Oct 11, 2007 2:42pm

Planned ‘Columbine-Style’ Attack Averted: Student Arrested

A 14-year-old boy was arrested in a leafy suburb of Philadelphia Thursday for allegedly planning what prosecutors say he called a "Columbine-style" incident which was stopped even as he was recruiting others to participate with him . The youth was turned in by a student in Plymouth Township who reported the suspect’s intentions to police Wednesday around 7 p.m., law enforcement officials said. Before midnight, the suspect was in custody and his arsenal seized, the officials said.  A senior law enforcement official said the suspect admitted to authorities Columbine was his inspiration and its perpetrators his heroes. He had a video depicting the incident in his possession when authorities searched his home. Authorities described him as relatively short, extremely overweight and with significant emotional and psychological problems. The youth reportedly operated a Web site filled with images of weaponry and violence, sources said. Violence was averted, according to Montgomery County Prosecutor Bruce Castor, because the school district’s early warning system system and its relationship with police, which in the past had been in disrepair, worked perfectly this time. Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage. "The police and the school district are finally on the same page," Castor told ABC News. In recent months, a series of meetings had been held to ensure that if there were potential for a violent incident, authorities would be notified. The school and police would then broadcast that message to students. "We told them, ‘If you hear of something in the works, you come to us,’ and that is exactly what happened," Castor said. The Montgomery County prosecutor’s office is no stranger to high-profile cases or violent incidents. In the past, it investigated a series of allegations of sexual assault against comedian Bill Cosby and a number of sensational child abuse and murder cases.  No criminal charges were filed against Cosby because Castor found there was "insufficient credible and admissible evidence" to support the accuser’s claims. Castor said that because the youth was in the recruiting phase and because he did not have any ammunition for his weapons, it was unlikely an attack was imminent. The youth had been removed from school about 18 months ago reportedly because he had been bullied, and his parents were homeschooling him. He went back to his former schoolmates in an effort to recruit one or more of them to join him in his Columbine-type assault, officials said. The school targeted, Plymouth Whitemarsh High School, conducted classes as usual Thursday, officials said. The student, whose identity is not being disclosed because of his age, is currently charged as a juvenile, but, Castor said, he may seek to charge him as an adult and will make that decision later this week. A search of the youth’s home had turned up a small arsenal, including a 9mm semi-automatic handgun with a laser sight, 30 air-powered weapons, a live-hand grenade, bomb-making instructions and two inert hand grenades that he apparently intended to convert to live ones as well as notebooks outlining his plans, authorities said. The youth’s mother reportedly purchased at least some of those weapons, authorities noted. The purchases were legal, but authorities are contemplating charging her in connection with the youth’s plans. Among other items seized were the "Anarchist’s Cook Book" and a U.S. Army’s counterinsurgency operation handbook. Also taken were about a half-dozen DVDs, including one entitled "Game Over in Littleton," where Columbine High School is located. Do you have a tip for Brian Ross and the Investigative Team?

User Comments

What is with the picture? Does it have anytning to do with the kid? It makes you think that this is the arsenal the kid owns. According to the blog post, the only dangerous weapon he had was a 9mm. Just another form of media propaganda.

Posted by: jp | October 11, 2007, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

The boy was only 14, his parents especially his mother who purchased the weapons should be held fully liable. What kind of parent would purchase a semi-automatic for their 14 year old boy as a Christmas present? The boy needs to be psychologically evaluated and released into the foster care system, and paired with caring parents, away from his mother, and the judge should throw the book at the mother for raising her son to be a killer.

Posted by: RobertJ | October 11, 2007, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Those guns aren’t real… One clearly is a BB gun and the rest have a plastic look to them. Was this kid going to shoot up a school with BB guns?

Posted by: Ryan | October 11, 2007, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Great job to all involved and a medal for the kid who had the courage to speak up!

Posted by: Matthew S. | October 11, 2007, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

another fat crazy with an arsenal of air rifles. oooh i might get shot with a pellet.

Posted by: wabash | October 11, 2007, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

Just the type of person Blackwater wants on their team !

Posted by: kenny | October 11, 2007, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

What’s wrong with our kids today!?

Posted by: David | October 11, 2007, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

what other industrialized country could a 14 year old boy accumulate that much weaponry…it is a lesson to those who bully others…disrespect people at your own risk…if we just treated everyone with respect…people wouldn’t feel the need to act out like this…

Posted by: TruthHurts | October 11, 2007, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

What’s up with the headline photo? The story said he had a 9mm handgun, grenade, and 30 air rifles. The photo you guys chose to use shows a table full of assault weapons not pellet guns what’s up? Quit trying to trump things up like that shame on you.

Posted by: eric | October 11, 2007, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

What’s happening to our kids these days!?

Posted by: David | October 11, 2007, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Good. A future killing spree has been stopped. But DO NOT prosecute him as an adult. He did not actually go on a killing spree. In fact, I’d go so far as to say he wanted to get caught. Well now finally, and after all his hard work, he has been caught by the really smart people. OK. Now what? How about finding out what makes him so angry? Let him grow up in a good world.

Posted by: Robert H | October 11, 2007, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Earth to Clueless Mom: your son has been bullied at school, has emotional/psychological problems, and had such a tough time that you pulled him out of school. Might not be the best idea to buy him a freaking assault rifle! What an idiot!

Posted by: Dave J. | October 11, 2007, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

If the mother purchased the guns for a minor, charge her too. And the Dad, if he’s around too.

Posted by: John Dempsey, Mishawaka, IN | October 11, 2007, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

A FOURTEEN year-old w/THAT kind of arsenal (even if the mother purchased them)…HOW INSANE!!! And I bet, they’ll be gun-bearing advocates defending her!!! Anyway, another common thread throughout ALL these school shootings is, they’ve all been BULLIED…MOST parents AND schools these days DON’T BOTHER to TRULY TEACH kids about RESPECTING OTHERS (INSTEAD, they’re too busy teaching them to be SELF-ABSORBED, & how BAD it is to be a “TATTLE-TALE” when someone bullies/insults you)!?!?

Posted by: mod rit | October 11, 2007, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

The photo is dishonest. Displaying “airsoft” bb-guns as real firearms creates the idea that a large number of firearms were present. Just adds to the hysteria.

Posted by: Nobody | October 11, 2007, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

I don’t care what the gun nuts say anymore – there is something seriously wrong in our country when a 14 year old can assemble an arsenal like that. The gun lobby needs to stop hiding behind their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and realize that they are killing America’s youth.

