Dec 13, 2007 7:54am

Live-Blogging during Democratic Debate

3:25 pm ET: Closing thoughts — Obama had the best line, bringing Clinton onto his team as an adviser. A "wow" moment that halted the laughter. Clinton seemed to get back into her groove for much of the afternoon — good, strong close for her. Edwards though wins on my scorecards — he was relentlessly on message, sounding strong, and making a very good case to keep this a three-person race.

That’s it from me today — Rick Klein. Those of you who’ve joined the blog — you’ve been the best group of the debate season, and I hope and trust you’ll be back online with me Jan. 5, for ABC’s two debates in New Hampshire!

More tomorrow in The Note.

3:25 pm ET: Moderator calls it a "very exciting" Republican debate from Wednesday. She’s the only one who feels that way.

3:22 pm ET: Edwards is "driven in [his] gut." Once again, he brings it back to a clear, concise message.

3:20 pm Et: Biden gets nostalgic (and chokes up?). Obama: "I want to remind myself, constantly, that this is not about me." Then "not to be distorted by the fears of losing." Huh?

3:18 pm ET: Edwards resolves to give his stump speech. Dodd gets a laugh: "Iowans caucus, and they caucus correctly." Richardson tweaks Congress.

3:16 pm ET: New Year’s resolutions… Clinton: "I have a lot of things that I think about resolving." And "spending time with my family." Careful, careful, careful what you wish for…

3:14 pm ET: Ooh, a good meaty signing statement question (props to my old colleague at the Boston Globe, Charlie Savage.)

3:13 pm ET: Obama with the line of the night!! "Hillary, I’m looking forward to you advising me as well." Bingo — there’s your line. Very quick, very smart. Made Hillary Clinton stop laughing.

3:12 pm ET: Richardson on protecting nuclear secrets: "We should have done a lot more." How reassuring!

3:09 pm ET: Edwards the fighter, again. Point is, you couldn’t watch even a piece of this debate without getting a very strong sense of his key campaign message.

3:06 pm ET: Joe Biden should NOT be talking about 7/11s and Dunkin’ Donuts in reference to Indian-Americans. Ever. Ever. "Just like the Italians." (!!!!) Staffers in Delaware cringe.

3:04 pm ET: OK — this is interesting, a meaty question about Sen. Clinton’s time as first lady. Her answer for what she’d do differently? "A strong communications strategy." (Howard Wolfson and Phil Singer have jobs waiting for them.) Wonder if anyone will bit on this…

3:02 pm ET: Here’s Edwards shooting broad once again — "join together to take this democracy and take this country back." At least the fourth time he’s sounded that theme — if you’re an angry Iowan, you’ve got to love that message. And the Fox dialers certainly do.

2:57 pm ET: What’s up with the school-marm of a moderator! Who cares if someone gets 15 seconds more than someone else? How much time has she wasted playing referee?

2:55 pm ET: Hillary Clinton is mentioning her family — on the day that she launches a campaign ad that features her mother and her daughter. The Clinton campaign must have polling that says people like her family.

2:53 pm ET: Two-thirds of the way through now, roughly, I don’t see this contributing significantly to the campaign’s storylines. The Fox dial tests have been friendly to Edwards and Obama, if that means anything.

2:48 pm Et: Clinton swipes Edwards and then Obama: "Some believe you get change by demanding it. Some believe you get it by hoping for it." So far, that’s probably the clip that gets played the most when this debate is over.

2:45 pm ET: Joe Biden just released a statement upon the "release" of the Mitchell report — which came out while he was on the debate stage in Iowa.

2:42 pm ET: Clinton jumping in to volunteer the field to raise their hands — a flash of the candidate who was at the early debates, who rose above the field and sometimes took it upon herself to speak for it.

2:41 pm ET: Edwards is making just about every response about his fight-the-establishment message. He’s good at hitting a message over and over — often what you need to do in a debate that doesn’t have major highlights.

2:39 pm ET: This is the best I can remember Clinton on the environmental issue. "Reaching for the stars, only we’re going to do it right here on earth." Excellent line from the woman who once wanted to be an astronaut.

2:37 pm ET: I’m all about responsiveness, gang, that’s the point of the blog — it’s not a one-way street.

2:37 pm ET: Dodd seems to get really animated only when he talks about the carbon tax. That remains a major distinction between him and the rest of the field.

