Evangelist Video Shot at Air Force Academy Exposed

bush wasn’t lying when he originally called this ‘war on terrorism’ a crusade… wake up america, facism approaches rapidly… also, ron paul was correct in saying ‘facism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross’… can’t get much closer than this!

Part of the problem is location. What with Dobson and Haggard’s mega-churches right in their backyard, this whole area (Colorado Springs) has become a mecca (no pun intended) for the religiously intolerant. Discrimination against non-Christians at the Air Force Academy was exposed years ago and apparently nothing was done. Can’t wait for the inevitable cries of persecution against Christians if/when they are forced to stop spending our tax dollars to promote their particular brand of religion. Breaking the law and stealing tax money. Christ would be so proud!

We need fewer christians and a few more lions.

Over the Thanksgiving holiday, I found out that a cousin of mine who attended and graduated from the Air Force Academy cheated on a final exam….Must of workout because he retired a LTC and is an airline pilot for SouthWest Airlines.

Muhammed didn’t fly off to heaven on a winged horse to receive some holy words from Allah. Horses don’t fly. Your deceased father did not come back as a cow. Cows are not holy. The pope is not infallible. He’s a human being just like the rest of us. Mary is not appearing on tree stumps. Mary is dead. Deal with it. The Jewish people are not god’s chosen people. We are all equal. Blowing yourself up and taking “as many infidels with you as you can” is not a good thing. It won’t get you 72 virgins. It will get you dead. God did not find it necessary to impregnate his own mother so that he might be born in order to appease another creature he made – satan – who got kicked out of heaven for being a bad boy and, out of the immensity of space just happened to land on this tiny speck of a planet – earth. All of this so that god might be able to forgive Eve for the eating of an apple. America wasn’t founded on Christianity (Treaty of Tripoli) – that’s why there’s this little clause separating church and state. If one wants to argue that America WAS founded on Christianity, so was slavery. If Huckabee actually believes the Bible – which he certainly claims he does – he doesn’t belong in the White House anymore than if he swore allegiance to the Koran. He belongs in the room next to Bush in the lunatic asylum which is down the hall from Osama Bin Laden’s drool room. Doesn’t it strike you as a bit odd that the gods of every world religion “just happen” to be of the same nationality as the authors of those books? Many if not most of the world’s biggest persecutions and wars have had their roots in religion. The Middle East is a prime example. If you wanna believe, believe. Let’s just keep religion out of politics as the Constitution states and intended. As a non – believer in any of the books that claim to represent God, I would strongly suggest that we post the 10 Commandments in EVERY public building, library, school, bus stop…you name it. AS LONG as we include the punishment for disobeying ANY of them. “Death by stoning.” Bush said that he obeyed his “heavenly father” in his decision to invade Iraq. ’nuff said.

I don’t know where Ed was in the service at, but this didn’t happen when I was in. Yes, we too had the opportunity to choose to go to Sunday services in boot camp – and if we didn’t we had FREE TIME to rest, write letters, sleep in, whatever else we wanted to do. Sunday during that time was the only day of the week when we got free time for the first 8 weeks. It was very tempting to not go to services; some Sunday’s I did stay at the barracks and sleep in or goof off because I was just too tired.

Separation of church and state? Riiiiight. That may have been part of our nations foundation but such things mean nothing to the current administration of Religious extremists. Vote for the De-BUSH-ification of the United States!

All this Christian bashing has been a long time coming, and has been predicted. A big “thanks” and a “tip of the hat” to all of the world’s pretend Christians who have made all of this possible. And to the media, who are having a good laugh, while making a fortune from selling hate. This story is just another example of what evil people will do in the name of Christ. The Air Force Academy has been exposed, and it is right to do so. Still I have to wonder…is this the full story or just selected cherry picked information.

Kuddos for Scot Blum!! Remember, the 1st Ammendment only bars the Congress from making a law respecting the establisment of religion or barring it’s free exercise. This has not been violated.
For a 1st Amm violation the US congress has to give a bill to the president for him to sign (that’s how Congress makes a law, remember).
There is no “seperation of church and state” mentioned in any of our founding documents! This is all to often referenced as being such, but it is a lie.
I’m so glad to hear that Christianity is held in high honor in our military, God help us if the opposite is ever true.
BTW, facism is best run by aitheism, it is not Christian in nature at all. Sinclair Lewis (who Ron Paul had much glee in quoting) was mistaken.

