for the presence of Datline and thier crew. Lastly I think that ABC should be ashamed for even having that spineless moron, Mr. Roach on their show. Keep it up NBC!
Posted by: Phil S | September 7, 2007, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
ABC — GOOD FOR YOU FOR PROVIDING ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. THOSE PREDATOR WATCHERS ARE PRETTY SICK THEMSELVES TO BE WATCHING OTHER PEDOPHILES ON TV. TALK ABOUT HYPOCRITES AND PEDOPHILES! WHAT A JOKE THEY ARE.
Posted by: Sandra | September 7, 2007, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
I was angry that 20/20 would even attempt to attack the show “To Cath A Predator”. Shame on 20/20, find your own successful show, because you have made a non watcher of your show after your attack on NBC.
Posted by: sme | September 7, 2007, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
Why would ABC go after another network for exposing pedophiles? Are you jealous because NBC is doing a great service to American children and their families by pursuing these monsters and you wish you were? Maybe you should be doing something more investigative than attacking a competitive station. Did the district attorney who shot himself do so because he was caught and couldn’t face it? If he was innocent, I highly doubt he would have done it. As sad as it is for his family, I wonder how many children and their families were spared the horrors of such abuse and years of having to live with it? Could Roach be a pedophile? Is that why he has chosen NOT to prosecute any one who came to the house and yet is so against what the police, Dateline and Chris Hansen are doing? Pedophilia needs to be exposed and stopped. It occurs far too often and hurts far too many. You, ABC should be ashamed of yourselves for not having a better story to investigate, especially when there are so many things going on in this world. Next you’ll be investigating why Katie Kouric went to Iraq! Maybe you need new producers with some new ideas if you want to win the ratings war.
Posted by: pat | September 7, 2007, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
I have nothing but praise for NBC and Chris Hansen for having this series. If it detures one pedophile from meeting a child I say “Good Deal”. I work for a Sex Crimes Unit in a major city and it is sickening to hear some of the horor stories of the victims of these pedophiles who prey on minors. ABC News is in no position to critisizing another news agency when I see it’s affiate here in Detroit using shady and shifty investigative techniqes on a regular basis….
Posted by: Officer Roy Werth | September 7, 2007, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
When 20/20 can’t get ratings they go after NBC? And what series do they have again? Oh ya that ridiculous series that showed a brother and sister kissing! That’s get journalism!!!! Keep it on ABC News!
Posted by: Jay | September 7, 2007, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
I was angry that 20/20 would even attempt to attack the show “To Cath A Predator”. Shame on 20/20, find your own successful show, because you have made a non watcher of your show after your attack on NBC.
Posted by: sme | September 7, 2007, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
I am agast at 20/20, it is unbelievable how low you have went. I always enjoyed
your show, but to night I was disgusted at your outright jealousey and bitterness toward a show that has been successful. I don’t plan to watch anymore. The man killed himself because he was about to be exposed. He must of been a predator, or why would he kill himself.
I am so disappointed in your show!
There is so much more wrong in the world that you could of went for.
Posted by: Bev | September 7, 2007, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Wow, I can’t believe in any day or age that we, the people, would help justify the molestaion of children. Patriot act??? What are we doing in the “Justice System” today?? ABC–Are you so envious of NBC for their coverage/enlightenment ?? Grow up and do what’s right.
Posted by: smooch | September 7, 2007, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
20/20…wow, if someone had only seen your show on this subject, you would have been convinced that Dateline was the criminal. Your story was so incredibly one sided that I am now calling into question all the other stories on 20/20. I am truly interested in what you are withholding from those stories as well. You barely mentioned the hundreds of other successful prosecutions in other states by multiple (as in more than 10) other police departments and DA’s. Not ONE of them had any problems. Yet, your story spent 99% of the time talking about Texas and giving the false belief that how this one DA felt is the norm instead of the exception.
Finally, you actually tried to build a sympathetic case for the sister of Conradt. Conradt shot himself b/c he was going to be arrested for his crimes. That fact Dateline was there with cameras and encouraged the arrest (if that is in fact what happened…unfortunately, who really knows what is true in your story) is irrelevant. I didn’t know that people who commit felonies should be arrested with dignity…esp. felonies against kids. Conradt sister is sueing Dateline b/c they encouraged the arrest of a pedophile. WHAT??? So, if the police arrest a CRIMINAL and the CRIMINAL commits suicide, it is someone elses fault???? Tell his sister that only person she needs to blame is her brother. See…innocent people don’t commit suicide to hide their crimes. HINT, HINT.
20/20…you crossed the line. Consider your news and 20/20 boycotted.
(p.s. Take a look at the other posts…70% are pro dateline. Sounds like 20/20 is jealous they aren’t Dateline. You have confirmed you are second tier when compared to Dateline)
Posted by: Getemoffthestreets | September 7, 2007, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
I think most of the above comments supporting NBC sum up my feelings on this topic. The DA and the police should be catching the pedophiles, but obviously they aren’t, and they don’t seem to have a clue where to look for them – pedophiles live in hiding among us. I have to wonder just how many of the comments made against NBC’s show are made by pedophiles. I think ABC
wanted to capitalize on this and knew they would get support from many viewers who would have reason to support them.
Posted by: James S | September 7, 2007, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
I’m sorry, but I have never seen such a pathetic program as the 20/20 episode attempting to discredit To Catch a Predator. The fact that almost every pervert who tries to seduce a minor must be thinking that they may end up on national television has to be an extremely effective deterrent to this type of behavior. I do not recall a more positive impact that one television program has had, particularly with respect to protecting children. The fact that a Texas prosecutor could not secure convictions with such clear evidence is simply unbelivable. This segment was disappointing. I hope that all the networks will follow Dateline’s lead in producing responsible and effective programming.
Posted by: Clay | September 7, 2007, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
NBC’s show “to catch a predator” has kept some of our children from being victims. It sure is a scary world when it is so easy to get so many child abuser on camera. It makes you wonder who among our aquantance or molesters. This program brings this problem to our attention. Let’s not hide it under the rug and protect these sick people. Our children need our protection.
Thank you NBC
Posted by: Diane | September 7, 2007, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
I guess 20/20 agrees with child predictors!!! That was the most ridiculous show I have ever seen! oh and by the way, if someone killed himself because the media was outside, he obvious was guilty, maybe of much more then we know….so his sister needs to stop trying to make money off his death! it was a choice to talk to a boy and it was a choice to kill himself, why slander dateline? you guys should be ashamed. They have way more to pick on you for! I will definitely speed the word of this ridiculous report when their are more important issues in the world, like the war. Good luck!
Posted by: Rachel | September 7, 2007, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
It is at times like tonight that I am ashamed to say that I am a Texan. What I saw tonight on 20/20 was a slam show. ABC you are upset that NBC had such a ratings booster before you.
This whole Murphy Texas Sting was an excellent idea from the first step until, NBC/Perverted Justice left Murphy. Then the Sting went to HELL. WHY? Because after the wonderful work of Law Enforcement the DA decided that he wanted to enforce the We Don’t Do Show Business idea. Instead of worrying about what he should have been concerned with. Prosecuting 24 Pedophiles.
There has been no other jurisdiction in the US that has not been able to bring a Winnable case from what Perverted Justice gives as evidence. Mr. Roach you should be ashamed of yourself. You have released 24 Pedophiles back into our communities to continue where they left off.
Posted by: Leaving Texas with head hanging down in shame | September 7, 2007, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Conradt obviously was a long time pedophile with many issues, where was his sister then?
Posted by: JPerk76 | September 7, 2007, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
ABC should be ashamed of themselves for defending these scum of the earth predators. What’s the matter, sorry you didn’t think of the idea first? Instead of bashing NBC you should be trying to help law enforcement get these vile creatures off the street.
As for Conradt. HE took his own life. There would be no other reason for him to do so except GUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!. Thank the Lord there is one less maggot on the planet.
I guess if ABC had their way they certainly would not want to violate the rights of the predators.
Posted by: Parke | September 7, 2007, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
20/20, not getting very good reviews on this show. This has got to be a first for you, Brian Ross. If there was a point to this ‘story’ you better start explaining it. Looks like most of us out here just don’t like pedophiles. Go figure!
Posted by: j carroll | September 7, 2007, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
It really bothers me that people are willing to forego a criminal trial and convict people on the basis of witnesses who have every motivation to manufacture evidence. Perverted Justice gets paid $70- 100,000 per episode. Their cases are getting tossed out and juries are deadlocking and charges dismissed because the evidence can’t be authenticated or the witnesses aren’t believable. Yet Perverted Justice continues to claim a 100% conviction rate. People really need to step back and get control of their wits. Sure some of these people believed they were talking to children. But some didn’t. And if the DA can’t rely on the evidence, they have no business using Perverted Justice as the crux of their case. Leave it to the professionals.
Posted by: sally | September 7, 2007, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
ABC News has acted irresponsibly in airing this segment. I agree with those who suggest ABC is jealous that they didn’t come up with the idea for “To Catch A Predator” and is riding the coattails of its success to gain ratings. Ultimately, the choice to take one’s life is by definition up to that individual. Instead of suing NBC, et al. perhaps the sister of the suicidal ADA should apologize for her brother’s acts which have ruined the lives and innocence of countless children. It was an act of cowardice and another example from today’s society of someone not wanting to take responsibility his actions. Furthermore, I think using the term “vigilante” to describe PJ and other watchdog organizations is also irresponsible. Their actions are bringing internet crimes to light and providing a service to the communities where they are active. This medium provides some level of anonymity, but eventually, with or without NBC cameras rolling, some of these crimes will be perpetrated face-to-face with their victims, many times with consequences far more reaching and longer lasting than that of a bullet ending a life. If ABC wants to get in on the internet predator “sensationalism” how about providing therapy for and following the recovery of one of these predators’ young victims?
Posted by: Kenny | September 7, 2007, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Well i think that the guy who killed himself, his sister should be sued by every child who was molested and nothing was done about it, lets show them some semphaty ey!!! what can i say it sounds like she wants sympathy and she isnt getting it, wow maybe all that money she will get can buy her a new life, i hope she lives with guilt and cant sleep at night and this is speaking from a adult who was molested as a child!!!
Posted by: angie | September 7, 2007, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Every person on that has posted comments regarding this story that agrees with me that the To Catch A Predator show is one of the best shows on TV please flood the Queens College in NY College where Mr. Mankoff is employed as a sociologist letting them know that we will not tolerate them employing and allowing someone like Mr. Mankoff to teach our children that Sexual Predators are their friends. I don’t know where the hell this man gets his information and to tell you the truth I really don’t give a damn but I’m sure the parents of Jessica Lunsford, Polly Glass, Danielle VanDam, Samantha Runion would be more than glad to meet with him and give him the facts. This idiot is a disgrace and should not be allowed around children and spewing his sick, pathetic excuses for these sick lowlifes.
ATTENTION: QUEENS COLLEGE OF NY ADMINISTRATORS IT IS TIME FOR MR. MUNSOFF TO GO.
I would like to see Mr. Munsoff to provide one case where a convicted Child Predator has been reformed. PLEASE JUST ONE.
Posted by: Ronda | September 7, 2007, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
The obvious question to ask the Murphy prosecutor would be why were the DAs in all the other towns able to get convictions with the same evidence? The fact that Brian Ross didn’t ask makes me think he was more interested in slamming NBC than asking tough questions.
Posted by: John Randolph | September 7, 2007, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
I’m a resident of Murphy and I’ve seen first hand what Perverted Justice did in our community.
They swarmed our local Web forum and made horrible personal attacks on people who opposed the sting. The owner of the forum was forced to shut it down for several days, suppressing citizen discussion about an important local issue. On their own forum, Perverted Justice members routinely say they believe people who oppose them, such as the Mayor of our town and the Collin County District Attorney, should be “investigated” (by them) as likely pedophiles. At one time they talked about raising money to fund recall campaigns against local politicians who voiced their concerns. On many occasions they have literally crowed about the Condradt death as if it were something to celebrate. These people are blinded by their own cause and inflated by their own arrogance. You would not want them involved in your community.
Much worse, in my view, is the outright lie that your report contains, from none other than our own Police Chief. He was interviewed unexpectedly by your camera crew, outside City Hall in August just before a council meeting. You asked him where his department obtained Conradt’s phone number on the day of his death, and he replied “I don’t recall, probably from the local department.” Seconds later your report shows him on camera in a group of people including Hansen, while a member of the Dateline or Perverted-Justice group dictates the number in his hearing.
20/20 has every reason to raise the concerns it has, and I want to thank you for doing the citizens of Murphy a service. I’m a little disappointed, however, that much still remains to be told.
Posted by: Margaret Malone | September 7, 2007, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Shame on abc defending someone who obviously could have abused children. Why did he kill himself? In my opinion he knew that he was about to be caught. Hooray for Chris Hanson and NBC.
Very clever to put this story before two very intriging human interest stories. Were you hoping that people would be caught up in these stories and not take the time to respond to the bottom line that there is one less predator out there thanks to NBC? Mean while,I did not watch the rest of your program because I felt so strongly about defending Chris Hanson and NBC.
You need to look at the “big picture.”
Posted by: lbataille | September 7, 2007, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
My husband and I watched the program tonight and were absolutely appalled at ABC’s report. It seems to me that we have a lot of egos getting in the way of catching and convicting these pedophiles. ( DA, police, and obviously ABC ) As a mother , I am grateful to Dateline and Chris Hansen for helping to rid my neighborhood and our society of these sick individuals. As was stated in a previous blog: “A PEDOPHILE IS A PEDOPHILE IS A PEDOPHILE!” I will continue to support Dateline and Chris Hansen by tuning in each and every time the shows airs!
Posted by: Concerned parent | September 7, 2007, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Shame on ABC, what about the rights of these children who are the targets of these pedophiles. It sounds like this DA is a little suspect.
Posted by: Bill | September 7, 2007, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
How can we label someone who preys on children a victim? How can evidence of possession of child pornography not matter in a case against a predator? How can our “justice” system set free several guilty criminals who endanger our children?
I am disgusted by the idea that we seem more interested in protecting these sick perverts than we are the hundreds of children who are victimized, raped, kidnapped, and murdered every year to satisfy some sicko’s sexual fantasies. We would rather have them on the streets, continuing their crimes, because some can’t stand the thought that they were arrested on camera, or, God forbid, made to feel shame for what they did?
I am so tired of the “everyone deserves a second chance” mentality. Let’s give Bin Laden a second chance. Let’s give Manson a second chance. At what point do we say enough is enough and stop giving rights to the people who feel free to take those rights from innocent children who can’t defend themselves? At what point do we draw the line and say that a pedophile is no different from a murderer who takes the innocence and souls of the people they victimize?
I am grateful for the courage and determination of Chris Hansen and NBC. THEY had the guts to do something.
Posted by: JBN | September 7, 2007, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Shame on 20/20 and Murphy,Tx. It doesn’t matter whose in charge, what matters is these perverts are off the street. If the law enforcement is suppose to be doing it then why aren’t they? Maybe cause they’re too busy looking for the kidnapped children or the runaways or dealing with the raped child or investigating the killing of the child they found in the woods. As far as Datelines exxageration of questions & arrest of these pervs..they deserve what they get. These pervs deserve to be humilated, ashamed and they’re faces should be seen and what a better way then national TV. I’d much rather watch to Catch Predator then to watch another murder or missing child. Murphy, Tx made the worse mistake by letting those perverts go. God Bless the child that these people do finally get a hold of. I bet those parents, authorities & prosecutors will sing a differnt song then. As far as the Official who took is own life…sad, yes but he was desperate and had alot to hide it was more about tv crews being outside. It makes you wonder how many other Officials in Murphy have something to hide hence the reason why the went against Dateline.
Posted by: LISA | September 7, 2007, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
Alex says that the recidivism rate on sexual crime is low, but in reality the rate for pedophiles is one of the highest. This is not shoplifting! Every sexual act against a child is one child’s life ruined!
The Perverted-justice group is very careful with the evidence as has been proven every time one of these predators computer hard drives been searched. All of the other jurisdictions have had no problems getting convictions through these stings, why should this DA? Either he is incompetent or has a secret that he wants to keep hidden.
As for the reason that the cops have their guns drawn… Remember that Texas is a very gun friendly state where guns are as common as potato chips. The ADA who offed himself had one.. when one of these predators is cornered like a rat, they could very well become dangerous and attempt to shoot their way out. These guys are all being accused of felonies, all felony arrests are made at gunpoint. Don’t believe me, ask your local street cop.
20/20 just wishes they had done the story first, god knows they have no talent or ideas of their own. Their ratings are also embarrassing.
Posted by: Hamilton Wrye | September 7, 2007, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
If it weren’t for Dateline’s To Catch a Predator, the perverts whose cases the DA threw out would not have been confronted at all. Dateline is not a police force and is not required to uphold the same standards. It is Dateline’s job to provide the information to the public. It is the job of the police and district attorneys to gather the evidence and prosecute these demented individuals. If an inept prosecutor cannot find enough admissible evidence to prosecute an pedophile caught on video and through transcripts, that is not Dateline’s fault. Additionally, if it weren’t for the money that Dateline brings to fund these stings, many police forces would not have the money or means to orchestrate such events and catch these predators. Keep watching Dateline; you are helping fund a community service.
An aside note… Why is the deceased assistant DA’s sister suing Dateline and not the police department? MONEY! NBC has deep pockets. I doubt that this man knew that Dateline was outside waiting with their cameras to expose him in front of the nation. If he happened to look out his windows and see cameras, it is doubtful that he knew it was Dateline. It is arguable to say that he committed suicide to avoid any exposure of his private perversions.
Posted by: Chris | September 7, 2007, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
I have two children of my own, so therefore, I feel the program was an excellent idea. Why are we, as Americans, more concerned about the rights of the predators instead of the rights of our children. People are analizing the sting operations to figure out what the police department and NBC have done wrong instead of protecting my children. It is obvious, from the shows, that these people had every intention of doing something that would be unthinkable. If I am not mistaking, I am pretty sure I heard that everyone of these perverts got off some how. Is this it? Is this how it is all going to end? Am I the only one thankful that these perverts have to face their shame with their faces plactured all over the TV.
Posted by: Jenn | September 7, 2007, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
this could have all been handled diffently and not just for the cameras. when did Chris Hansen become the “chief of police”, “Attorney”, “Detective”???? why is HE calling all the shots and not the people trained to do their jobs??? ie…police, DA, investigators….
i know this is all for the cameras and i hope the next town that allow this will learn from this lesson. Bill Conradt may have been guilty, but we’ll never actually know for sure. we all need to let the judicial system do its job…not the TV cameras…
Posted by: paskel | September 7, 2007, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Well ABC i just registered on your website to say a few things then I will be done with you! Some of these wonderful people ahead of me have hit the nail on the head about you. You have just tried to get a leg up on the ladder before NBC starts a new season. Personally, I love what this dateline show does. I like the idea of these morons being exposed from different angles with cameras. Eventually these crimimals will be back on the street and people who might have been watching the show will have an idea of who they need to watch out for!!! I think it is nice to have a face to be watching out for when it comes to my little girl and I would hope that you people who are against NBC’s Show will realize that you need to think the same way if not wake up! I will from this point never watch another ABC show which is disheartening b/c I have watched many. I do agree w/another viewer that the only reason this poor assistant DA committed suicide was b/c of guilt. I think it is sad he did that but he CHOSE that path for himself. The police officers involved that have quit their job shame on you! You did something good getting predetors off the street. There should be no shame there! If your department is like most departments there is a understaff problem and people without the knowledge of the internet and knowledge of what to look for. Hold your head high get your job back and rock on! The District Attorney needs to be the one to resign and hang his head in shame. He just released these crimally, mentally ill, child molestors back on the street. So all you who are so against NBC’s program and so happy to agree with this crap from ABC watch out. Your daughter or son may be next. Your child may not be as lucky. They will fall prey without a “sting” being in place and they are like wild game being hunted. THANKYOU NBC YOU HAVE MY FAMILY’S LOYALTY. THANK YOU PERVERTED JUSTICE. THANK YOU CHRIS HANSON I WILL BE EMAILING OR BLOGGING YOU MY FULL SUPPORT. GOODBYE ABC AND ALL YOUR JUNK!!!!!!!! I HOPE TO CATCH A PREDATOR DATELINE WILL COME TO MY HOME TOWN ALSO KNOWN AS A MURPHY AND DO A SHOW. LET’S GET THESE PERVERTS OFF OUR STREET!
Posted by: H-H | September 7, 2007, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
“Lack of Control” That seemed to be the theme and multiple mentions by law enforcement and the DA. Maybe they are a little embarrassed that a team of teenagers, and young adults can assemble a better sting operation that is more effective than what the police can? Not in “Control”? Perverted justice gathers the evidence in a much more effective way than the police can and presents it for them to make the arrests. These aren’t accidents, that these sickos were caught. And I applaud all the law enforcement that cooperated and helped Dateline, and Perverted Justice get these sickos away from children!! ABC and Brian Ross should be ashamed of wasting airtime on this!!! The man who took his own life made a choice. His choice. Child molestation should not be allowed to occur before an arrest is made, however the punishment SHOULD fit the crime. An embarrassing moment on TV is hardly enough to compensate for the innocence and damage that can occur to children for a lifetime. The intent to relate with a child should be treated as an attempted rape!!! I have lost huge amounts of respect for ABC for even airing this show.
Posted by: Clay | September 7, 2007, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
I am appauled that ABC would take a stab at NBC for their “To Catch a Predator” show. They have caught hundreds of child predators. What is wrong with the justice system in this country when we are defending the predators? These sickos should have no rights. They choose to give up those rights when they pursued a minor in a sexual nature. The Assistant District Attorney knew he had been caught and he felt cornered. This sting operation could have had the same outcome even if the media had not been there. I think we are forgetting that this man shot himself (he is not a victim). The only reason the sister of the deceased man is sueing NBC and not the police department is to get as much money as possible. Watching this report tonight only made me angry that ABC is using this controversy as a forum to take a stab at the competition.
Posted by: Kristi Harold | September 7, 2007, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
At least NBC, Dateline, and Chris Hansen are doing SOMETHING to protect OUR children.
Posted by: Ron | September 7, 2007, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
As a mother, I applaud Dateline NBC for the work they did to bring awareness concerning sexual predators. I had no idea how common the problem of sexual predators is and think Dateline NBC did a great job of letting parents know what is happening and what they can do to protect their children. ABC should be ashamed for trying to bring down the competition (NBC) in what can only be described as “sour grapes”.
As far as Conrad (DA who took his life) is concerned, he was a grown man who took the cowardly way out instead of facing responsibilities for his actions. He alone is responsible for taking his life. The children that he had pornographic pictures of are the true victims…not the sister who is suing for money.
The district attorney John Roach, Conrad’s sister, and ABC should be embarassed by their actions. They are forgetting about the true victims…the children who are preyed upon. I had respect for Brian Ross before this story and enjoyed watching 20/20 in the past…not anymore. Shame on you all!
Posted by: Florida Mom | September 7, 2007, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Dateline is surely somewhat at fault. If you waive a bone in front of a dog, he will take it. The perverts take the bait which is waived by P.J. Their lives are destoryed (by a sexual meeting which never happens). Some punishment seems fair, but destorying their lives seem a bit extreme to me.
Posted by: Too much | September 7, 2007, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
If 20/20 wanted to do the real story, they would have interviewed attorneys that actually tried the cases. Several cases in Riverside County have gone to trial and several charges have been dismissed due to bad evidence.
The jurisdictional problems in Texas were that neither the suspects nor the decoys were located in the county where the arrest took place. The warrants served on Conradt were defective. His case would have been tossed out too.
I think people calling someone a criminal when the prosecutor couldn’t prove the case are living in the wrong country. Perhaps they should go back to 1970s U.S.S.R. Our Constitution gives us the right to have a trial where the state has to prove our guilt on the basis of solid evidence before sending us to prison. Not shoddy evidence manufactured by a bunch of vigilantes that are bent on revenge and a television show that makes big bucks off advertising to a voyeristic audience.
Posted by: Sally | September 7, 2007, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
what is wrong with people we need to be very thankful for dateline, and if someone kills themselves consider us to be lucky that person wont be chasing our kids or we wont pay more taxs to take these people to court for them to just get off free. i am thankful to dateline!
Posted by: cheryl benson | September 7, 2007, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
I am a law enforcement investigator in the mid-west. My department was specifically and repeatedly pressured by the Perverted Justice people as well as the local NBC affiliate. I argued over and over again that these tactics would only serve to embarrass people in an attempt to glorify the image of a law enforcement agency. Utilizing the media to conduct investigations that are this complicated and serious only serves to pressure police to perform quickly and to cut corners to get the “Big Story” out. Cutting corners usually results in cases not being filed, embarrassment, and most importantly failure to serve the crime victim. In addition, the law in my area does not allow the use of non law enforcement personnel to act in the deceptive position that the PJ staff did. While I am an advocate for the protection of children, I have always felt that the NBC / PJ / Law Enforcement relationship was very shallow and minimizing to those who are victims of these crimes as well as to those who spend their lives properly pursuing these criminals. I am surprised that the participating Law Enforcement agencies did not recognize the “Red Flags” with Perverted Justice early on. Commentaries posted on the PJ web site by the PJ staff were provocative, foul, and antagonistic. This organization, good intentions aside, should have developed a professional and mature presentation to avoid the skepticism that most law enforcement agencies apparently had with them. I must believe that most all involved started with good intentions, for that they should not be criticized. The criticism should be focused on the lacking ability to remember who they were working for. Thank you for bringing this story to the public. This should be an example for those people who confuse TV police drama with what it really takes to get the job done right.
Posted by: Phil | September 7, 2007, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
This story was absurdly slanted and clearly a cheap shot at a competitor. I have no respect left for 20/20. You are defending predators who would harm children? NBC is trying to make a difference and has done more to warn parents and the public about the danger of predators than any other show.
The corruption in Murphy should be investigated – use your resources for that instead. Check your facts. There is no reason the DA should have left these men walk. Check out the interview on Dateline’s web-site with another DA in TX with more experience in these matters.
Posted by: Lisa | September 7, 2007, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
I am very dissapointed in 20/20 and the DA that dropped all the cases against these dispicable men. The state of Texas clearly has a law stating that they dont even have to show up they only have to contact over the internet and it is a crime yet the charges were dropped against these people. I dont understand most of the people on the show saying they do not agree with the way these were handled. WEll let their children be contacted by one of these criminals and see how fast they change their tune. I am glad that all of those mens faces were shown on TV nationally and do I care if it ruined their lives? Not at all, how about the lives of children they have ruined. Do i care that a coward took the easy way out and killed himself? No, he did the crime and should have done the time and shame on his Family for trying to lay blame at somebody elses door. She should be ashamed of herself.
Posted by: Joanne | September 7, 2007, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
I BRRIAN ROSS AND THE REST OF 2020S CREW FOR THEIR ATTUDE ONCOMPLETLY APALLED AT ABC REGARDING NBC TOCATCH A PREDATOR I FULLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKEE OTHERS MAY SAY THEM TO HELP CATCH THESE PREVERTS AND KEEP THEM FROM HARMING MY CHILDREN AS WELL AS THEIRS THANK YOU NBC KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK NO MATTER WHAT
Posted by: ETTA | September 7, 2007, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
The main purpose of the Dateline show was to make the public / parents aware of the magnitude of the problem of child web predators. Dateline’s first show had no arrests! It was public out cry that demanded police involvement from that point onto present! Brian Ross and 20/20 should be ashamed at their excuse of trying to get ratings for their failing show by riding on the coat tails of Dateline.
Posted by: Daniel | September 7, 2007, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
I have never been so disappointed in ABC, until tonight. I have been a loyal news watcher since I can remember from Good Morning America to World News to Local News. However, after tonight I will never watch any news channel again on ABC. How could anyone on you watch them when they put on programs like the one tonight? Basically, they stood up for the “little guy”…or preditors to most of us HUMANS. It doesnt matter how these disgusting animals were caught….THEY WERE CAUGHT THANKS TO NBC. Bottom Line: Jealousy. ABC instead of doing stories on your competition…get out there and show everyone what is the right way to catch these guys…from all your researching for this story BRIAN ROSS you are the expert now on what it takes to report on these guys…cant wait to HEAR about your “TO CATCH A PREDITOR” story in the near future.
Posted by: dee | September 7, 2007, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
i don’t think NBC did anything wrong, and i don’t think they should be held accountable for that man killing himself after all he engaged in the sexual solicitation of a child. and i think his sister is trying to bring the focus off what her brother was doing and trying to say her brother was a victim of a TV show sting but her brother knew what he had did wrong and that is why he killed himself. he just didn’t want to face justice also have to say shame on you 20/20 for trying to say that what NBC did was wrong. i am a mother of 2 and a justice studies Major applaud what Chris Hanson was trying to do and to show America how wide spread these people are and that they come from all walks of life and in your show you failed to mention that some of these guys arrested were already convicted sexual offenders.
Posted by: dch | September 7, 2007, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Is this really what it’s come to? The news media has actually become the news? I think ABC has sunk to a new low. I’ve been very disappointed in the exploitive news stories that ABC has chosen to pursue lately. I normally watch Good Morning America in the morning but I think I need to start looking around. Is Brian Ross really the best you’ve got?