2:35 pm ET: I just think these questions are too broad. Asking the candidates to talk about how to turn energy policy into a plus for the economy, that just gives too many opportunities for too many different types of answers. I don’t see how that gets at meaningful issues or distinctions between the candidates.

2:33 pm ET: Richardson uses his 30 seconds a bit differently — a thanks. How sweet. He calls Iraq "the most important, fundamental issue facing this country." It might yet be, but isn’t so much at this stage of the campaign, and certainly not at this debate.

2:30 pm ET: Clinton on NAFTA: "It should be changed." She’s said this before, and it’s important in Iowa. "I’m going to ask for revisions that actually benefit our country." "We don’t want to be the trade patsies of the world." Not a part of the Clinton record that she wants to dwell on, but that was a good line, the no-patsies policy.

2:25 pm ET: Edwards: "What makes America America is at risk." "We need to take them on." Edwards is looking strong today, notwithstanding the verbal flub.

2:23 pm ET: So far, this is the most political line of the afternoon, and it’s from Obama: "We are not going to make some of these changes unless we change how business is done in Washington." He’s said it before, and this is all relative to how interesting this debate is, but that’s a clear-shot line on a message he is talking about all the time.

2:21 pm ET: Hillary Clinton’s bipartisan commission on Social Security is back. The dynamics of the campaign have shifted since this was a major issue, but I wonder if any of the other candidates will pick up on her continued refusal to name specific steps she’d take.

2:19 pm ET: Appreciate the comments below about content — I’m sort of assuming that people who are tuning into the blog are also watching on TV or on a Web stream.

2:18 pm ET: Bill Richardon’s productive relationship with China will start with all these bans and threats?

2:17 pm ET: Early on — and it is early — this is shaping up as another snoozer.

2:12 pm ET: There’s reference No. 2 to the 1990s from Clinton. Oh and there’s No. 3, even as I type.

2:11 pm ET: Fox News is doing running dial-testing — and John Edwards is quite literally off the charts with that answer about the tax system being rigged.

2:09 pm ET: Hillary Clinton also gets in a reference to the balanced-budget years of the 1990s. May be fun to start a running tally of her shout-outs to the Clinton years.

2:07 pm ET: Does Chris Dodd think his Senatese about pay-go and obscure budget acts he’s sponsored is going to get hm anywhere?

2:05 pm ET: Bill Richardson makes the first reference to the "Clinton years," and it’s a positive one.

2:03 pm ET: What a terrible (and easy) first question — is it a priority to balance the federal budget? For some reason, though, Barack Obama didn’t start with a simple "yes."

2:01 pm ET: Feels like we never left — but here we are again. Again, just rooting for more action than yesterday…

Rick Klein from ABC’s The Note here. I’ll be online live at 2 pm ET during Thursday’s Democratic debate — the last debate before the Iowa caucuses, and hopefully more interesting than Wednesday’s Republican debate. Look forward to having you with me — assuming you’re not named in the Mitchell Report.

User Comments

Democrat debates. How fun. One power-hungry idiot attacking another power-hungry idiot. None of them have an ounce of sincerety. The only motive is to take the Whitehouse. The Democrats have a 63% disapproval rating. Imagine what would happen if Hillary was the President with a with a power-hungry Democrat Congress and Senate. It makes my skin shrivel just thinking about it. They used to be champions of the working class, now it’s just pork-and-barrel politics mixed with blocks and filibusters.

Posted by: michael charlton | December 13, 2007, 8:39 am 8:39 am

I would have to disagree, I do think Hillary is making a grab for power, as well as Edwards. I believe that the others honestly believe they have something relevant to bring to the office for the benefit of the country.

Posted by: Louis | December 13, 2007, 8:55 am 8:55 am

We really could use some content please, Rick. Thanks.

Posted by: Katherine | December 13, 2007, 9:17 am 9:17 am

“2:17 pm ET: Early on — and it is early — this is shaping up as another snoozer.”
So is this debate a snoozer bc the East Coast media would rather the moderator focus on personal differences between the big name candidates? As an Iowa Caucus goer watching this debate on C-SPAN, I’m very pleased to see the moderator asking specific questions of substance, rather than trying to “spark fireworks” between the media candidates.

Posted by: Jack | December 13, 2007, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Rick what VALUE does this blog bring to the debate? What issues will be clarified by you? This is more, much more, like an homage to Rick and his quick wit (and even that is questionable). If you can’t bring value, why waste space?