Posted by: Granny Smith | October 11, 2007, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

So, he had 1 9mm handgun and 30 pellet guns? I bet the 9mm is his moms, found in a separate room or gun safe and she had been buying him the bb/pellet guns or airsofts (whichever it turns out to be). That assault would have stung like the dickens, and gotten him killed by police.

Posted by: JB | October 11, 2007, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

The air-powered weapons are toys, not part of an “arsenal”.

Posted by: Herb Holloway | October 11, 2007, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

What it all boils down to is the parents, not gun laws, parents, I had gun since I was 12 went o gun safety classes, with my FATHER. there is just no bond with familys like there was when I was a kid. my parents pass time out side of work was with family, not “Happy Hour” up at the bar with friends, but with their kids….it’s sad

Posted by: Freddie | October 11, 2007, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

WE CAN NEVER ASSUME THAT AN ATTACK IS UNLIKELY IMMINENT. I AM SUPRISED SOMEONE WOULD EVER SAY THAT!!!!! HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF FOR SAYING THAT!!!!!!! WHAT ARE WE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN IF WE SAY THAT AN ATTACK IS UNLIKELY IMMINENT. NOT TO REPORT WHAT MAY HAPPEN??

Posted by: gr8mother | October 11, 2007, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

14 year old can assemble an arsenal …try the parents….

Posted by: Freddie | October 11, 2007, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

Every loving and intelligent mother buys her kid guns. Especially when they are so absolutely stable, as this one appears to be. What is wrong with this woman anyway? If the kid can’t cope at school due to the teasing and torment, why in the name of God would she provide him with weapons. Here’s your sign!

Posted by: CJ | October 11, 2007, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Arsenal? How bizarre. Next, u newZ(tm) “experts” will call a paintball facility a “white separitist terror training camp” because it has a) mostly white kids b) because they have teams c) etc.
The hand grenade is a very serious concern, no doubt but the rest of the story is a big panic feet created by the media.
The real news is the bullying.

Posted by: hollywoodgregd | October 11, 2007, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

The photo is misleading, makes me assume the rest of the article is bogus also.

Posted by: Bob | October 11, 2007, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

This message is to all you idiots who are downplaying this event. The kid had a 9 mm gun which is capable of killing plenty of people. Who cares if he had bb guns, he had a real gun and live grenades as well. You all are as naive as this kid’s mother

Posted by: forrest | October 11, 2007, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

I forgot to say, revenge for having been BULLIED isn’t a main reason for school shootings ONLY, it’s the main reason for alot of OTHER shootings ALSO (ie. the cop in Wisconsin)!

Posted by: mod rit | October 11, 2007, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

This child need help, not jail. He didn’t actually hurt anyone thanks to the bravery of another child speaking up. Get him away from the parents that are not loving and caring for him and get him some real support. He needs a damn hug not a cell. Thankfully the system worked to stop him, but I agree with Robert H that he wanted to be caught. He’s crying out for help, don’t punish him.

Posted by: Paula L. | October 11, 2007, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

Exactly, so was this kid going to shoot up the school with a bunch of pellat/BB guns? I know this because I owned one of the same exact BB guns 5 years ago. I hate when people look at one photo and automatically assume and freak out. But then come to think about it, 30 air soft guns is a lot.

Posted by: Ryan | October 11, 2007, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

the kid was really big on war and had a lot of airsoft guns and swords he is pretty weird but i am so happy that the boy told

Posted by: matt | October 11, 2007, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

Adds to the hysteria? are you serious? there should be more hysteria… enough to change the way things are done in this loser country. there is no sane argument that says why people need to own guns. i know they’ll spout about their rights blah, blah blah. You know what? some rights are more fundamental….namely the right of children to go to school without the fear of being shot dead while there. and don’t blame it on the parents. not because it isn’t their fault, but because you take away the power to make a change. shaking your head and saying “those stupid parents (which they are) should be ashamed of themselves” does no good… because there are thousands and thousands of other stupid parents out there who will allow their kids to do the same thing. we as a society have proven that we cannot handle this “right” to bear arms. we can’t. more and more kids will be shot dead in greater and greater numbers until we are so immune we don’t even care anymore. we won’t even notice the story as we skip ahead to the comics.
The photo is dishonest. Displaying “airsoft” bb-guns as real firearms creates the idea that a large number of firearms were present. Just adds to the hysteria.

Posted by: tj | October 11, 2007, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

What, you don’t consider live a hand grenade a “dangerous weapons” jp? And high-powered air guns, while seldom lethal, ARE dangerous – it just depends upon how you use (or misuse) them.

Posted by: Gads2000 | October 11, 2007, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Thats what happens when you take prayer out of school; they live like a bunch of wild vilains. have no respect for anyone else.

Posted by: Jr. | October 11, 2007, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

I agree! I thought at first that picture showed the guns taken from the kid!

Posted by: 14ghz | October 11, 2007, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

I disagree with the statement “because the school district’s early warning system system and its relationship with police, which in the past had been in disrepair, worked perfectly this time. ” This statement is misleading to the reader. It was the care and concern of an individual student that was the reason this tragedy was averted. The media needs to publically praise this kind of activity so others will view this as a valuable action. My hats off to this brave young person with maturity beyond their years. They are the hero in this incident.

Posted by: Nancy | October 11, 2007, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

In 1974 when I graduated from high school, the worst we had to face was the few fist fights after school, and someone sneaking a joint into the smokers pit (outdoor stairwell). Can any of you tell me what has changed since then? I know guns laws have increased, and bullies are still the same. What is so different 33 years later?

Posted by: MITCH | October 11, 2007, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

The picture is deceptive and dishonest. It has nothing to do with what was found on the kid.

Posted by: Jay | October 11, 2007, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Keep in mind, if you take away our right to own guns, then it is true that only the criminals will have guns. Since I do not have kids, and I’m single & living in a high crime area, I will keep my 44 mag. thank you. You can not outlaw guns, and keep criminals from getting them.

Posted by: MITCH | October 11, 2007, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

This is the high school my kids attend. The pictures were of all the weapons confiscated from the kids room – including the assault rifle, hand grenades, numberous real-looking pellet guns, swords, knives and bomb making material.
I agree with some of the other posters that a kid who’s removed from school with “psychological and emotional problems” is probably not a good candidate for giving an assault rifle as a Christmas gift. It’s my opinion that the parents were at fault for not keeping an eye on him. There HAD to be signs.
Just my opinion.

Posted by: Cam | October 11, 2007, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Theese guns clearly are fake for all the people who think theyre real. And I HIGHLY doubt security would let AK-47s in. Like I said the AK-47s are too short and they would should a real AK mag anyway

Posted by: Rich | October 11, 2007, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

I say send kids like this to the schools and neighborhoods of the people who think this is no big deal. Take him, and the ones like this kid. He’s all yours.