Posted by: Mike | September 7, 2007, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Darlene wrote:
WHAT? Have you not SEEN the show? Most of these men are not only familiar with the show – they have also questioned whether or not they were heading into a sting – and went anyway.
To Darlene – exactly, you have emphasized the point. Recidivism. These men are dangerous, and Dateline is exposing them and stopping them.
If it was not Dateline meeting them – it might have been a real child they went to meet.
Posted by: Lisa | September 7, 2007, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
I as the mother of 2 daughter’s cannot believe that 20/20′s Brian Ross & abc would stoop so low as you did when reported on the “To Catch a Predator” story that nbc did.
I see nothing but jealousy on your part & concern & effective effort on nbc’s part.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves and be asking who are the real professional’s here?
Posted by: D. Brown | September 7, 2007, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
I think its pretty bad for ABC to do this story about to catch a predator…Dateline is at least trying to help stop child predators and informing parents what is going on out there…Never heard of such things until NBC showed these shows….What is ABC doing? I mean really give me a break, because of Dateline this man committed sucide..in my mind he knew what was going to come out….no pity …
Posted by: Pat | September 7, 2007, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Chris Hansen is a monster. Cheers for ABC’s investigations. NBC should be shamed. Entrapment, public humiliation, and no cases resulting but lives lost and destroyed. ABC has done an important community service. I suspect that one day we will learn that Chris Hansen is like those right wing Republican politicians that protest too much and are later revealed to be the lowest of the low.
Posted by: BKrik | September 7, 2007, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
I was very disappointed in your so called ‘reporting’ on the “To Catch a Predator” series. You come across as defending these perverts just to make NBC look bad. It feels more like a network vs. another network rather than a real news worthy story. One rich, well to do, important person was caught doing something horribly wrong and happened to kill himself before he was arrested and now it’s a BIG story. It makes me wonder Why? It makes me wonder if ABC is getting something out of this? Maybe NBC should do a story about that? I’ll never watch 20/20, Nightline, or any other ABC News show until something is done to make up for this absolutely pathetic report.
Posted by: JM | September 7, 2007, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
i think it’s grest that this is being done. i just don’t understand why the men had to be thrown on the ground and screamed at when just about everyone of them put their hands up instantly. they all should be locked up for good. thank you chris hansen
Posted by: jim | September 7, 2007, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
I have never felt the need to respond to anything I have ever seen on TV before but I am so LIVID about this segment. The smug satisfaction this network has shown in shaking their finger at a competitor is nothing but a joke–And, to do it at children’s expense, is beyond tasteless. I mean did it never dawn on them that because they are in competition with NBC that their motivation could not, should not, help but be questioned? I am a long-time viewer of 20/20 but I will never watch this program again. And, I truly feel sorry for the sister of the man who shot himself but I shed not one tear for him…I cry for the child he no doubt victimized before he CHOSE to take his own life.
Posted by: Lola | September 7, 2007, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
This whole bit on 20/20 was ludicrous!! Any child predator should be locked away.
Yea for Dateline!!!
Posted by: Patti Kelly | September 7, 2007, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
I have a blog where I have a feature I occasionally run called Sex Offender of the Day. Last year a group called Roar for Freedom and another group SO Hopeful complained to my hosting company because I was making the community aware of child molesters, with a focus on those working in retail establishments and living in campgrounds etc.
They had my blog taken down. It’s now back up, but they claimed I was inciting vigilantism and bombarded the hosting company with thousands of emails. Being spineless, the host took down my blog. I know host it myself.
The intent of these two groups is to appeal Megan’s Law, which requires registries of sex offenders in each state. They are sick people and the recidivism rate is amongst the highest of any crime.
Hat’s off to Chris Hansen and Dateline. The internet is the child molesters trolling ground and Dateline is making them aware that *someone* is watching.
Posted by: AWB | September 7, 2007, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
I can’t believe that as fellow journalists 20/20 would hang Dateline out to dry. It’s not as if Dateline or Perverted Justice forced the Murphy police department to follow their lead. Law enforcement agencies constantly rely on witnesses and information provided by civilians to aid in investigations and make arrests. Why is the Dateline case any different?
Posted by: Tamara | September 7, 2007, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
As one who lives in Collin County (where the city of Murphy is located), I just want to say that the DA is the District Attorney for Collin County, he’s not the “Murphy DA” or the “Murphy County DA” and he IS a Texas state DA – just wanted to throw that out there…the rest of my thoughts on the matter are no one else’s business but mine, but just wanted to correct some misinformation from the posters here
Posted by: Viewer | September 7, 2007, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
I say this to all who wrote negative comments: Just let one of your children and/or relatives (neice/nephew/cousin/etc) happen to them as we have known that these predators get to as some have admitted to harming…then you will wonder why Chris (my hero) and NBC didn’t come to YOUR neighborhood and intercept them!
I noitce that the other cities wre all too happy to get the perverts off the streets and the other cities DA were able to get the convictions to stick!
If that stupid DA let ALL his criminals go, it was his fault not NBC or Chris’s. I guess that where he lives, he probably lets all the drug dealers go too!
Posted by: Jonin Ray | September 7, 2007, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
ABC has lost credibility in my book by slamming the Dateline series on catching pedifiles. I think they did a service to the community. The police do not have the man power to go after these vermin and when someone else does you question them? I think the DA should be tossed out on his ear for not procecuting them to the fullest. And as for the sister that is filing a suit against Dateline for supposedly causing her brothers death-give me a break. Has she thought about maybe they have saved the lives of many kids that he could have ruined their lives.
It seems that all of our laws are written to protect the guilty anymore. I say-put all of those sickos on a deserted island and also the ones that defend them and let them abuse each other for the rest of their lives..
Posted by: Regina | September 7, 2007, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
20/20, your presentation deeply failed to show the laws that were broken by Police and Dateline in setting up these stings. I found your presentation sensationalized without substance. I am left to wonder what 20/20′s personal interest is in trying to convince the public to feel bad for these sexual predators that were “set up”. Nice try but you have come out looking like the “Sicko” on this one.
Posted by: Kraig | September 7, 2007, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
How dare you run a show on how wrong “To catch a a predator” is, if they hadn’t caught these guys they could have been meeting up with my young daughter or son at that time. I can’t believe you, finally someone tries to bring these predators to the public eye and you try and make the good guys look bad…SHAME ON YOU! With all these other shows out there that exploit people and this the one you want to pick apart…ABC, Thanks for showing how much you care about our young girls and boys by defending the predators.
Posted by: Evelyn | September 7, 2007, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
The “sour grapes” comment hit the nail on the head. Had ABC been 1st to approach Perverted Justice they would have a hit show, would be responsible for exposing hundreds and educating millions. I guess they think, “If you can’t join them, beat them”. 20/20 came off looking like whiners.
As for Roach. Did anyone else notice him contradict himself? He said there was no need for those arrested to come to the house, the chat was the crime. Then he bashes Murphy police for going to arrest child porn collector Conradt at his house for..wait for it… having the chat. Police knew Conradt was deleting evidence. They acted quickly and efficiently, even getting 2 arrest warrants from 2 separate judges.
NBC and Dateline are making a difference. If they earn millions at the same time, then more power to them. That will help them continue to do fine fine work. As far as Perverted Justice getting paid, they are paid for their services and it is NOT a quota system. If zero men showed up, they pay is the same. Perverted Justice does these stings either individually or with law enforcement all the time without Dateline and don’t get a dime for those stings. The same evidence has been used to convict over 200 predators with and without Dateline. The same evidence will continue to be used. I can not wait until the 20 plus predators that Roach let walk free are convicted. Roach needs to get out of the justice system. He gives it a bad name.
Posted by: Carel | September 7, 2007, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
Thank you 20/20 for showing us americans how our justice system is BROKEN and my congratulations goes out to the prosecuter who helped those 20 men go free good job. Now we see were our justice system is really broken! I am not crazy about the show but I am behind them 100% on catching these perverts they should not be on the street and they do deserve to be humiliated on national TV. who cares about the fine print on what the police did or did not do! They got caught with there hands in the dirt they should be in jail. The police should not be getting investigated this is obsured! we need to put a stop on these prosecuters who are not doing whats in the BEST interest of the society or the community.
Posted by: Andrea | September 7, 2007, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
I am usually a huge fan of ABC but was astonished at the episode of 20/20 tonight. Talk about sour grapes!! Seems ABC is a little bitter that NBC’s series has gotten so much national attention.
First of all, I don’t see the problem with smaller police departments using other groups in their investigations whose sole purpose is to catch pedophiles. Brian Ross kept talking about the police department using “PJ’s transcripts” and Dateline’s “video footage” – police departments use other resources all the time! Unfortunately, in smaller towns such as Murphy, TX, there are usually not special units assigned specifically to sex crimes. Not all police departments are as big or as well funded as, say, New York City’s. Without Dateline arranging sting operations in these smaller towns, chances are these predators would have continued soliciting minors because the resources just aren’t in place to stop them.
Secondly, how about putting a stop to the pity party ABC is throwing for the ADA who shot himself. To even insinuate that he committed suicide because police and camera men were at his home is shameful. He was obviously a sick man who made his mind up to do this long before Chris Hansen showed up. If his sister is awarded ANY money in her suit against NBC, I certainly hope she plans to donate every cent to a children’s charity or victim’s rights group.
And shame on you, ABC, for allowing your bruised ego to attack the worthwhile reporting done by a rival network.
Posted by: Stacy | September 7, 2007, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Looks like ABC is riding the coat tail of NBC’s public awareness programs. But then the Murphy prosecutor says not at all seeking media attention. Hmmm. Is he using ABC?
It is obvious that the police were in charge. What difference did it make that Chris had the telephone number? It was the police officer who made the phone call. The assistant prosecutor is not the first pedophile to committ suicide when discovered. He knew what he had done. The news media would have picked up the story if he had been arrested; regardless of where he was arrested.
I expected some stronger evidence against NBC, but ABC had a weak case but for some reason decided to go ahead and show it. NBC wins this one by a landslide.
Posted by: Jim | September 7, 2007, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
I am disgusted beyond words at 20/20 for its reporting on the Dateline “To Catch a Predator” shows. Your segment portrayed the Dateline child molesters as victims and will certainly be viewed by these scum as a show of support. Dateline has undoubtedly prevented countless molestations and saved many children from a living hell. ABC is obviously upset over the shows ratings and their own inability to produce a show that is informative while making our world safer for our children. To sell out the safty of our kids to improve ratings is certainly bottom of the barrell journalism. It will be very difficult to take 20/20 seriously in the future.
Posted by: Mike | September 7, 2007, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
I for one am grateful for people like Chris Hansen from NBC. It is people like him that make a difference in our pathetic country that is going downhill fast. So what if the cops get a little fame out of it. Does anyone really care as long as they are taking a pedophile off the streets for a short time. I feel that if the powers that be would do their jobs instead of trying to just look important, we may not need to broadcast these sick jerks all over TV.
I feel bad for the sister of the gentleman that killed himself but he never should have been involved in something like this in the first place.
He is a sick jerk just like the rest. I don’t understand how she thinks she should be able to sue NBC over this.
Get real America, How would any of us feel if it were one of our children? ourselves.
Posted by: Joyce | September 8, 2007, 12:01 am 12:01 am
I feel no sympathy for pedophiles. Neither do i feel any sympathy for their families who try to justify what they do. Rather than thinking of the families of these men who feel victimized by NBC, how about focusing on the families of potential victims that NBC has helped by making them more aware that pedophiles ARE out there?
Posted by: cj | September 8, 2007, 12:04 am 12:04 am
ABC and 20/20 should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder how they would feel if one of these released perverts would contact their child or grandchild.
Another case of the legal system
protecting the criminal and not the
innocent children. Perverted Justice and NBC are the only ones that have the
guts to go after these slime balls. As far as the Assistant District Attorney that killed himself, what a coward and an embarrassment to his family and profession. If his sister receives any money from this, she should donate it to the National Hotline for abused and neglected children. I applaud NBC, Perverted Justice and all the police agencies that have worked to put these sick creeps behind bars. It will be interestsing to see if anyone that was
released in Texas is caught again or even worse are able to contact a child and finish the job they inteded to do the first itme around. Hopefully they will not contact anyone that is a member of the ABC family. ABC, and the legal officails that spoke against the NBC Sting should be ashamed of themselves and start protecting the innocent and not the criminals.
I hope NBC will continue to go after these creeps and catch more scum in their trap. Keep up the good work NBC.
I think from the posts that your 20/20 story has failed and I am glad.
Judi
Posted by: Judi | September 8, 2007, 12:06 am 12:06 am
I am concerned and alarmed by the overwhelming support of Chris Hansen and Perverted Justice. Somehow, we have lost perspective. Should sexual pedophiles be apprehended and prosecuted? Absolutely! But, not in this disheartening and sickening display…my guess is that some of these predators were once molested, as well. Besides, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? What happened to the Miranda Rights, which should have been given to these suspects? MANY lives are being ruined for tv ratings. Sad…
Posted by: Steve Preece | September 8, 2007, 12:13 am 12:13 am
I was disgusted at the story that Brian Ross and ABC aired. It sure seemed as though the 20/20 report had plenty of sympathy for the pedophile who shot himself. Perhaps Mr. Ross and those who decided to do this story have never been molested by a pedophile. If so, you would spend your time applauding Chris Hanson and NBC for doing whatever it takes to get these evildoers away from society who steal the very innocent soul of the children that they attack. While I have some sympathy for the family of the man who committed suicide – it is more because they have to bear the shame of his perverted lifestyle rather than his suicide. My opinion is the world would be better off if all child molesters committed suicide.
Posted by: Kelsey | September 8, 2007, 12:14 am 12:14 am
It’s amusing that people believe what they see on television is “clear evidence” of a crime.
Posted by: sally | September 8, 2007, 12:14 am 12:14 am
No one likes pedophiles but there are rules that law enforcement must follow to have successful prosecutions. The ends do not justify the means and watching the outtakes you see Dateline is really driving the way these encounters happen. I’m a newspaper photographer I can not instruct the subject I’m photographing to perform in any manor that he or she would not do themselves, clearly Dateline was instructing law enforcement what they wanted and is actually paying for a group to set up the sting operation and that’s unethical. To say the ABC is jealous about an NBC show is just silly statements from people who really don’t know much about the media. The fact that ABC News took on this story about NBC News really took some guts because it not the normal roll for TV, usually newspapers and magazines play that watch dog roll. The fact is many people in the news media are very uncomfortable with what Dateline is doing because it appears they are running this sting operation even paying an outside group instead of following a police operation as they perform their duty their own way.When Chris Hansen is talking to a suspect is he in the roll of a journalist or agent of the police? The whole performance is really just for TV. We all want these people arrested but don’t let your emotions get the better of you, we need good police work not a TV farce. Look at America’s Most Wanted, they play by the rules letting the police operate the encounters. 20/20 just laid out the facts as given by the prosecutors and the police in Texas the story was very balanced and fair. Media should be allowed to cover police operations when they can but the police should be running the whole show not NBC.
Posted by: JPM | September 8, 2007, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Your show A Sting Gone Bad was stupid.
Dateline is doing much more to protect our children than any of your shows.
Showing some stupid and lamentable weak prosecutor (John Roach) as your main character was disgusting.
And some cops saying (let us do our job:which is not catching anything but doughnuts)is deplorable.
Posted by: Richard | September 8, 2007, 12:18 am 12:18 am
to j carroll – the Perverted Justice people who work the stings are volunteers, they don’t get paid. And the only cases dismissed were these Murphy cases, and from what Dateline says that may change.
Posted by: Lisa | September 8, 2007, 12:20 am 12:20 am
As decent moral citizens of this great country we must unite against immorality no matter what form it takes. To standby while the Collin County District Attorney John Roach, ABC and William Conradt’s sister Patricia attempt to manipulate the laws and add to the perversion of our countries ethics is like handing our children a death sentence. How many children must suffer and die in the most perverted and grotesque manner, as in the recent case of a poor Florida girl who was sexually assaulted, tortured and then buried alive. To hear the prosecutors details of this horrible and cruel case leaves no doubt that our judicial system is flawed. With more of these types of crimes escalating each year, punishment must be swift and fatal or we will continue to see an increase. I am encouraged to see media like Dateline provide their own resources to support in the apprehension of these potential killers. We all have to ask just what are you and Patricia hiding Mr. Roach?
Posted by: Pete | September 8, 2007, 12:22 am 12:22 am
THERE ARE NO WORDS FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR…YOU OWE CHRIS HANSEN AND DATELINE A PUBLIC APOLOGY!! USE YOUR ENERGY TO ESTABLISH A WAY TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN YOURSELVES!!
Posted by: Angela | September 8, 2007, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Pedophiles are the scum of the earth, but after reading these comments, I’m more worried about millions of people like you than a few pedophiles.
Most of you are cheering that a human being is dead. All on the ACCUSATION that he’s a child molestor. And when did that become a capital offense? I understand the emotion — most parents would kill or die to save their children. But it instills a thinking that anything is permissable if it helps the children.
The death penalty is rare for a reason. Law enforcement is human, they make mistakes. And death is permanent. Just imagine if I were falsely accused of being a child molestor: one of you people would probably pick up a gun, murder me, and feel good about it. THAT’s scary.
You people justify your bloodlust for this man on the knowledge that he was probably guilty. PROBABLY. One thing was for sure. His life was over — even if he was innocent. Arrests are front page headlines. The acquittal is buried on page 16. Ever think that THAT was the motivation for his suicide?
He may have been a criminal. He may have been in need of serious mental treatment. But he didn’t deserve to die.
Take a good, long look at yourselves people.
Posted by: Andrew | September 8, 2007, 12:23 am 12:23 am
How can a TV station be so ignorant? Ignorant to getting these perverts off the street, ignorant to taking pleasure in at least one smart TV station doing something right…hint, hint, hint ABC and 20/20, get a real job. And for that Collin County, Texas DA…where are your $%%% man? Are you from Texas? You are a shame to the State of Texas. What you have done is totally WRONG! You know that in reviewing cases, if necessary, you can find anything to discredit a case. Insufficient evidence? What do you want..them in the actually performing for you? You also know that the Murphy PD has been kissing your backside in this ordeal to get you to prosecute and you still refuse, why? Uh, do you need glasses? Are you so old you can’t make a rational decision? Who are you really protecting? What does it take to see that a criminal came to a house for a specific reason and it wasn’t for a birthday party or to sell magazines subscriptions? How much more evidence do you need? You made up your mind before the situation took place and it shows. Who cares if it is show business, it’s also the judicial business! Are you related to that Conradt in some fashion? Who in their innocent, professional, right mind sends a picture of their private parts to a 13 year old boy?
As for those two ex-police officers, what happened to fit and trim and could that tie be a little shorter? What were your roles in this? You blame everyone else but you are no longer working for the PD, right?… Were you in charge of this ordeal and screwed it up, just what were your official ranks and duties in this ordeal…such professional goat chasers? You are angry with the PD for their actions against you in this case and this is your vengeance, right?
As for the City Manager who ended up resigning…get your job back! You and the Police Chief did a service to your community! Now the disservice is that every pedophile knows they can reside in Collin County or even Murphy, TX without having a fear of prosecution. Also, what type of governmental entity would let anindividual resign on the basis of this programming…a weak and ill-fated bunch of characters I’d say!
ALL for the PD who wanted to get these sick-minded, child chasing individuals off the streets. MURPHY, TX…BRAVO, DATELINE…BRAVO!!!
Posted by: Murphy Grandmother | September 8, 2007, 12:25 am 12:25 am
The, umm… (paid?) “reactionary geniuses” in the comments section amuse me, in a somewhat macabre and cynical fashion. If you’re in this category, here are a few hobbies to occupy your time :
- look up actual DHHS statistics on the perpetration of violence against children and youth.
- look up the laws in your state and find out if a runaway can stay at a domestic violence shelter.
- type the phrase “incest exemption laws” into a search engine.
- find out what happened to HR 2382 in 1999.
- find out what happened to HR 3582 in 2006.
…etc. We have ample surplus on bread and circuses, but they appear to be very much getting in the way of real solutions.
I hold everyone supporting this spectacle of entertainment as equally responsible as the legislators, and as the perpetrators. It is, after all, their morbid urge to watch bloodsport in the arena of television that let these things grow without solutions.
Shame on you.
Posted by: Edward | September 8, 2007, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Perverted Justice does an awesome job. If you have ever gone to their website you can read the chat logs that they have had with sexual predators. The chat logs are disgusting but Perverted Justice DOES NOT entrap these people that troll the internet for sex with young people. If law enforcement agencies took a few lessons from the people who work at Perverted Justice, I suspect the number of convictions of sexual predators would go up. As far as Mr. Roach goes, if he is not in the business of show business then why did he agree to appear on 20/20? He should be disbarred for his actions. I am also very disappointed with Brian Ross as well as ABC. I used to respect your work–but this truly makes me question what your point is in trashing the people who are actually doing something about a significant problem in our society. I like the fact that Dateline televises this program so that people can be made aware that people we have been taught we can trust such as priests, rabbi’s, doctors, lawyers, D.A.’s, teachers, etc. engage in this type of behavior. Our society needs to wake up and see some of the terrible things that go on so we can do our best to protect our children. As far as Mr. Conradt, I realize his family is sad, however, for them to sue anybody because of HIS actions is despicable. Has anybody heard of personal responsibility? Keep up the good work Perverted Justice, NBC Dateline and Chris Hansen–I applaud you!
Posted by: Jill | September 8, 2007, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Murphy, Texas seems to have a high number of sexual preditors in it’s mist. I wish “Dateline” would come to my town and see what slithers out from under the rocks!
Posted by: Dar | September 8, 2007, 12:32 am 12:32 am
I am a police officer and I wish each police agency in the country could have the resources of NBC and Dateline at their disposal. We could protect children from being victimized instead of working to prosecute suspects after a child’s life has been forever changed. I agree that To Catch a Predator is disgusting but I think it’s disgusting because they are able to catch dozens of predators each show. If these predators were really as reclusive as some have commented, the show itself would virtually stop this behavior. Instead, they are able to catch numerous people each show and a good portion of the suspects say they have watched the show. Dateline has made many lives safer with To Catch a Predator, not only by catching the predators but by showing parents how much danger their kids can be in when they are unsupervised on the computer.
The biggest possible issue with prosecuting the cases shown on Dateline is finding an unbiased jury due to the popularity of the show. I think the District Attorney in Texas is just afraid to do his job.
Don’t be jealous of the popularity of the show ABC. I’m sure dateline wouldn’t be offended if you were to go after drug dealers or some other group of criminals in the same fashion. Don’t try to beat them, join them.
Posted by: Jerry | September 8, 2007, 12:36 am 12:36 am
I have a question. Exactly how many of you posting replies here are members of Perverted-Justice?
Posted by: CJ Black Widow | September 8, 2007, 12:40 am 12:40 am
To Catch A Predator is about the same
as Reno 911!!
Posted by: Dave Lister | September 8, 2007, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Conradt should’ve killed himself, one less perv my kids and I have to worry about!!!!!!!! I guess no one who works for ABC has children, if so how could you sympathize with a pervert like Conradt? Visit pervertjustice and take a look at the transcripts of Conradt soliciting sex from a 13 year old boy(there are phone conversations too). He is a pervert, and I hope he burn in hell with the rest of the child sex offenders. 20/20 your show has been boring me for a while, but you have giving me the perfect reason to know longer support it. Dateline is doing a magnificent job with there series, and it is a shame that you choose to have sympathy for the perverts instead of supporting your competitor(since you didn’t think of the idea first). I hope you find the success that you were looking for when you thought of this ridiculous comeback. Yours Truly, a former viewer
Posted by: a former viewer!!! | September 8, 2007, 12:41 am 12:41 am
I want to throw up after watching 20/20′s attempt to discredit Dateline’s “Catch a Predator”. I am embarrassed for you! Next time if you are trying to improve YOUR ratings why don’t you support all shows that help protect our children and maybe come up with such a clever program yourselves. Your show scares me now. I can’t believe your pathetic poor judgement. What predators are making the decisions at ABC?
Posted by: Lynn | September 8, 2007, 12:41 am 12:41 am
I can’t believe that ABC is taking a shot at NBC for the ‘To Catch a Predator’ shows. Some of the things they sight are just common sense, of course NBC wanted the interviews and of course they wanted to make things easier for thier crews to get the shots…they did have a show to edit and show to the public, but WHO CARES? The people that show up are predators and deserve to be exposed. Even if they don’t get all of the convictions they are helping to expose all predators and urging parents to monitor their children’s internet chat usage and that is what’s important. I can’t believe 20/20 would use the suicide of a guilty person as a platform to attack another network.
Posted by: Jason | September 8, 2007, 12:43 am 12:43 am
PJ(Perverted Justice) seems to have found them a cash cow in chasing alleged child molesters. Maybe in the beginning they had noble and good intentions, but then that green eyed devil took hold, and now they seem more like a business that something started for a noble cause. G-Strings, Jockey Straps with leud writings on them, underwear, tee shirts and other merchandise on their website for sale? Where does the money go?
Posted by: Green Eyed Devil | September 8, 2007, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Dateline should have a show, “How to Catch a Predator Priest.” Wow, wouldn’t that be Must-See-TV. NBC should investigate the church on all levels. Billions have been spent settling child molester cases because of pedophile priests.
Posted by: chris | September 8, 2007, 12:47 am 12:47 am
What escapes some of the rabid numbskulls here is that if you really want to catch a predator and keep him/her behind bars, then you don’t blow your case by bringing MSNBC into the picture. Police can have their own cameras and evidence gathering, and the MSNBCs can post their photos after they’ve been identified, and then not blow the case.
There’s nothing wrong with posting the photos of these predators online or on TV. Many of our states post information you can use to identify known sex offenders. And if they are trying to lure people in, what are they doing when people who are seeking this sort of activity get to see their methods?
Examine the case in England recently when, by not announcing their program, the cops busted one child pornographer and didn’t blow their own cover. They logged on his computer and went to locations on the web he’d been going and wound up catching 700 more predators. Why can’t you guys see that this is more effective?
All MSNBC is doing is running sensational gotcha TV and blowing cases along the way by interfering in the process. They can aid in other ways if they are genuinely interested in doing so. Instead of this gotcha material, why not examine how many convicted sex offenders are running our schools, teaching our kids, and driving our school buses.
Those of you who have such a good time watching it, or resort to simple memes about the guy in question, I hope you can see how many of these people get their cases tossed before they get to a jury. You are relishing the interference with the judicial process that could deal with this crime.
Posted by: chris | September 8, 2007, 12:51 am 12:51 am
I am just disgusted with ABC 20/20.
I just might begin protesting in front of ABC Studio’s because right now I do not have the words to express my anger and sickening feeling how ABC is protecting pedarests at the expense of children.
Clearly all those complaning wanted “control” and did not care about the children.
Clearly there are top ranking officials who are alleged pedarests and cover for each other. I am not sure why they should or deserve special treatment. Yes, innocent until proven guilty but pedarests usually don’t get caught and due to the vulnerability of children, the can have over 300 victims and their victims usually remain silent out of fear and confusion which in turn many block it out.
Many victims of child sexual abuse end up committing suicide so i do not feel sorry for that man nor his sister. Dateline had nothing to do with it!
Your show seems to indicate more love for the pedophiles rather than seriously reporting and possibly helping the situation and this is what disgusts me about ABC.
Maybe you need to do a show about how the United States was responsible for Hitler’s suicide!
THERE IS NO CURE FOR pedophilia! Don’t be fooled by these therapists who say there is.
Disgusting, disgusiing and shame on you!
Posted by: John Wirchnianski | September 8, 2007, 12:53 am 12:53 am
I can’t believe you people who are upset about these predators having their “lives destroyed” by the Dateline stories. What about the lives of children that they destroy? THANK YOU DATELINE! 20/20 you should be ashamed.
And for the record, I consider myself very liberal. This is not a Political argument. It’s a Moral issue.
Posted by: Bleeding Liberal | September 8, 2007, 12:53 am 12:53 am
I am absolutely appalled that ABC would use the “To Catch a Predator” series as a show topic, and try to defend the perverts that preyed on innocent children. The police officers involved in the taping did absolutely nothing wrong, and were simply trying to notify the public of the slime that is out there preying on our children. I can not believe that the officers that stepped down really felt it necessary to leave their jobs, there must have been some other matters involved, and perhaps ABC would be better off spending their time investigating that. It disgusts me that the perverts involved in this story are more important to ABC and the city of Murphy Texas than are the young victims that are at risk every day.
Posted by: Vicki McLees | September 8, 2007, 12:54 am 12:54 am
they should not have harassed conradt at his own home, but the fact that he took his own life speaks for itself. he did wrong, and he knew it. plain and simple.
Posted by: kelsey | September 8, 2007, 12:57 am 12:57 am
I fully support Dateline “To Catch A Predator” and Perverted Justice. It’s past victims like me who depend on them to actually make a difference since the police can’t seem to do it on their own.