Posted by: Bonnie | December 13, 2007, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Wow, this moderator is horrible. Just as bad as yesterday. Clinton seems to be doing well…playing to the TV audience and Iowa (with specific stats). Not Obama’s high point so far… he stutters a bit. Seems like Richardson is talking a lot.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:24 am 9:24 am

First 30 Second Comments
Obama seems like he’s on anti-depressants… and Edwards needs to cut the caffeine a bit.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Bonnie, feel free to go elsewhere if this blog isn’t meeting your needs.
Keep up the great work, Rick!

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Wow, Chris Dodd has been in the Senate way too long. He is the reason Senators don’t get elected President.

Posted by: Jamie | December 13, 2007, 9:30 am 9:30 am

Do you have a problem with free speech, Brandon?

Posted by: Bonnie | December 13, 2007, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Not at all! Seems like you’re not happy with Mr. Klein’s work. Many of us are. Don’t waste your valuable time here if you’re not getting any “value” from it.
Ditto on Dodd! Boring boring boring.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Check it out: when I and others asked for content, Rick started to give us some. Thank you, Rick, for your responsiveness.

Posted by: Bonnie | December 13, 2007, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Yawwwn.. thank God this is the last.
TIME TO VOTE!!!!

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Or Caucus.. :)

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Hillary sounds great, but does she look a bit tired? Is it the candidates or the venue? Only Edwards seems to be alive here. (Truth in advertising: I’m a Hillary supporter).

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Was the only reason Obama traveled to Detroit to kick us in the ribs (Detroit resident here) so that he could repeat his line on talking truth to the automakers in every debate? Not gonna get you a lot of votes in Michigan, even if you’re right on the issue.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:42 am 9:42 am

I am undecided as far as who I am supporting but the moderator is pro-clinton. She basically said the same thing she has said over and over again but he seems to make a big deal out of this.
This is what I see the second tier candidates are getting more time that HRC, BO and JE

Posted by: John | December 13, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Who’s this moderator? This is a rough ride.

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Did anyone understand that question? Didn’t she write these out ahead of time? She is terrible, terrible.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:44 am 9:44 am

From what I gather, the sominex was passed out in advance as another snoozer continues.
Hillary has no where to go but up or ave some staffer dream up more dirt she can deny or apoligize for, Edwards .. well he is Edwards and Obama well seems he is in pre bent to avoid any hail mary’s by the others.
I suspect the inside polls are worse for Hillary then is pubically known so watch Edwards and Obama play it safe.
We shall see

Posted by: Dave | December 13, 2007, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Obama’s sounding like Kerry… or Clinton on immigration. Yes or no, Senator?

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Farmers in New York, who knew.

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:48 am 9:48 am

This is why she’ll win: a perfect 30 second stump speech.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:49 am 9:49 am

What has Hillary done for change in America.??? Please someone tell me..

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Left jab , right jab.. they are trying to knock Obama out..

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:50 am 9:50 am

The moderator did not even right a word about Obama’s execellent responce on the energy question

Posted by: John | December 13, 2007, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Does anyone else find it refreshing that only the serious candidates are on stage today?
That said, what the hell’s up with kicking out Kucinich if you’re going to let that crazy Keyes (did anyone know he was running for President again?) dominate yesterday. They gotta be careful, or you’ll have 20-30 candidates someday…

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 9:51 am 9:51 am

I actually miss Straight talk Kucinich.

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Hey Moderator,
Please give a moral service to journalism.

Posted by: John | December 13, 2007, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Finally a good question. – What will you accomplish?

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 9:59 am 9:59 am

How much you want to bet she give the last word to this question to Hillary. 3:00p , good time for her to think about a answer.. setup..

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:00 am 10:00 am

Anyone want to bet that this is the moderator’s last debate ever? Even Yepsen–writing in her own paper–hinted that she’s terrible. She’s soooooo not ready for prime time. Makes Anderson Cooper look like an old pro. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You’re 3 seconds over! THANK YOU.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:01 am 10:01 am

What happen to Ladies First?

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Ouch, tough Biden question.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Why can’t Biden and Dodd stop talking about the arcane details about the Senate? It kills them. Obama, Edwards, and Clinton need to give them some lessons.
Cheap attempt by Obama to get Biden’s caucus voters there. (Shrewd, though!)

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:08 am 10:08 am

I have to (reluctantly) agree with Rick. Edwards is having a good day. Clinton’s back on her game though, finally!