Posted by: Kim | October 11, 2007, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

you know what, everyone can think what they want, but its people like us who create people like him. if you want to blame anyone, blame yourselves for not teaching your children right. If i was that child id feel the same way. Not saying its the right thing to do. he is accountable for his actions, but not for his emotions. but the media will be the media and the gov will control our lives till we all die.

Posted by: random | October 11, 2007, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

The picture is only misleading to idiots that don’t read the entire article. I agree the real problem are the bullies in the schools. People ask what they get for sometimes. Although, shooting someone is a harsh crime and should be dealt with accordingly. I think parents should encourage their kids if bullied to bring them out back of the school and kick the the bullies face into the cement. Guns aren’t the problem here as they are inanimate objects. The kid could of easily constructed his own bomb, used swords or other lethal devices. In the end I am glad a tragedy was adverted and think both the child and parents should be dealt with accordingly. Also, it was good for the nark in this situation to report his friend to the authorities.

Posted by: John | October 11, 2007, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

For all of you LIBERAL ALARMISTS – those are Air Guns and NOT real bullet-firing guns (there’s a difference, that I’m sure you don’t want to believe).
The cop’s Chief Of Police probably put them up to that. Or, by the prodding of the Press, for a great photo OP (no doubt). A massacre wouldn’t have been carried out with THOSE guns, because some brave students would’ve kicked the crap out of this guy once he started shooting those things off.
There was just the one gun, and no ammo was found for it. So just go back to your improbable dreams of Nirvana in a world without guns; cause it ain’t gonna’ happen.

Posted by: politically informed | October 11, 2007, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

What’s different 33 years later? I’ll tell you, it’s simple: Parents these days are afraid to discipline their children, period.
I don’t blame them.

Posted by: JB | October 11, 2007, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

air guns?
CO2, pop an eye out.. no arsenal there man…

Posted by: fred | October 11, 2007, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

This seems too much of a coincidence to me. Yesterday Ohio, today Philly. I’m seeing a bigger picture here & it doesn’t look good. Seems that those behind the scenes wants the public to get into a state of “fear” again and to back some legislative policy that would take away our right to bear arms, our rights as individuals, and what is left of our privacy. Don’t believe the hype, it all comes down to self-responsibility and parental responsibility. Principals in our education system need to come up w/ a plan that works to stop bullying in schools rather than making those feel powerless and feeling like they have to leave the school in order for the bullying to stop. Parents we need to teach our kids how to be more respectful to ourselves and others. Any other suggestions?

Posted by: godiva | October 11, 2007, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

That “arsenal” of weapons is pretty clearly nothing more than a big collection of airsoft rifles which are legal for purchase by a parent (or anyone else over the age of 18), non-lethal, and IMPOSSIBLE to convert to fire regular ammunition. Way to stoke the hysteria ABC.

Posted by: WK | October 11, 2007, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

I try really hard not to say or do things that would result in many of you lumping me together with the “survivalist” nuts who are training for a war in Wyoming and think Hitler was a god. But when I see some of the comments posted here, it’s hard not to respond rather vigorously.
Many of you are aghast that a Mom would buy a handgun for a 14 year old, but at that age my parents had purchased two rifles, a revolver, and a shotgun for me – and I used them for target practice and hunting. Strangely enough, I never used any of them, or their successors, to go on a rampage (for the record, I qualify for the Senior’s discount everywhere now). It isn’t the age of the person that makes a difference, it is their willingness to accept responsibility, and their parent’s willingness to enforce a set of rules – that is what makes the difference.
As to the “arsenal” this kid collected: the number of items is extreme, and I don’t understand why he was allowed to amass them, but don’t lose sight of the fact that these were bb guns – at the most they might be lethal to a sparrow, but to assault a school? I would be concerned about the 9mm pistol, and would insist on an investigation into where this kid got a live grenade, but the rest is just silly. This kid was trying to recruit an army, and planned to equip them with bb guns for an assault on a school – if he had problems before, can you imagine the laughing-stock this would have made him?
Let’s drop the hysteria, wait for all the facts, and overlook that this site feels it appropriate to illustrate this story with a picture of an arsenal that would intimidate Al Capone.

Posted by: Walker Evans | October 11, 2007, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

about the comment of why we should have guns.. Lets see here why should i give up my right to hunt and shoot my weapons safely because some idiots choose to use weapons in a killing manor. I hate when people say we should ban weapons. I grew up around guns i was taught how to use them safely and i enjoy shooting them. More kids die on the streets from gang violence then they do in a class room. The only reason we don’t hear as much outcry of it is because of were it happens. We live in a country were u can get a gun cheap and easy from one source or another. If someone wants a gun they will get it.

Posted by: Andrew | October 11, 2007, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

tj – “because there are thousands and thousands of other stupid parents”
I disagree. The number is actually quite small, it’s just the stupid people make the news far more often.
I do not think banning guns will solve anything, it’s not just a matter of rights, but common sense too. For example, drugs are illegal, but I’ll bet any 13 year old knows where they could get some heroin if they so desired. The black market for guns would profit tremendously, and we’d have a whole new problem.
This kid is disturbed. Killing people is illegal, but that wasn’t going to stop him… what makes you think the gun being illegal, would?

Posted by: Troy Street | October 11, 2007, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Who cares those are “only” air soft guns? What kind of kid has something like that at home?

Posted by: Robert | October 11, 2007, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

I have always had this soft spot in my heart for the nerdy over-weight kids who are obsessed with video games and not socializing. Kids are mean and after awhile it wears you down, we need more outlets for these children to talk to someone about how they feel and have someone help them out because apparently alot of “parents” aren’t doing there damn job.
There are way to many families out there that should have never had children in the first place, so the child doesn’t even have a chance to grow up in a some what normal house hold. When Columbine happened, all I could think of was how horrible they had to feel to do something soooo horribly evil and how awful there families must of felt.
Who let’s there children grow up and be a bully?? If my child ever harassed another kid once because he was fat or nerdy or just different, you better believe that would be the last time. Of course we all are happy that he didn’t go through with his plan but I pray for those children who are different and I pray for the bullies, being a kid isn’t all that easy. Sad

Posted by: Marissa | October 11, 2007, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

The photo is not misleading. Go to cnn and view the DAs press conference and look at all the weapons the child had this photo is a glimpse of all of his weapons. Even if he had one weapon. Who buys a child an assault rifle. He also had several knives and what looks to be a sword. After the events of yesterday, this is quite disturbing and his parents are just as culpable.