I wonder how many of these negative comments about them are comments from pedophiles? *states the obvious*
Posted by: Kim Gray | September 8, 2007, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Hats off to PJ and any arrests and convictions they influence with their efforts. However, Chris Hansen and NBC went way over top on this one. The sting operations made perfect sense and the scum bags they nailed deserve all they get and more, but the cameras and pathetic attempts to make Chris Hansen look like a Dodge City Hero were just that…pathetic. The victims in these totally unnecessarily nationally televised sting operations become the family members of the sexual predators (children and wives of these whack-jobs). Bad enough for them that their father/husband will likely lose his job and serve time (all of which he deserves and more…) but each of them get to deal with the sensationalism of having their father’s/husband’s face flashed all over national television. I totally support getting these men off the street so that our children will no longer be pursued by them; however, their families should not have to bare the brunt of Chris Hansen and his ‘crew’ making hey of this on national TV. Tragic and irresponsible that the cases in Texas were dropped because a sloppy approach to reality TV had to jump in and screw it up. Chris, curious that you were not willing to be interviewed after all of the pushing and shoving you’ve done to get interviews and attention in your career. Go ahead, rationalize it away.
Posted by: Richard | September 8, 2007, 3:16 am 3:16 am
I am glad 20/20 presented this information simply because it’s news & I found the legal aspect of it interesting. I didn’t know about what happened in Texas until I saw it tonight on 20/20.I would rather of known about that then not to have known about it.
On the other side I always thought the news media was to report the news NOT to create the news.
I watched almost all of the “To catch a predator” shows & said to myself on each catch 1 away & 100 to go I also had my children watch a few as well so hopefully they will be more careful on the internet. I know as well when they arrest “them” it is done much more dramatic then if there wasn’t any cameras there.
In watching the shows I also wrestled with the idea of showing there faces on primetime tv. Many of them have Family, bus. associates,Children etc. Most importantly the children which many of their children are school aged & from what I have read most of these perverts that prey on the net do not molest their own children. What I find devastating is can these innocent children of the perverts that were arrested ever have anywhere near a normal life growing up when their peers will taunt & tease them about their father being a predator. Many of you would say “hey it could have been my daughter or son & I would say the same BUT for a child to know his/her father was a perverted A****** would be pretty tough as it is. BUT when their fathers face or even their mothers face (woman predators are very miniscule in comparison to men on the net, they are more pervasive off the net but, nothing in comparison to males) are seen on national TV I believe it will destroy a large part of their fragile childhood. Their children are innocent but made to feel guity. How will they grow up? I believe they will grow up with a phychological handicap. I also believe it’s a good show BUT feel at the least the “guilty faces” should be electronically blocked.
It would do more then enough psychological damage for “his” child to watch the scence of his fathers “interview & arrest” in privacy. When you put the “pervert” in front of millions on tv what kind of life will this child have through adulthood when he/she may continuously be identified by her father’s missdeeds?
You are making their children victims. Think about the perverts CHILDREN IF, they have any children.
Posted by: Stan F | September 8, 2007, 3:19 am 3:19 am
There is only one person to blame for the death of the district attorney, and that is himself. He placed himself in that position, as soon as he loged on to his computer with what he thought was a child. His money hungry family just wants to cash out on a perverted family member. How do we know that he did not molest any children? If he did, any money recovered by the family should go to the real victims, the children he molested. To beleive that he did not molest any children would be a real strech. He made the final choice to kill himself,based on his actions, not the actions of any other parties involved. We must hold him responsible for what he was. Just because he was too cowardly to face the same law that he dispensed everyday, will not ever make him a victim. He was a predator and will remain in that position by his actions. As for his family, they should stop trying to collect money, and investigate if any of the children in their family were molested by their beloved victim?
Posted by: Ray Garcia | September 8, 2007, 3:38 am 3:38 am
I agree with bob fox. I think that there is something up in our justice system. I think that if you want to hurt a child in that way you are more of a demon then BIN LADEN is!. I think that Brian Ross nad Vic Walter are not smart because they did a report on this. I also think that the main reason why the district attorney droped all the charges is because he did not want his state have a bad rap because the person who died was an assistant district attorney.
Posted by: brandon | September 8, 2007, 3:40 am 3:40 am
I wear my PJ clothing proudly!!!
Posted by: Hollentraume | September 8, 2007, 3:47 am 3:47 am
Until tonight I was a fan of both 20/20 and Dateline. However, after tonight, I will never watch 20/20 again. Like many mentioned before, a pedophile is a pedophile. Regardless of how hard you tried, you could NOT bait me or most people into trying to meet up with a 13 year old no matter how hard you tried. Whomever the PR person is for 20/20 that thought this would be a good story should be fired. At its lowest common denomenator, you are attacking another news station for exposing pedophiles.
Posted by: Eric | September 8, 2007, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Great job on exposing this! If we’re going to have a nation where the laws are applied fairly and properly, we can’t be making exceptions for crimes that happen to be getting a lot of focus at the time.
What Dateline has been doing is vigilanteism veiled thinly in a cloak of psuedo-legality by getting the police to perform the actual arrests.
Are those that accept this kind of thing even thinking about what’s going on? You have a for-profit company gathering evidence so that they can make a show out of catching people. There’s a great deal of room for abuse there, and it is simply unacceptable. This kind of thing should be handled by police alone, not a media outlet
The DA did the right thing in throwing these cases out. It is better to have some guilty people go free than to allow our judicial system to become corrupted, perhaps even to the point where the innocent are being punished.
I’m particularly impressed by this report in the bravery that it demonstrated. People are so whipped up about this kind of thing that they’re forgetting how important it is to preserve standards in how law enforcement is handled, and anyone who points out this shameful thing is attacked, as seen in so many other comments here.
Posted by: Paul | September 8, 2007, 3:53 am 3:53 am
I fully support Dateline “To Catch A Predator” and Perverted Justice. It’s past victims like me who depend on them to actually make a difference since the police can’t seem to do it on their own.
I wonder how many of these negative comments about them are comments from pedophiles? They seem to be coming out of the wood work in droves.
Posted by: Kim Gray | September 8, 2007, 4:00 am 4:00 am
I WILL NEVER WATCH 20/20 AGAIN!! I’m so grossly disgusted of ABC’s segment on Dateline. I pray that Dateline doesn’t slow down it’s efforts in catching and exposing these monsters that ruin children’s lives. Congratulations ABC, you have showed us all what’s important to you.
I WILL NEVER WATCH 20/20 AGAIN!
Posted by: Jack | September 8, 2007, 4:06 am 4:06 am
ABC’s 20/20 caught three predators tonight – Chris Hansen, NBC, and Perverted Justice. As much as I deplore pedophiles, what Perverted Justice and To Catch A Predator did to lure that assistant DA, by actually initiating several phone calls to him, was entrapment at its best – or worse – depending on how you look at it.
Posted by: Ray Flournoy | September 8, 2007, 4:08 am 4:08 am
A quote from the story. Von Erck is an owner of perverted justice.
“Von Erck compared “Dateline’s” cooperation with Ohio officials to Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward’s reliance on an anonymous government source during the Watergate era. In any case, Von Erck said: “We look at those [ethical] rules as just silliness. We’ve never gotten an e-mail from a parent [after a 'Predator' report aired] saying, ‘What about journalistic ethics?’ “
Posted by: Nathan | September 8, 2007, 4:18 am 4:18 am
If Chris Hansen thinks you are guilty you are guilty. Is justice really this perverted?
Crime is one thing, seducing the weak to commit crime is another. I personally do not even consider it a controversy. Chris Hansen needs present the facts in a more neutural way and stop manipulating the public.
As you can see from some of the comments here. There are viewers who will blindly believe whatever they see on TV. That only makes the integrity of journalism more important.
Sure the program attracts some viewers but so does Jerry Springer; at least Jerry Spring is honest about it.
Posted by: Richard | September 8, 2007, 4:26 am 4:26 am
Are we seeing justice for perverts or a perversion of justice?
I watched Dateline’s first installment of this series. I found it incredibly disturbing and was certain it would blow up in short order.
To my surprise, the ratings were huge and apparently, the American public is perfectly comfortable watching what amounts to a lynching party in action.
When I continued to see Dateline advertise one new episode after another, I was getting a little concerned that no one had the guts to step up and stop the madness.
We’d all like to find a way to put a stop to the use of the Internet for “bad” things. I think volunteers can make significant contributions towards that goal. I’d love to see law enforcement come up with a suitable program to encourage and enable interested parties to become “Guardian Angels” on the Net.
PJ seems to be a good idea that is out of control. Dateline has taken journalism to a new low and that is saying something these days.
I anticipate an onslaught of lawsuits against Dateline and will be very anxious to see how the plaintiff’s fare.
Posted by: Quaere | September 8, 2007, 4:28 am 4:28 am
Get your facts straight before reporting something 20/20. And if you do have the facts straight, shame on you for defending a pedophiliac. Conradt shot himself, he made that decision, thats how he CHOOSE to deal with his indiscretion. The children that he was seeking may not have had a choice. I respect his decision, it was the decent thing for him to do. I feel for his family, but denial is not the proper approach. 20/20′s approach to the investigation makes me wonder who they have on their staff, and maybe someone should be investigating that. Scary!
Ditto on >>>And shame on you, ABC, for allowing your bruised ego to attack the worthwhile reporting done by a rival network.
Posted by: Lena Belle | September 8, 2007, 5:07 am 5:07 am
In response to cheryl benson…Well aren’t you a mighty big britches. But, at least these other law enforcement agencies are getting the job done, and not just sitting on their bottoms criticizing others. Get busy and get the job done, you have the credentials.
Posted by: cheryl benson | Sep 7, 2007 11:16:41 PM
I am a law enforcement investigator in the mid-west. My department was specifically and repeatedly pressured by the Perverted Justice people as well as the local NBC affiliate. I argued over and over again that these tactics would only serve to embarrass people in an attempt to glorify the image of a law enforcement agency. Utilizing the media to conduct investigations that are this complicated and serious only serves to pressure police to perform quickly and to cut corners to get the “Big Story” out. Cutting corners usually results in cases not being filed, embarrassment, and most importantly failure to serve the crime victim. In addition, the law in my area does not allow the use of non law enforcement personnel to act in the deceptive position that the PJ staff did. While I am an advocate for the protection of children, I have always felt that the NBC / PJ / Law Enforcement relationship was very shallow and minimizing to those who are victims of these crimes as well as to those who spend their lives properly pursuing these criminals. I am surprised that the participating Law Enforcement agencies did not recognize the “Red Flags” with Perverted Justice early on. Commentaries posted on the PJ web site by the PJ staff were provocative, foul, and antagonistic. This organization, good intentions aside, should have developed a professional and mature presentation to avoid the skepticism that most law enforcement agencies apparently had with them. I must believe that most all involved started with good intentions, for that they should not be criticized. The criticism should be focused on the lacking ability to remember who they were working for. Thank you for bringing this story to the public. This should be an example for those people who confuse TV police drama with what it really takes to get the job done right.
Posted by: Viewer | September 8, 2007, 5:17 am 5:17 am
This show was about nothing more than ABC’s jealousy of NBC’s ratings. This show let parents know that their – Rabbi, Dr., Teacher, [insert title here] was willing to have sex w/ their children. I love this show and will not make sure that I DVR every episode. To Catch A Predator is one of the few worthwhile programs on TV!!! ABC is disgusting and ought to be ashamed.
Posted by: tonya | September 8, 2007, 5:50 am 5:50 am
One less sicko child predator to worry about. Thanks Conradt for saving the taxpayers’ money.
Posted by: TamSam | September 8, 2007, 6:07 am 6:07 am
Bob Fox…why shame on ABC??? NBC is the one that promotes this sick kind of entertainment to feed the wackjobs out there.
Posted by: The Lone Ranger | September 8, 2007, 6:21 am 6:21 am
It must be really tough to be caught reporting stale news. Especially when the news is wrong.
The forensic investigation of Conradt’s computer etc is now complete – and low and behold – not only did he have child porn on the computer, but he also had it on his cell phone and on many CD’s found in the house.
Good riddance to a POS.
Also – The District Attorney for Collin County, who refuses to prosecute is in for a bit of a rude awakening. Another DA is reviewing the files and I would expect – in accordance with Texas law – that charges will be laid against all the men.
I used to enjoy 20/20. After this bit of garbage reporting – and the seemingly portrayal of these scum as victims – it will be some time before the show graces my TV set again.
For the rest of the story see the real news posted at Dateline NBC (in the updates section for TCAP).
Posted by: Phil | September 8, 2007, 6:39 am 6:39 am
There is a team of cops in Bedford, VA. called the Blue Ridge Thunder or something like that. My old room mate, who is a cop and one of the top guys on the team, has slept with at least 100 women, no telling what ages. He drinks until he is completely drunk, a lot. He got stabbed in a pursuit a few years ago and recieved a Purple Heart for his efforts. Only problem is, he was still drunk from the night before when it happened. It wasn’t the first time he had gone to work drunk either. How can we trust law enforcement?
Posted by: Mike | September 8, 2007, 6:47 am 6:47 am
Shame on ABC. The ‘To Catch a Predator’ series that NBC has aired is a valuable service to our communities. It would have been nice if not objective to have interviewed those individuals that have been personally affected by pedophiles and seen how they felt about the series. As for the sister of the Asst. D.A. that took his own life I have no sympathy for you and if I were the Judge in your law suit against NBC I would laugh you out of court. Your defense of your pedophile brother is disgusting and I hope he along with all child predators languishes in hell for eternity.
Posted by: Bill | September 8, 2007, 6:57 am 6:57 am
I was a big fan of ABC and 20/20. I was disgusted by DA that defended the assist DA and freed the other child molestors. I would guess this his family has never been peronally effected by a pedopholie. The sister that is suing NBC, should be taken to get her head examined. Maybe “volunteer” do some community service to the children in her area Speek to the parents of the children her brother was arranging to meet that chatted he with on line?… Maybe she would have a difference of opinion
Posted by: christine | September 8, 2007, 7:16 am 7:16 am
Simply put, ABC wrong NBC right. You shouldn’t have run this piece ABC and 20/20. It just makes you look bad. I’m sorry ABC, I can’t bring myself to watch your programming anymore. This program just made me sick at my stomach to see the level of political correctness involved in the decisions of ABC’s opinion piece and of the district attorney’s stance which really is at fault for causing the current system for failing the victims of child abuse. My father is a retired States Attorney and would see that the crime outweighs the risk of forfeit to pursue prosecution. This district attorney, John Roach is just trying to get re-elected. These vigilantes as you call them, they are heroes, true Americans, not you armchair couch potatoes who are completely complacent with injustice as long as it doesn’t affect you. I am from Fort Myers Florida, and Dateline was here doing the same thing and I would invite them back anytime.
Posted by: Mo | September 8, 2007, 7:49 am 7:49 am
Well, 20/20 just lost me as a weekly viewer. Mr. Ross, I have enjoyed your segments on corruption, politics, and general news stories but you went WAY to far in attacking another journalist and news program. HOW in any way shape or form can you defend a child predator? They are NOT the victims, the children are. My word, we have teachers, religious leaders, and worst of all HUSBANDS & FATHERS arriving at a house for sex with a teenager. I praise Chris Hanson and Dateline for bringing this to the attention of the police and public. Mr. Ross, I do recall several segments you did with an IN YOUR FACE EXPOSE OF PEOPLE DOING WRONG. At least Chris Hanson got some of these perverts off the streets. The only way I would ever watch 20/20 again is for Chris Hanson and Brian Ross to do a To Catch a Predator together.
Posted by: Nancy | September 8, 2007, 8:00 am 8:00 am
The news should not be involved with making the news nor should law enforcement be involved in a TV drama. Both jobs are compromised when they blur the lines between them.
Posted by: Keith | September 8, 2007, 8:03 am 8:03 am
One day they will catch the wrong person
or someone completely inocent
and a tragedy or injustice will result.
But like in the film Network
Ratings will be all that counts.
Even if the wrong person or someone completly inocent is caught.
That persons life will be ruined
but NBC will get its ratings.
And no matter how well intentioned.
To Catch a Preditor is no more than a Jerry Springer Show
just more perverted.
Posted by: Carl | September 8, 2007, 8:21 am 8:21 am
Has anyone investigated the relationship with the D.A. and his relationship with Condrat? Just wondering if he is defending his friend and ultimately helping the lawsuit of Condrat’s sister. If the charges are dropped, creating instances of illegal arrest, and subjecting PJ, NBC Dateline, and the police department to lawsuits. I agree, this is not tv worthy events (except real news), but PJ and police departments should work together w/o the cameras. Please, someone stop all this reality tv garbage! Also, ABC should come up with real shows, not attack their competition. Maybe they could put the Black Donnellys back on tv.
Posted by: James | September 8, 2007, 8:34 am 8:34 am
An example of how a good idea can go bad – the media is just as guilty as the person who victimizes children – we live in a messed up world, why not bring back public executions, and pitting people against lions? Because all we want to see is what has been sensationalized by the media, hence more views of bodies in Iraq. If law enforcement is not in charge, why the heck is the TV crew?
Posted by: jozy | September 8, 2007, 8:48 am 8:48 am
I think the show is worthwhile although I think is overdone and we see to much of the same thing. When I look to see what the program Dateline is showing half the time it is the “to catch a pretator” I love watching Dateline and would love to see some other reports. I do think it takes a lot of guts for Chris Hansen to do what he has done. Kudos to him.
Posted by: Michelle G. | September 8, 2007, 9:10 am 9:10 am
I can’t believe that people are making this into an issue, but I do understand. Have we forgotten that so many children are kidnapped and murdered? Brian Ross, you seem like you are trying to make a name for yourself because another news station got more publicity than you did by doing something that is positive. Brian Ross, why don’t you do a story about all of the sex offenders that fail to report where they live and when they decide to relocate in communities like your own. GIve it a break, if someone entices my child and tries to come and visit they are dead!!! Will that be a better story for you idiots?
Posted by: Darnell | September 8, 2007, 9:20 am 9:20 am
The D.A. stated that the pedophiles broke the law by soliciting to a minor, so why were all the charges dropped? Why couldn’t something stick? This news station has lost another viewer because of your obvious revenge…
Posted by: Outraged | September 8, 2007, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Other peoples’ illnesses, depravities, misfortunes, and shortcomings have be entertainment for years. This story, and the PJ/NBC group, add to the genre. The recitivism rate for people who watch trash television and gloat about their superiority over the depraved is quite high, too. I offer a suggestion for those who might like to clear their head of the TV fog. Do some volunteer work. Travel to a third world country and deliver food and medical care to women, children and orphans. Do this for about a month, where there is no TV. Then, come back and see more vividly what crap is on TV.
Posted by: Traveler | September 8, 2007, 9:34 am 9:34 am
20/20 I will never watch your show again. I guess your ratings must be bad to attack one of the finest shows on TV. As the Mother of three daughters (2) of which were molested I praise Chris Hanson for the wonderful and sometimes dangerous work he does trying to get these animals off the steet. Who cares if they are embarrassed. What about the embarrassment that my two daughters must live with for the rest of their life. You just lost a viewer.
Posted by: geri | September 8, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Are you kidding me? 20/20 just lost another LONG time viewer. I tried to watch this show to see Ross’ reporting. I watch the “To Catch A Predator” series. First, what was the dilemna over whether they arrested him at work, home on a sunday or a weekday? If he is commiting a crime in Texas (talking in a sexually explicit manor to a minor as said by the prosecutor) why not arrest him immediately? Second, law enforcement is not 100%. Whether it is an investigation solely under control of the cops or with the help of concerned citizens there are always some criminals who slip between the cracks. Three, am I suppose to have sympathy for the pedophile who killed himself because he was GUILTY pervert?? Give me a break. 20/20 stores don’t even come close to dealing with real isses. Everyweek its about celebrity this or rich people? At least Dateline is trying to doing something productive. Even if those 23 men are not convicted because they were on Dateline millions of American saw their faces, including people in their community who can now make sure to keep their kids AWAY from the monsters!
Posted by: Lilian | September 8, 2007, 10:06 am 10:06 am
I have always considered 20/20 to be a creditable investigative news program.
However, last evening, to broadcast an interview that sympathized with a sibling of a deceased former District Attorney who was clearly engaged in the trafficking of child pornography, is inexcusable. Furthermore, it lacks any moral or ethical journalism.
All I walked away from by watching this segment is 20/20 finds nothing wrong with the exploitation of our children and condones child pornography.
You lost a loyal viewer.
Posted by: Gretchen Blair | September 8, 2007, 10:10 am 10:10 am
An unbiased news report by 20/20? I don’t think so. Ratings envy? Most likely.
Posted by: P.P. | September 8, 2007, 10:12 am 10:12 am
I guess most commentors here wouldn’t mind either if some “vile pedophile” showed up in front of the cameras and shot his brains off right there on your nice big tv screen.
Posted by: Elliot | September 8, 2007, 10:19 am 10:19 am
I don’t think we have to be so polarized on this subject. To me, there are only a few issues that need some attention to take this fairly good method a step further in detering (can you really every eliminate?) sexual preditors:
1) Let’s focus on the law. In Texas, the law states that the crime has been committed when the proposal was made online, regardless of any subsequent action. I’m still trying to absorb that – need to research more to understand how PJ can solicit withou being entrapment. I’d also like to know if the punishment is the same if only the online chat took place. If so, does that mean I could face the death penalty if I text someone that I will kill them? What if I was joking and didn’t include the :) or ;) ?
2) If the media cameras are taken along, which I believe is a good thing, then there has to be clear guidelines and oversight methods in place to avoid jeoprodizing the cases against the suspects, as prosecution and conviction should be the ultimate goal for all parties (with deterance a bonus side-effect).
3) PJ is dealing with one of the many aspects of dealing with obvious issues concerning children interacting with adults online. How are we parents, ourselves, protecting our kids? Are we leveraging technology available (audit logs, parental control, etc.) Is the technology meeting our needs? If not, what possible obligation to those interested in a healthy internet have to get involved in sexual and other criminal preditor issues?
I think the controvery that !BOTH! NBC and ABC have generated is GREAT, let’s take the opportunity to resolve the few issues that have obviously prevented prosecution of many suspects and keep moving toward the goal of protecting our kids.
- Texas Mom
Posted by: Texas Mom | September 8, 2007, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Regardless of how some of you feel about alleged molesters. We must all remember, even Christopher who identified himself as a lawyer, these people remain innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. And not at the whims and fancies of NBC or any of us making our own swift vigilante justice decisions about them. The fact that people are innocent until proven guilty in America is one of the many things that makes America great. When those laws fail to protect those of considered the very lest in society, they will one day come full circle and fail to protect to most innocent, vulnerable. They will fail to protect you and me. Just remember that when you are casting stones. NBC to catch a predator was described right on the money by someone who called it nothing more than a horse and pony show for ratings.
Posted by: innocent until | September 8, 2007, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Someone mentioned investigating the DA who would not prosecut perhaps being involved Conradt, the Assistant DA of another county…. remember that the Collin County DA told Murphy that they should not participat in these NBC-involved sting activities BEFORE they began, in writing.
- Texas Mom
Posted by: Texas Mom | September 8, 2007, 10:39 am 10:39 am
I can’t get over the fact that John Roach somehow felt in advance that this was a bad idea, and also chose not to prosecute 23 pedophiles – I am curious as to his motives and what he may have known about Conradt of these other men. ATTN: ALL PEDOPHILES – it’s open season to molest children in Murphy since the DA won’t prosecute you – that’s the message Roach is supporting. I also can’t imagine that any court is going to even entertain his sister’s lawsuit – Conradt chose to commit suicide, no one forced him to do it, he had other choices just as no one forced him to be a pedophile. The old adage is true – don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time – Conradt chose his own punishment and way out. And for the residents of Murphy – are you that sheltered in thinking that Dateline “brought” pedophiles into your city? They are everywhere and willing to do whatever it takes to molest a child – Dateline didn’t cause this – this is nothing new, wake up! I would also watch out since your DA is not prosecuting these crimes – I feel sorry for your kids and for your county. And as for you 20/20 – don’t even try to tell the public that you are not trying to ride the coattails of the Dateline series and get a little publicity for yourself. The Dateline series is different, new and innovative, and has brought immediate and fullblown attention to an issue that so desparately needed it, and now has it – good for you, Dateline. They found the right method to get the message across – people tune in because I think they are incredulous as to how many people – droves of people from all walks of life – continue to hunt for child victims. If they had done this the 20/20 way of sitting behind a desk with running commentaries and little B&W hidden cameras, this story would have been just another Friday night piece. Keep it up Dateline, you have the public’s full support and thanks for fully exposing this issue.
Posted by: Anne | September 8, 2007, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Question: How many of you “70%-ers” out there are from Perverted Justice? Why can’t you show yourselves?
Please let law enforcement do their jobs. TV is for entertainment. You want to see law in action? Go sit in a courtroom. A real criminal court room.
Posted by: Susan | September 8, 2007, 10:50 am 10:50 am
So now were supposed to feel sorry for a pediphile who shot himself because he was embarressed about what he was trying to do? Give me a break. These men are discusting, and at least one less pervert is out there preying on children. They all deserve everthing they are getting, and its a shame they let all those men go. I wounder if this would have been such a big deal if he wasnt such a man of power. I love NBC for what they are doing, they should keep up the good work. Hopefully they will scare these type of people into pursuing their sick fantasies. I hope everyone on this blog who thinks NBC is wrong, takes a good look at their children and think how they would feel if someone was preying on them. You people should be ashamed of yourself!
Posted by: shannon | September 8, 2007, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Very Disappointed with your story knowing full well your team is just as aggressive in getting a story. Convicting such perverts takes resources that most local law enforcement departments don’t have at their disposal. No question about it, NBC came in full force however in the end the evidence was there.
Forget about your colleagues this once and investigate the corrupt District Attorney as we all wonder who he is protecting! Video and Chat surveillance are very effective tools in the court room, just keep this up and they too soon will not be allowed as evidence.
Once again, Very Disappointed!
Posted by: Mark S. | September 8, 2007, 11:11 am 11:11 am
ABC investigating NBC? Yeah, and I go to Ford dealers for information on Chevy.
Posted by: MF | September 8, 2007, 11:16 am 11:16 am
It is because of programs like this that our family has stopped watching television. This country is deep trouble when it make media the police.
Media could spend more time on why a “POLICE STATE” is being set up in America.
Posted by: J Kuma | September 8, 2007, 11:16 am 11:16 am
The naysayers on here are all Perverted-Justice people who use the same lame arguments every time Perverted-Justice or Dateline is criticized for poor, illegal, or unprofessional tactics. If you aren’t for our operation, you must be baby rapers, pedophile lovers and crazies.
No law abiding citizen wants to see criminals go unpunished. So leave the determination of who is a criminal to the police and not private citizens or news outlets with axes to grind and money to be made.
ABC never said it was against pedophiles being caught or police doing their jobs. Your reading and comprehending skills, as usual, are very selecetive.
Posted by: Henry | September 8, 2007, 11:19 am 11:19 am
Just reading some of the comments makes this situation troubling. Some people would prefer the sexual act take place,(BOATMAN2, “THEY SHOULD WAIT TIL SOMEONE BREAKS THE LAW BEFORE THEY ARREST HIM”)What??! so catch the pedophile in the act, then arrest him?? A little late, the damage is done. Then, we have poster “OBSSED MINGER” chiming in about the recidivism rate for sex offenders and that a fellow poster should get their facts straight. Is that the real issue. A waste of space on this blog…. How about LEIGH, excercising Her/His constitutional law knowledge. The Fourth Amendment guards against UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. 99% of parents will say this is a reasonable search and seizure. Any parents disagree?? I apoligize to all for reverting back to an 80′s battle cry,, BUT….”ROCK ON” NBC, DATELINE, AND CHRIS HANSEN, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Posted by: JDB | September 8, 2007, 11:22 am 11:22 am
I’m disgusted by 20/20′s attempted low blow to Datelines AMAZING work putting scum away where they belong, 20/20 isn’t doing it OR getting the spotlight so they have to sink to new lows by attacking the competition. The man who committed suicide would have done it sooner or later with any uncovering of his disgusting perversion. Why is there so much protection for this PREDATOR??? It’s BETTER HE KILL HIMSELF THEN KILL A CHILD! HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT???
Posted by: Truth Hurts | September 8, 2007, 11:25 am 11:25 am
I am very grateful to ABC for having enough GUTS and originality to tell the FULL side of the story…not just the one-dimensional/safe side that “Dateline” hands out every time. “To Catch a Predator” masquerades as being about “saving children”, while it what it really is about is soft-core porn, in reality using the sexuality of young people as a thinly-veiled lure to draw viewers. It may be unprecedented for a television news program to do an investigation on another one, and in so doing, “20/20″ receives very high marks for originality. They obviously smelled a rat. Interesting how no one from “Dateline”, such as Chris Hanson, or Perverted Justice would agree to be interviewed on camera…
Posted by: Chris | September 8, 2007, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Are people missing the point of the show? Are people better professionals then the actual professionals that deal with this? What happens when ratings for shows like this fall, and they will. What will shows like Dateline do next? To catch a drunk driver? To catch a Potential Terrorist? To catch a person wearing clashing colors? And yes, I know that these things are different then to Catch a Predator but thats not my point.