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Mighty Blow!!!

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Ouch! Nice dig, Obama! (Re I want you, Hillary, advising me too!)

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:14 am 10:14 am

SOUND BITE OF THE DEBATE: I PLAN ON USING YOU AS WELL..

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:14 am 10:14 am

My girl’s not shaken. Still looking good!

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:16 am 10:16 am

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING! The New Years resolution question again!! She is terrible terrible terrible!!!

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Oh Edward..what..what???

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Edwards will lose because he sounds like a broken record… Two Americas… blah blah blah

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:18 am 10:18 am

No she’s shaken, no one will forget that line..ever…

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Can you say DAMN! that upstart yougin got in my way again. These elections are tough (and get in the way) and my White House gig is in trouble.. Geez don’t these clowns know who I am.. I am HIllary! I deserve to be elected.

Posted by: Dave | December 13, 2007, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Let’s Close this Debate with the Next President of the United States. Happy New Year – Obama 08

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Good luck with that guys, she’s back!
Obama: It’s not about me!?
Really? Really? One year in the Senate and you decide to run for President. No, it’s not about him.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Terrible last question: PLEASE PANDER TO THE VOTERS OF IOWA. FOR 20 SECONDS.

Posted by: Brandon | December 13, 2007, 10:23 am 10:23 am

if Biden had the #### his closing line should be to Hillary…
Hasta la Vista Baby
her arrogance came through again and she got hoisted on her own petard…
This should tell you what how really thinks

Posted by: Dave | December 13, 2007, 10:24 am 10:24 am

FIERY URGENCY OF NOW!!! Have you been listening? :)lol

Posted by: Lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Started out slow..but got better and great with the mighty blow from Obama. Game over

Posted by: lawrence | December 13, 2007, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Who won the Des Moines Register Democratic Debate in Iowa?

Posted by: PollM | December 13, 2007, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Obama clearly presented insightful answers in a spontaneous, well-reasoned and very presidential manner. After watching this debate you know you can trust him to lead this country wisely, and work toward bringing people together to get things done. Edwards used all the right hot-button words to get people to react emotionally, but was a bit too repetitive, lawyer-like, and adversarial, promising conflict, not solutions as president. Hillary just fell flat with her feeble attempts to jab, and pander to women with waist line problems. Others all seemed worthy of being candidates for president. A low key, but informative debate.

Posted by: robby10001 | December 13, 2007, 11:52 am 11:52 am

Edwards was the winner! All the way!
Focused, got his message across, he knows the topics and knows how to explain the solution or his ideas, helooked presidential, sharp and as a leader.
Obama was boring and trying hard to looking presidential. He is not good when you focus in the issues, his experience and knowledge is limited and you can easily tell.
Hillary was focused and good in the issues, she is good with that format and def know the topics.
Biden was sharp and looked good, to bad he is not the “celebrity” candidate or has the free press coverage all the time like Obama or Clinton.
Richardson was boring as usual.
Dodd very senatorial.

Posted by: Pete | December 13, 2007, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

John Edwards was the Candidate who stood out on top today. I hope he becomes the candidate. When was the last time a Democrat won the White House that was not a Southern Democrat?Do we really wanna see the same old red and blue state fight again?

Posted by: Neil | December 13, 2007, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

CNN and FOX news focuse groups both said that Edwards won the debate, and I must say I agree with the fouse groups EDWARDS WON!!

Posted by: Mark | December 13, 2007, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

Edwards was impressive!
I could easily see him as president. He not only won this debate, but his policy recommendations and positions on important issues are strong and sound.
What is especially important to me is that he considers the needs of middle class Americans as a priority, whereas Obama and Clinton have strong ties to and support from the corporate class and elite political insiders, who don’t give a rip about the citizens outside the beltway.
Go Edwards!

Posted by: TarHeel | December 14, 2007, 3:55 am 3:55 am

I have to say that I’m very disappointed with all the whining about Dodd’s language. He’s the only candidate who actually *said* anything, the only one who demonstrated any real knowledge and genius. He has less charisma than a paper bag, of course, and so is totally unelectable, but I, for one, think he wasn’t boring. I found his knowledge enrapturing. I hope that whoever wins finds a nice cabinet seat for him, because it would be a shame if a mind like that went unused by the next President.

Posted by: Walker Yeatman | December 15, 2007, 12:07 am 12:07 am

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