Posted by: Maya | October 11, 2007, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

What’s wrong with things today is the fact that we can’t disapline our children without getting Social services called on us. We need to give rights back to parents and not let our kids bullu us into letting them do as they please. Too many children are being killed and parents are being blamed when it should be the damn law makers that took parents right away. Kids know if we disapline them and they don’t agree with the punishment they can call Social Services or the police and the parents get in trouble and the kid gets there way.. We need control back to parents.

Posted by: Christine | October 11, 2007, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

i bet the kid was taking lots of psychotropic drugs like ritalin… these drugs are poison to our youth and do nothing but (temporarily) mask feelings that have been built up in children… we need to change our society from a punitive, punishing, shaming one, into a healing one

Posted by: earthnotflat | October 11, 2007, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

From the reports I read and heard, the kid’s mother had purchased an assault weapon recently. The weapons pictured are air rifles made to look like assault and military weapons. He also had some home-made grenades filled with black powder and BBs. If the mother did buy a kid an assault weapon, she needs to be investigated and obviously the kid has serious issues and needs help.

Posted by: Rick_VT | October 11, 2007, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

ABCNews failed to report either the absence of ammunition for the 9mm or that the so-called grenades were homemade.
It’s good the kid was caught before anyone got hurt but shame on ABCNews for picking which facts to report.

Posted by: Ed | October 11, 2007, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

When we start eliminating the laws that put parents in jail for spanking their children then you will see a better USA…Taking everyones guns is an invitation for terrorist and foriegn countrys to invade our land…We have NEVER been invaded because almost every house has a gun or two. There is NOTHING wrong with spanking children especially in their developmentaly influencial years…THATS WHATS DIFFRENT FROM 33 YEARS AGO!!! Discipline breeds respect…NO discipline breeds TROUBLE.

Posted by: nucsgt | October 11, 2007, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Hmmm Where are the pro gun people now? After seesing ALL the weapons he had, is it asking to much to track guns and maybe put some limits on them!!

Posted by: John | October 11, 2007, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

America is too obsessed with guns. We need a Constitutional convention to amend the second amendment to reflect today’s realities.

Posted by: Ann Mangess | October 11, 2007, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

why am i not surprised at the news covering this story. trying to scare the sheeple of this country with this kids “arsenal” of airsoft bb guns , and for those of you that dont know the bb’s that are fired by these toys are PLASTIC , not metal.
and what kind of parent buys their child a gun? well both of mine did, but i was also taught how to use one safely , if paretns teach their kids, most of these problems will go away, but thanks to the news and the government , people think that all guns are “assult weapons”. people think about this , if i attacked you with a spoon , would that be an “assult spoon weapon”? do we ban spoons next?
and for those of you that one gun is not an assult weapon , it is a HI-Point carbine, it fires a 9mm round, it has a 10 round mag.
and like always hats off to ABC news for misleading the public

Posted by: Rc | October 11, 2007, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

Various quotes:
The boy was only 14, his parents especially his mother who purchased the weapons should be held fully liable. What kind of parent would purchase a semi-automatic for their 14 year old boy as a Christmas present? The boy needs to be psychologically evaluated and released into the foster care system, and paired with caring parents, away from his mother, and the judge should throw the book at the mother for raising her son to be a killer.
Earth to Clueless Mom: your son has been bullied at school, has emotional/psychological problems, and had such a tough time that you pulled him out of school. Might not be the best idea to buy him a freaking assault rifle! What an idiot!

Where in the article does it say that she bought them for HIM?

Posted by: 45flight | October 11, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

John and Ann Mangess: Why would BB guns be tracked? Laws are in place to track real guns. Ann- the 2nd amendment does not cover irresponsible parents, what were you thinking?

Posted by: Kate | October 11, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

My kids are victims of school bullies. One bully went so far asto construct and conceal a ‘shank’. I’ve read most of the comments here and have to agree with those who say, there’s no respect for others. All one has to do is watch how adults drive, behave in stores..in public in general. Adults aren’t shining examples for kids to look up to any more. We’re so engrossed in the ‘me generation’ philosophy that we can’t see what marks we’re making on those observing.

Posted by: Robin Gee | October 11, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

As the aunt of one of the kids in that school today, this is not “hype”. The boy had a REAL gun, knives, a sword, a live grenade and now it is being said that he had REAL guns at an aquaintance’s house. I agree let’s get all the facts but my reality is that my niece was in true danger. For all of you that think this is all HYPE, let someone you love potentially be in harm’s way and you may feel differently.

Posted by: Dawn | October 11, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

since when is spanking discipline… hopefully nugct knows some other ways to discipline… i can think of, oh, about 500 other ways… one last thing… guns suck

Posted by: earthnotflat | October 11, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Irregardless of the weaponry , The boy had a facination with guns and a wish to kill ( comunbine styly ) and was actively recruiting assistance .
This is a seriously disturbed young man and needs intense psychiatric evaluation .
I think it was the best move that law enforcement could do . Remove the kid from the community and take away his chance to ” kill “

Posted by: tobi | October 11, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

You are all missing the point !!! A 14 year old should not be thinking of bringing a gun to school. The bb guns where going to be used with other stuff on them and that the 9mm was and can be used to Kill. This whole thing started because the mother and Dillion where FAT and they where teased all the time. Set the facts straight School and kids don’t go together. Hail to the father and kid who told police. My school will NEVER be the same. Dr. Cotter, THANKS for letting my parents know via Voice mail and Email before the media.

Posted by: Johnny from PW | October 11, 2007, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

I read further up: “what is wrong with our kids today?” The question is what is wrong with this war-loving, gun-loving society that thinks it is the greatest in the world?

Posted by: Bla Bla | October 11, 2007, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

Just a another example of sensationalism. The kid did have a 9mm which was totally unacceptable, but the rest were BB guns.

Posted by: David Hatzog | October 11, 2007, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

Why does the news media try to make news.The young man in this peice needs help true enough but do not lie to make a story.By the letter of the law he did not have an assult weapon so why say it.A 9 mm hipoint carbine only holds 10 rounds so below assult weapons mag capacity.

Posted by: Mike | October 11, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Real guns or BB guns? Draw down on me with a BB gun and see what happens. I will respond/react with a large caliber, very real weapon. The idea of inciting fear with an “almost real gun” doesn’t mitigate the circumstance. You’re dead,

Posted by: Scratch | October 11, 2007, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

I have a lesser arsenal, in my first-person shooters! O_O

Posted by: tony hart | October 11, 2007, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

Touch that Constitution and it will be Revolution. We will never give up our right to arm ourselves.

Posted by: Patriot2007 | October 11, 2007, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Shame on abcnews and especially CNN for portraying that as an “arsenal.” A bunch of BB guns and one gun (which was the mother’s) is NOT an arsenal.