My point is this. Every decade, it seems that we find something, as a people, to get hysterical about. The Communist threat, The Satanic Ritual Abuse Scare, etc. It lasts for awhile and many people suffer, including the families AND CHILDREN of those being accused of what ever. Again, please don’t think from the human hysterical part and please understand my point. News shows have the right and responsibility to report the news but NOT TO GET INVOLVED like Dateline. Law Enforcement needs to handle this themselves, any crime. Simplifying a crime to a TV show, well what next… The Running Man?
I give ABC two thumbs up for reporting the news, even though they could have been more thorough. If reporting the news means reporting about another network, then I give them even more credit. They knew what they where getting into but chose to so we Americans could know both sides of what is going on. News should not be treated like a high school drama play and the laws of our country should not be treated like tabloid headlines. Grow up America. We need to think for ourselves and research actual, official information for answers. How many people really believe that NBC will care about any of us and Dateline will stay on the air when the ratings fall to an all time low and stay there? Does anyone really believe that safety and justice will win over ratings and money?
ABC and 20/20 you have gained more viewers then you may realize, including myself. Excellent Job.
Posted by: Ron | September 8, 2007, 11:41 am 11:41 am
We must look at the big picture and see the real victims, our innocent children. We cannot always be politically correct. I have seen how the children that are molested by these preditors are molested in their minds for a life time. Come on adults think of the children. The preditors only care about their sick and twisted needs at the expense of children. ABC, you should do something to help bring out and expose some truth about preditors. I do feel you have done alot of good. I watch all of your shows that I can.
Posted by: judy d hicks | September 8, 2007, 11:55 am 11:55 am
i can’t believe that Ross would do a story downing the efforts of catching CHILD PREDATORS. the only thing that needs to be corrected is the process of how they collect evidence “legally” to be able to fully prosecute these scumbags that are robbing our children of their innocence and security. otherwise they are doing a fantastic job of trapping these molesters. televising these peoples faces may make other predators think twice about their sexual desires before they strike. i can’t believe that this has turned into a controversy. wait….let’s do what we always do as americans….lets protect the civil rights of the criminal and involve the ACLU to lobby in washington to change the laws some more to protect our local child predators. as far as the asst. district attorney shooting himself, well…i think he’s heard what they do to “Chesters” in prison and did not have the backbone to defend what he has felt is right to do to CHILDREN. enough already!!!! why do we feel so sorry for these criminals when they go off the deep end? “oh my, their families are devastasted with the outcome of the television show”….”lets sue the network for the wrongful death of my brother.” your brother Conradt, was a sick pervert and a FELON, Patricia!!!! stop trying to cash in at his pathetic life.
what these felons leave behind is a shattered life of a child with social anxieties and who knows what other sociopathic problems they’ll have when they grow up. THESE CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE….WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: roger r | September 8, 2007, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Too bad the only way ABC could find to jump on the bandwagon was to try and drag NBC’s To Catch a Predator down to ABC’s level. It figures. Of course the sister is upset. But she needs to understand that her perverted brother did this to her, NOT Dateline or perverted-justice nor the Murphy police. If that’s what ABC stands for, I’m through watching 20/20.
DatelineNBC: To Catch a Predator has done more to educate parents and law enforcement with these shows, than ABC has ever done. The 20/20 show last night was a total disgrace for NBC. That was nothing but garbage. Good grief, go crawl back under a rock somewhere.
Posted by: Linda M | September 8, 2007, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
I think the dateline series was a good wake up call to parents. I also think the ratings kept pushing them to go further and further with it. It is sad, for ratings, that NBC took it as far as they did in the Conradt case. He needed help – not exploitation. People need to think of the family and put themselves in their shoes. How would you feel if it was your brother or father that killed himself for being backed into a corner by a news group that was trying to exploit him? Wouldn’t you rather they seek him treatment? I think NBC should pay for their involvement. As for perverted justice – I think they are just as sick as any of these predators.
Posted by: Jamie | September 8, 2007, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Maybe “To Catch A Thief” isn’t “according to Hoyle”, but it is trying to get some of the perverts off the streets. Good for them. Just think, the next victim might be your daughter/son, granddaughter,grandson. Think about it before you condemn Chris Hansen and his crew. We NEED perverted Justice in every town in the country.
Posted by: Shiley | September 8, 2007, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
I case like this, parents of those teens should be responsible too by not installing firewalls/routers and restricting access to certain websites for kids. This is very easy to do! There are a lot of ways to find out where your kids were on the web. If this is difficult for them, then they can keep a log of all accessed websites from kid’s computer!
I really don’t care about those kids who are 15 and older trying to have sex, they do it anyway in school and after school with each other. But I do care when 2-14 years old is being raped, chased in a park and forced to have sex.
Yet all of them are sexual predators, we should make a difference between those 2 groups. And by the way, jail time will not help them! They need a professional help, treatment and in some cases castration. We put them behind the bars, once they are out they will do it again, and no one seems to have a solution for that.
And also 18yo kid who had sex with 17 yo kid cannot be classified as a child molester too. If we will do everything by the book, then we will have a high number of those we call child predators.
Some of you might disagree with me. Ok, then. But if you call a 15-17 yo a child, then when they commit a murder, don’t treat them as adults, treat them as children who made a mistake. One of those 15yo, when I was in school, killed a guy from my class by torturing and raping him for 6 hours because he owed him $20. Well, he was treated as an adult (as he should!!!) Just remember that those 15-17yo are not kids anymore, they are adults.
Posted by: Nick | September 8, 2007, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
A 20/20 airing “Gone Bad” is what this has become. Brian Ross should have chosen a topic that isn’t so important to so many people. Pedophilia is a crime. William Conradt was a pedophile. He had child porn on his computer among other things. He knew what he was and therefor chose his ending.
My gut feeling is that someone within DA Roach’s office tipped off Conradt that Dateline was in town. Why else would he be afraid to prosecute the other 23 arrested. The fact that another DA is willing to prosecute these cases will also show Roach’s lie about the evidence. The truth is there, 20/20 failed to mention that.
Dateline updated this story Wednesday night. ABC should have watch it. They would have learned something. All ABC is doing is crying foul over not having a top rated news show. Well boys, produce something meaningful to people and perhaps you will have your audience back. After this airing I will not watch 20/20 again. Dateline’s Chris Hansen along with Perverted Justice volunteers has exposed this horrendous problem. Ask any surviver of sexual abuse, this is horrendous. Kudos to Dateline and Perverted Justice for being proactive. ABC, 20/20 you lose.
Posted by: B Green | September 8, 2007, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Regarding the 20/20 segment aired on 9/7/07 on the “Sting gone bad” in the “To Catch a Predator” series, I found your report to be rather disingenuous. So what if that D.A. killed himself? He’d been soliciting a 13 year old boy for sex. He obviously recognized that the ensuing scandal would ruin his career when he saw law enforcement and the media outside his door. And the argument that “he was a D.A.” as if the fact that he was in law enforcement meant he couldn’t be a child molester is ludicrous. Here in Orange County, California, we had a sitting Judge who would look at child pornography while on the bench. I’m sick of these perverts and if these shows expose their identities and shame them a bit, so much the better.
The bottom line was that I felt your segment was a big old platter of sour grapes. You’re just angry you didn’t think of this concept first, because if you had, you’d have done the same thing. Your “investigative report” was an embarrassment and as a viewer, I deserve better.
Posted by: Susan H. | September 8, 2007, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Well – this blog is yet more proof of the dumbing down of America. Critical thinking is most certainly lacking.
20/20 does not support pedophiles – get a grip people. Adhering to the constitution is NOT “political correctness” – it is the LAW. NBC should be ashamed of their “To Catch A Predator” – It is this type of sensationalism (and that of PJ) that confuses the issue.
The story tonight was not about pedophiles, but about how the media distorted true police work – legitimate police work that does not violate our rights. The constitution should not be violated – EVER. The hysteria is clouding your reasoning – assuming you had any to begin with.
Posted by: LAA | September 8, 2007, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
The DA of Murphy Texas is a complete idiot. I cannot believe that once again our society cares more for the rights of criminals than for the safety of children in America. The man that killed himself did taxpayers a favor. I would love for Chris Hansen and his team to come to Fairbanks, Alaska and help our police clean up our City. 20/20 has been one of my favorite shows on TV since I was a kid, but I will no longer watch it after they slammed on Dateline for doing a great service to many cities and prtecting many kids in the process. GIVE ME A BREAK, John Stossel!
Posted by: Pat | September 8, 2007, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
It sets a dangerous precedent to outsource our law enforcement to television shows who get paid based on ratings. There is a financial incentive that will color their selection of targets and the aggressiveness of their approach as in this case ending in tragic results without any proper trial which is critical to the fairness of our judicial system and a cornerstone to maintaining a democracy. It was a television show driven lynch mob and the show has turned into a predator itself. You can bet the host and production team get paid based on ratings. The fact that they have no moral qualms themselves into becoming adult predators should be a warning to us all that its a very slippery slope that aggressive people will inevitably go down in pursuit of their own livelihood. There never was a proper trial and information damaging to the real victims family will be great. Yet the television show, the police officers, the distribution syndicates all made money off of this. NBC is allowing itself to be used by just another group of adults with no moral high ground. This wasn’t modern American justice. The person who died was once a child himself and without a proper trial we have no real facts in the case, just hersey, and accusations by a professional group of adult predators. I hope they themselves start going to church as clearly they need it. They took an interesting concept and got too greedy with it, and perverted it themselves.
Posted by: Brian | September 8, 2007, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
It’s funny how you conveniently left off a VERY IMPORTANT FACT … Conradt had downloaded a lot of child pornography onto his computer (not just a little bit). Why didn’t you tell us that? Of course, CP is illegal and he knew that. I’m sure that was more of a reason to kill himself, not some silly excuse of a newsteam being there (which I’m sure he had no idea about because he was too busy trying to remove the CP from his computer).
So he didn’t have time to erase his hard drive and figured that LE was on to him, so pow! NOW, doesn’t that make more sense, ABC?
How about next time you report ALL the facts. Huh?
Posted by: Vicky | September 8, 2007, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
First off.. I find child predators despicable and I feel they should be prosecuted.
However…with that said… I also find what NBC new is doing ‘highly questionable’.. and I applaud ABC news for investigating their tactics.
Like it or not.. EVERY person should be innocent until proven guilty and should be afforded DUE PROCESS. The show tramples on the perpetrators rights… While people may think this is OK because it involves despicable child predators, what happens when they branch out their ‘form’ of justice to other areas.. to get higher ratings. LEAVE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. ENTRAPMENT by a law enforcement organization is questionable.. entrapment by a ‘news’ organization for ratings should be illegal. Entertainment should NOT be mixed up with law enforcement activities. I find people that watch this tripe as questionable as the child predators themselves. I have watched the show and found it highly disturbing on many levels.
Posted by: Jeff | September 8, 2007, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
The only one guilty of any crime is the man who talked with “children” to arrange for a sexual meeting. Maybe he was smart enough not to show up but he still initiated the conversation and that in itself is a crime. No one forced this guy to commit suicide. I’m glad Dateline has pursued this program -it’s made the dangers of the internet even more of a topic in our home and really driven home the point to my daughter that mom isn’t being over protective. Free choice people – remember those words? If you don’t like the program, turn it off but law enforcement needs to work with whatever works to get perverts arrested and labeled as perverts. I wish they could do something similar with drug dealers and gang bangers.
Posted by: kwh | September 8, 2007, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
I am finished with 20/20. These are children. What were you thinking? Just because one district attorny had no guts you are willing to throw these kids out to the wolves? These men showed up at the house to rape children including the small town area which was 2 of your own. They are in your neighbor hood!
Conrad who killed himself only because he was going to to caught. What a coward!
Applaud Dateliune!!!!!
Posted by: brenda | September 8, 2007, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
[The recidivism rate for sex offenders is ridiculously low. Much lower than any other crime.]
Drug and theft are the HIGHest in recidivism, SO/SPs are between 13% and 5.3%. People need to start listening to the fact from Doctors and not the B*S from police and media.
Parents do YOUR job and get the computer, cell phone and cable TV OUT of their bedroom. If Parents parented, we would have probably almost ZERO offenses.
Although most of these types of crimes are committed by father, brother, uncle NOT STRANGERS!
Posted by: marydoogan | September 8, 2007, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
]EVERY person should be innocent until proven guilty and should be afforded DUE PROCESS. The show tramples on the perpetrators rights… While people may think this is OK because it involves despicable child predators, what happens when they branch out their ‘form’ of justice to other areas.]
Unfornately this is NOT the case with a person accused of a s*x crime,
You are GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN GUITLY.
Posted by: obtuse | September 8, 2007, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
What happened to teach your children(not kids by the way)right from wrong, good from bad, proper attire? The age of consent is not the same from state to state. What about emancipation of a young person? What about innocent until proven guilty? Also I find this explosion of police and dog shows to be a way to make ready this nation for more losses of our freadom, these shows have NO redeaimal value whatsoever, as they are boring BORING. Sociaty shapeing? Maybe. Our children’s taaching starts at home, good or bad.
Posted by: S.R. Brumfield | September 8, 2007, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
I see a lot of talk about NBC and the predators and the victims. It just strikes me as hypocritical that our entire society doesn’t want to face up to the fact that IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO!
While I have great disgust towards the predators and sympathy for the victims, I’d wager the biggest chunk of what is wrong is that the parenting of these children is seriously lacking. We have to remember that it takes a conscious effort from BOTH parties to make the rendesvous happen. Touting the obviously bankrupt morals of the predators while completely ignoring the fact that the teenagers had anything to do with it is, to put it charitably, naive.
Growing up in a different time, our parents all seemed to know that the government and the police cannot raise and protect their kids from everything. It was up to parents to instill good moral character and the common sense to recognize dangerous situations (read predators) before they became tragic situations! Statistics clearly show that there has been a HUGE increase in the sheer volume of these types of criminal events, and while only some of it can rightly be attributed to better reporting as it becomes less of a taboo, the vast majority of these events are because we have less parenting going on that could head many oof these problems off at the pass. Our parents were right when they opined that it takes a village to raise a child. Unfortunately, today that ‘village’ is gone and teenagers are thrust out into the cruel world to fend for themelves without the adequate tools and this is just a symptom of what happens. The vast majority of parents should stop complaining that ‘someone’ didn’t stop the ‘bad people’ and start doing their jobs as ‘parents’! The police work hard to go after the criminals, but all the police in the world won’t make a whit of difference to your child if you don’t!
Posted by: Joseph | September 8, 2007, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Okay, it may have been okay for 20/20 to inform us of this NBC sting’s opperation, however, I have some questions. 1st of all, where did they get the “outakes” of the NBC show. NBC didn’t just give them to ABC, I’m sure. Also, ABC didn’t even put up a graphic saying when it was Chirs Hanson talking (from the NBC show)also, there was NO NEED for the NBC logo to be on the screen during the story, along with the ABC logo, why not put the CBS logo or the FOX logo, let’s just put all the logos at the bottom, I was like what channel am i watching? Shame on NBC for taking over the police department’s true job. Shame on ABC for not doing some better “logistical” cleaning up on the 20/20 program.
Posted by: MAB | September 8, 2007, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
~~~ the Perverted Justice people who work the stings are volunteers, they don’t get paid. And the only cases dismissed were these Murphy cases, and from what Dateline says that may change.
Posted by: Lisa | Sep 8, 2007 12:20:20 AM
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Not true. Several cases and/or charges have been dismissed in California in the last few weeks, either due to faulty evidence or jury deadlocks. The only reason most of these cases have succeeded is because the defendants pleaded guilty. The ones that are going to trial are not so successful. The few that actually were convicted in a court of law are now going up on appeal.
And you think the organization getting $100,000 per episode leaves the volunteers untouched and unbiased?
hahaha.
Posted by: sally | September 8, 2007, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Vigilantes are just that, vigilantes. They don’t know where to draw the line. Perverted Justice is a vigilante group. Chris Hansen is a vigilante out for ratings and selling his book. The entire series To Catch A Predator looks a lot like the Salem Witch Trials. Maybe Chris Hansen is just a different kind of predator.
Posted by: Mike | September 8, 2007, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
All of us, including all posters to this board, wrestle with our private demons on a daily basis. Most of them do not act in the ways these demons want us to. Most of us are strong enough to resist these demons.
But, none of us deserve to be “entraped” the way To Case A Predator does it. I think that the DA is right in refusing to accept these cases for trial. The evidence is tainted by the ego trip of the show’s producers and the police
that participate.
Posted by: Bob R | September 8, 2007, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
I’m shocked and appalled that Brian Ross and 20/20 would run a story sympathetic towards child molesters. Ross should be fired immediately. Oh, and nice reporting on how the prosecutor through out oral confessions by the child molestors. Oh wait, Brian Ross failed to mention that in his “Exposé”. Guess facts can’t get in the way of a good story, eh 20/20? I can barely contain my anger over these horrible, false allegations this man has brought against the good people at Perverted Justice and Chris Hansen. They’ve done so much to limit the actions of internet predators and this is their reward? Persecution from faux reporters like Ross? Pathetic….
Posted by: B Horvath | September 8, 2007, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
You want to do this, do it right. If you are going to set up a sting, do a background check on your volunteers to make sure they are reliable (some of these “volunteers” are convicted felons!). Deputize the “volunteer” and TRAIN them in proper procedure. Get an authorization for a wiretap so you are in conformance with wiretap and eavesdropping laws, get a VALID search warrant; make sure your target and your decoy is within the jurisdiction; Do not use excessive force, make sure you give your suspects miranda warnings so any evidence and statements are admissible. DON’T ENTRAP them!! Don’t go into ADULT chat rooms and then claim they should believe you are a child. Save ALL the evidence, ALL chat logs, IMs emails, etc.
In far too many of these cases, these SIMPLE BASIC procedures weren’t followed.
You people that want to convict someone based on what you see on television !! don’t even know what these people were charged with much less what is required to PROVE the offense under the law. Your lynch mob mentality and lack of appreciation for what our Constitution guarantees is appalling.
Posted by: sally | September 8, 2007, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
20/20 has reduced itself to tabloid television. It was disappointing to see the amazing bias and lack of objective reporting. This segment reinforces the fact that media is a business, not a representative of the public. Needless to say ABC and 20/20 will not be one of my view choices for news or information.
Posted by: Objective Viewer | September 8, 2007, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
After reading a few comments, there are a lot of people who do not know right from wrong, no matter the reasoning THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.
Posted by: S.R. Brumfield | September 8, 2007, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
I’m very happy to see these people put in such compromising and embarrassing situations. What they have done to us, their victims is embarrassing too. It makes me feel like even though I will never see justice for what was done to me and my cousins, atleast someone is getting it.
Posted by: DD | September 8, 2007, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Shame on you! It’s bad enough that there are child molesters living in every neighborhood in this country and not enough is done to actually protect children and families, but then you decide to slam a show that has tried to spotlight the problem and get some of these people off the streets.
Posted by: Linda | September 8, 2007, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
And kudos to ABC for exposing those PERV at Perverted Justice and Dateline – it is so creepy what they are doing, and also so creepy how so many are almost addicted to watching it! Vigilantism is just as sick as the behaviors. I applaud not only ABC but also those police departments with enough spine to resist the temptation (unlike Murphy’s) to ‘put themselves on the map’ via media sensationalism.
Posted by: Captain Obvious | September 8, 2007, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
For those saying the crime was committed when they talked to a “child,” remember they weren’t talking to a child… they were talking to an adult pretending to be a child..
They still have to prove the guy believed he was talking to a child. You put an awful lot of credence into a bunch of vigilantes pretending to be kids on the internet. Hahaha.
Posted by: sally | September 8, 2007, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
How did ABC get the rebroadcast rights from NBC? Why would NBC have given them to them?
Posted by: Nathan | September 8, 2007, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
My husband was so discusted by ABC’s story he commented he would never watch a show aired by ABC again. He changed the channel.
Posted by: Tessie | September 8, 2007, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
So “ABC” is pissed off at NBC for thinking of a show on how to protect our children, from all kinds of “predators”. No wonder NBC is #1 in the media. You know what, ABC needs to get their “PRIORITIES STRAIGHT”. I support Chris Hansen and Dateline 100%. I truly thank God, for this show. It has really made a difference in how to protect our children. I am looking forward to seeing this show in the Fall.
Posted by: Victez | September 8, 2007, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Entertainment and law enforcement should NEVER be ‘in bed’ together.
Justice demands no $ interest, no ‘bigger audience’ motivation.
Catch the predators – without the TV cameras present.
Posted by: Jerry | September 8, 2007, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Hey, sally, if the basice procedures aren’t being met, how come PJ has 222 convictions AND COUNTING? How comes the cops in Murphy don’t have a problem with PJ? Why is Roach the ONLY one in history not to prosecute these scum? Maybe you need to read a little more instead of watching trash “investigations” on 20/20? Yeah. 20/20, GREAT JOB! At creating a “story” which makes you look like the class clown. I’m glad I didn’t watch it, and I’ll make sure that the TV in my house never turns to ABC again. Thanks. I’m sure pedophiles everywhere are thanking you, too.
Posted by: sharon | September 8, 2007, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
to all the dimwits who support this show. Wake up, before YOU are entrapped.INNOCENT til PROVEN guilty, peabrains.
Posted by: don | September 8, 2007, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Also, don’t we have enough crime without “creating” crimes? You’re next, people.
Posted by: don | September 8, 2007, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Brian Ross specifically pointed out that Chris Hansen did not identify himself as a reporter until later in the interview with the predators. In the shows that aired a few weeks later, several predators acknowledged that they had seen the show & knew who her was. These men saw the show & still tried to hook up with a minor. What does that tell you?!!!
I personally would like to ask Mr. Ross a few questions.
Posted by: M. Williams | September 8, 2007, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Bravo to Catch a Predator. As I watched the 20/20 segment I was ashamed that Disney Corp since the time of Walt Disney, more than any other entity world wide has devoted it’s entire exisistence toward the respect and happiness of children, would support a program on their network which basically “defended” the so called rights of sexual predators.
Posted by: tkr | September 8, 2007, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
I don’t care what Dateline did! The point is that these peopel are criminals and should be in jail! It doesn’t matter how they were caught. Now the charges against these 23 men have been dropped? Why??? Just because Dateline and/or the police messed up does not mean that these men should go free! Now they are free to hurt someone else because of a stupid technicality. I can only hope that they somehow get these men off the street before someone gets hurt again!
Posted by: S Testa | September 8, 2007, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
You know I think the same way let the police pick-up these men. They pick-up the hookers on their own without cameras right right.
But causing this man to take his own life there is something going on but to bang down his door go down the hall with guns drawn. Please he did not kill someone did he?
I think CBS ought to get out of this business right away before someone that is innocent kills himself.
Posted by: Carol | September 8, 2007, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Thank you ABC for uncovering the truth that is behind NBC and Dateline. The 1992 rigged explosives on GMC trucks are now the accusation against innocent people to be child predators. NBC is the puppet of Perverted Justice. NBC is being sued by the former producer of to catch a predator. Expect perverted justice and dateline to go by the wayside as entrapment will not continue.
Posted by: UCS | September 8, 2007, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Shame on ABC for condemning NBC for trying to catch predators that are out to do nothing but hurt our children. You must be jealous of the good work they did. You should be doing something to help the communities from these scum instead of trying to ruin the reputation of Chris Hansen and NBC. Instead you are helping the bad guys.
Posted by: CK | September 8, 2007, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
I bet ABC would be airing the same show had they though of it first. I think there’s a little ratings envy going on here.
Any show that protects children should be applauded. ABC and 20/20 seem more concerned with protecting the perps rather than the kids.
Posted by: BCP | September 8, 2007, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Being a victim of a CHILD PREDATOR!!, (CHILD PREDATOR is much too nice a name to be given them!!) I say…CATCH THEM IF YOU CAN, ANYWAY YOU CAN!! WHATEVER IT TAKES!!! This is the first 20/20 I have ever found so disgusting!!! What if that had been your child???
Posted by: LBC | September 8, 2007, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Being a victim of a CHILD PREDATOR!!, (CHILD PREDATOR is much too nice a name to be given them!!) I say…CATCH THEM IF YOU CAN, ANYWAY YOU CAN!! WHATEVER IT TAKES!!! This is the first 20/20 I have ever found so disgusting!!! What if that had been your child???
Posted by: LCB | September 8, 2007, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
It’s quite possible to have contempt for child predators and STILL feel that arresting child predators is NOT an entertainment activity. There’s something very sick and very dark about watching this as entertainment.
Posted by: Deedee | September 8, 2007, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Thank God for Chris Hansen and the series ‘to catch a predator’. Child predators DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS!!! I am glad that NBC has a show that exposes these sick losers and I hope the series will continue for a long time. This man who shot himself did it because he knew he was guilty and he obviously didn’t want to go to jail. ABC, quit blaming this award winning show and focus on coming up with shows that will prevent a child from being raped or killed.
Posted by: Sandy | September 8, 2007, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Then why NOT prosecute them? He had ALL THE EVIDIECE according to his own statements. He has more problems than this. How about making sure BEFORE you release guilty (according to his first statement) pedophiles back into the community?! Ask what other evidence do we have so we can make a case for conviction? Do we have any other information in the transcripts? Can I get the full transcripts BEFORE I’m FORCED to release these pedophiles back into the lives Texas children.
Posted by: Morris | September 8, 2007, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
SHAME ON ABC – what are you doing to catch these losers who have nothing better to do than to rape children. Shame on you 20/20, I will never watch your show again. Chris Hansen and NBC are at least doing something to catch these sickos.
Posted by: Sandy | September 8, 2007, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
NBC Disgusts me….Chris Hansen is the worse one of all. Acting like he’s all big and bad. I hope one day someone shoots him because this is the only way this thing will ever stop,as s always is in American society,till someone gets hurt. This show should be against the law. Let the real police do their work. any police agency that agrees to this should be investigated. In the end all they care is about rating…
Posted by: Raul Olmeda | September 8, 2007, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
After reading some of the comment above, I’ve come to believe that most of you have forgoten that we live in America, and everyone has rights here.
Even these sick perverts have rights.
Instead of attacking 20/20 why don’t we go after the lawmakers who, consider these crimes against kids, to be of no importants.
Posted by: MM | September 8, 2007, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Have you heard of the judges in New England who let three different child molesters who were brought before them out on bail. Also did we all watch the same show, I saw it as ABC questioning Dateline tactics on how they went about the sting ops, not jealously on ABC part, but if I watch a show like Dateline I want the straight truth not the bells and whistles, and not going about where they will ensure rating.I think the premise is a good one, but that does not mean that they check their morals at the door.
Posted by: MM | September 8, 2007, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
A man has died true enough but by his own hand,if there would have been nothing to convict him I am pretty sure he would not have killed himself after all let’s remember who he was.This man also had his computer so protected that it took them three months to find out what he was really hiding.He was a pedophile as he did indeed want to have sex with a person that he thought was a child.He chatted sexually with this boy and actually sent pictures of his genitalia to make sure his intentions were clear.
Posted by: L.Williams | September 8, 2007, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
I think the premise is a good one, but that does not mean that they check their morals at the door.
Posted by: rezoned | September 8, 2007, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
This is terrible. The show should be shut down. I have watched it out of amusement in the past, but will never watch again and will not purchase from those who advertise (if I am aware of who advertises since I will not watch).
Posted by: James | September 8, 2007, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
I can’t help but wonder why ABC wants to help return child predators to the streets. Because of this show, there could be many many convictions voided, or charges dropped because some lawyer decides that the way the busts were handled wasn’t by the book.
Thanks ABC. I’m sure there are children and families all across the country that are thankful you saw fit to help release these perverts back to pray on children everywhere.
Posted by: s.jackson | September 8, 2007, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Good job DATELINE. Really bad sportsmanship ABC. Its all about air time isn’t it. Do you care that these men are on the streets? As long as its not your kid I guess its ok?
Posted by: raven | September 8, 2007, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
I have to comment on your segment on “To Catch a Predator Gone Bad.”
I was disappointed in your show. I’ve been a fan of your show for many, many years. Was the purpose of this segment to put down NBC’s Dateline? Was is to shoe Dateline’s poor journalism skills? Or was it to show that child molesters are getting a raw deal from NBC and the justice system?
Posted by: Sandy | September 8, 2007, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
I don’t know about ya’ll but I’ve never once accidentally fell into a chat room…accidentally started a chat with a child…accidentally sent pictures of me playing with my genitals…accidentally set up a meeting with the child…resulting in accidentally showing up at their house to accidentally boink them. I’ve never accidentally downloaded loads of kiddie porn either. Point is, I can’t think of a single scenario where I would be entrapped into doing any of the above and be totally innocent.
Posted by: FS | September 8, 2007, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
are you serious!!! they really let those sick jerks go. great now all these gray areas in the legal system are now open and for use to all of the child molesters. and abc you get two thumbs down for me. your network wasnt even trying to teach people how these men trick and decive kids. good job nbc im glad you guys had the guts to show people what they NEED to see. NOW THAT WAS MUST SEE TV! keep up the good work.