Oh good grief, people! Get a life! I’ve been around the military almost all my life and in fact still work on an Air Force base. You have no idea what you’re yapping about.
1. “Religious indoctrination;” absurd! There is NONE!
2. “Attend church or participate in some undesirable activity;” absurd! There isn’t much during boot camp that’s NOT undesirable. Sunday mornings usually contain “personal time” when one may attend chapel services or nothing.
3. “Thanksgiving ceremonies (attendance mandatory);” absurd! At my base about 12 people attended the one voluntary, brief, open-chapel, non-denominational reflection time.
4. “Religion is just as invasive;” “Natural” would be a better word than “invasive.” Just as the United States Constitution guarantees, our Armed Forces permit religion but do not establish it. Individually, members are free to believe or not believe, and to express their faith or lack of faith.
No wonder God says in the Bible, “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no god.’”

I don’t know who Scot Blum is… a cadet at USAFA? A USAF Officer? Civilian instructor? Who is Scot Blum??? Personally, as a graduate of one of our Nation’s Service Academies, I can tell you that ONE MAN DOES NOT SPEAK for the entire organization. There are 4000 (+) cadets at each of three major service academies. We are all not religious “missionaries” upon graduation. My dogtags say “No Preference” and that is my choice. If I wanted it to say “None” or “Agnostic”… I could without fear of reprisal. This story is getting way overblown! Don’t focus on USAFA… focus on the Scot Blum and find out who he is and what he stands for. I guarantee you… he doesn’t speak for all 4000 (+) cadets!

I PRAYED TO GOD… for one thing… to keep these religious extemists evangelicals in church and out of office… & He told me he’s also sick of them using his good name for their own self serving agenda!

This is totally disgusting. I’m stuck in Colorado taking care of an aging parent, and have to deal with the Taliban in my own backyard.

Religion: Created BY fools FOR fools.

It is God’s special grace that these fine young men and women are having the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many countries wouldn’t come close to this freedom. My hat is off to Campus Crusade for Christ and the USAF Academy!

Jewish Chaplains can pray in Hebrew. Muslim chaplains are allowed to do their thing. But Christian chaplains are not allowed to pray in Jesus name. I wonder when ABC will report on this? Some of you that are so afraid of God being mentioned should look at the last paragraph of the Constitution. Funny how the last paragraph of the constitution says “…Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven .” Don’t tell me thats just how they talked back then. If the Founders wanted such a complete removal of all references to God in public life they would have followed the French model. The Founders did not want another “Church of England” or another “Holy roman Empire”, but they had no intention of silencing all public discussion of faith or for Public employees to be gagged.

The only thing exposed here is stupidity. The stupidity of those who made the video for doing it in a way that implied government involvement. The stupidity of those who are outraged by the implied violation of church and state, the stupidity of the journalist who thought to make this an issue, and the stupidity of people like me thinking that I can talk any since into any of you.

I concur with the comment above vectoring the people to focus on the creepy dude with the tucked-in, buttoned down shirt preying on the vulnerable cadets. What makes you think that he’s even succeeding in his mission of making graduating officers into government paid missionaries? As a grad (2003), I actually recognized a face in the video and I can tell you all that the one guy I vaguely remembered from school is possibly one of the least charismatic people I’ve ever met and couldn’t convert anyone if his life depended on it. I honestly chuckled when I watched the video because of the reaction on the web. It’s true they used Academy images, but they filmed from public access areas, so no harm there. The only thing that bothers me a little bit is how the cadets who were interviewed wore their Academy uniforms–that, I admit, is borderline shady, but the rest is pretty harmless.

“The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.~”George Washington…..”Organized Christianity has probably done more to retard the ideals that were its founder’s than any other agency in the world.” -Richard Le Gallienne…..”The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” ~ James Madison, 4Th US President…..I hold that in this country there must be complete severance of Church and State.~Theodore Roosevelt

Believer’s – coverts – devotees are all the same. Maybe you should get to know the real enemy better. Don´t be normal!
Or are you just part of a culture.

AB? Mr. Baker? Let me explain this so that even YOU can understand: You’re not being deprived of your religious freedom just because you’re not permitted to endlessly proselytize on the public dime. This is America, and members of other faiths are not required to subsidize your missionary efforts out of their taxes–in any way, shape or form.
And while we’re on it, if you run around insisting that ANY public policy be based on your particular religious beliefs, it’s reasonable for everyone else to analyze the validity of those beliefs, and to point out, in as much detail as they wish, why they might consider your beliefs to be the stupidest thing they’ve ever heard. If you’ve insisted on placing your religion in the public arena, you don’t get to clutch at your pearls and whine “how dare you question my faith” when it turns out to be different than preaching to the choir.