Posted by: rob | October 11, 2007, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

this is stupid you guys are making this up bullying this kid.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2007, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

I am confused about the comments that the picture is not correct. The story says that the items were “…including a 9mm semi-automatic handgun with a laser sight, 30 air-powered weapons…” This make me think that this is only a partial list.
Also why do the local authorities wonder IF charges will be pressed against the parents. What about their role in this all?

Posted by: Mike | October 11, 2007, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

something to look at a lot of media hype..on both sides is not good i would say a lot bb or air soft guns… and two problems a live-hand grenade, the 9mm if this was in the house it could have been his mothers …(last time i checked most likely ok for mom to own. now if the 9mm pistol. was the teenagers we have a problem. the a live-hand grenade a problem in almost all cases …

Posted by: harry | October 11, 2007, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Another case of pilling on by officials being sold wholesale to the public by a media too trifling to object.
Bombs and a pistol, together with a plan is news; legal air guns, without regard to appearance, is not. Perhaps the DA is uncertain he can present a case or win reelection without promoting hysteria. Likewise ABC probably saves a bundle waiting for stories to be feed to them, rather than bothering to edit for journalistic content or question the images set-up for a gullible reporter.
That most of the other networks took the bait as well sure does show how far the press has wandered from the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Posted by: Eli | October 11, 2007, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

The child needs help because he is caught between the media and a hard place. This report is scary, because it operates on fear, not sense. The troubled boy purportedly had a live hand grenade. If that is correct information, a bloody outcome was definitely averted. Hand grenades are “weapons of mass destruction” that are totally illegal, and also very hard to get. I am so mistrustful of this article that I think the boy had two plastic models of grenades and one inert model. If this boy could not even get a 9mm bullet, it is doubtful that he had a real hand grenade.

Posted by: Mike Maus | October 11, 2007, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Pathlo —According to most state laws a BB gun is a real gun and what you think is a BB gun might actually be a .17 rifle which is very deadly. …. While someone just standing there with a gun may be cause for alarm, it may also be perfectly legal and harmless, all depends on the situation. If I feel a threat I would un-holster my own weapon while asking someone to call 911. Attempts should be made to communicate and defuse the situation if possible. If he attempted to aim the weapon at anyone I would be forced to open fire. BB gun, shotgun or crossbow, any threat to innocent life has to be stopped. I carry a modified Glock 30 which is .45 ACP holding 10 rounds of 230 grain hollow points. It will stop just about anything I would run up against.

Posted by: Royce | October 11, 2007, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

I think David (of the 3:29 PM post) is onto something. Is anyone familiar with the Dane-Cook skit “The Creepy Guy at Work?” One of my students introduced me to it, & there’s a grain of truth hidden inside all that hilarity.
All people want the same things: acceptance, acknowledgement love, & respect. The best (& cheapest!) way to prevent school violence is to create an environment where everyone feels as though (s)he has worth.

Posted by: Brandee | October 11, 2007, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

get over yourselves those against guns! If i buy a gun for my sons it is my right!!! BUT I know that my young men are responsible Young men! they have owned guns since they were in the young teens! They were taught as I was to respect what they can do! These Young men were well adjusted and popular in school — How ever if a parent had missed the signals ( and these should have been obvious Home schooled and bullied) The she should be held accountable! The media loves to feed this stuff to the do gooders that sooner or later are going to come across something that they wish they had a weapon!Even if it is a moment of extreme fear! I will never ever give up my right to keep and bare arms!

Posted by: Roxanne | October 11, 2007, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

To look at the picture of all of the weapons this kid had, his copy of the Anarchists cookbook, and the homemade bombs reported in the local news, I can only imagine how bad it would’ve been if he’d been able to carry this out.
And by the way, Who in the hell buys a 14 year old kid a gun?

Posted by: newzjunky | October 11, 2007, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

I am livid at some of the less sensitive comments here. This picture IS REAL. That was his ARSENAL. He had hand grenades, that were also real and one was WORKING, he had a dangerous 9mm semi-automatic weapon in HIS possession (not his mom’s possession even though she purchased it), and even a well-placed BB can be deadly. He had books and movies about weapons, Hitler, and Columbine. This is not about the constitutionality of having guns. This is not about how this boy was a victim. Yes, he used to be a victim of bullying, but he is now a cold-blooded criminal and I have no sympathy for him.

Posted by: Koal | October 11, 2007, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

what a country, 14 yr old…very sad

Posted by: Godson Obi | October 11, 2007, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

The problem isn’t guns. The problem is people/parents who instill no morals, ethics or responsibility in their children. In the late 60′s and early 70′s, I recall classmates bringing guns to high school in their vehicles for the purpose of hunting after class. No one was ever threatened and no one was ever in danger.
This country will not be destroyed from the outside. The real threat lies within due to a lack of personal responsibility instilled in children by parents who always think someone else is at fault for their child’s actions.

Posted by: Bill | October 11, 2007, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Basically it all boils down to this, Our Society, needs real help. We are loosing it. and we are also loosing the innocence, in our kids. ALSO remember guns DO NOT KILL, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, we must control ourselves not add more gun control. The guns are the also the victims of todays society, we need a psychological examination of our selves and our society. Now, Today before it is too late.

Posted by: Adeeb N | October 11, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Hey rob J i guess you don’t know what its like because, wait you don’t go to the school, unlike me. Yea the kid had a lot of BB guns but he had 2 9mm and a high powered assault rifle. Could you go into the school with that to shoot up students, including me? Yea I think thats enough

Posted by: BrandonB | October 11, 2007, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

You can tell who really read the article and who didn’t. The one true gun was the pistol, which apparently was the mother’s, and the hand grenades were illegal by the laws of any state. Even most so-called ‘gun nuts’ don’t want to see hand grenades made legal. ‘Air-powered weapons?” Give me a break. What was he going to do, give his tormentors some nasty welts? That picture was designed to inflame, but I expect nothing else from the MSM. That being said, you gotta wonder what the mother was thinking…

Posted by: Chris | October 11, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

By the way…Good post Eli, but I’ll take it one step further…I think ABC news fans the anti-gun flames not because they are too lazy to check facts…they do it because it promotes the anti-2nd amendment agenda of the MSM

Posted by: Chris | October 11, 2007, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

First off, while they are bb guns, they shoot PLASTIC bb’s(airsoft guns). From what I can tell after seeing the picture, these are cheap, spring powered, airsoft guns. They look real, because the kid probably took the orange tips off the guns. (which is illegal) However, it is never ok to buy any FFL required weapon to anyone under 18. Lastly, if you do have a firearm in your house, just lock it up.