Posted by: L MOM | September 8, 2007, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
I don’t know about ya’ll but I’ve never once accidentally fell into a chat room…accidentally started a chat with a child…accidentally sent pictures of me playing with my genitals…accidentally set up a meeting with the child…resulting in accidentally showing up at their house to accidentally boink them. I’ve never accidentally downloaded loads of kiddie porn either. Point is, I can’t think of a single scenario where I would be entrapped into doing any of the above and be totally innocent.
Thank you Dateline NBC and Perverted Justice!
Posted by: FS | September 8, 2007, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
I have been thinking since the 20/20 show and my two above comments. In short I gave ABC and 20/20 two thumbs up.
Now what I was thinking is this. Wouldn’t it be great in this country if our news networks started keeping an eye on each other? Instead of all news networks finding different ways to tell the same story all the time, instead they say, “hey, wait, thats not the whole story,” or “Sorry news network 123, you got it half right or completely wrong.”
Posted by: Ron | September 8, 2007, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Hey 20/20,
America’s Most Wanted just opened their 21st season tonight. Isn’t it about time you went after them too? Or do you only have a soft spot for child molesters?
Posted by: Dean Corll | September 8, 2007, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Your show is DEAD WRONG. Anything & anyone (vigilantes included) who gets pedophiles off the street & preferably DEAD should be contgratulated & supported not berated by your worthless group. Defend the innocent children who can’t protect themselves not the worthless vultures who harm them!
Posted by: KC | September 8, 2007, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Can’t imagine how Chris Hansen can sleep at night. He may as well have pulled the trigger on the gun that killed the prosecutor from Texas. His 15 minutes of fame are long over. Thank you Brian Ross!
Posted by: gayle | September 8, 2007, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Shame on you 20/20!!!! I cannot believe you have the audacity to criticize Dateline for attempting to protect children and inform the public of just how real the threat of child predators is. You should be joining them, these sickos should be afraid of being exposed on national television, maybe that will deter them from any further perverse behavior.
Posted by: concerned | September 8, 2007, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Thanks for the piece. I thought it was well done. I hope the police chief is held accountable for his actions and his words.
Posted by: MurphyMadness | September 8, 2007, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
ABC seems to be trying to advocate protection of the most vile criminals in our society and their criminal behavior. When people think about the rights of the accused, are they thinking about protecting criminal behavior? Rights of the accused are to protect against unjust prosecutions. If a person is guilty of a crime they are a criminal and should be punished accordingly. The predators in the Dateline show are criminals.
Posted by: johneb | September 8, 2007, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
ENTRAPMENT: I call a moratorium on this impossibility. Everyone of these men initiated contact with Perverted Justice believing either at first or within the first part of the chat that they were talking to a child.
You can not be entrapped, if you intitiate the conversation, bring up sex, explain all the sexual exploits you want to do with the child, then show up brining the sex items you said you would bring.
Posted by: Carel | September 8, 2007, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
SHAME ON YOU, 20/20! It’s obvious you have some jealousy towards your competitor, Dateline and its success. Your show bashing Perverted Justice & Dateline should be the nail in your coffin. As a mother of 3 young boys I welcome any means used to contain these perverts.
Posted by: Rhonda | September 8, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
SHAME ON YOU ABC!!!! Talk about bitter grapes. With all of the stories going on in the world, you had to smear a competitor!! You are just mad that you didn’t think of the premise first. I don’t care what they do to get these sickos off the street!! I don’t care if they air their pictures 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Good for you NBC. And any other parent worth a cuss would be applauding NBC also!!!
Posted by: Lisa Barron | September 8, 2007, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
The egregious behavior of the networks should be severely punished. The fact that this TV program is permitted to turn crime prevention into blood sport is despicable and every person who claims otherwise (on this blog and elsewhere) has blood on his hands.
A person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. No one – NO ONE – should be subject to this kind of vigilantism and perversion of justice, even those we despise.
Posted by: Tom | September 8, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Amazing the number of people here with their Cracker Jack legal degrees. Likewise, they have no idea the role journalism is SUPPOSED to play in our legal process. They are supposed to REPORT what police do….not BE the police. THAT’S the difference. It’s frightening how many people believe everything Chris Hansen does is 100% true, factual and legal. This is why we have a legal PROCESS…and that process is not “just because Chris says so.”
Posted by: John | September 8, 2007, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
I could not believe it when I saw ABC attempting to destroy a competitor network’s useful, necessary, child-saving “To Catch A Predator” series. It reveals your network as “jealous cuthroats who are NOT useful, necessary nor child-saving. The rebuttal on NBC of the “actual” events of the Murphy Texas incidents was FAR DIFFERENT than the way you portrayed the story. I know now why ABC news is NOT the trusted source for news!!!
Posted by: envydancers | September 8, 2007, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
This district attorney abused his authority by dismissing these cases. He did it not to protect the public but to harm a television network.
He said himself that the crime was committed when the child molesters wrote to people whom they believed were under aged youth and then made the arrangement to meet for sex.
Posted by: Sam | September 8, 2007, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Conradt’s sister is now suing NBC, claiming its actions led to her brother’s death.
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lmao…..her brother’s action led to his own death. I don’t care how these guys go, as long as we get them off the street!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: WISCONSIN | September 8, 2007, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
It seems too likely to me that the cameras could have led to this man’s death. Perverted Justice is not an ethical consultant group, their information is very questionable and I know for a fact they post inaccuracies.
Posted by: Tyciol | September 8, 2007, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
This episode reveals jealously and shoddy reporting at just about every level possible for ABC. Some nitwit came up with the idea and ABC proceeds to spend how many thousands of $$$$’s producing/airing it?
Stop for a minute and consider this:
How many people put in how many hours working on this episode?
Compare that to the staff and volunteers at PervertedJustice.
At the end of the day one group of people aided law enforcement in the apprehension of disgusting scum. Others have nothing but a pathetic 42 minutes of television that they’re likely ashamed to admit they were a party to.
I know which group I’d rather belong to.
Anyone know where I can sign up to help PervertedJustice???
Posted by: Kelsee | September 8, 2007, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
How about really doing something here to stop all the nonsense. How about holding parents liable and young users of computers and the internet, just as responsible for the situation. If young people knew that they would be held liable for having conversations with adults online and the parents also knew that they would be held liable, let’s see how many meetings would take place. This has been going on for years and years and we still don’t get it. Young people can be just as crafty and devious as older people. It is the year 2007 now and we haven’t woken up, we would rather beat each other up. Make it a two way street. Why on Earth would such a young person have unlimited access to the internet, where are the parents?
Funny this story should come out the same day Vanessa Hudgen’s story about her nude photos. Even Still, the young people who watch HSM, still worship Vanessa and wish her the best and want Vanessa to be in HSM3. Teenagers go crazy for people like Britney and the likes.
How many young people are on the internet and know how to use it better than older people.
Posted by: beeswax | September 9, 2007, 12:09 am 12:09 am
First of all I do not care that that man chose to take his life. He knew that we was caught and chose that path.
Personally I feel that the children are safer without him in this world. Second, shame on the DA for dropping the cases against the men that admitted their guilt on national television.
Posted by: LP | September 9, 2007, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Why is no one asking how he found out he was talking to a decoy? He quite certainly knew if he started deleting his profiles, etc. Could he possibly have been tipped off by someone who knew about the the sting in advance..??? Like maybe a neighboring DA? Just something to think about
Posted by: suz | September 9, 2007, 1:51 am 1:51 am
I had just checked to see recent posts & interestingly found my post went under the name Richard on Sept 8 2007 3:16:22am so I will assume Richard’s post was under mine on Sept 8 2007 3:19:25. There is over a 2 hour time with no posts before that. The company who runs the blog board seemed to have some how messed up on the postings.
Anyways to continue my thoughts from my last post as said I do enjoy the show but I do not feel NBC should have been involved in getting a “confession” out of them on national TV. It was almost like impersonating an officer. Many that were arrested thought Chris Hanson was a police officer.
I have watched “Cops” many times But with “cops” the network was NOT involved other then filming incidents as they actually happened. With “To Catch a Predator” NBC is directly involved with the law enforcement activities that lead up to an arrest.
I do believe there is a conflict of interest there.
Posted by: Stan F | September 9, 2007, 2:39 am 2:39 am
To all of you guys that have ABC down as helping the child molesters, please get real. Also, the argument that ABC is jealous of NBC is bogus. ABC’s 20/20 had a legitimate story which NBC certainly hasn’t told you, namely that Chris Hansen and crew crossed the line in how it handled the Conradt case if not all these cases in doing the “To Catch a Predator” show in the way that it has. What business is it of NBC to interview predators other than perverse ratings? The same goes for preverted justice. And, no, this doesn’t mean that I don’t think that the police should be vigorously investigating internet crimes. I do believe they should be, and they are doing exactly that. Since the crimes have already been committed by the time the guys show up, the objective should be to safely take these men into police custady, right? What’s next? A pervert bringing a gun inside and shooting up the house? This is why stings should be managed by police officers and not by Chris Hansen. Thanks to ABC’s 20/20 for doing this story and for posting all these comments.
Posted by: cj1901 | September 9, 2007, 3:40 am 3:40 am
I was amused after reading some of these comments. “Everyone is innocent until proven guilty”…If that was so then everyone would be out walking the streets instead of locked up behind bars until their trial. What do you think happens?…the police shows up at your door, softly knocks and hands you a piece of paper stating that “we have evidence that you have molested the child down the block and that you need to show up for court on this certain date”…lol. Yes, there is a process but it does involve an arrest.
…and Bob..yes, we all have our demons but not all our demons cause such devastation in other people’s lives.
Posted by: Ty | September 9, 2007, 4:44 am 4:44 am
What any of you people fail to understand, NBC should not be making the news. It’s nothing but gutter journalism. The cases are difficult to prosecute because the transcripts are incomplete, these stings are not done by law enforcement, but by someone who is getting paid by a tv network.Of course they will only report the part of the transcripts that makes for good (in some peoples warped mind) television.Chris Hansen is nothing but a bully that has very obvious power and control issues and has this overwhelming desire to say, We’ll I’m Chris Hansen from dateline NBC. Thank God there is a mute button on my remote.
Do you think for a moment that hansen cares about the damage he is doing to the children and families of these fools caught in the stings? The children shouldn’t have to pay for the sins of their fathers. They didn’t commit any crimes, but are being punished. I’m all for law enforcement doing these stings. In fact I wish they would step it up. It shouldn’t be made for television sting, but to help protect children. Hansen and his bunch are actually doing more harm with these shows. Legitimate stings run by law enforcement will have a more difficult time catching the people that prey on children since NBC educated these people that it’s dangerous for them to go to a house to meet children. They will just find another way to prey on children. Let law enforcement do their job.
Posted by: Bill | September 9, 2007, 7:21 am 7:21 am
I feel sorry for the Chief when the plaintiff’s attorney takes a deposition from him.The way he handled the telephone number he will be a punching bag.
Posted by: Barry | September 9, 2007, 8:16 am 8:16 am
You, the majority of the people commenting here are so incessantly blind that it is like a plague and absolutely a shock to the concience.
What people are not seeing here is that the people who run Perverted Justice take innocent people and make them into pedophiles. What if this happened to you? What would you do?
People are taking pictures of other people and making these idiots believe that is the person they are dealing with and even if they know you are innocent they don’t care they will go through extraordinary lengths to make it so for monetary gain. Perverted Justice alters text from chat logs among many other illegal activities and are just as guilty of exploiting children as are the people they are luring. Who’s doing the exploiting? People are blind when it comes to what looks on the surface as a meritorious effort to protect children but in reality is actually a ploy to make money, this is where people get the Devil in them when it comes to monetary gain.
Why do websites with internet chatrooms allow adults to chat with children and teenagers in the first place? When they already have the infrastruture in place to do background checks? Who’s doing the exploiting? Rather than prevent predatory behavior of children before it happens, social networking websites allow it to persist to get media attention by exploiting children, in my opinion the website owners are the most evil criminals on the face of the earth by allowing it to continue, truly they are pedophiles and promoters of child rape.
Posted by: unperceived_personal_liaison | September 9, 2007, 9:33 am 9:33 am
How is what happened different from a lynching? A lynching by designated thugs with high-tech equipment and old-fashioned self-righteousness?
Posted by: commentor | September 9, 2007, 10:44 am 10:44 am
I cannot believe they let all those preditators go! None of the other place let all of them go. Makes me wonder about the motives of Mr.Roach. Was he friends with the assistant D.A. from the neighboring county? Was he just trying to flex his power because he did not want them to do this sting? He said the preditators had already broken the law when they made the contact with the minors – well it has been proven that they do not go after these people. Luring them in is a sure thing. I am livid that he let these people go to prave on more children.
Posted by: Kay Owen | September 9, 2007, 10:49 am 10:49 am
I just heard Chris Hansen’s response to ABC’s report and I believe NBC is doing a good job. Doesn’t matter how or who they get, when you catch adults that use children for sex its great. Shame on ABC for going after NBC.
Jere
Posted by: Jere Conley | September 9, 2007, 11:01 am 11:01 am
after watching abc news and brian ross trying to spliy hairs over the legalities of getting human scum off the streets,like that d.a.who committed suicide,which i was very happy to see-because that hypocritical piece of human garbage is held to a higher standard, my wife and I will no longer watch any news shows on abc.Your jelously over DATELINES ratings went too far-shame on you brian ross!
Posted by: Tom Northrop | September 9, 2007, 11:07 am 11:07 am
As a victim of child molestation I was thrilled that someone found a way to draw these guys out.
It did not happen to me once, but repeatedly by older men when I was a child.
If they had NBC’s show on back then, maybe, even though I had “victim” written on my forehead, it would have made those men think twice before going through with it!!
The men that were caught, I can guarantee that they sent disgusting material to young people repeatedly. Material that a child maybe your child, will carry in there minds eye FOREVER. And the ones who showed up at the house…What if it had been your home ABC?
They steal innocence. If it had been one of your children ABC and District attorney John Roach, I am sure you would be on your knees thanking God and NBC and the police who got these guys off the street. Imagine everyone…. lost innocence. Damaged for LIFE. Putting deadly fear in us to EVER trust again.
20/20 makes me terrified that NBC will have to stop the show. Dear God, over a ratings war? May God have mercy on you because I see you protecting the men and hurting the innocent children present and future who would benefit from Datelines To Catch A Predator.
What is wrong with you people? THEY ARE CATCHING MEN FINALLY THAT HURT OUR CHILDREN!!!! HOW CAN THAT BE WRONG? Watch the shows. Most of the men are repeat offenders. They cannot stop by themselves. It is a sick disease and addiction. PROTECT OUR CHILDREN USING ANY MEANS POSSIBLE.
Posted by: Julieann | September 9, 2007, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Letting news media call the shots turned to disaster causing the death of ATF agents and cult members in Waco Texas. Same thing happened in Somalia causing the death of American soldiers and Marines. The news media should never call the shots in any police or military operation. The news medial should know that and the police & military should certainly know that. Now the predators are free to hurt more children.
Posted by: Royce | September 9, 2007, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
I was hoping that the public might be more supportive of this 20/20 segment. The answer is not to bash either program but to become educated on the tactics used by pedophiles. It is a serious thing that most definitely needs to be addressed. However, prosecuting this type of crime or any other needs to be done legally and by those that are professionals. The chat logs need to be authenticated and intent of the accused needs to be confirmed. We have laws that need to be upheld for everyone regardless of the crime. Pedophiles don’t snatch our children off the internet! Parents hand them over to them by not monitoring what their children do when they are online. Pedophiles hang out at theme parks, McDonalds, soccer games, your neighborhood park. They come in both sexes, they are teachers, doctors, lawyers, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, family friends, clergy from every walk of life. AND they are generally someones son, daughter, mother or father…that not only brings the pain on themselves but their entire family. Reading the post on here remind of a lynch mob, then we wonder what is wrong with our nation and our children! Instead of ABC or NBC doing these types of shows, how about one that gets to the truth of the matter and tells parents how to spot a predator, teach your children to stay away from strangers or family members for that matter, that may act inappropriately.
Posted by: J | September 9, 2007, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
The PEDOPHILES are so THANKFUL to you 20/20!!
Posted by: Sandra H | September 9, 2007, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
I DON’T CARE if Chris Hansen and NBC are making money, writing books, doing it for “sensationalism”, making this a Broadway Play!! Etc. If it gets these WOULD BE Sex Offenders OFF the Streets and away from our children I DON’T GIVE A DAMN!! As long as the END result is our children’s lives and bodies being protected!!!! It’s complete liberal idiots like 20/20 that let monsters who are CLEARLY GUILTY off in a court trials because of some stupid “reasonable doubt” crap! Perverted Justice IS JUSTICE you MORONS!!
Posted by: Sidneys Mom | September 9, 2007, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
What I found particularly instructive, was how, in the immediate weeks following the “Predator” broadcast of the suicide in Murphy, Texas, Chris Hanson went on a virtual media blitz. He appeared on all the usual tabloid shows, as well as shows he normally wouldn’t appear on, including “The Daily Show”, and “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno.”
Since he had never done that before (timing a media blitz surrounding a particularly controversial story), he obviously was doing a spin job, to prevent critical thinking on the part of the public.
Interesting how neither Chris Hanson nor anyone from “Perverted Justice” would appear on “20/20.” WHY is Chris afraid to be interviewed by another network? Both Hanson and “Perverted Justice” also refused to be interviewed on PBS’ “Frontline” program examining media tabloid program.
Apparently, they only go on shows which praise them. When they face REAL journalists, where they will be questioned critically, they avoid it like the plague…
Posted by: Chris | September 9, 2007, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Chris Hanson fans: Ever had an impure thought cross your mind? Then do the right thing and turn yourself into the authorities, now. You have committed ThoughtCrime and have already been found guilty under PreCrime law.
Satire aside, the Newstainment industry should spend more time going after REAL predators and less after one’s they CREATE. Read Milton Mankoff’s comments above. He is one of few here offering level-headed input about this hot-button subject.
Posted by: Taborca | September 9, 2007, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
It’s sad when you see companies like ABC siding with the pedophiles because their competition has a successful program. What about the children? Maybe the DA out there who dropped all these charges was protecting his own kind. ABC should be investigating why he dropped the ball on all these sure-win cases.
Posted by: Me | September 9, 2007, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Law Enforcement within every community I have ever lived in always asks for the assistance of the public. Police cannot do it alone. Most are underfunded and do not have enough officers. PJ.com has successfully given excellent and unaltered evidence to the police to make all those arrests. Prosecutors have proven in court that PJ provides first class solid evidence for prosecution. The courts (cases in both state and federal levels) have prevailed in over 95% of the cases. Most do not even go to trial as the suspects plead guilty or nolo contendere. You cannot belittle success.
This PJ group are not in any way vigilantes. They never solicit these child predator suspects. The suspect is always the initiator. Evidence is never altered or made up. These people work hand in hand with local authorities. PJ never do the arrests themselves.
PJ is an excellent example of citizens directly assisting law enforcement.
Posted by: Bob Fox | September 9, 2007, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
“How is what happened different from a lynching? A lynching by designated thugs with high-tech equipment and old-fashioned self-righteousness? ” … too good for these animals … skin them alive!
Posted by: wert | September 9, 2007, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I would like to thank Dateline NBC, 2020 and any/all programs who are trying to bring these preditors to justice. I know first hand what this can do to a child as I had the unfortunate experience of being sexual assualted by a family member but I never told anyone to this day (this went on from the time I was about 6 yrs old until I graduated high school. I always thought it was me. What was I doing wrong? But God chose me for a reason and I truly believe this. I am 54 yrs old and finally wrote a book to try and help children and convince them to tell, tell, tell the whole world if any adult touches them inappropriately. This is one sad world we live in and this went on with me during the 1950′s thru the 1970′s. I am not a salesperson and don’t know how to market my book but once again I must remain unanonamous because tis person’s children and my sisters /all living/ know nothing of my experiences. He is now dead and I am glad and may his soul rot in hell forever.
Posted by: Carol Orgeron | September 9, 2007, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
As someone who has been molested I would like to commend NBC on working to catch these sick individuals that prey on children. These people who hurt children the way they do, either do not realize what we have to deal with because of what they did to us or they do not care. I am thirty years old now and I still suffer from what my mother’s husband did to me. I am married and have two children of my own and I worry every single day that someone will harm them the way I was harmed. There is nothing more heart wrenching than having to explain to your child why they can not visit their grandmother, my mother chose to stay with her husband even when she realized he not only hurt me and my sister but he also molested his own daughters. I do not let my children near him whatsoever and my mother is supervised by me when/if we visit. The people that think these mens constitutional rights are being violated have never had to deal with a third of the problems I have had to face, even eventually going into therapy and talking to a stranger about how to help me. God Bless the creators of this show on NBC and I pray it is not cancelled.
Posted by: Katie | September 9, 2007, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
TCAP and Perverted-Justice are just fanning the flames and riding the wave of the latest moral panic. In addition they are deflecting responsibility by blackening the name of a dead guy and misusing the public’s revulsion at the very mention of child pornography.
Their ridiculous antics trivialize child victims and distract from the most prevalent forms of child sexual abuse, which are those committed by people known to victims and their families…in the REAL world.
Fanatics have no place in legitimate law enforcement and no contribution to make in the prevention of abuse and victimization. Period.
Posted by: Windswept | September 9, 2007, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
There’s nothing wrong with catching pedophiles; it’s a wonderful thing. However, that’s not the job of the news reporters. It’s the job of the police using evidence and the law. he job of news agencies is to REPORT the news, not make it. The victim who shot himself did not receive his day in court, nor due process of the law, and that is every American’s right, no matter how heinous his crime. Consider the possibility that one of these times they make a mistake and someone truly innocent is set up and ends up killing himself or someone else. Or what if someone set YOU up for a fall? Your name and reputation is smeared regardless of whether or not you later prove your innocence. People who watch these shows are just as guilty as the idiots who make them. And the parents of underage kids should be more responsible in keeping an eye on their children and their actions. If they don’t take that responsibility, they shouldn’t be parents.
Posted by: Jonathan | September 9, 2007, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
I believe it is a shame that someone took their own life. I do not believe that NBC or the police are the cause though. I think that had this man not had some sort of illness that he felt the need to, if only, fantasize about children. Anyone that preys on children deserves to be arrested, and the fact that he saw television cameras should not be his reason. Anyone convicted of any sexual crime will have their picture made available to anyone. One tragic accident in the plentiful stream of successful arrests, keeping these perverts away from children, however tragic, still a small price to pay!
Posted by: Megan | September 9, 2007, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
SHAME ON YOU 20/20!!! You owe apologies to Dateline, Perverted Justice, and the police officers involved.
The rest of you need to get your facts straight. I had reservations about the whole To Catch a Predator process and went to the source for information. Go to PJ’s website and read their FAQs. They have over 200 convictions so I guess they must be doing something right.
Posted by: ls | September 9, 2007, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
By any means necessary get these child molesters off the streets. I listen to the CNN interview this morning and I was shocked that ABC would take a stand against what NBC is doing to protect our children. Shame on you ABC.
Posted by: p cunningham | September 9, 2007, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Bravo NBC, Chris Hansen and Perverted Justice! Another monster off the streets (and off the internet).
Posted by: Stephanie | September 9, 2007, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
you’re next, Sheeple. But I understand. Bush got elected so 1/2 the people (at least voters) in this country are stupid.
Posted by: don | September 9, 2007, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Where the hell is the ethical reporting typical of Cronkite. It is so sad that most people are too young to remember how Walter cronkite did things. What a damn pity.
Posted by: linda yancey | September 9, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Criminals don’t play with fair rules and sometimes you need the help of others to get them – the POLICE CAN’T DO IT ALL (spend hours & hours – days & says – weeks & weeks – getting the confidence of a slimy pedophile) That is why Perverted Justice is a must! It take a village to raise a child and one PERVERT to destroy one. Why make it harder to stop someone trying to use children for sexual gain? Apparently – Murphy, TX (or surrounding area – where he is from) wants to have the pedophiles in all aspects of it’s community (having a PEDOPHILE as an Asst. D.A.! I just bet he was really tough of his own kind i.e. other pedophiles like himself!) That Asst. D.A. BLACKENED his own eye with his own actions of soliciting a minor over the net and sending pornography over the net to a minor. He did it all to himself! And his sister seeking her own fame and is shamelessly money hungry herself trying to capitalize – suing NBC. Who can even find it possible to stand by and defend a slimy pedophile – even if he is your brother! Going after children – that is what is shameful – she just embarrassed herself on 20/20 – I bet she would have been out raged if it was HER child being prayed upon! I hope she don’t get a dime out of anyone for her brother’s own reckless, self destructive, life ending event!
It is appalling that 20/20 wants to waste air time protecting pedophiles – SHAME on you 20/20 – personally attacking another news agency! Are you that hard up for ratings? I am done with 20/20 and Brian Ross – It is a shame because 20/20 USED to be so honorable!
Tivo: Season Pass….20/20…..deleted!
Posted by: CJM | September 9, 2007, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
CJM you just don’t get it do you? Our CONSTITUTION doesn’t favor anyone. Pedos DO ruin lives, but how are they worse than murderers? Shoplifting OK with you? Burglary? It isn’t THAT bad. Wake up, sheep.
Posted by: don | September 9, 2007, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
abc was my source of information but not anymore, i can trust news show that make sick perverts look like victims, they are sick animals who pray on our children. they don,t have to answer those decoys or agree to meet the at their houses and if they shoot themselves that is because they know they did something wrong every pedophile should follow william conradt lead and shoot themselves. our world will be a better place for it. thank you to nbc for doing something for our children, maybe abc should try and follow nbc’s lead and try to help with this problem instead of being the problem shame on you this is nothing but sour grapes on abc’s part
Posted by: minerva hernandez | September 9, 2007, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
First off… shame on 20/20 for making Dateline and the Police Department the bad guys here. The bad guys are the ones trolling the internet looking for kids to meet and have sexual relations with. I did not see anywhere in the Dateline series or in the 20/20 report where the “predators” were tricked or coerced into doing something that they would not have otherwise done. Second, that District Attorney is a joke. To say that he could not use the statements because Chris Hanson used them is ridiculous. That’s what Miranda and a post arrest interview is for. He said it himself that the crime is committed before the predators reach the house. In that case, you don’t need any statement.
Second, It does not matter who “runs” or orchestrates the operation for successful prosecution. Let’s say that your car is burglarized several times so you set up a video camera in your driveway or window to catch the thieves. If you do catch them, can you turn that video into the police for prosecution??? OF COURSE you can and the police need merely go and apprehend the perpetrator. The police in that scenario did nothing during the investigation.
Third, as for the use of guns, etc to apprehend these guys… hogwash. Has anyone ever tried to apprehend someone who has their life to lose. They will fight like dogs to not get caught. That is precisely what happened to the neighboring D.A. that took his own life. It is hypocritical to say that the cops should not have used guns to do the takedowns and also say that the enforcement actions led to the suicide. 20/20 showed the desparation in airing the suicide information and thus contradicted itself on the criticism in the manner of the takedowns.
I could go on for days, but I think you get the point. Everyone is trying to move focus from the predators to those trying to catch them. I would expect that the good people of the United States would have more sense about them and protect their children. I guess I was wrong.
Posted by: Anthony Snow | September 9, 2007, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
If the sister wins the law suit and receives millions because of her brothers death, she should donate all the money to help stop child predators.
How much money does the victims who has been abused receive? Most of the time, all they get if a life time of problems.
I’m curious. How many child molesters have been arrested in that area of Texas in the last 5 years. The law enforment who was interviewed on 20/20 feels they didn’t need the dateline. They can find predators and do the job themselves. Hopefully you’re catching the predators before they catch the kids.
Posted by: Dorothy Johnson | September 9, 2007, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
This is so funny. Everyone is so angry at 20/20 without cause. How many of the negative posts are from Perverted Justice and NBC Dateline employee’s? Hmmm….. You have to wonder.
ABC and 20/20 I added your show to my weekly list of must shows to watch. Believe me it is a very small list since most things on TV, well, stink now a days.
People listen to yourselves. Most are saying it is ok for others to enforce laws even if they are not trained at all in that area. It makes me sick that we in this country have come to this all time low with our attitudes. When did 20/20 say that they where for sexual predators? Please tell me! Name once they said that!
Oh yeah, I forgot. They attacked Dateline which means the same thing as when we where told that if we disagreed with Bush we where for terrorists. Yeah, great mentality we have now a days.
People get facts from official sources not sources that have ratings and/or money as their primary goal. Of course that takes something many in our great country have shown a lack for, intelligence and brains.
20/20 had the courage and backbone to report a news story on a competitor knowing full well that there would be a backlash. Well there are more people that have taken 20/20 side on this then the few here that have left comments.
20/20 is an awesome show. But any news show that tells a person how to think is not worth watching. Any news show that plays on anger and disgust is not worth watching.
The police and law enforcement that are trained well and know how to do their jobs don’t need any help. Thanks to Dateline and Perverted Justice 23 people who committed a crime are free and one is dead who was never brought to justice. So lets say that only half of those 23 hurt a child. Who’s fault is that? 20/20? No. The courts? No. NBC, the few police taking orders from NBC, Dateline and Perverted Justice. That is NOT exceptable at all.