The line isn’t crossed when Christians preach. The line is crossed when those to whom they preach are forced to listen. Christians are encouraged to ‘spread the word’ (Despite admonishments in Thessalonian’s and 1 Peter to mind their own business and not be busybodies). This I don’t mind in and of itself. But what I mind is when the arena in which they ‘spread the word’ is one in which the audience is not allowed (by mandate or peer pressure) to say, “Shut the hell up. I have my own faith. I don’t want to hear about yours.” Christians – especially radical ones who think theirs is the ONLY way to connect to the All – tend to get bent out of shape when people want to tell them to go away, failing to realize that their intrusions into another’s faith are as welcome as an evangelical Muslim trying to convert THEM. If a person is sincerely interested in the Christian way, fine, talk to them about it IF they ask first. But do NOT come knocking on my door in the naive and arrogant belief that my faith is in any way wrong, weaker or inferior to yours. I think your God would rather have sincere converts than coerced slaves, anyhow. And if you live by the notion of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you (A deeply flaw philosophy on so many levels), then imagine someone doing unto you what you do unto others when you try to force your religion – no matter how slightly applied or how well intentioned – on them in ANY way without their prior expressed interest in it. The world would be much better off if people kept their religion to themselves unless someone asks first.

Wow…will wonders never cease? So much for seperation of church and state. That illusion grows fainter each and every year. Thanks for this article…maybe it will wake some people up to the fact that this government is turning this war on terrorism into the 4th Crusade. Looks like those religious coffers are deep and more then willing to support a government that will kick back to them. Its scary that religion can act like any other special interest group. God help us all.

This is discusting – anyone, I mean anyone who is still in the service who had anything to do with prothletizing at the Air Academy should be dishonorably discharged – we can not allow white Christian inspired supremacy to take over our country – we need a counter revolution NOW!!!!

So many comments bringing up Separation of church and state arguments…If America truly believed in Separation of Church and State, then we would not care what religion our president is or what “sins” they’ve committed in the eyes of whatever religion. i.e. Rudy’s failed marriages, Romney being Mormon, etc.

Religion is the root of most all evil in the world, always has been. It breeds hate and prejudice from it’s very nature. You see religious zealots always speak in “absolutes”, no respect for any other opinion. If you don’t believe EXACTLY what they believe it’s the work of Satan.
I dream of a world without the hate of religion

I hope no one has forgotten that just a few years ago, ultra-right wing fundamentalist Christian cadets were found to be harassing cadets who didn’t fall into line and accept their beliefs. They did this with the USAFA administrations full knowledge. The USAF promised to eliminate the descrimination and end outside religious groups influence at the USAFA. It appears we were lied to. (again)

I just don’t get it. Why do we have chaplains in the military? If we get rid of these positions then the military which is funded completely by the government is completely free of religion. The military’s goal is to protect the nation not god, who does not need protection anyways.

This country is on a down hill path, just look at history,
and you can see that religious zealots have caused more havic, and deaths than any other reason.
When is america going to grow up?, we would do well to
immulate european thinking on these kinds of issues, and
impeaching Bush, and Cheney would be a good start In getting us back to the 21 century.

One overlooked factoid: “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” Psalm 9:17
Either receive God’s judgment, in which He gives us over to drugs, murder, unbelief, hatred, sexual immorality, and everything else that falls short of loving our neighbor as ourselves – or, receive His blessing by loving Him and everyone else. Pretty simple math to me.

In my eyes, anyone that signs up for that evil will be forever more referred to as a “Scum Sucking Religious #####”. But then, aren’t they all?

You must be kidding? This was worth reporting?
Wow, I guess its a slow day for the 99% of so-called reporters (folks who are suppose to report facts). I would suggest the person who wasted our time with an attempt to disparage people who believe in a creator, is the real nuisance here.

No matter what the religion, it has no place in any military academy training. These young people are of an age where any religious affiliation they might have has already been presented to them. Our military personnel shouldn’t be religious missionaries on behalf of ANY religious dogma. Military personnel are in place to protect and defend. That’s it. If they’re in a place that has religious beliefs contrary to their own, as US citizens they know by now that religious freedom is part of what they’re in place to defend. We are not supposed to be training a bunch of zealots out to convert those with whom they come in contact to Christianity in any form.

The only scary thing is the absolute paranoia from the irreligious left. E.g., Who are the real hate-mongers? Last time I checked, no one in the organized Christian right is calling for the killing of “un-believers” in America. NO ONE. Get a grip out there. Breathe deep, you’re hyperventilating.

just because you’re spineless enough to “Tolerate” christianity just cause your wife makes you doesn’t mean we all feel the same way. You’re just as bad as the German who went to the socialist worker parties rallies just cause his wife made him. Do you actually believe any of that crap?
Athiests have no religion. Thats what being an athiest is, its about living in reality, where lightning isn’t thrown by god and thunder isn’t the angels bowling in heaven. Reality, where science explains(Rationally) why things happen.
And yes, we want freedom from religion as if it is some kind is second hand spiritual smoke. Because those of us who aren’t indoctrinated into your mystical tribe don’t really care to hear about how Jesus is the one truth and salvation lies in god and whatever else you want to tell me. We don’t believe in it and it actually brings me down to think that Human beings, with brains nearly as developed as mine actually believe that crap.
Go ahead and waste your life seeking false salvation from sins you never even committed, just leave us out of it.

Dave…obviously you’ve never actually looked into what your talking about. There are plenty of Christians on the right that call for death of non believers. Do a google search on American taliban, and I don’t mean the John Walker Lind story.
Really you claim is proposterous, I Guess Jerry Falwal never really existed did he?

i have served in the military for 6 years and the military respects all religions and supplies what ever that is needed. i suspect you have no military experience. you are talking out of your lower regions!

Substitute ANY other religion into this story and I can imagine the screaming from those taking up for it. Add this to all of the other stories I’ve read where they’re “pushing it.”

It’s all well and good for Christians to say that indoctrination is not taking place. .. it’s hard to see it when you are part of the majority group (even if passively) . Ask someone who is of a minority religion if it is going on, if you want the true measure.

Note that this video was made by Campus Crusade for Christ–to be used on their website–CCC is a valid organization that exists, along with many other organizations, religious and non-religious, on most college campuses–of course their promotional materials will promote their world view.
A check of the Air Force Academy web site shows that they honor and have representation from many faith groups–so to pretend that Christianity is being forced down cadets’ throats is just absurd.
All of you folks who like to cast Christians in the role of threat to the American way of life are pretty darned ignorant.

This is an outrage and must be stopped immediately. I am a Christian and this is not how you win people’s heart to Christ. Campus Crusade for Christ should be ashamed of the tactics they use – I’m sure Christ is not pleased with them either. That is what is wrong with the far right neconservative Christian – they no not what they do adn those whomthey follow are false preachers!

No, it’s true about basic training. I went through basic in 1996 and still here from the new Airman that the choice is go to church or do details. That’s how it was when I went through and it hasn’t changed. We did not have “free” time. We had to clean.

If you work for the military, does what you do in your free time count as your duty to receive your pay?
Government paid missionaries?
Well, then we have government paid skiers, golfers, helpers of the poor, motorcylists, gardeners and on and on…
I guess the intolerant among us would say that Christians can’t work in any public job or hold any public office.
I don’t worry if the pilot of my plane is a Christian, I just hope he can fly well. Let’s not worry if Christians are “getting” into government jobs, let’s just hire (vote for) people who can do the job.

Funny how Evangelicals support the military, the Bush administration and the war. If that’s what Christianity is all about- I’ll opt out.

Rather, its funny, mopping the floor or opting out of duty and going to a religious chapel service…yeah we really need to cry over the poor Hindu or agnostic soldiers/airmen behind the mops or cleaning bathrooms while our military is in harms way 24/7. A weak nation is reflected in its weak understanding of world conflicts through the ages and the simple idea of good conquering evil. I suppose we can have a military full of atheists and agnostics trusting in only themselves to accomplish an incredibly difficult task: defending the constitution and it’s enemies: foreign and domestic. Without the higher knowledge of good and where it comes from (yes, GOD) and how to propagate it, we stand to lose ALL our freedoms which our faithfull, God-fearing fore-fathers fought and bled for. If freedom is so precious, why is it cheapened by those who oppose freedom of faith and the exercise thereof, in various pursuits of life… military included? -As if the Bible doesn’t say enough about oppression and freedom already…makes we wonder about those enemies foreign and especially those domestic who would attempt to remove God from public or even private view. Its ok though, He doesn’t doubt their existence.

Eeveryone wants to cry “seperation of church and state”…but does anyone know what that really means. Please read a history book!! This was to protect the church from the state not the other way around!!! If you remember, in England the persecution of Christians was so bad they wanted to go someplace else. They chose to come to the dangerous colonies to escape. Everybody wants to hate on Christians and call it just another religion, however, they have no idea what Christianity even is!! Christianity is a relationship with God Almighty accompanied with a lifestyle, not a set of rules!! Has anyone actually read the Bible and thought about what it says?? Come on folks…just because you say something doesnt exist, doesnt change the absolute truth. One more thing, please do not hate Jesus Christ because there are wrong people out there who drag His name through the mud. Study Jesus for who He is not for who other people say He is!