Posted by: Nathan | October 11, 2007, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

A live grenade is a bit a concerning for a 14 year old as well. Not your average toy.

Posted by: Bill | October 11, 2007, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

the guns aren’t real?????? are you kidding me??

Posted by: at | October 11, 2007, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

Do not ban guns or forbid discipline!
DO HOLD PEOPLE FULLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS! Shame is NOT cruel or unusual punishment when used appropriately and may actually save someone from doing something regrettable.
And yes, a 10 foot bullwhip applied to a drunken driver’s posterior after his 2nd DUI conviction WILL get his full and undivided attention!

Posted by: Richard | October 11, 2007, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Ditto to Patriot2007

Posted by: JP | October 11, 2007, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Strangely you never hear of Columbine style shootings in countries like GB, Japan, France, Canada that ban guns. Hmm……

Posted by: JT | October 12, 2007, 12:04 am 12:04 am

i”m from wisconsin, but in china at the moment, i cant even believe what i’m reading from the posters.
so i guess its ok that a “mom” bought a child a 9 mm gun?? get real, my stepson at the age of 15 took gun safety classes in order to go deer hunting w/ his stepfather. does that mean we shoulve gone out and bought him a rifle or hunting gun. i think not, thank god this was stopped before a trgedy occurred. i’m appalled by what i’m reading

Posted by: stef | October 12, 2007, 12:06 am 12:06 am

WHEN did a 9mm stop being a real gun,
i cannot even understand why everyone is so up in arms about the picture of the arsenal, a child w/ a 9mm is not really a great idea

Posted by: stef | October 12, 2007, 12:12 am 12:12 am

i’m kinda shocked at the person that said get real, theres only ONEgun in the picture. ONE gun is obviously more then a disturbed child needs.
i’m not saying noone has the right to own a gun, but use some sense people.

Posted by: stef | October 12, 2007, 12:55 am 12:55 am

I was very pleased to hear just now that the mother will be charged.

Posted by: Kim | October 12, 2007, 1:09 am 1:09 am

Ok, the fact that the kid did have access to a firearm and was building hand grenades is definitely cause for concern.
But give me a break with the pictures and the sensationalist headlines! My first thought when I saw the picture was shear amazement. I hadn’t seen that many AK-47s since pics of captured weapons caches in Iraq.
But what a shameless attempt to sell the story by emphasizing the huge number of “weapons” found. Though I have to admit that the kid had an impressive amount (30?) of airsoft-type guns, I’d hardly classify them as weapons, let alone arrange them for the media like some huge arms seizure. Airsoft guns are low-powered pellet guns that fire a plastic ball. You can buy them for under $20 at most sporting goods stores. People play (and even compete) with airsoft just like people play paintball.
We live in a sad world where kids shoot other kids at school, but give me a break ABC, have a little integrity in reporting the difference between toys and the real thing.

Posted by: d | October 12, 2007, 1:33 am 1:33 am

First question: I wonder how many federal, state and local gun laws were broken here? You think adding a few more gun laws to the books will help one iota?
Second question: Since most members of the press use the term “automatic” when they actually mean “semi-automatic” when discussing guns, why should anyone be suprised ABC, CNN, etc slanted their “news” coverage (aka news commentary) in a deceitful manner?

Posted by: Bob | October 12, 2007, 1:57 am 1:57 am

THE PHOTO IS NOT THE PROBLEM HERE, THE PROBLEM IS A 14 YEAR OLD BOY WITH WEAPONS, OF ANY KIND, AND THE FACT THAT THE MOTHER BOUGHT THEM, KNOWING HER SON WAS MENTALLY UNSTABLE. MY OWN 14 YEAR OLD WAS SHOT WITH A BB-GUN, IN THE BACK, JUST A WEEK AGO, BY A CLASSMATE THAT HE KNEW. WHAT IF HE HAD HAD A 9MM THAT HIS MOM HAD BOUGHT HIM, MY SON WOULD BE DEAD!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE, A GOOD OLD FASHIONED SPANKING NEVER HURT ANY OF US, AND I MEAN A SPANKING, NOT A BEATING.A SWAT ON THE HAND OR A PLEASE DON’T DO THAT AGAIN, WILL NOT DO THE TRICK. TALKING TO YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT WHY WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG AND SHOWING THEM LOVE AND CARING. OH, AND DON’T FORGET ‘PRAYING FOR THEM AND FOR GUIDANCE FOR US AS PARENTS’!!!!!!!!! I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE HAVE GUNS FOR HUNTING AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THOSE WHO USE THEM CORRECTLY. HOWEVER I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST BULLIES, IF ANY OF US IS PERFECT, WHICH WE ARE NOT, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE THE RIGHT TO LOOK DOWN ON OTHERS, HOWEVER WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND WE SHOULD RESPECT EACH OTHERS DIFFERENCES, WITHOUT EXPECTING EACH OTHER TO LOWER THEIR MORAL STANDARDS. WE ARE ABLE TO LOVE EACH OTHER WITHOUT LOVING EVERYTHING ABOUT EACH OTHER. DO ANY OF YOU LOVE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR SPOUSE, CHILDREN, OR PARENTS? YOU STILL LOVE THEM, DON’T YOU? YOU DON’T LAUGH AT THEM OR MAKE FUN OF THEM, DO YOU? WE NEED TO STOP LOOKING OUT FOR NUMBER ONE AND START LOOKING OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

Posted by: TJ | October 12, 2007, 3:10 am 3:10 am

Air guns ARE dangerous. Some are capable of killing game the size of a deer. There have been serious injuries and even deaths related to air guns. So to the ones that say, “those aren’t real guns.” Educate yourself and don’t minimize their effect. The kid did have real weapons. The 9m was NOT his mother’s. She bought that gun for her son. He also had other types of dangerous paraphenalia. Granted he didn’t have ammo but who’s to say he wasn’t planning on getting some in the next few days. He was still in the recruiting and planning stage. This kid is clearly unstable and has serious issues. Some of you are downplaying the fact that he had a significant number of weapons (air or not) this is NOT normal for a 14 yr old. I’m sure that you would have a totally different reaction had this kid carried out his plans at YOUR child’s school. Since this kid had this kind of arsenal then he could’ve gotten his hands on many other weapons. So don’t blame ABC for mass hysteria for your desensitized reaction to a VERY serious situation. We would be having a totally different discussion about this had this kid not been caught and was able to carry out his plan. I for one am glad that this kid was stopped.

Posted by: TamSam | October 12, 2007, 3:30 am 3:30 am

Ok, Wether or not these guns were real,Just the idea that he was thinking about it makes me shudder. When did killing become the answer to everything? This world has gone crazy, we don’t need a war here or a disaster that could wipe us out. We are doing a fine job of that ourselves.Everyone has become immuned to the violence in this world. WAKE UP PEOPLE! What kind of world are we creating here?

Posted by: Cindy | October 12, 2007, 5:38 am 5:38 am

we as a nation are well and truly fornicated, when parental discipline is overthrown by childless experts in child rearing.
this nation was founded on the folks who were proficient in firearms use from an early age, and the snivelitic ” ohhh, guns are evil, who needs guns when we have such a benevolent government ” sheople have put it out of mind that other folks who acquired proficiency have dedicated their time, health, and often, their lives in the military to defend such snivelers right to snivel………..
the kid was bullied, the bullies parents are clueless, the kid arrested has clueless parents, the school is clueless, and the only folks with a clue are the computer-chair analysts who merely mouth the pablum drip fed by a ” sound bite ” oriented media package..

Posted by: jim e | October 12, 2007, 6:07 am 6:07 am

And in lieu of real catastrophe, we can always rely on “media apin”.

Posted by: Doug | October 12, 2007, 7:13 am 7:13 am

I AM TIRED OF THE NEWS MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THEY DON’T KNOW ABOUT.
SOMEONE SHOULD SHOW THEM AT A RIFLE RANGE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ASSAULT RIFLE FULL AUTO WITH A 30 ROUND MAG AND A HI POINT 9MM SEMI AUTO WITH AN 8 ROUND MAG.
I THINK THE PARENTS SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE WARNING SIGNS UNLESS THERE BLIND OR STUPID FOR BUYING THE ALL OF THE AIR GUNS AND THE 9MM RIFLE BECAUSE YOU GOT TO BE 16 OR 18 TO BUY A BB/PELLET GUN AND 16 FOR A AIR SOFT GUN AND 21 FOR THE RIFLE SO I THINK THE PARENTS SHOULD TAKE MOST OF THE BLAME. HE ONLY GOT CAUGHT WITH THESE ITEMS AND NO ONE GOT HEART SO I THINK THEY ALL NEED A LOT OF COUNSELING INSTEAD OF JAIL TIME.

Posted by: L.E.M. | October 12, 2007, 7:21 am 7:21 am

Will the NRA wait until this young victim of anti-gun hysteria and newly minted culture hero turns older to give him an award or fete him immediately? C’mon, NRA, do your God-given duty now!

Posted by: megisi | October 12, 2007, 7:24 am 7:24 am

Our daughter was bullied at school and we were told it was her own fault because she was “too smart” for the rest of the class. She is now 14, we still homeschool her and we would never consider buying her an assualt rifle, 9mm handgun or allowing her to make grenades. The fact that this mother did shows how ridiculous the parenting skills are in this house.

Posted by: Bonnie | October 12, 2007, 7:25 am 7:25 am

I am a gun owner who believes in personal responsibility. In this case the mother bought a gun for a minor who was not of legal age. She should suffer the full consequences of the law and go to jail for a long long time.

Posted by: Chip | October 12, 2007, 7:27 am 7:27 am

HAY ROBERTJ.
MY FATHER GAVE ME MY FIRST BB GUN WHEN I WAS 8 AND MY FIRST .22 SEMI AUTO RIFLE WHEN I WAS 12 AND MY FIRST 410/.22 MAGNUM OVER AND UNDER SHOTGUN WHEN I WAS 14 AND WHEN I WAS 16 HE WOULD LET ME USE HIS M1 GRAND FROM WW2 TO GO DEER HUNTING SO DID THIS MAKE HIM A BAD FATHER? “NO” IT DID NOT BECAUSE HE ALSO TAUGHT ME GUN CONTROL, HOW TO SHOOT, WHEN NOT TO SHOOT, AND GUN SAFETY.
AS-LONG AS THE CHILD HAS ADULT SUPERVISION I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT BUT THIS CHILD HAD NO SUPERVISION AND THAT IS HIS MAIN PROBLEM HIS PARENTS.

Posted by: L.E.M. | October 12, 2007, 7:51 am 7:51 am

Let us all please commend the child and parent who turned this child into authorities. Finally someone was paying attention to all the red flags that were there. As a parent of a student from VA Tech, I am breathing a sigh of relief this morning knowing finally people are starting to pay attention to this desperate child cries for HELP!!

Posted by: Jeane | October 12, 2007, 8:04 am 8:04 am

I MUST MAKE A CORRECTION THE HI POINT 995 9MM CARBINE RIFLE HAS A 10 ROUND MAG NOT A 8 ROUND.

Posted by: L.E.M. | October 12, 2007, 8:17 am 8:17 am

Just another example of why many people should not have children.
The reason for all these misfits in our society, is quite simple……the parents.
If the parents don’t provide the love and guidance, as well as discipline and training, then the child can’t be expected to become a decent citizen.
There is a child in my wife’s distant family, that absolutely has no hope, as his parents are worthless criminals. We have disowned them , but the child will still grow up to be a total misfit in society, just the same.
The world has to STOP glorifying babies.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | October 12, 2007, 10:29 am 10:29 am

If the government hadn’t taken the Bible, prayer, and discipline this would not be a problem. Family’s need to have discipline in their homes and not let the kids run over top of them.

Posted by: Tammy Blankenship | October 12, 2007, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

1st question, are those “real” guns? Answer is yes. They are a device or tool that shoots a projectile under pressure. As does a staple gun, a paint gun, or a squirt gun.
2nd question, aren’t those guns dangerous? Answer – The 9mm carbine (which isn’t a handgun like the article suggests) could be a dangerous if SOMEONE makes it so. By itself laying on a table it isn’t any more dangerous than a hammer or a glass of water. Without any bullets, this gun is more dangerous as a club than as a gun. The rest of the “arsenal” was plastic low-power airsoft BB gun toys. These aren’t the BB guns you might remember from your youth. These barely shoot a soft plastic BB (not hard metal BBs or pellets) across the room. They aren’t high powered air rifles (which CAN be dangerous if SOMEONE uses it in that way). These are spring loaded toys much like the suction cup dart gun toys from the 70′s.
3rd question is shouldn’t gun shows be illegal since that’s where the 9mm came from? Answer is no. A gun show is no different than going to a sporting goods store to buy a gun. You still have to fill out the same legal paperwork and background checks. The only advantage to someone shopping at a gun show is the prices tend to be cheaper because of competition between selling dealers.
What DOES concern me is this kid was making bombs out of explosive black powder and fireworks fuses. The live “hand grenade” he had was one he made.
I feel safe in saying that NO ONE would have wanted this kid to have done anything tragic. Kudos to the friend who alerted the authorities of this kid’s schemes. Kudos to the authorities for stepping in and stopping the planning from continuing. I hope the boy gets the help he needs.
Shame on all the news agencies for misleading people into thinking this kid had accumulated $200,000 worth of illegal assault weapons that are extremely rare. That photo is excessively misleading. Shame on the school for allowing the bullying of the kid in the first place. Shame on some of you blog posters for politicising this story. It isn’t about guns. Stop being ignorant. Blaming guns is just an easy way of ignoring the real problem. Dig deeper and ask why this kid wanted to do something violent. That is the real issue that needs to be solved.