What is more important. True justice or a TV show? What is more important Americans or ratings?
Leave the real police work to those trained for it. This is not a Hollywood movie or a Jerry Springer like show. This is reality, the real world.
To all the police that have caught criminals and kept our streets safe without wanting fame, THANK YOU. To all vigilantes GET A LIFE. To Dateline GET REAL. To ABC and 20/20 EXCELLENT, NICE, GREAT JOB.
To everyone else, get the facts and think for yourself. Reality is more important then any and all TV shows.
Signed,
A new 20/20 viewer and a tired of the drama and lack of common sense American.
Posted by: Reality_Please | September 9, 2007, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
It appears most responders on here are against what 20/20 did. I could not let this go by without comment. I applaud 20/20 for reporting on this and exposing Dateline and Perverted Justice for what they are…perverted! I am not condoning or approve of anyone abusing or hurting a minor. They should go to jail. What I think is dispicable is the sensationalism of the media, police departments that agree to putting on this charade, and Perverted Justice looking for nothing more than free publicity. What appears to be people putting on Superman outfits and being the “good guys” are nothing more than vigilaties themselves and luring their catch. I feel sorry for the guy that shot himself. I also feel sorry for the many guys that took the bait and had their lives shattered by Dateline’s irresponsible reporting. This is truly a travesty and one that smacks of guilty until proven innocent. If Dateline(or 20/20) really wants to make a dent in making our society better, they need to go after the porn industry. Porn runs rampant on our college campuses and gets into the hands of our youth at the stroke of a key on their computer or the flip of a channel on their dish TV system. These are the sexual predators of the future and we have yet to see the tip of the iceberg.
Posted by: John | September 9, 2007, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Is ABC news crazy? They have certainly lost this viewer. Dateline NBC’s work has brought to light how prolific predators are. Dan Hanson and Perverted Justice have raised America’s consciousness on the dangers to children on the internet and elsewhere. I feel sorry for the sister who must soon realize that as an assistant DA, her brother most likely took his life because he knew exactly what would happen to him.
Posted by: Linda | September 9, 2007, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
Shame on ABC? Shame on all of you! No one here is defending a pedophile. Regardless of what this man was doing, he still has rights (this is America after all). NBC and Perverted Justice decided to go into the law enforcement business. Unfortunately, they don’t have the training that law enforcement agencies have. If they were interested in catching criminals, they should have let the law enforcement agencies handle this beginning to end.
NBC doesn’t consult the citizens of the city where they want to stage their operations. The citizens of Murphy did NOT want this to happen in their town but NBC didn’t care. They just want ratings.
Posted by: PJB | September 9, 2007, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
who cares if them men are put on tv and interviewed and asked why they are doing what they are doing now we know what they look like and if they are in our cities, and our schools we know. how many of these perv get away with what they do, they do a few years and they are back out and know body knowS, now we do THANK YOU NBC! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Posted by: Tammy Valadez | September 9, 2007, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
20/20, SHAME ON YOU! -
1) DA is the one “looking for a few minutes of TV” time.
2) ABC is clearly jealous of NBC.
3) Pedophiles do not deserve sympathy – EVER.
4) Why should we wait until a criminal goes to work to arrest him? Because he is a DA?
20/20 – THIS IS TRULY DISGUSTING!
Posted by: Disappointed | September 9, 2007, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
ABC you should be ashamed that you have chosen to defend the actions of these sick individuals. All these men came to the house, even though invited, with the intention of sleeping with a minor child. Do you not think it is wrong? Do you think that even them doing this on the internet is wrong? As a father who is worried everyday so much that my children are not allowed on the internet unless I monitor. I find it a good thing that there are people wanting to stop them. So for your story you are just trying to discredit a fellow news agency. Your story is just for ratings and what the DA here in Texas has done is shameful and disgusting. He even said in your piece they broke the law without coming to the house so if it is the sting he has a problem with then charge them for the pictures they sent and for the fact they thought they were chatting explicitly with a minor. Why didn’t you ask him that question?
Posted by: Anthony | September 10, 2007, 1:11 am 1:11 am
Anybody who comes on here speaking of the rights of child sex offenders who preys on children is a sub-human POS that is suspect of the act itself. So I guess next week 20/20 can go behind the scenes of America’s Most Wanted because everybody knows that criminals seem to have more rights then victims these days and the best place for criminals is not behind bars or in the ground. But, On the streets of America where they can victimize. To the idiot that said he hopes someone shoots Chris Hansen are you kidding me? Last, But not least 20/20 Police Departments do stings and use the media every day to help solve crimes. I guess ABC News now has a policy of “Stop Snitching” Because if ABC helped to put the criminals away what would ABC report on 75% other then the BS in Washington?
Posted by: Roy | September 10, 2007, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Conradt would not have been given the death penalty for his crimes. Dateline should accept some responsibility. I like the show, and I believe it is positive and beneficial for America. However, NBC must admit that when you embark in unprecedented territory, mistakes are inevitable, and you should accept responsibility and learn from them. They caused someone to take his own life. They didn’t put the gun in his hand, or pull the trigger, but if it wasn’t for the show, Conradt’s life would not have ended in such a sad, horrible way. Conradt’s family deserves to be treated the same way NBC would treat any family whose loved one died as a result of one of their shows. I think many people are afraid to admit, even to themselves, that these people caught on the show are humans too. Before you judge, imagine if your darkest secret was made public on national TV.
Posted by: J Gravy | September 10, 2007, 1:31 am 1:31 am
20/20 came across as jelous losers and Collin County District Attorney John Roach should step down from his job. He has no clue to the amount of predators stalking young children as proven by Dateline and I here of him catching zero of them. We should embrace the efforts of Dateline even though it has entertainment values as well. As far as ratings go…. Come on, we all like to the bad guys taken down. As far as the dead guy = child porn = fair trade. They can not be cured so either removed from society or do the right thing and off ones self. 20/20 should be ashamed!
Posted by: Joe | September 10, 2007, 2:04 am 2:04 am
20/20 bad
Dateline good
Collin County District Attorney John Roach bad
Chris Hanson good
William Conradt bad
To defend a predator is just plain bad.
You went wrong to try to prove otherwise. bye bye 20/20.
Posted by: Joseph | September 10, 2007, 2:26 am 2:26 am
I am so disappointed in you ABC Primetime! It seemed like sour grapes to me. How could you not give credit where credit is due. What NBC did was extremely commendable! They have taken action to protect our children. What you have done to try to discredit the show is dishonorable. The show was an eye opener for people to see just how many sick people there are out there in all walks of life that are out to hurt our children.
THANK GOD FOR NBC and 20/20!!!
Posted by: Gail Bush | September 10, 2007, 2:33 am 2:33 am
I’m referring all your readers to an article published in Rolling Stone magazine on this subject; especially for those of you who feel that NBC is doing a service.
I applaud ABC for doing the right thing and asking questions about this ‘investigation’ – Someone early in the comments mentioned the repeat rate; which the Rolling Stone Article states is NOT very high at all.
Who do you believe? Bob the random person who frequents the internet, or a journalist for Rolling Stone who probably researched before posting their ‘thoughts’
When watching the ABC show it is clear that NBC and PJ ran these stings, not the police; and that many of the police seemed to be TV happy, seeking fame and entertainment; not doing their job – to find and catch real pedophiles.
This lawsuit is major; Turns out one of the charges NBC faces includes Bribing the law enforcement. That’s major.
It would seem that NBC is facing a very serious time ahead; I’ll keep an eye on this story.
Some quotes from ABC’s story tonight that stood out.
“NYPD turned down offers to work with them”
“getting the story was first, doing police work was second”
“If NBC is an agent of the police… then those fellas are entitled their miranda rights; anything they say during those interviews cannot be used against them.”
explosive story…
“It is dangerous, when you look at all the guns that were drawn, pointed in different directions – that’s the kind of thing done for the performance, it has nothing to do with making the arrest.”
It is dangerous, a gun could’ve gone off and wounded an officer, a camera man, or one of the alleged criminals – the police were relying on PJ and Dateline for the information; I mean c’mon people – you’ve gotta listen to what was reported – What NBC has done here, and possibly even Law Enforcement (for their involvement) could possibly have broken the law; Crazy right?
I enjoyed the show – and hope more people will open their eyes to what is happening, what is really happening, with this kind of show.
Posted by: informant | September 10, 2007, 5:10 am 5:10 am
One more thing, i LOVED your story on the D.C. Madam, clearly your show is concerned with one thing; Reporting the facts; and nothing but the facts.
keep up the excellent job ABC!!
Posted by: informant | September 10, 2007, 5:28 am 5:28 am
This is no more than ABC trying to recover some ratings,it loses, when NBC Dateline aires a “to catch a predator”program and the sole purpose is they saw a chance to smear the name of this great series. The FBI needs to investigate why, with all the safeguards that perverted justice has in place, to not intrap these pervs, that this “gutless wonder” of a D.A. would not prosecute these 20 pervs. It is a tragedy when anyone takes their life and can’t come to know the life changing power of God, but this guy took his life because he possesed …child porn… and he was a sexual predator and he got caught! Excuse Dateline NBC and Perverted Justice for coming up with the idea first. ABC needs to go and fire their show creating crew and stop attacking programs that gets the pervs off the street! ABC should be a shamed for attacking such an important program and the poeple who are out there doing something about this epidemic problem, instead of kissing some liberal D.A. butt for ratings. Peace Out!
Posted by: Don Lirette | September 10, 2007, 5:47 am 5:47 am
Let me ask you a question CJ Blackwindow. Exactly how many of you posting replies here are child predators and those who would enable them? Or just plain ignorant of the facts? I know I see a few!
Now, ENTRAPMENT ONLY APPLYS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
I am a long time PJ poster and I volunteer when I can. Just knowing what I know, I am convinced there is no entrapment, just like the 200 some odd Judges who were convinced it isn’t. The Perverted-Justice Organization ALWAYS works within the law. The years working with every kind of law enforcement agency there is. Now, I don’t believe that over 200 agencies from different levels of the city, state and government hadn’t detected any law breaking from any Perverted-Justice Admin or Contributor. Now maybe the TONS of pending cases that I’ve heard mentioned might uncover some dirty vigilante lawbreaking deed, but I highly doubt it. Many of you might not know but PeeJ works with many more LEA besides the ones on Dateline.
So… You know why me and over 200 LEAs, DA and judges don’t see it as entrapment? Even tho’ a citizen can’t be held to the same entrapment laws as LEAs.
Because
The Contributor goes into a chatroom, sits there and waits. The predator CONTACTS the contributor. And sometimes it’s not even through chat. They’ve been known to contact the contributor through the contrib’s underage profile or though MySpace. ALWAYS, within the first few lines, the contributor states the age. Usually between 12 and 15. Having sex is ALWAYS brought up by the preditor. That’s what helps it stand up in court and ruling out entrapment.
If some of you don’t like citizens doing what they LEGALLY can to stop people who would prey on children can go bite a stick til it stop hurting or go fight to change the LAWS! Like a certain person did at Perverted-Justice! YES! Get off your duff and do what that person did!
One thing I’m pretty sure of by being a long time peejer is.. Not ALL the bust’s PeeJ brings to Justice are Pedophiles.. There are plenty of opportunists. But it doesn’t matter to me which label fits the child predator, they..are..ALL..a..danger..to..our..children!!
They’ve been preying on the children in our homes, streets, parks, malls, schools, churchs and any where there are children. Now they’re seeking children where there are masses of them! And we as citizens don’t have to break the law to make a difference. We can’t go around busting some daddy’s door down or tackling a child snatcher on the street and beating the live hell out of him! But Perverted-Justice and people like me are going to do what ever we legally can to keep this scourge away from the children on the WWW.
Posted by: sandi | September 10, 2007, 8:04 am 8:04 am
And we are succeeding! Pervs are getting convicted and parents are getting informed!
And wouldn’t it be an added bonus for our children if Dateline started an open dialog within the family unit and abused children had that opening to tell about their abuse!!
Posted by: sandi | September 10, 2007, 8:43 am 8:43 am
I do not think Conradt took his life because of Dateline. Imagine being a prosecutor, sworn to uphold the law, caught by police with incriminating evidence. It was, afterall, his job to protect us and our children from someone like himself. In my opinion, he was a coward who did not want to face the consequences of his actions. My heart goes out to his family but suing Dateline is just a way of denying that Conradt knew that life as he knew it was over with or without Dateline.
Posted by: Marie | September 10, 2007, 9:03 am 9:03 am
2 wrongs dont make a right.
Posted by: Michigan | September 10, 2007, 10:08 am 10:08 am
I am so disgusted with ABC for trying to ride the coat tails of NBC and to Catch a Predator.. When was the last time anyone even cared what was on ABC or 20/20?? Since Dateline found the edge – they’re the one getting the ratings and ABC doesn’t like it. I watch Dateline and I think they’re doing a good thing here, and I am saddened by the Police Department who would be a part of it and then turn around and put all the blame on Dateline. I am positive that there are a number of police departments and places in which Dateline could have filmed their show, and if this police department is so horrified at having been involved with them why didn’t they speak up sooner. Why is it that only a letter was written stating that they are law enforcers and not in show business.. If this was SO important that it required a LETTER! why did they allow the County and Police Department to go through with the taping of the show? Why did they agree to the rules and regulations set up by Dateline? and Why is it that no other Police Departments where Dateline did their filming complaining? This was sloppy but it wasn’t Dateline’s fault – ABC YOU ARE PATHETIC – WHY DON’T YOU GO OUT AND TRY TO FIND A REAL STORY – INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET RATINGS BY BASHING WHAT NBC DOES – Anyone who can’t see what you’re doing here is BLIND!!! PATHETIC!
Posted by: Amy L. | September 10, 2007, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Pedophiles CANNOT be changed. It is a sexual preference for children. They perhaps do not offend, but not very often. If you don’t know how much this happens, create a name on yahoo or aol and pretend to be a kid. See how fast you get hit on by adults. Not even people PRETENDING to be kids, but openly adults. It’s disgusting.
I commend PJ, I don’t think the Dateline show is bad, but I think they need to take a step back and see what it will take to make sure these cases are prosecuted.
The PJ site is amazing. I love how they out these people even if they can’t convict them. GOOD FOR YOU!! Everyone should know what these sickos are doing.
Posted by: Katie | September 10, 2007, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Von Erck said: “We look at those [ethical] rules as just silliness. We’ve never gotten an e-mail from a parent [after a 'Predator' report aired] saying, ‘What about journalistic ethics?’ ”
this scares me as a journalist NBC crossed the line and PAYED a grope that fells that journalist Ethics are some thing to be pushed aside in order to make money.
Posted by: NCC | September 10, 2007, 10:58 am 10:58 am
He shot himself because the terrible network discovered his “kiddie” in the sand box fetish…So solly cholly…I would sue as well to try and recover some semblance of decency from the grave…
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2007, 11:00 am 11:00 am
In reply to -
“Posted by: John O | Sep 7, 2007 9:47:04 PM
To Catch A Predator is a worthwhile program to deter pedophiles from interacting with children.”
There have been many episodes where one or more of the pedophiles have seen To Catch a Predator and still are commiting this horrible crime. To Catach a Predator does not deter pedophiles from interacting with children.
Posted by: Patrick | September 10, 2007, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Maybe the situation should have been handled differently (without NBC “calling the shots” if that was the case), but let’s face it, Mr. Hansen and “To Catch a Predator” have done a world of good exposing these sicko’s. Shame on the judge who let the other predators go….I hope no children in his family (or anyone else’s) become victims of any of these perverts. I, as I am sure is most of the country, am aghast at the number of sicko’s out there. This program has really opened my eyes. It is tragic that the man in question killed himself as a result of all of this, however, if in fact he ever harmed a child, then I feel no sorrow for him…his family, sure …but not him. Kudo’s to Dateline and Mr. Hansen for opening America’s eyes. Let’s not forget the project that started all of this…..when Chris Hansen did the program on Cambodia and the American Doctor who travelled there just to molest children as young as 6 (maybe even younger). What ever happened to that scumbag anyway? Doctor’s, Rabbi’s, Teachers, Military, and many others were all exposed…these are all people in positions of trust….not just the sceevey pervert lurking around the adult book store. To all of you slamming Dateline and Mr. Hansen…please wake up! Keep up the good work Dateline, Mr. Hansen, and Perverted Justice. ABC, please be original and do your own stories rather than try to slam your competitiors stories.
Posted by: Shawn Brady | September 10, 2007, 11:22 am 11:22 am
In reply to – “Posted by: John O | Sep 7, 2007 9:47:04 PM
To Catch A Predator is a worthwhile program to deter pedophiles from interacting with children.”
To Catch a Redator does not deter pedophiles from interacting with children. There have been many episodes where they have caught someone who has seen the show before.
Posted by: Patrick | September 10, 2007, 11:23 am 11:23 am
There’s something very disturbing about watching a Television program about luring people into a sting that the producers have control over.
Let the Police do their job, make the convictions stick, and let the TV news/porn magazines find some other abomination to popularize and profit off of. This silliness has gone on far enough.
Posted by: Matt | September 10, 2007, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Congratulations to both ABC and NBC. They’ve fulfilled their respective missions admirably.
Look at all of the people still talking about it.
Blah blah blah.
Posted by: Jay | September 10, 2007, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
DateLine’s series on child predators serves a legitimate purpose—removing child sex perverts from our streets. 20/20′s show blasting DateLine was uncalled for and reeks of jealousy and the attack on DateLine was unprofessional and uncalled for.
Posted by: Bruceaford | September 10, 2007, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
I have seen some seriously sad and shortsighted comments on here.
For one, shame on ABC… as usual it seems, you lag behind CBS by only the thinnest of margins when it comes to integrity, for shoving a big steaming plate of ‘sour grapes’ on camera.
For another, anyone who thinks that people should NOT actively pursue sexual predators, especially those who prey upon children, but rather sit back and let ‘justic take it’s course’ are really sad and shortsighted. You are, in all your infinite ‘big picture’ wisdom condoning the pedo’s actions through your innaction. You can’t take back molestation, it never goes away, a life long psychological scar (and maybe physical as well) on the child who has been molested.
To the ‘scholars’ claming that the citizens of this country should provide counsiling and therapy for some of the lowest scumbags on the earth to reduce what are nationally acknowledged and obscenely high recidivism rates… bugger off, and do it fast. I don’t care to see my tax dollars wasted on this trash… weed them out and put them down permanently, they will do it again and even if they don’t their crime is so hideous, so extreme that anyone who harbors compasion for these monsters should have their head examined.
Posted by: Citizen | September 10, 2007, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
This is for all you idiots who blindly support NBC. You people don’t get it do you? NBC doesn’t care about crime, all they care about is ratings. You people have no idea what each and everyone of you are saying. The issue ABC wants to point out is not the sting it self but the media coverage that comes with it. This is a police operation.
Posted by: Raul Olmeda | September 10, 2007, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Also on the coat tail of what Sandi said I would like to also add that PERVERTED-JUSTICE also goes to schools NATION WIDE to speak to children and their teachers and parents regarding internet safety and ALSO have been invited or requested for PERVERTED-JUSTICE REQUESTED to come to LAW ENFORCEMENT agencies all over the States to TEACH their officers what they know, yes PJ not only sit in chat rooms waiting for a person to talk to what they think is a child but PJ also speaks to schools and are highly requested to teach Police what they know!
Posted by: Just lil ol me | September 10, 2007, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Talk about sour grapes The guy killed himself because he was guilty and embarrassed! How is that Datelines fault???
I wish Dateline would produce a show a night. To get these perverts off the street.
Posted by: Bo | September 10, 2007, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Regarding the poster who suggested that the story in July’s edition of the Rolling Stone (RS) on Perverted Justice (PJ) as being a “be all end all” investigative journalist piece. I took the time to read that RS story again which actually got me interested in the author. What other kind of stuff does she write about? I read several more of her stories and I can tell you that I’m not impressed. That the RS story seems to question the legitimacy of PJ’s actions and seemingly comdemns all those that have found a method to identify sexual deviants and to incarcerate them is not too surprising. Of course I only know the author by her previously written stories, but there is certainly a sexual provactive nature to her topics. Interesting if that is all you can tend towards in your topics.
Posted by: Samantha | September 10, 2007, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
I watched the 20/20 story on the NBC To Catch a Predator series and couldn’t believe it. They made it sound like the DA that took his own life was an innocent victim. What about the innocent kids that were exploited for his jollies? His sister acts like NBC killed him…good grief. I understand investigative journalism but this piece just seemed to me like the green eyed monster of jealousy has struck ABC because Dateline has produced a successful show that is doing some good and ABC is trying to undermine it. I applaud NBC and will continue to watch every episode of Dateline no matter what the storyline, 20/20 on the otherhand, I’m terribly disappointed in.
Posted by: Sherri | September 10, 2007, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
How is it not Datline and NBC’s fault that that man killed himself? If they hadn’t of shown up and handled it the way they did he’d still be alive. Also, people change… people attracted to kids can and DO quite successfully learn to control and manage their urges and no longer offend, going on to lead productive lives without commiting any crime or harming any child. And I do see this NBC show and it’s tactics as entrapment and sensationalism, NBC wants higher ratings… their prime concern isn’t to help kids (perhaps it was the first time they did it, but upon seeing the ratings boost these “gotcha” shows brought them it changed).
Posted by: Steve | September 10, 2007, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
This district attorney abused his authority by dismissing these cases. He did it not to protect the public but to harm a television network. He said himself that the crime was committed when the child molesters wrote to people whom they believed were under aged youth and then made the arrangement to meet for sex. This prosecutor has determined on his very own high horse to dismiss the cases and that leaves all of these perverts out there. Good job. I doubt their next victims will thank him. I don’t think their parents will thank him either.
Posted by: Sammy | September 10, 2007, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Any man who preys on children, send nude pics of himself over the internet to chldren needs to be arrested and placed in a prison with the rest of the freaks who committ those kinds of terrible crimes. I was born in Terrell, Texas and I for one think this guy was a filthy perv. Too bad he couldnt take what he dished out…
Posted by: Cherie Gann | September 10, 2007, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
I am outraged that the family of this pervert is suing NBC. What a joke. Finally someone is doing something about the predators out there and now we are worried about their rights? Is this really the issue? The guy got what he deserved. I am very upset that all the guys who were busted are going to get off now…Do you have any idea what kind of message that sends to these perverts!
Maybe they will listen after their daughter has been raped by one of these freaks.
I wonder how many little girls there are out there who are afraid to tell someone that this happened to them. These guys wouldn’t do it if they were not getting what they wanted. There is a group of children out there who have been reaped and they haven’t told.
Wake Up America!
Posted by: Shirley | September 10, 2007, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
And to the people who want the parents to teach their children or it’s some how their fault if they don’t? Pull your head out!! Not ALL children have internet savey parents or able to hang over their shoulders every minute. There are MANY at risk children roaming the internet. Should we sacrifice them to predators because their parents didn’t teach them any better? Are you going to blame the child because they’re missing something in their life that makes them susceptible to groomers and opportunists?
That is a very narrow mindset and very cold hearted too!! Disgusting!!!!!!
And to you PJB? Ha! For not being “trained” PeeJ is sure getting the word out, putting pervs on notice and getting plenty of convictions!
Of course the bottom line is.. You don’t work in the inners circle of Perverted-Justice so you DON’T have proof of what you’re saying now do you?
Posted by: sandi | September 10, 2007, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
20/20’s report is a pathetic swipe at NBC – you just wished you had thought of it first. As the Dateline piece last week stated, one of the men who helped write the Texas law on child predators said that they had MORE than enough evidence to prosecute.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 10, 2007, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
“Dateline” and it’s “Perverted Justice” franchise is essentially titillating, soft-core porn (although it masquerades as being about “saving children” to give it a form of legitimacy).
Do you really believe NBC is not aware of that fact? Ever notice how programs that do themes about teachers seducing students, such as Debra Lefavre, are filled with hot, revealing photos of her? (Yea, like they’re not encouraging people to fantasize about either her, or the 14 year old boy she seduced).
Even programs with themes about Jon Benet Ramsey, claiming “disgust” at how she was exploited, such as “Larry King Live”, are filled with pictures and footage of her prancing around in little outfits.
It’s no different than “Perverted Justice”‘ endless array of imaginary 13 and 14 year old girls, a Lolita fantasy for male viewers in particular, along with sexy voices, and actresses who pretend to be younger. As if they’re not trying to turn on the viewers, while claiming to condemn people for being turned on by it…
While Chris Hanson reads back explicit e-mails to the person who thought they were writing to an underage individual, and, feining shock, says “You thought you were saying this to a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL?” It’s only done for titillation, folks.
People like to feel superior to others, which the show plays off of. Like the boy who secretly may feel an attraction to other boys, but in order to keep it a secret, bullies other, weaker boys, and calls them “fags”. Men who secretly are attracted to 14 year old girls, but won’t admit it, can watch some hapless individual on “Perverted Justice” get set up, and laugh at him, in order to cover his own hind.
Do I hear echoes of Tom Foley?
To the people who praise “Perverted Justice”, and their going around giving lectures to schools…I’m just wondering if they also market their merchandise to the kids, the kind displayed on “20/20″, such as thongs that say “contents aged at least 18 years”?
Posted by: Chris | September 10, 2007, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
ABC should start a new program and call it “How to protect a Predator.” Loser television station if there ever was one.
Posted by: Nina | September 10, 2007, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
Shame on you 20/20! You would never be badmouthing the series if it was your network that had thought of it first. You are only jealous because of the high ratings the NBC series has gotten. Stick to uncontroversial “feelgood” stories, such as the volunteer math “teacher”. That is all you “reporters” on this network are capable of anyway!
Kudos to Dateline for exposing the sickos!
Posted by: Lizzy | September 10, 2007, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Sally:”Not true. Several cases and/or charges have been dismissed in California in the last few weeks, either due to faulty evidence or jury deadlocks. The only reason most of these cases have succeeded is because the defendants pleaded guilty. The ones that are going to trial are not so successful. The few that actually were convicted in a court of law are now going up on appeal.”
Examples, please?
Posted by: dana | September 10, 2007, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
We now read that the NBC News people called those guys to get them to come to the house. In the case of the suicide victum, they called him three times and when he did not show up Chris Hanson said go to his house and arrest him.
Posted by: Donald | September 10, 2007, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Wow!! What I find astonishing is not that there people are online chatting to real or imaginary children or the fact that people have been known to do more than just that in their own homes. What I find amazing and ultimately disgusting is that we, as a country, have continually allowed our lives to be manipulated by TV and the government with no recourse until after the fact. Dateline and their “Perverted Justice” friends cause more problems than it merits. Those 20 people may have never done anything more than chatting before that fateful day. Yet after alot of coercing and teasing from Dateline/PJ, they decide to risk it that one time and BAM their whole life shattered. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Whatever happened to the privacy rights of americans? You just cannot unring a bell that large.
Posted by: Jomine | September 10, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
What is the matter with all of you at 20/20! Does anyone at 20/20 what a sex offender registry is! How could you take the side of sexual predators who at times arrive with weopons or rope and ductape who would leave a young teen raped and beaten. Everyone of those Pedophiles showed up at those sting houses on their own initiative looking for sex with a child. Dateline NBC and Perverted Justice is doing the world a Big favour by exposing those scumbags. Children must be protected!
Chris Hansen Rocks!
Posted by: tommy | September 10, 2007, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
I feel like turning off this BLOG instead of my tv. What some of you supporters of the ABC story fail to realize is that these men were talking to what they THOUGHT were children. The proof was when they asked the decoy his/her age. Doesnt matter if consent is given or not- a child is a child and an adult is an adult. These men were in a chat room that caters to CHILDREN. And, as was proven with the assistant DA, these predators sometimes LIE to these children about their age- REMEMBER,he told the decoy,in chat, that he was 19.
Posted by: CJ | September 10, 2007, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
I dont know about the repeat rate of these monsters. Rates are not concrete facts. Rates just show that they arent dumb enough to get caught again. Police use citizens EVERY day to catch fugitives. They are called COMMUNITY WATCH, NEIGHBORS, in prison, SNITCHES,and,in some cases INNOCENT BYSTANDERS. The police depts arent paying them to do this. NBC is paying them a consulting fee. And, the amount they are actually paying them, cant even be called “pay” but more like “charity”.
Posted by: CJ | September 10, 2007, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
You talk about monitoring the computers when our children are on them. What about when our children are out in the real world? The times that we CANT be there to protect them from these monsters? When these men meet the decoys, it isnt their first time meeting children- they WILLING admit it in their chat logs. They are PREDATORS,plan and simple. They are nothing more than total losers.
Posted by: CJ | September 10, 2007, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
I think this 20/20 episode was absolutely rediculous and uncalled for. It looks to me like ABC wanted a part of the fame. If the NBC series helped one pedifile think about what they were about to do before they did it then I think they did their job. Go Dateline!!
Posted by: Kim | September 10, 2007, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
Keep up the good work Chris. We need more like you getting rid of these perverts.
Posted by: shirley | September 10, 2007, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
I can’t believe that you liberal people defend these perverts and attack Dateline who is doing a public service. As a father I salute Dateline for raising awareness and taking some of these dirt bags off the streets keeping our children safer!!!! So I have to ask did 20/20 wish they came up with the idea first?? Sure seems that way!!
Posted by: Rob | September 10, 2007, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
My instinct tells me that a lot of people from “Perverted Justice” didn’t like the fact that they were shown in something other than the knee-jerk, blind adoration they normally get from the tabloid media. They’re smarting from it.
A mainstream news organization actually took them to task, and encouraged the public to think critically. Scary stuff. (While at the same time giving Chris Hanson and representatives from Perverted Justice every opportunity to present their side of the story…which they refused).
My guess is that they are the ones who are padding this discussion board, handing us this simplistic level of tripe…”ABC is horrible, because they criticized “Perverted Justice”, so they must support child rape”, or “They’re jealous of NBC’s ratings!”
My guess is that, like all bullies, they can’t stand to have the tables turned on them. That, plus the fact that it must be a slow current period for them in the vigilante biz…
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2007, 12:01 am 12:01 am
For all of you who want to defend the perverts and criminals in our society and say that they were “entrapped” – perhaps you are hiding a secret yourself. It is beyond me how anyone could defend perverts who want to rape innocent children and who send those same innocent children pornography – images that will be with them for the rest of their life. Who really cares if the Assistant DA killed himself – he did us all a favor. He knew he was guilty – camera or no cameras. If Dateline hadn’t been there, the local media would have found out and they ALL would have reported it – ABC included. His sister, 20/20 and the DA should all be ashamed. We need more people like Chris Hansen – he has exposed the worst of the worst in our society.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 11, 2007, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Dateline is saving lives of children by making the parents and children aware of the PROBLEM. They are not doing anything wrong. Thank God for them and Preverted Justice. Who ever wrote this piece has never been abused. Being abused as a child changed my life and hurt me horribly and still does. Maybe if we would have had people that cared about bringing child rape to the public eye then I would have been spared. We have to do everything in our power to stop this horrible crime and if NBC is willing to help lets stand by them. If it would have been your Son the pedofile that killed himself was after you all would have felt much differently. ABC join the band wagon and help save children now.
Posted by: ShameonABC | September 11, 2007, 12:42 am 12:42 am
For the people criticizing nbc, and that includes the hacks at abc who put this hit piece together, nbc has updated their murphy story with more relevant facts including the fact that Conradt’s computer was found to have child porn on it.
Also, they had a different prosecutor in Texas on to rebut the incomprehensible legal analysis from the DA who dismissed the charges. After seeing nbc’s update, I think ABC, and the Texas DA owes everyone a bigtime explanation.
Posted by: Alan | September 11, 2007, 12:53 am 12:53 am
All Families in America should stand behind the efforts of Dateline, Perverted Justice,National center for Missing and exploited children and the Authorities…the fate of our children are dependent upon it.
There are 603,000 registered sex offenders in the U.S. and at least 100,000 are noncompliant, many of them literally missing. The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act signed last summer tasked the Marshals with tracking down fugitive sex offenders and increased the federal penalty for noncompliance to a felony.
The Act also mandates the creation of a national sex offender registry database and website, and requires states to make changes in their sex offender law by July 2009 in order to create greater uniformity. One of those requirements is make the failure to comply with state registration requirements a felony in every state.
Today, in 25 states, the failure to comply may be treated as a misdemeanor. Since the Adam Walsh Act took effect in July 2006, Marshals have located more than 1,300 noncompliant, fugitive sex offenders.
“One in five girls and one in ten boys will be sexually victimized in some way before they reach the age of 18. We know that sex offenders who target children are likely to be repeat offenders,” said Ernie Allen, President and CEO of NCMEC. “We need to know where these predators are at all times. States need to implement the new laws today and not wait until 2009.”
NCMEC has created a new Special Analysis Unit to search databases, analyze information, and help identify and locate the fugitives, to enable the U.S. Marshal’s Service to arrest them and bring them to justice. “We are looking forward to continuing our successful partnership with NCMEC,” said Art Roderick, Assistant Director for Investigations with the U.S. Marshals Service. “This training will provide our deputy Marshals with vital new tools to hunt down those who don’t want to be found.”
Posted by: Angela | September 11, 2007, 1:50 am 1:50 am
I never miss Perverted Justice. I love the look of disbelief on the face of these would-be childhood snatchers as Chris Hanson confronts and exposes them. Nothing they feel at that time of their confrontation could compare to the feeling a child must have when they are confronted by their molesters. As for the dead DA what a coward, could not even owen up to what he was. Ah, if only the authorities could break down the door of every child molester…..
Posted by: Kathy | September 11, 2007, 10:07 am 10:07 am
The D.A. John Roach made a terrible mistake. These guys that were arrested including his Asst. D.A. showed intent to have sex with a minor and that is a crime! If it wasn’t then they would not have been arrested. The fact that these monsters were let back out on the street is a crime in itself. I think people should write to D.A. John Roach and tell him what they think of him. Im sure the child predators will thank him for being on their side. As a father of 4 children I sure as hell wont!
Posted by: Eleazar | September 11, 2007, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Some of you people are so blind, or members of perverted justice. ABC is not trying to protect pedophiles. They are trying to protect the constitution. I can’t speak for ABC, but I am sure they support legitimate stings by law enforcement agencies that take these people that prey on children out of circulation. Just look at the name. Perverted justice. That speaks volumes.
Posted by: Bill | September 11, 2007, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Congratulations to Brian Ross & ABC. What do Hanson & NBC think they’re doing anyway ??? Mixing entertainment and crime prevention seems to neither any honor.
Posted by: Steve | September 11, 2007, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
“Remember Cadre Members, double points for turning in a family member today!”
From The Running Man
But it could never happen in real life right? Especially not in America right?
Posted by: Ward Tipton | September 11, 2007, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
I realized that, immediately after the original broadcast of “20/20″ there were
letters from people who had seen the program, and acknowledged the fraudulence of “Dateline” and it’s franchise, “Perverted Justice”. A short while after that, this site was deluged with letters from people…and all of them saying more or less the same thing: “Shame on you, ABC!”. “ABC must in favor of children being raped”, “ABC is jealous of NBC’s ratings”, blah, blah blah…
It seems as though every letter which expresses anything other than unquestioning adoration of “Dateline” or “Perverted Justice” is met with an onslaught of letters accusing “all you people who think 20/20 is so great…”, as though the majority of letters were in favor of “20/20″, when the majority of letters, are, in fact, against it. The problem is, the majority of letters that are critical of “20/20″ seem to look alike, and have a knee-jerk quality about them, sort of like a form letter being sent out, albeit with some alterations.
Face it. The mainstream press has turned against “Dateline” and “Perverted Justice”. Two recent magazines, “Esquire”, and “Rolling Stone”, published quite lengthy, and critical, articles on “Perverted Justice”, and their hack methods. The article in “Esquire” was particularly damning.
MSNBC may get some mileage out of endlessly running many-times-shown “Predator” segments for hours every night, but, once you get away from MSNBC, the critical print and broadcast media are no longer co-opted or are buying into “Predator”‘s claims of being about “saving children”.
ABC, and “20/20″ simply broke through it all, and exposed the scam and rouse that “To Catch a Predator” is all about. It had been building in the print media for sometime, and now it has broken through to the mainstream broadcast media.
It is now beyond who can stuff the most letters into a news organization’s blog. The previously-compliant mainstream press has awakened to the lie, first in the print media, and now on a major network’s news program.
And they’re not going backward…
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2007, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
The issue, and I commend ABC for addressing it, is it is the police department’s responsibility to appropriately handle child molestation cases and predators, not NBC and Chris Hansen. I commend their efforts but there is no room in the judicial system for TV ratings.If our justice system is reliant on NBC and Chris Hansen to appropriately gather evidence and use them as their sole source of expertise to find child molesters then yes, every single case should be thrown out. We need to let law enforcement do their job without camera crews leading them along.
Posted by: Dom | September 11, 2007, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
What bothers me about this story is what it says about ABCs ethical and journalistic standards. I assemble legal evidence and prepare civil and criminal cases in Oregon and Washington. There is nothing inadmissible about the evidence collected by Dateline and Perverted Justice. In fact, it’s the most persuasive evidence a prosecutor and jury can hope for, which is why so many police departments ask for their assistance and use it to successfully prosecute predators in jurisdictions around the country. I’m sure ABC knows the evidence was good. So why did ABC construct an obviously false, misleading and disreputable report with which to mislead its viewers? Can I trust ABC’s reporting in the future?
Posted by: Bob Sarsan | September 11, 2007, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Bob, you complain about ABC’s ethical and journalistic standards. What’s ethical about using incomplete transcripts that can be edited.Most of the men prosecuted were fools to admit anything. I’m sure the 2 or 3 lawsuits pending will be a drop in the bucket by time this is all over.I respect your opinion, but I sincerely hope your ethics in preparing cases are much higher than NBC’s
Posted by: Bill | September 11, 2007, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
I keep seeing references to incomplete/edited transcripts, cases thrown out of court, etc., but I have yet to see anyone name any specific case where that has happened. Please, someone, all of these cases are a matter of public record–list your sources! If, in fact, this is true, it’s something that we all need to know. If not, then it’s just spin.
Posted by: dana | September 11, 2007, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
There is no good rape and bad rape, there is only rape. There are no good victims and bad victims there are only victims. There is no good consensual sex and bad consensual sex, there is only consensual sex.
Posted by: Viamund | September 11, 2007, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
Personally, I think that the sister of the ADA should be sent the pictures her brother was sending to children.
Seems to me that 20/20 has gained about 50-60 viewers and lost many thousands. Very sad producing of a segment. Some heads should roll over this black eye to ABC.
Posted by: never to view 20/20 again | September 12, 2007, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
So….why is ABC so anxious to make sure that others reading this don’t know about the SELF-IDENTIFIED pedophiles here?
Posted by: dana | September 12, 2007, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
It’s been awhile since I have seen this particular TV show, but in my opinion this is exactly what we need. We drastic measures to catch criminals. I believe in allowing the public to view what is actually happening. It makes people more aware of what to look for. I see alot of reports where parents are getting in trouble for what their kids are doing on the internet. Believe it or not there are alot of people that don’t realize what’s actually happening. I say we continue these types of tv shows. As far as that guy that killed hisself to me that proves that he was guilty.
Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2007, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
I am truly disappointed in 20/20. Dateline, Perverted Justice, and the cooperating law enforcement agencies were thinking outside of the box. Obviously child molestation is rampant, what I didn’t hear in this investigation was an alternative or solution to Dateline’s effective sting operations. Dateline along with the other outfits have been successful at punishing these sick men beyond criminal charges. Confronting these men and making them accountable by putting them on t.v. is a punishment well deserved by these perverts. Who are we trying to protect by not broadcasting this, the children or the high-ups such as the assistant district attorney, who couldn’t own up to the consequences of his choices, and took his own life? Dateline doesn’t owe his family a dime.
Posted by: Alissa | September 12, 2007, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
The only people sicker than the perverts out looking for sex with children are the lifeless losers that watch this crap. Pedophiles are among the sickest individuals on the planet, but what on earth good does it do to put them on national televison? I wonder how many sickos do this just to claim their 15 min of fame(however misguided that may be), and how many more get the idea of going on line to troll for teens from watching this “show”. I think Chris Hanson and the whole team should be ashamed of themselves for putting his garbage on tv. America has truly sunk to a new low when “shows” like this get big ratings. For shame!!!!
Posted by: Jeff | September 13, 2007, 2:14 am 2:14 am
Thank you Alissa for admitting that dateline is punishing these sick men? Dateline obviously is doing something illegal by punishing these people prior to conviction. Since when is dateline in the punishing business anyway? There is an alternative to the stings done by dateline. Legitimate stings run by law enforcement should be done in every city. I’m sure they would follow the correct procedure. Conviction before punishment. Again, thank you for pointing out that a tv show is punising people not yet convicted.I also thank ABC and 20/20 for trying to protect what’s left of our constitution.
Posted by: Bill | September 13, 2007, 5:05 am 5:05 am
I think everyone has a right to privacy for a change and I think Chris Hansen has done a wonderful job despite the controversial investigation in Murphy Texas however the sister of the man who shot himself in the head tried to sue Dateline for their involvement in his death but apparently that wasn’t true but the reason he killed himself was really anybody’s guess and the last thing I did was log on to dateline.msnbc.com and learned that the charges were dropped and that the predators in Murphy Texas were released but don’t think they’re off the hook just yet because the district attorney is reviewing the case and whether or not the arrests were legal but what you have to understand is that sex predators are everywhere and they need to be brought to justice regardless of whether or not Dateline was doing the “To Catch A Predator” investigations. I’m Kevin and I am a fan of To Catch A Predator thanks so much for reading the comment I left online and remember Chris Hansen is doing the same thing John Walsh from AMW was doing for a while.
Posted by: Kevin Piland | September 13, 2007, 10:30 am 10:30 am
ABC News should be embarrassed! Focus on your own programming and stop taking cheap shots at NBC.
NBC and Chris Hansen deserve accolades and awards for putting this issue in the forefront of everyone’s mind. Pedophiles are gross, sick and disgusting people who prey on children… WHY should we protect these individuals? We SHOULD be protecting the children, the ignorant and naive teens…
I know ABC News has the ability to be innovative and provocative. The Peter Jennings special on AIDs in Black America was RIVETING! Excellent, excellent journalism. So why don’t you go back to the conference room and think of more under-reported stories and issues and produce something worthwhile… instead of dissecting the ratings and plotting on ways to derail NBC.
Posted by: Journ | September 13, 2007, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Hi Jo. I feel they are fools for admitting to anything. These are made for tv stings. There is a good chance that many of them will get out of this. As far as any hidden agenda, I have mentioned that I’m in favor of law enforcement agencies conducting legitimate stings and hope they will do it in every city. Keep it legitimate and make it stick. I feel these people that showed up in Texas are a danger to children and it’s a shame that dateline acted in a way that freed these guys. Also I feel that if these stings were done by law enforcement agencies and not televised, they would be able to take many more off the street. People need to decide if they want these sick tv shows or protection of children. I’ll get back to you on incomplete transcripts.
Posted by: Bill | September 13, 2007, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Viamund, You consider sex with a child as harmless? Even though they can be prosecuted as an adult, they are not. They are still children and need to be protected. Maybe with your attitude, we will find you on the registry someday.
Posted by: Bill | September 13, 2007, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
What a huge disappointment to view the hatchet job 20/20 did on “To Catch a Predator”! I’ve had great respect for the objectivity and even-handedness of Stossel and 20/20′s stories until today but this was ridiculous. ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION ON THE MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES AND COUNTLESS OTHER SUSPECTS WHO WERE SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTED IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PROGRAM. Instead you focused on the ONE D.A. who foolishly chose to send the pervs loose on the street…and then you DEFENDED HIS ACTION. No comments from the many other D.A.’s who protected their communities. No mention of the dozens of other successful prosecutions. Nah…that might take away from your lame effort to slam NBC.
What a black eye for video journalism! Not sure I can trust ABC to provide an objective story on ANY subject anymore but CLEARLY not one involving a competitor network!
Posted by: Bob | September 13, 2007, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Blaming Dateline for the Murphy DA refusing to prosecute and for the other DA’s suicide is bizzare. There is absolutely no evidence that Condradt knew he was the subject of a Dateline sting unless someone in the Murphy DA’s office or the police tipped him off. He didn’t see cameras or Chris Hansen before he killed himself.
As stated numerous times, this is the first time a DA has refused to prosecute based on these stings done with a Perverted Justice / police department partnership. Perverted Justice’s televised and nontelevised stings have resulted in successful prosecutions all across the country without any successful claims of entrapment. Dateline isn’t doing these stings. Just filming them. Perverted Justice does more stings with police departments than they do with Dateline filming.
People who claim that Perverted Justice is altering chat logs have no knowledge of computer technology. The computers seized in these cases have proven over and over that Perverted Justice does not alter any of the chat logs and often contain more damning evidence against the pervert than the chat logs. DA Condradt’s computer and other electronic devices had child pornography on them as well, another serious crime. Is that Dateline’s fault too?
As to ABC’s pretense of being above voyeurism, take a look at the 20 / 20 page asking if there is anyone who has turned in a family member for a crime or who thinks their child may be gay. Worthy of a Springer show but not serious investigative journalism.
Posted by: fingersfly | September 14, 2007, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Your 20/20 episode on To Catch A Predator failed to mention all the successful prosecutions in every other city Perverted Justice was involved in. The DA in your story should not be a DA if he really thought he couldn’t prosecute. Your episode came off looking like it was just trying to lamely discredit the success of
Dateline. Was your producer of this episode worried he might get caught in one of these stings?
Posted by: Jim | September 14, 2007, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Watching this program and reading the responses to the article is just sickening.
ABC is so jealous of the fact that NBC’s journalism has actually created a positive change that they had to resort to lying in order to gain popularity.
To Catch a Predator series has done more for child victimization than the court system has been able to. The cops can not protect us all the time, and finally someone comes along to help, and this happens.
You could have made a landmark change and worked together to protect our citizens…but no, you chose to destroy something that is good.
So what a D.A. commited suicide because he could not handle his own crimes…that is HIS problem, he should have sought mental health prior to actively seeking ways to break the law…I feel no remorse for his death and his sister needs to come to terms with the fact that her brother was a pedophile who could not handle the heat when he got caught.
ABC, I am ashamed of the work you actively destroyed, your not exposing anyone, your hurting the general public because you can not see through your own jealousy…
Posted by: ErinM | September 14, 2007, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
I think the segment you aired against Dateline NBC’s To Catch a Predator series is disgusting and is so obviously not about the fact that there are child molesters out there who need to be stopped, but more about your competition getting a leg up on you. I have always been a fan of the show, but after having seen this episode, am ashamed to claim it. If one of these sickos got away with trying to seduce one of your sons or daughters, you would certainly feel differently about it!
Posted by: Sarah | September 14, 2007, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Interesting show last week. Its always good to see things from others’ prospective. I have been watching both, Dateline & 20/20, shows from longtime back. NBC & ABC has done fairly good job in reporting. It is good to report facts, being critical about facts is very integral part of democracy we enjoy everyday as Americans. I have read few comments above and some are very opinionated. Everyone has their take on the topic. Remember you have right to express, not to impose.
Posted by: Nikki | September 15, 2007, 12:15 am 12:15 am
I feel that PJ is an excellent agency for outing pedophiles. They have been doing this for years with successful prosecutions in other states. They are probably better at it then any law enforcement sting. In fact, the Austin,TX DA has now come forward on Dateline itself and stated the video-taped confessions are extremely valuable. So there is no legal reason why Texas rules of evidence are any different.
Since police departments around the country are publicly thanking Fox’s “America’s Most Wanted”, “Cops”, Dateline and other programs for helping them, I think all this criticism of the media is baseless.
I’m grateful the Dateline has now joined AMW and Cops in helping the police.
If you are going to blame Dateline, you’re going to have to blame the other shows as well.
Posted by: Jo | September 15, 2007, 12:21 am 12:21 am
In repsonse to this comment “about time it has been brought to light what crap this show is..i stopped watching ,i found it dispicable. Did anyone consider the family? kids at school? inocent wife?? this show should end, sure arrest them, catch them, but dont film it.” Um, what?? Maybe the digusting ‘family guy’ should’ve thought about his kids and wife before making the decision to engage in sexual acts with minor. Ya think??? What would’ve happened if Dateline hadn’t been there and this pervert actually met up with the young child as he intended? Think about this – what if it had been your child? Yes, I’m assuming that most of you haters have children. I do the best I can to protect and educate my kids but I can tell you that if any perv wants to approach my child – he’d better HOPE Dateline is there.
Posted by: Casey | September 15, 2007, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Hi Jo, how can the taped confessions be used?
The Miranda warnings were mandated by the 1966 United States Supreme Court decision in the case of Miranda v. Arizona as a means of protecting a criminal suspect’s Fifth Amendment right to avoid coercive self-incrimination. I fail to understand why so many of you are willing to stomp on our constitution. The next right given up may affect you negatively. I think these guys that showed up need to be taken off the street, but do it legally.
I understand the Miranda rights applies to cops, but in this case dateline and cops worked together on this investigation. Look for more lawsuits.
Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2007, 5:40 am 5:40 am
Bill, The only taped confessions that are allowed in court are those made by police after the suspect has been read his Miranda rights. The chat logs are not taped confessions but evidence which are is overwhelming and probably why so many plead guilty.
Claiming these stings are somehow an illegal means of catching child predators is disengenuous considering the hundreds of convictions they have resulted in. If you don’t want to get stung, don’t break the law by trying to have sex sith kids. Simple isn’t it?
Posted by: Jane Doe | September 15, 2007, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Jane, Do you know the percentage of successful prosecutions including the ones not related to the ones with dateline? Would love to know. Also would like to know same thing for the ones on tv. Thanks
Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2007, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
You’re right Bill, Dateline is not in the business of punishment. They are in the business of exposure and if a punishment should result, then well done. Obviously if our judicial system were doing a proper job then Dateline would not be able to uncover the mass amount of pedophiles in our country. What does a conviction do? It’s a slap on the wrist and then that same pedophile is back in the neighborhood you and I live in. At least they have been exposed and brought to some sort of justice, which may not be politically correct, but it’s better than a name on a list of child molesters wandering somewhere in our communities.
Posted by: Alissa | September 15, 2007, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
There’s a right & wrong way to catch the perps. Dateline and PJ’s way was wrong, especially since they were directing and staging the police in everything including the interrogations. It even showed one cop aiming/pointing his weapon at the back of another cop during a take down. At one point during 20/20′s show, Murphy’s PD Chief was caught in several out and out lies. It wasn’t even evident that they had a search warrant to enter that ass’t DAs residence. Even the citizens of Murphy didn’t want this so-called sting to happen. The DA warned the Chief NOT to go through with it, but he did. Now those perps are back on the streets and probably all the rest, who were convected, will be filing for appeals based on the violation of their 4th Amendments rights.
Posted by: Jay T | September 15, 2007, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Bill, Since 2003 Perverted Justice stings have resulted in the conviction of 223 sexual predators. Of that number, 81 were in 2006 and 100 since January 2007. I don’t know the percentages, but Perverted Justice claims a 100% conviction rate (leaving out Murphy, Texas, of course). I don’t know how many were filmed by Dateline, but the filming has no impact on the techniques Perverted Justice uses to gather solid evidence of their crimes. There are many more in the judicial pipeline. So far these convictions have carried a punishment from probation and registry as a sex offender to 15 years in prison. Obviously men who continue to take the risk of soliciting child sex and facing long prison terms have a serious problem that should not be made light of considering the horrific consequences to the children they try to victimize.
And no, I am not a member of Perverted Justice and rarely watch Dateline.
Posted by: Jane Doe | September 15, 2007, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Is that what your defense attorney told you, Jay?
But seriously, there is no basis to your claims that anyone’s rights have been violated in any of these stings. And yes, the Murphy police had an arrest warrant and a search warrant issued by 2 judges who reviewed the evidence. Nothing irregular about that at all. There is no entrapment, no coercion, no bribery. Just concerned people donating their time to make the internet a safter place for our kids.
Even 20 / 20 doesn’t claim anything is illegal about these stings. They just question the journalistic “ethics” involved. I know that is an oxymoron but you can’t blame #2 for trying harder.
Posted by: Jane Doe | September 15, 2007, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
the pedophiles have had a good ten years head start on the rest of the world in regards to the internet – I have seen them online for fifteen years now going about their business unchallenged until now
it’s about time someone shoved this ugliness in everyones face and yelled LOOK !!! if you have a child and he or she chats online, he or she has met a predator, I guarantee it – they probably didn’t know it
all this is new to people who don’t have computers and the world is very slow to respond
this district attorney is just a careerist who distances himself from anything that might require a spine
think about it, who cares of a tv show helps put away kiddie rapists as long as they get put away
it’s sad that bureaucracies are so slow to recognize the danger to kids online everywhere that it takes a tv show to force people to talk about it
Posted by: noah | September 16, 2007, 2:39 am 2:39 am
Jane Doe, re your statement.Just concerned people donating their time to make the internet a safter place for our kids. Didn’t the report say that PJ receives 70-100,00 dollars per show? When is that donating time?
Posted by: Bill | September 16, 2007, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Yes Bill. The organization gets paid a consulting fee by Dateline but the PJ contributors are volunteers who donate their time. PJ doesn’t just do stings for Dateline. They work with police all across the country doing stings with no media involvement and no payment from anyone. The Dateline consulting fees enable them to do so.
Posted by: Jane Doe | September 16, 2007, 11:04 am 11:04 am
If I wasn’t guilty of something I sure wouldn’t be waiting in my house with a gun to my head if the police kicked down my door! I think good riddance, there is one more sicko off the street.
I think it makes it even worse because of the position this man was in.
This is one of the things that is so wrong with this world today. People want to blame everyone else for the messes they make!
Posted by: Teresa | September 16, 2007, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
I’m still waiting for Bill to support his claims that ‘transcripts were tampered with.’ Also waiting for Bill to explain why the rest of the country is successfully convicting predators with Dateline & PJ supplied evidence, while Bill claims ‘the evidence is clearly illegal and inadmissible.’ Bill, please factually support the claims you’re making with “case law”. EXACTLY what laws are the other DAs and Police around the country breaking? Which transcripts were altered? Why haven’t those convictions been overturned by higher courts? Anyone can make accusations and spread rumors. Can you back up your claims with real facts? ABCs report didn’t factually support those claims.
Posted by: Ron | September 17, 2007, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
This is ridiculous. I am a father of 3 young children and the fact that there is any sympathy for a pedophile sickens me. What makes it worse is that this was a person with power. A DA is someone we tell our kids to trust. Good riddance to Conradt. Thank you to Dateline for helping us out disgusting people like this!
Posted by: Jim | September 17, 2007, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Shame on you ABC for trying to dicredit what these guys are doing. They are taking PERVERTS off the street!!
It is amazing to me that you would run a story like this. Maybe you are envious that you did not come up with it first. I hope you never have to feel the pain of a loved one falling victim to an internet predator.
Posted by: Herb | September 17, 2007, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
I want to buy Chris Hansen dinner, or build a statue to him, or throw a party for Perverted Justice. To me and all mothers, these guys are heroes.
The men who are caught on “To Catch a Predator” are showing up at these houses TO HAVE SEX WITH CHILDREN, how do you not understand that? Case closed, they’re guilty. William Conradt was guilty–good riddance!!!!
Posted by: Jenny | September 18, 2007, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Ok, hatin’ on pedophiles aside, this guy did NOT TAKE THE BAIT… if a cop calls me and offers to meet me at Joe’s Crab Shack and buy a pound of marijuana, and I don’t go and don’t make the buy, THERE WAS NO CRIME COMMITTED!
You kill-maim-and-destroy-all-pedos-at-any-cost are voluntarily giving away all of our civil rights to due process. Police have no right to bust down a door without a warrant. Pretty soon this mentality will be applied to other people society deems as “diseased”.
I hope this guy rests in peace. Unlike many of you, I believe that people who are “sick” with any kind of disease like this should be healed, not locked up or mercilessly killed. How many prominent peoples lives destroyed will it take until you realize these people need HELP, not witch-hunt deaths!
Posted by: Ron | September 18, 2007, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
Ron–Educate yourself so you don’t come across as being dumb! For one thing, TALKING SEXUALLY TO YOU BELIEVE IS A CHILD ON THE INTERNET IS A CRIME!!! Let me educate you a little more.
A cop did NOT get ahold of Conradt and offer him a little boy! Conradt got ahold of what he thought was a little boy. Then he broke the law by talking sexually to what he thought was a child. Then he broke another law by sending nude photos to that child! The police had every legal right to go make an arrest. And guess what? When his comp,cell phone and cd’s were analized, they were chock full of child porn!
I think he was a sick ***! But I don’t view pedophilia as being a disease! Just like I don’t view people who are attracted to short fat blondes as being diseased! It’s a sexual preference!
Help my foot! I agree with the pedophiles. It’s NOT an illness! It’s an attraction!! And you can NOT change their sexual attractions!
CONRADT WAS NOT ‘SICK’!! HE WAS A PEDOPHILE!!! Now HE’S A DEAD PEDOPHILE BY SUICIDE!!
As far as the opportunists? Like any other rapest, they should be locked up and the public notified!
And if any of these pervs want to off themselves, it’s their choice!
Prominant or not–THEY RUINED THEIR OWN LIFE!!
No sympathy here!
Posted by: sandi | September 19, 2007, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
I am not surprised that we now see the truth behind NBC and the sting. Not that im for the Pedos, but everyone dosent see the real reson ABC brought this up. ITS RATINGS, NBC got RATINGS, and broke LAWS. You people are Perverted Justice Supporters, and You always invade the public sector to make your shows and selfs look good. Perverted Justice is an operation, and NBC partnered up with them. Agents of the Police, and violations of rights of due process. Do not interview with out reading someone thier rights. You allow this show to go on NBC.. Then you guys will allow media to bust you for everyday crimes. using thier cameras to catch you speeding, smoking something your not suppose to. Open you minds people, its 2007. Kids are smarter that you think. ABC I applaud you, you are making waves and people do not like thier jobs messed with, so perverted justice peeople and supporters write on here to try I MEAN TRY to make you guys look bad.