Posted by: NRA member | October 12, 2007, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

“Who cares those are “only” air soft guns? What kind of kid has something like that at home?”
Plenty. It’s a legitimate sport/outdoor activity with a following just as large as paintball.

Posted by: WK | October 12, 2007, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

What a load of crap. He had load of airsoft guns and the stupid media wanted us to believe he had thousands of dollars worth of AK-47′s. Those things don’t do anything else but leave a welt. And here is actually an example where the law was working. He had no ammo for the real guns because he was under age and therefore could not purchase any. Look at the rest of the posts too. Most of us do believe in the right to bear arms and that is a good thing. Every time I see a media story like this it rubs me the wrong way because it is meant as an attack on our constitutional, god given right. But fortunately it is not a good picture of how the general population feels. Its just liberal hype. And yes, that Mom needed to take far more responsibility, and that kid needed help.

Posted by: R. Creek | October 12, 2007, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

Many of you have apparently bought into the media hype that guns are the problem You seem very concerned about the guns, even the ones that fire plastic balls and pay little attention to the fact that he was making bombs. Bombs do a little more than go boom. I am more concerned about intent. If you want to kill, you can always find a way.
I faced bullies in school too. Mostly from football player types so it was allowed. While violence is not the best answer, learning to fight worked very well. I found that foot ball players aren’t very tough when they’re alone. Many are even nice guys alone. The gang mentality changes that. When the leader of the bunch ends up with a thorough beating, more than just a bloody nose, it’s usually over.
I had, and still have, several guns. I never even considered shooting one of them.
The problem is that parents don’t seem to teach children how to take a few hard knocks or instill in them the courage to take everyday life. In this world you will get the exact amount of bull you are willing to put up with, no more, no less. If he had fought back as soon as the garbage started, it would have stopped before it got our of hand.
A boy usually needs a man to teach him how to be one. Daddy wasn’t part of the boy’s life and it seems there was no uncle or grandfather to fill in.
Men of the world, stand up and be men. Spend time with your sons, daughters, nieces, nephews and grandchildren. The guys at the corner bar won’t miss you, you can miss a game or two and you can take your kids hunting and fishing. If your buddies don’t like for you to bring the kid you might want to find some new buddies. Real men raise their kids. Boys ignore them.

Posted by: Royce | October 13, 2007, 5:30 am 5:30 am

Home Land Security, FBI, Police. No. A mouth as always. Why, because of bullies in schools. There should be such a punishment so bad it would cease. Thease type of kids belong in a cage early instead of when they grow up.

Posted by: drwfll | October 15, 2007, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

“There is no sane argument that says why people need to own guns.” That is an amazingly ignorant thing to say. There are MANY good reasons to own a gun. First and formost, guns allow people to defend themselves and their loved. Home invasions happen. Car jackings, muggings and robberies happen. Submission is not guaranty of survival. Anyone who assumes good intent on the part of someone pointing a gun at them is a moron.
Civilian gun ownership is also a big deterent to the development of tyrany. I’m sure the 120 million people who were murdered by their own governments during the 20th Century would tell you that putting all of the power in the hands of the government is a very bad idea.

Posted by: SCurtis | October 15, 2007, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

You can’t call yourself an American and seriously state we need to eliminate the 2nd amenment. that is just sick and TOTALY UNAMERICAN. I just don’t get it,I know This I am committed to my Constitution and I will never permit and modification to it.. you are falling into the hands that the gov. wants you to fall into. such statments are statments of , treason.

Posted by: Adeeb N | October 16, 2007, 1:19 am 1:19 am

The controversy over gun control only serves to blur focus of the real problem. Americans have always had guns. Americans have always had alcohol, drugs, under-education, and poverty. So what has changed to cause an increased crime rate? The only thing I can identify is the increased normality of single parent homes. Many women today have children with several men and men with several women without regard to the welfare of those children. I am not passing morality judgement I am only pointing out that most of today’s violent criminals come from a single parent home with the father no where to be found. … Americans increasingly look for legislated solutions for our problems, sometimes it isn’t that simple. Sometimes it is society that needs to change.

Posted by: Royce | October 16, 2007, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

I will take it a step further and say that double-income families are another component of the problem. We are working on the second generation of kids raised by day care and the school system. Instead of getting their values from the home environment, they are getting their values from their peers and from the schools. Personally, I am not comfortable with either. If you are going to have children, one parent should stay home at least until the kids are all in school.

Posted by: SCurtis | October 16, 2007, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

SCutis …Are you trying to say that the children are more important than the Lexus? … Not in today’s America.

Posted by: Royce | October 16, 2007, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

I dont think anybody gets the real picture.This is ONE news story on CNN.
Yall may not know it but theirs juveniles evry day gettin convicted for violent crimes. I guess you can say this is good since it was stopped,BUT
realize it was a LUCKY ONE. He started solo & recruited members. Guaranteed if he was in a gang his plot wouldve been successful long before anybody “overheard anything suspicious.” Gang members have “nothin to lose feelin” and are always ready for war. Most of todays youth have resort to gangs for backup & protection. Its
all a game off back & forth exchange until flashy colors surround you then your whole sight goes black.

Posted by: Young Brazy | November 17, 2007, 2:50 am 2:50 am

I just attempted to read most of the commments left on this site and all I can say is wow.
Mostly everyone who posted is so stubborn and set in their ways that they are willing to spend their time fighting on a comment wall. I recently graduated from Plymouth Whitemarsh and all I have to say is that many of the people who posted are clearly not well educated. People are making up their own statistics, misspelling words, and making false claims about why it is smart or stupid to allow minors to have guns and what the outcome of this particular family should be.
Yes, I agree that there is clearly something wrong with society today that something such as this should occur, but is this any way to help solve the problem?
Yeah, didn’t think so.
So instead of arguing with one another, why don’t you go and get an education? Learn something that may actually help the situation instead of sitting here posting about whether you had a gun or love Hitler or think bullies are bad.

Posted by: Anita | November 28, 2007, 11:51 am 11:51 am

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