Amen God bless
Posted by: Micheal Thompson | September 20, 2007, 8:45 am 8:45 am
Let get involved here.. no laws were broken, no kids were involved, internet is fantasy, and all you who say its not, hmm think about who and what you think about when you go to ADULT sites. No kids are being protected by these TV shows, predators go to the parks, bathrooms, schools and so on. No 13-16 year old would willingly would want to do anything with someone older, fat and stuff. The main trouble is, that NBC is feedin on your Childlike minds knowing if they show that in a storybook set up some one will show up at a house, they will. BUT no its not that, you see your thinking of the kids, there is no kids, never were. Heck perverted justice used underage to Lure people. And allowed them to go into ADULT chatrooms, ok where are the parents there? I am 18 now and I can post things, and you know yes there are pervs out there, but you guys as parents have no clue. Internet is not where pervs go to lure kids, its realtime ” parks an so on”, like i said before. NBC is all about its TV like shows, Its not real, people showed up yea big whoop, there are people out there who are freaks and need help. You give a fat lady on a diet directions to a house full of chocolate, and have a chat with her about it ” secret fantasy” she will show up for the craving. See internet needs to be reviewed, chatlogs erased, I can make up a chat and say anyting I want to make it look good, see you all have no clue. Us teens of this time know whats going on, you guys are all Reality TV Junkies and need to get off the couch and go play bll with your kids, and get them off the PC. Trust me they wont get picked up off the internet, becasue you guys have that blocked RIGHT? No watch your kids on the street, malls, and parks. Get real guys.. YAY to ABC,, NBC, nice try you are not fooling the younger generation, I will say you are great at brainwashing the older viewers with your methods….. Peace!!!!!!!
Posted by: Local Nut | September 20, 2007, 9:06 am 9:06 am
We are talking about entrapment here. The people doing the entrapment are perverted justice. They can easily edit their chats to hide illegal entrapment. “Stings” need to be carried out by law enforcement personal, from start to finish. The fact that non-law enforcement people are involved in the most crucial part of the sting; the luring of the person makes every one of them totally flawed. It is the highly inflammatory subject matter that we are dealing with that gets people riled up. Prosecutors, law enforcement and judges don’t want to be seen as not being tough on this type of crime so we have thrown the constitution out the window because we are dealing with something that no one likes. We are a nation of laws and a constitution even when dealing with something we don’t like. Good job ABC, finally someone pointed out the obvious. There is a reason that vigilantism is illegal. Cases against people need to be ENTIRELY carried out by trained law enforcement personal only.
Posted by: Tom | September 22, 2007, 11:18 am 11:18 am
I think a lot of you have missed a big point. There are hundreds of thousands of perverted men (and women) who are online just to get young girls and boys alone to molest them! Quit burying your heads in the sand. These child molesters don’t need protection; they need to be locked up and the keys thrown away! Do you know how badly they can harm these kids (not to mention the ones that are killed)?
Posted by: Sunshyne | September 23, 2007, 10:44 am 10:44 am
We need to remember that Bill Conradt never went to the decoy house. There is no evidence that he ever hit upon a minor sexually. His “crime” was engaging in dirty talk with a consenting stranger online. According to just about everybody interviewed, Conradt was a good lawyer and a very kind man.
There was no justification whatsoever for Chris Hansen and his goons to show up on Conradt’s property on a Sunday afternoon as they did. The only reason they rushed to Terrell as they did was for Dateline to hurry up with the shoot and get something “juicy and raw.”
I hope Conradt’s sister is awarded the 105 million dollars, and that she then goes after those Perverted Justice sociopaths.
I must also congratulate 20/20 for a very fine expose. Keep up the good work!
Posted by: Jay Smith | September 26, 2007, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Again, I get your point Sunshyne. I am 19 years old, and a Law Major in the beginning stages. Child Molesters, and predators do need help and locked up. But the point here is that the MEDIA NBC, and Perverted Justice is MAKING MONEY on reality shows, doing police work, and not following law to do the stings proper, so they can be locked up with a fair trial. BUT Perverted Justice is well known to alter chatlogs and lure people into conversation that in the beginning are innocent, then get changed so the TV show Dateline has a skit. Now yes I say 95%of the guys caught need to go. But I would say 5% of them are questionable. But with that said. Its not protecting the Child molester, these shows are making it light of a situation, and business come into play. Ok go get the pervs off the street, look out at parks, schools, so on. Internet is not the proper way to catch these guys. To many ways to lose original unedited compys of a chat log. And I can say kids in adult chat rooms is rare, and role playing comes into play here.. SOOOOO I do understand if the major part of the Adults have no internet skills, and do not understand internet chats and social sites. They are bounded by disclaimers, no one under 18 allowed. I am sorry to always rebutt. But these media stings need to go away just like pervs. And It makes great TV. No 13 14 15 year old wants a 30 or 40 year old, and knowing this, makes me think. What was said to start the conversations. And What chat room was this started in. Was it a SEX adult room? Like most are? Or was it in a General Public room ro Kids chat room.. Sad to say its in a ADULT Chat room..
“Internet be what you wanna be casue no one knows who you really are.”
Posted by: Micheal Thompson | September 26, 2007, 8:30 am 8:30 am
Isn’t it possible that someone like Conradt NEVER laid a hand on a minor, but just used the Internet to explore twisted sexual fantasies?
Don’t we all enjoy a certain degree of privacy? Would you, the person reading this, want YOUR computer scoured for “adult” web sites and porn? Would you want a band of loony vigilantes smearing your good name?
I hope what happened in Terrell Texas haunts Chris Hansen for the rest of his journalistic career.
Posted by: Jay Smith | September 26, 2007, 10:40 am 10:40 am
My comment is to boatman2. What the hell are you thinking?!? I would rather have these guys getting caught in a sting that they openly committed to with their perverted emails and get invited to their house then have them sneek into my house when I’m gone with my daughter. If we didnt have Perverted Justice taking these matters into their hands, we would have all of these perverts running around free while headed in a worse direction where they might rape our children, kidnap them, or kill them. Yet you think they’re getting a bad rap because they were invited to the house? God, I hope you dont have kids and if you did, they need to be removed because you have no idea what it means to protect them!
Posted by: Steve | September 26, 2007, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
To Steve. Perverted Justice, what a group of freaks. You must have overlooked my posting and a few others trying to make a point. Its about the justice system. Keep the Civilian groups out of the law enforcement sector. And they are running around, because perverted justice and NBC screwed up. And they want to play cop. Get the story straight. Perverted justice plays with evidence, and allows the perv to be let go. Now here is the fun part. Perverted Justice exposes children to porn, by allowing anyone to look at chats on thier website. Now, let the story be told. who works for perverted Justice? who post all this great positive stuff on here about how good NBC was. And how Perverted Justice is great. ABC I hope toy expose all the bad air about NBC and thier stings.. There is ALOT
Posted by: Local Nut | September 28, 2007, 12:30 am 12:30 am
I find it interesting that perverted justice was acting as underaged persons themselves and were not cited for seeking the same as these people were charged with?
what if these “pedophiles” were realy under age? would perverted justice be charged with the same crime? what happens then? ” Sorry, Maam, didn’t realy mean to draw you into a sting operation”
Has this situation ever occurred during tocatchapreditor filming?
If two people are fanticising, and in reality believe that they are interacting with others who they believe are actualy older and fanticising with them, acting as younger than posted age, and meet with them, how is that a crime? none can know for sure what or who they are dealing with untill they actualy meet.
food for thought.
Posted by: dumb | September 29, 2007, 8:28 am 8:28 am
Something I can’t understand. Why wasn’t anyone charged with attempting to entice the Conradt to come to the house to commit a criminal act against a child. The NBC out takes clearly shows that happened. You can’t use the argument that there was no actual child there. If that argument holds water, then every case would have to be tossed out. Conradt didn’t show up even though he was phoned 3 times. The police chief lied in the interview on 20/20, so that discredits anything else he has said. In the Esquire interview, Chris Hansen looked like one of the predators caught in the sting. If Chris Hansen really wants to do something, let him go to Iraq and do a “To Catch An Insurgent” sting. He may even make an appearance on arab tv.
Posted by: William | September 29, 2007, 9:30 am 9:30 am
GOOD JOB CHRIS FOR THE WORK YOU ARE DOING! I myself was sexually abused by a relative until I was 13 when I told someome. Its good to know there are people out there who are trying to protect our kids. KEEP THE GOOD WORK UP!!
Posted by: Ellen | September 29, 2007, 10:10 am 10:10 am
In response to William above:
One of the many reasons I despise the TCAP show is that Chris Hansen acts like a big man confronting what are essentially lonely, desperate, and in some cases quite pathetic men. The mark of a real hero, however, is taking on somebody one’s own size.
Where, for example, was Hansen during the run-up to the Iraq War, when Bush/Cheney lied through their teeth and sent literally hundreds of thousands of people to their death? He would have done the nation a gigantic favor by confronting George Bush on camera (“Well, Mr. Bush, why don’t you have a seat?”).
Compare Hansen to another well-known journalist, Michael Moore. Whatever bad things can be said about Moore, the fact is that he not only takes on people his own size, but people who are much more powerful. Bush/Cheney, the National Rifle Association, the big drug and insurance companies, for instance. Hansen makes his money deceiving and entrapping men who probably aren’t even pedophiles anyway; a lot of these guys are probably just fantasizing about young, good-looking people online.
Posted by: Jay Smith | September 29, 2007, 11:36 am 11:36 am
USA STATUTES : NEW JERSEY
TITLE : TITLE 2C THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
CHAPTER : 2C:13-7.
Detail: : 2C:13-7. Luring, enticing an adult, certain circumstances, third degree crime. 1. A person commits a crime of the third degree if he attempts, via electronic or any other means, to lure or entice a person into a motor vehicle, structure or isolated area, or to meet or appear at any place, with a purpose to commit a criminal offense with or against the person lured or enticed or against any other person. ~Electronic means~ as used in this section includes, but is not limited to, the Internet. ~Internet~ means the international computer network of both federal and non-federal interoperable packet switched data networks. ~Structure~ shall have the meaning set forth in P.L.1993, c.291 (C.2C:13-6). Nothing herein shall be deemed to preclude, if the evidence so warrants, an indictment and conviction for attempted kidnapping under the provisions of N.J.S.2C:13-1 or for any other crime or offense. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:1-8 or any other law, a conviction under this section shall not merge with a conviction of any other criminal offense, nor shall such other conviction merge with a conviction under this section, and the court shall impose separate sentences upon each violation of this section and any other criminal offense. The court may not suspend or make any other non-custodial disposition of any person sentenced pursuant to this section. L.2005,c.1.
This would apply to N.J. cases of course. Doing research on other states.
Posted by: William | September 29, 2007, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
To the Law Statue above. The people lured were the people going to the house. No chatlogs state the child being lured anywhere. So if I read it right. NBC and PJ should be cited for luring someone into a house for sex. Minor or not.. ???
Lets turn the tables, and stop this money making show
Posted by: Local Nut | September 30, 2007, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Local Nut, exactly my point. Also that is what dateline did to Conradt in texas. If any dateline supporters can deny that conradt was being lured by that actor, then watch a replay. It doesn’t matter that they later found child porn on his computer,if they really did. The police chief proved his word is worthless. Chris Hansen brought up the porn because he is in denial regarding the death of Conradt.Hopefully he has to think about killing a person to build up his ego and money, for the rest of his life. I can picture him being turned away from the pearly gates. His last words. “But first there is something you must know. I’m Chris Hansen from dateline.
Posted by: William | September 30, 2007, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Last Note! Trolling people to a house for sex, minor or not. Prostitution ! Illegal, Wheres the law there? These people are not law enforcement? PJ NBC. So they were online trolling for johns, illegally. Come on here someone pick this up, this seems like a great lawsuit. Maybe NBC paid these guys in some way to show up for looks? Where are the real chats? Uneditied I mean, no thanks PJ not the ones you have, casue the smart people of the world know you edit all files. Or if your are agents of the police, you need to go to law school, you violated everyones rights, and now you caught bad guys and have no legal grounds cause Miranda Rights were not read before you talked to the people at the house.. OPPPS your mistake, but thats amatures. Get out the Police business. To all DA’s of the states of who are trying to go ahead with this silly game. Sorry you will not get any TV bonuses for not looking into the real chain of steps that needed to be followed correctly before you charge these guys. Open your eyes..
Posted by: Local Nut | October 7, 2007, 11:46 am 11:46 am
OMG!I cannot beleive that something so simple has turned into some crazy fiasco!As a former partner of one of the predators caught in this sting operation I have no doubt that he is guilty!Even admitting it!!Now he is walking free looking or has had his next victim!I am from another country and this man has left a trail of destruction around the world,he too should have shot himself.I have a young daughter and to my disgust I beleive it was only a matter of time before he would have soon lured her too!Lets not forget the reason of arresting these monsters….They wanted to screw a kid and take their innocence!!!Shame on you Texas for allowing them to walk free and not allowing rape cases to be heard!
Posted by: chick | October 22, 2007, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
I used to work with Myrick in Allen. I am not at all surprised that this operation went south. While I fully support prosecuting these animals I believe that you have to take care of business. Billie Myrick failed the sting, failed the Department, failed the town and worse he failed his self.
Posted by: Bill | October 24, 2007, 3:38 am 3:38 am
While I think pedophiles should be dealt with, I do not belive anyone outside of law enforcement should be involved. It is a sad day in America when so many belive “any means necessary” and irrational emotionalism, should overide due process and civility . My question is. If the predator did not actually communicate with or meet a real child, is it a prosecuteable crime, even if there was intent. So should you be arrested for saying you would like to kill your boss, the statement infers intent. At some point will the thought police come for you. As for PERVERTED JUSTICE the name says it all.
Posted by: Ron | October 27, 2007, 12:39 am 12:39 am
20/20 should be helping Dateline and Perverted Justice in catching these sicko’s from preying on innocent little kids. Men from all backgrounds of education are being caught and they deserve to be tagged as a CHILD PERVERT. We as a whole are trying to teach our children that adults are people that we should feel protected by when we know the difference between wright and wrong. If you have someone like the DA in Texas or the cop that they busted on a show from Flordia, who is supposed to uphold the law by protecting the innocent and convict the guilty, why should we trust people with law power? As the saying goes, “if you do the crime, you will do time.”
Posted by: Stephen U. | October 27, 2007, 11:13 am 11:13 am
it seems that the real bad guys here are you morons writing in to say that ABC is only trying to take a swing at NBC, when in reality, they are daring to discuss the sickness of a show that publicly humiliate sexual preditors to the point that they have no chance of ever re-entering socity, and are thus far more likly to reoffend. Perhaps some people should be required to take an IQ test before being allowed on the internet.
Posted by: Emma | October 28, 2007, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Their should be a
Morley Saffer / Chris Hansen
Excellence in journalism
Award!
And give the award to
Journalism students.
Posted by: Jim Dandy | October 29, 2007, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
The mark of a great journalist is his or her willingness to take on powerful people and institutions. Where was either Safer or Hansen — or for that matter, the networks for which they work — when George Bush & Dick Cheney lied this nation into war, directly causing the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq?
Hansen and his perverted sidekicks prey on lonely, desperate men. This is neither an example of good journalism nor a mark of courage. It is simply cashing in on people’s desire to see others humiliated on TV.
The good news is that NBC is being sued $105 million for the “wrongful death” of a former Texas prosecutor. A judgment against the network will likely spell the end of the “To Entrap A Lonely Man” show.
Posted by: Jay Smith | October 30, 2007, 12:05 am 12:05 am
It is truly sad when the POLICE capture perverts and NONE OF THEM GET CONVICTED when they have uncoerced CONFESSIONS ON VIDEO!
The PERVs are the victims here???? I cannot believe the how our society is going down the tubes when people defend perverts!! Don’t like the show? DON’T WATCH IT. These people were caught red handed and now let go! What about the lawsuit that is sure to come when a child gets molested IN MURPHY! I am so glad that I do not live there!!
This story is absurd and is absolutely a swipe at the other station. The story should be WHY THE DIST ATTY DID NOT PROSECUTE THESE MEN.
Posted by: Max Smith | December 18, 2007, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
“NBC and PJ should be cited for luring someone into a house for sex.”
ENTICEMENT is legal. Entrapment is not. This was enticement!
Posted by: Scooter Scott | December 18, 2007, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Chris Hansen has proven himself a one-trick pony that should be taken behind the barn and put out of our misery. There are pedophiles on the Internet: we get the point already! Move on! And the fact that you can’t do a story without breaking that format is proof that you need a vacation.
Plus, people here talk about the fact that this is a felony. Well, lots of things are felonies. Insider trading, perjury. Did police rush Scooter Libby’s house with guns drawn and full riot gear? Did they taser Martha Stuart?
And by the way, I’m wondering when Dateline goes full hard core and shows these guys getting sodomized in prison. Given the euphoric feelings of some who’ve already expressed joy at seeing human beings beat down and arrested by the cops, you’d see the ratings spike. And you’re already going to the lowest common denominator, so why stop there?
Posted by: John Meyer | December 29, 2007, 6:47 am 6:47 am
I’m surprised the report didn’t mention a former producer filing a lawsuit because she felt she was fired for pointing out the ethical violations of “To Catch a Predator”.
Posted by: Matt | January 3, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
ABC are coming off like a bunch of whiney crybabies. Dateline made a show that’s worth watching and is still on the air for a good cause, and ABC has to cry and moan about it. So a pedophile shot himself… lets all wheep for this would-be child molester.
Posted by: Bill Orly | January 9, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
WOW, It’s called “Due Process”!
Due process is best defined in one word–Fairness. Throughout the U.S.’s history, its constitutions, statutes and case law have provided standards for fair treatment of citizens by federal, state and local governments. These standards are known as due process. When a person is treated unfairly by the government, including the courts, he is said to have been deprived of or denied due process.
These individuals are lured and in many cases Entraped. They are filmed and then broadcast on national TV, and berated before they are even convicted.
Inocent until proven Guilty???
Not on NBC.
Posted by: Phantastek | March 1, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
Makes me question the ‘true’ motives of the DA who dropped all the charges… Who would put the guys back on the street??? Someone who has something to hide, if you ask me…
Posted by: esc | March 28, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
What happens if the Perv. commits a crime prior to arriving at the decoy’s house. E.g. You have a “real” child molester and he is baited to meet the decoy; however. A couple of days pass AFTER the initial crime was committed and he finally agrees to meet the decoy. During the two days he “really” does molests a child. Now the police had the evidence to file for a warrant to have the Perv. picked up ASAP in his municipality. But the police waited for the cameras for the arrest days later. Sad!
Posted by: Jones | March 28, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
the man that killed himself did so because he was embarrassed by his own actions of being a derelict. that isn’t datelines or the polices fault. if he could mistreat children and enjoy the child porn then he should have been man enough to suffer the consequences of being a pervert instead he took the low road yet again and took his own life. his sister should take a good look of what her brother really was. a perverted loser.
Posted by: momwhocares | June 18, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
NBC has been doing an absolutely laudable job in exposing criminals, especially those hurting our children and I am appalled at ABC’s conduct and comments in this particular matter. It is unconscionable that for the sake of ratings ABC will condemn the actions of NBC and try to discredit Chris Hansen, just because the entire ABC Network has no one in it with the guts to do what’s right!
Posted by: Concernedmother | June 25, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
It would really be horrible if all the other men that have been prosecuted and waiting prosecution get off and all charges dropped. People don’t care to understand that they could be saving a child.
Posted by: Karen | June 26, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
How can you guys stick up for these pedophiles in ANY WAY?! have you even seen the show?? MOST of the guys not only expose themselves to CHILDREN before they meet- they bring boose, drugs, condoms etc. I dont care who they actually were talking to- it’s who they thought they were talking to! You people are frighteningly ignorant to wish for anything but jail for these guys. You would feel a lot different if it had been your kid. yeah Conradt killed himself…. probably cause he was an INNOCENT guy right? and btw Jonathan T- Even if it’s just pictures he had of naked kids… its still illegal sweetie.
Posted by: melissa | June 26, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
I attempted to read most comments, one will try to defend how this show may be wrong and what not. This is of course followed by a post about,”how can you stick up for these sickos” blah blah. All I can say on this is you have zero right to say “these people” deserve this unless you yourself are the victim of this crime. Now lets look at facts. Internet, chat room, two people talk about sex, one is an adult and one is a minor. The minor then invites the person to his/her home for sex. Once again if you are angry with people they catch on this show you should be honest and think if you or anyone you know has ever been a victim of the crime I just described.
With that said my view on this show is this, and its not much different from say police putting a civilian in a position to work off charges for the police. Creating a situation for a person, then having them arrested for it is so incredibly idiotic it makes me sick watching the show for ten minutes. The best part is when the cops are interviewing the subject and they say “its illegal to have a chat like this with a minor.” YOU ARE THE FREAKING MINOR ON THE OTHER END OF THE CHAT!! And the whole preventive crap can get crammed up Chris Hansen’s butt. That is a person who deserves zero praise, zero recognition for anything other than a low life who makes his living setting up fake situations that somehow are made real by a bunch of grownup children that have facial hair and clothes they bought themselves, which I guess makes moronic ideas seem smart and just. If you catch someone in the act of violating a minor by all means beat them until you’ve cracked the bones in your hand. This show is not catching someone in the act, its another reason the human race fails itself.
We are all hypocrites. Once again, setting up a situation makes you just as guilty for the final result.
Posted by: Predictableresponseinc. | July 4, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Meeting a child for sex is illegal, simply being a pedophile is not. When he didn’t go to the house, he proved he was at least smart enough to keep his desires to himself and his ##### in his pants. Effectively killing him for having thought of committing a crime is Orwellian.
Besides, none of the men are pedophiles in the medical sense of the term. pedophilia is sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children. Whether or not it is normal in our society, it is genetically normal to find pubertal people of any age attractive.
Posted by: somebodyoranother | August 7, 2008, 5:02 am 5:02 am
How could the police be manipulated by the media so easily? Im all for pedophiles getting arrested, but in the case of this man who shot himself he didnt show up to the trap. So they call him 3 times and after he doesnt respond they decide to go to his house and get a search warrant to bust down his door and interview him? You guys dont see anything wrong with police busting down this mans door simply for talking dirty online? If if he didnt show up to trap you cant assume he was taking it seriously or messing around. On the other 23 guys who got let off obviously this is wrong since they showed up to the trap therefore their intentions are obvious.
Posted by: Itstheinternetyoullneverknow | October 21, 2008, 5:26 am 5:26 am
I believe these guys’ intent is wrong and what they do is wrong. However, there may be a bit of “luring” here, the pre-curser of entrapment. I’ll bet you could lure some unwitting females into doing illegal things if you promised them something they wanted. While these guys are absolutely wrong, and these urges they cannot supress are wrong, dateline is possibly waking a dormant part of some of them, luring them into trouble. Leave the sleeping problem alone.
Posted by: Paul | April 27, 2009, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
WHEN IF IT HAPPEN TO OUR OWN FAMILY MEMBER THEN WE CARE, BUT WHEN IT COME TO OTHER FAMILY WE CARE VERY LITTLE. WHY DONT WE ASK IF IT IS OUR OWN CHILD IN THE PICTURE. WHAT SHOULD THEY DO TO THE PERVERT. WE DONT RELIES HOW DAMAGEING IT WILL BE TO OUR OWN FAMILY IF WAS ARE FAMILY MEMBER. THE TRUTH IF IT DONT HAPPEN TO OUR FAMILY WE DONT CARE AND THAT IS WRONG. I AM SURE A SMALL PERCENTAGE CARE BUT AT WHAT LEVEL
Posted by: Chris Ly | June 19, 2009, 3:31 am 3:31 am
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO ALL. LIFE IS WONDERFUL. BUT A LARGE PERCENT OF PERVERT MAKE IT HARD ON EVERYONE. I CHANGE THE WAY WE LIVE AND HOW MUCH WE CAN TRUST IN THIS WORLD.
MY LAST STATEMENT IS YEARS AGO WE LIVE ARE DOOR UNLOCK AND WINDOW OPAN. NO WE HAVE TO ARM OUR SELF TO PROTECT OUR FAMILY. THE COMPUTER AGE HAS OPAN UP.
Posted by: Chris Ly | June 19, 2009, 3:39 am 3:39 am
WHO IS PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN AND IS IT ANOFE PROTECTION. THE PROBLEMS IS NOT THE SHOW. IT IS THERE ARE PERVERT OUT THERE. GO AFTER THEM. THE SHOW GIVE US A REALITY OF HOW THE WORLD WORK IN BAD WAY. WAKE UP A SMILL THE COFFEE AND TASTE THE HEAT WHEN YOU DRINK FROM THE HOT CUP. THAT IS REALTY WE DENIES IT WILL NOT HAPPEN IN OUR FAMILY. WHY NOT ASK CAN WE DEAL WITH IT IF COME.
Posted by: Chris Ly | June 19, 2009, 3:51 am 3:51 am
This is all fake. I see chat sites that allow people have sexual conversations with kids in channels and nothing happens. They tell these young girls to show, get naked, show feet, show bra and go private. But when I see and hear about it on the news and these television programs, it illegal and they go to jail. So it don’t know who is telling the truth.
Posted by: Gee | July 5, 2009, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
shame on you NBC , THis program is Bias because only favor to NBC and so call P ??? garbage justice only , who work as a whole team to do such rediculus programs that catch the adult unfaitly !
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Posted by: ben | December 16, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Why would an innocent person shoot themselves just because the police came in?
Easy… he knew he was tracked down and its that simple.
Another phedo dead and he did the honorable thing and shot himself.
Case closed… no tax money spend… no feeding him three meals a day..
Posted by: YourMom | February 25, 2010, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
This guy was a screw up, but I think that the show is borderline unethical. It fills an uncomfortable void in our feelings, who is in the wrong? That’s probably why it is such great television.
Posted by: Zachariah Granville | June 3, 2010, 4:00 am 4:00 am
I think the idea is noble but also is riddled with legal issues.
1. Entrappment in most the cases
2. Wiretap laws broken
Why Entrapment, the preditors are encouraged to meet with the underage person, Mean while this chat group perverted justice is paid to do this so there is money at stake here.
ok now for the the wiretap law.
Since the location of the meeting place is a house (residence) it is not a public place.
When the preditor enters the home, they are video taped in secret for the first 15 minutes.
Now during this time, the preditor is unaware of the taping.
His/Her rights have been violated and the flip side is “To Catch A Preditor” Or Dateline have just committed a Federal Felony , not to mention any local state laws on wiretap.
Think of it this way, The president of the united states comes in to your home (Not public but private residence) Can you secretly record your conversation with him and not tell him about the secret video taping?
No the Secret service will be so far up your ### that it wouldn’t even be funny, not to mention you will end up in jail.
Why do you think DA’s are not touching these cases. Each person who is not convicted can sue the police for False arrest , False imprisonment and walk away with millions.
I think that this process of Dateline needs to be thought out completely.
Like ask their lawyers or a criminal law lawyer what they can and can’t do.
Not to mention the guys who get off can sue Dateline for Slander…..
Posted by: SmileyJohnsen | June 28, 2010, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
some of you people are seriously demented
“good riddance” etc type remarks, to a man you dont even know.
You do know how easy it is to fake chat logs? Type in anything and who is to prove that person didn’t say that line?
Did you ever see this man do any crime? Where was the hurt child.
LAWS are there for a reason. You people do not understand them, you’re brainwashed little children who just don’t know any better. A cop can pull you over and throw 10 different BS charges on you, and you have no choice but to take it. Police ALWAYS lie to help further their case.
1) all the cops shown in to catch a predator were bribed off duty cops
2) there is a thing called entrapment, look it up,
3) No crime was committed, no children were hurt, these people are not really under age, these are paid actors pretending to be under age, the perverted justice leader got paid 500,000 an episode
To further state, about the no crimes were committed. You do realize what they are doing with laws now? You dont even have to do anything illegal, if you just GOOGLE it, youll get arrested soon. Look up ACTA. The next time you google “download free song”, or watch a video on youtube of a part of a movie, you will get locked up and fined. The same goes for child pornorgraphy. If you go on kazaa, and go to download a movie clip of star wars, and you open it up and its really some child porn video, the police know this, and they bate people into downloading the clips this way. You WILL get arrested and WILL get put in jail over it. You did no crime, but the police do not care. They only want you in jail, so they can tally another number into their books.
Posted by: omg | September 16, 2010, 7:34 am 7:34 am
Murray killed MJ, plain and simple; all we hear about now is Corey Haim (who was a REAL drug addict). All MJ wanted was a good night’s sleep and to awake to be with his kids in the morning. Throw this slimebag doctor in jail and toss away the key; he had the prop delivered to his girlfriend’s address; a girlfriend with whom he had a child in Los Angeles in March 2009 while being “married” to a wife (with several kids) and having fathered several others over the years by other women. He’s a liar and a cheat, the worst of the worst.
Posted by: Ahmad Firlit | November 8, 2011, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
OMG paranoia will destroy ya…Ahmad MJ as you call him was a pedophile and drug addict. You on the other hand are delusional.
Posted by: joann | November 20, 2011, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm