Bill Clinton Undeterred By 9/11 Hecklers

How about letting Osama bin Laden get out of Africa? This after he was offered up to America on a plate bubba bill?

How is this heckler’s question any different from Michael Moore’s questions in his movie Farenheit 911? They’re not. Hundreds of millions of people went to see Moore’s questions about 911, and hundreds of millions (including Osama Bin Laden per his video messages) got copies of the DVD. Why? Because people don’t want to face the harsh reality that is the reason for the 911 attacks, the reason for Al Queda’s rebirth in 12/92, and the reason why Osama Bin Laden went from average ranting Islamic extremist to someone out to kill Americans.
pg 48/49 911 Commission Final Report

The 9/11 “truthers” are lunatics and anarchists, and they deserve to be ridiculed. But Bill Clinton, who refused to take Osama bin Laden from the Sudanese when he had the chance, and failed to take him out when he had the chance later on, bears a LOT of responsibility for 9/11.

oh but now we have a 1987 story about Hillary and Wal-Mart.
Where is the 2007 story about Michelle Obama and Treehouse/Wal-Mart?
And now to the excuses Bush gives for 9/11.
If Osama got out of Africa, he was given a red carpet entrance by Bush.
It was his watch. Let’s remember it was also Rudy’s watch. If Hillary had been the mayor of N.Y. all we would have heard about was her imcompetance and lack of judgement in protecting our great city. But it was Rudy, and he’s a superhero, not responsible for policing his own city?
And Bush was only in office a short time. He can’t be held responsible. Oh really? Not ready to be President on day one Porgy?
If it takes more than 10 months to be prepared as President, then why not have left someone else in there until Bush was ready.
Iraq was about daddy, but we had to have 3,942 people die to satisfy an old family feud.
And let’s not forget – the U.S. has to TELL the world we are the only remaining superpower on earth.
Well usually, if you ARE a superpower, your power speaks for itself.
It doesn’t need a cheerleader to remind the world who’s winning the game.
The enemy of Islam they say is Israel. The enemy of Osama is Israel he says.
The enemy of the Palestinians is Israel, they say.
They enemy of Al Qaida is Israel so they say.
So who did they attack? Us. Not their real enemy. And you want to know why? Because the fundamentalist world would not have been around to gloat over 9/11.
It would be 9/12 that the world remembered, when Israel kicked the holy living hell out of most of the Mindless East, without permission from us, or Europe or the U.N. THAT is why WE were bombed and Israel was NOT.
Israel would have put the major points of this war to rest in about a day. Yeah, they have suicide bombers but they don’t have their jets hijacked into their buildings. They don’t have their brave soldiers fighting the wrong battle out of revenge concerning a family feud and being sent home without care or concern.
And all we hear about is Clinton. He is STILL to blame for Bush’s absolute lack of know-how. If Bush had a brain cell it would die from lonliness.
but you all are talking about the Clinton years. Hmmmmm . . .
Cigars.
Sperm on a dress.
Balanced Budget.
Massive SURPLUS.
Low unemployment, higher wages, low gas prices, affordable utilities.
That was also Clinton’s legacy, but we have all you toilet-talking, meth and h00ker using reverend hypocrits forgetting your own truths. Newtie Gingrich was scr3wing HIS own intern while he spoke in the halls of congress about impeaching someone who had an intern.
Ronald Regan is Jesus but he hooked up with Nancy while cheating on his wife and his children, but he is still Jesus.
Now we have a disgustingly poor world image, higher unemployment, a dollar lower than CANADA?, gas prices through the roof, utilities through the roof, no credit, falling home values, falling bridges, torturing people without a trial, veternas hospitals in disgusting filth, veterans pay at an all time low, a trade imbalance that could sink America, poison pet food and poison toys unregulated, China has enough of our debt to send us back into the Dark Ages.
CEOs are making BILLIONS after losing their companies just as much in crooked deals, still waiting for most of the ENRON people to go to jail, the wire tapping illegal mess, Libby pardons while border guards rot in jail, our ports run by the MINDLESS EAST! Oh, and borders wide open. Plus let’s war on Science and choose faith over freedom. Let’s have a theocracy like Iran but with Jesus at the helm rather than nutting Islam. Let’s get rid of the Dept. of Education and turn over teaching to the churches. Let’s tell the world global warming is a myth while praying for the apocolypse and the rapture. That sounds helpful.
Wow, I am so glad we are still bringing up Clinton 8 years later. I am so glad that we have are better off today than our parents were. Our kids are so damn lucky. They are going to owe us BIG TIME for leaving them this perfect world.
(sorry, I had to fix the text from before – typing while on the phone – trying to do 4 things at once :)

Hillary Clinton is a “Cry Baby”.
Do we need a “Cry Baby” for President?
John McCain best days are behind Him, if he became President what would he do.
The little wife following him around look like she’s 40 years younger than him.
Do we need another 4 years of the Bush era?

I will like to correct the statement someone made about OBL in Africa. He is in Pakistan and not Africa. Please don’t add Africa as one of your ‘axis of evil’
Secondly Clinton did a good job of handling the heckler.Whipping up conspiracy theory will not help the nation moving forward

why is race playing a role in obama’s campaign?
70-80% of African-Americans in each state that has either held a caucus or an election has voted for Obama.
I think voting for someone based on race is a step backwards.

t5: Hillary Clinton support is coming from white woman and white man, because they want to see a white woman become President qualified or not. Race is and issue because it’s alway been a issue.
Former President Bill Clinton is the biggest fate ever. Playing race against race.

t5: Hillary Clinton support is coming from white women and white men, because they want to see a white woman become President qualified or not. Race is an issue because it’s alway been a issue.
Former President Bill Clinton is the biggest fate ever. Playing race against race.

“My story was never mentioned in the final [9/11 Commission] report and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room…I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn’t let me do that, I walked out.”
Firefighter Lou Cacchioli–Witness before the 9/11 Commission. WTC survivor. Retired 20-year veteran of FDNY, Company 47, Harlem. Injuries on 9/11 and toxic dust inhalation forced retirement.
It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don’t agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible.”

So, how about a REAL investigation into 911?
The family members are demanding it. Are they idiots, too?
Once the Mainstream stops categorizing all “doubters” as “missles, bombs, bush did it inside job” people, which will never happen, we’d be able to speak openly about the serious conflicts of interests and coverups that have occurred.
It’s common sense.

LOL, Bill Clinton pwned a troofer. Well, he deserved it. Let the troofers go back to the grassy knoll they came from and hope they camp out and doze off in their tents singing “Kumbaya”. Their heckling and conspiracy theories are getting annoying.

9/11 inside job conspiracy theorists aren’t morons… they’re Ron Paul supporters.

There are very too many unexplained inconsistancies in the 9-11 commission report, and an obvious avoidance to finding out what really happened on
Sep 11, 2001. Why for example were not the people at ground zero given their say. They saw, up close what was going on. One might wonder why B. Clinton wouldn’t encourage a real and indefpendent investigation.

Whoever typed the transcription made an important ommission. My correction is emphasized in asterisks.
He actually says, “we look like idiots *denying* that the people who murdered our fellow citizens, did it.”

Why are we blaming this heckling of Bill Clinton on the Obama camp? There is no linkage whatsoever.
Bill handled these guys like a pro and good for him for staying on message.

of course President clinton was the only man that ever?????? Mccain,s past “Marie, the flame of florida” exotic dancer Oh!@ No Not a christian republican, McCain,s rich wife of Anhenser Busch family no mention of this but remember John Kerry rich wife?????? Did they ever let up on her ???Did Bush inhale??/ Clintons stole from the white house when they left. Ronnie got air force one no mention of this steal.

Markus Nezpick if your beloved President Bush would have listen to the briefing about Osama when the power of commard was handing over to him I would bet there wouldn’nt even been a 911 to talk about.

How about the people that feel as if the government is a complete failure in every endeavor that they decide to undertake?? Instead of arguing we need to throw ALL of these bums out into the street and start over fresh with a SMALL government that was framed in the constitution. NOT one that has a “defense” department that just “misplaces” over a TRILLION dollars BEFORE 9/11. WHY GIVE THEM MORE MONEY??? THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO GET IT RIGHT, SO GET THE HELL OUT OF THE PEOPLES PERSONAL LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO UNIVERSAL ANYTHING….IT WILL BE MORE OF A MESS, MORE $2,000 DOLLAR TOILET SEATS…MORE $400 HAMMERS…MORE WASTE, MORE FRAUD.

Why are they heckling Clinton, it’s the nuts who are in Washington right now that covered up whatever happened.
Building 7 imploded and the 911 commision didn’t even mention it.

HaHaHa Slick Willlie making a fool of himself: he doth protest too much, don’t he? HaHaHa Clinton is one of the September Criminals and he’s a little worried

We know now, about state-sponsored false-flag terror ops. See Webster Tarpley, “9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA”

Fraud 08? Don’t you mean Fraud 2000 and 2004?
You tell me what it was about. Sec. of State Rice has herself stated that there is no evidence that there was any credible offer to hand over Bin laden. This is simply a stry that Faux news ran and ran with.
Also, if it was so obvious that Bin laden should have been taken in or taken out, why didn’t the Bush administration do so when they took office?
This is all just examples of the GOP and the Neo-cons trying to scare and confuse the America people, and they are true traitors to everything we hold dear.
So keep kidding yourselves that it’s all Bill’s fault, if that helps you sleep after 8 years of the GOP destroying America.

Bill’s right, 9/11 was perpetrated by al-CIA-duh. (WTC 7 didn’t blow itself up)

Last I heard, lots of 9/11 first-responders are dying from severe respiratory problems. They inhaled air full of asbestos after Christine Todd Whitman declared that the air around ground zero was safe.
C’mon people! Even the former italien president has come out and said 9/11 was an inside job. And ever heard of Robert Baer? The ex-CIA guy who wrote the book which was the inspiration for Syriana said 9/11 looks like an inside job. It’s all not that far-fetched me thinks.

I see the usual comments from the “head in the sand” crowd. Troofers, tin-foil hat name calling. Funny, they never seem to want to talk about the thousands of unanswered questions about 9/11.
Don’t you think it’s odd that all these supposed leaders have the exact same attitude about 9/11? Nothing to see here, move along. The case was solved within hours on 9/11, no need to ask any more questions. Usually, when someone doesn’t want any questions asked, they have something to hide.
The media told you Osama controlled the operation from a cave and his 19 cavemen did the whole operation. We don’t need to provide any stinkin evidence, believe what you’re told.
Case closed.
Yeah right, and Osama made the trillion dollar military STAND DOWN during the 2 hour event. You have to be a COMPLETE SAP to believe this laughable story.
Do your own research people

“Snake of a Woman” …. I have heard a lot of people say that about HRK…. But when
I ask them why, they can’t explain. One of my friends said that she “looks
cunning”, or she took advantage of the Bill Clinton – Monica Lewinsky episode
(sympathy factor). I would say that it was something that was private to their
family, and even if it is true, taking into account that we are talking about
the first family it was the most pragmatic thing that any one could have done.
She stood by her husband and tried to diffuse the whole issue and get to the
“real” issues concerning the “nation”. And if some one is judging
based on looks or likability factor( sweet, cunning , polite ..whatever), I say
u gotta look at what their polacies than their looks.
Ok, forget the past , the best thing abut HRK that I like is that she explains
her plan, she doesn’t gloss over the whole thing from a very high level and
chant the word “CHANGE”. I agree Obama is an amazing speaker, he can move
people, but, he doesn’t get into the details, this is exactly like John Kerry’s
campaign where he would say that he has a “PLAN” but never explained what the
plan was. Even his website doesn’t support the plans adequately.
HRK is so comfortable in explaining her plan even getting into details, this has happened in every debate, on the other hand Obama delivers amazing one liners – opening statements – and all the stuff which makes an amazing speech without getting into the details – I HAVE TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT. And every time when he is posed with a question which needs an explanation he starts chanting “CHANGE”……. COME ON!!!!
And people talk about misrepresentation; I say that the “MEDIA” has got more to
do with this than the candidates or their campaigns.
Finally I would say that we need a “smart and experienced ” president
who can handle the issues at hand and I think Hillary Clinton can do it.

Bill Clinton is undeterred by anything… especially good sense.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about 9/11. I think it was the week of 9/17 that FoxNews’s Brit Hume and Carl Cameron did a 4-part series on how Amdocs and Israeli Mosad were up to their elbows in 9/11; that they fully knew in advance. Those reports were quickly removed from Fox Online without any comment
9/11 truthers are not crazy. There is a lot being hidden from us.

If you search the ABC site you will find a story about a new book coming out that says that the CEO of the 9/11 investigation met with Karl Rove and that the whitehouse directed the investigation. You may also remember that Bush refused to testify without Darth at his side. Its easy to dismiss someone and their ideas by attacking them, its called an Ad Hominem, meaning attack the person, not the idea or the facts. So keep calling me crazy because I don’t care anymore. The truth is out. If you want to know what it is, you can find out.

Roger, before speaking tell me something. Have you seen the report I referred to? Those, very detailed investigative reports, were from FoxNews, not some “liberal media”. So if you declare something to be “garbage” without even knowing anything about it, it says a lot about you and your mental capabilities.

These conspiracy theories about the WTC have been debunked. It doesn’t matter anyway because these conspiracy theorists wouldn’t accept any evidence, unless it supports, well, their conspiracy theories.

why was the 9/11 building rubble shipped off to another country to be melted down? Surely you would want to investigate as much of the rubble as you could for any clues, like in any homicide investigation? This point was made in different words by a former CIA agent on TV, dispute it all you want.
Next, why was 0s4ma’s family flown out so quickly after the event? in a homicide investigation, wouldn’t you want to interview the family of the perp as soon as possible?
the real crime is not the tin foil hatters but the lack of any televised debate and open discussion in a logical way about 9/11.
control the media, control the mind
tv brainwashes you and you eat it all, consumers and mental midgets.
what do I believe? nothing, yet, I don’t know who to believe, I sure don’t trust the unknown mouthpieces, nor do I trust a government, any government to tell me the truth.

Obama is more than ready, Clintons are ready to continue to line their pockets and screw the country like the did back in the 90′s and like Bush is doing now.
Obama’s not ready is just plain dog-whistle racism coming from a desperate candidate.

have been debunked? yeah with fact that have no basis with reality. Aluminum planes are not going to destroy a STEEL building, and the flames from a petro fire are not going to melt them either no matter how many scientists say it will, or your stove might melt in your kitchen next time you boil water making your pasta.
Building don’t collasp and oh yeah pancake? why would it, with all the concrete turning to dust in the first seconds,.. what was collasping?? 100 stories?? what happened to the building?

Clinton was largely right in insisting 9/11 was not an inside job, but no self-respecting follower of the Constitution could say that this appalling event was anything like the Official Conspiracy Theory has described.
The US has yet to face the fact that it was outsmarted by those it benefited most and that sure wasn’t the Arabs, was it?
Remember Carl Cameron’s 4 part series on Fox News back in 2001? No, didn’t think so, as it was erased and dropped down the memory hole.
An impartial and judicial investigation of 9/11 has yet to be convened in the States. Why is this, despite Commissioners Kean and Hamilton themselves saying their commission was ineffective and manipulated by the White House?

25 year old Benjamin Chertoff was the senior science editor that oversaw the original Popular Mechanics article on the collapse of the buildings.
Doesn’t prove anything but its the fact that none of this stuff has been aired by the main stream press.
It looks bad and should have been investigated.
Do a little of your own research regarding Michael Chertoff, DHS director.
And also ask yourself, “where did they get the term “homeland” to name the department. And why is the former head of the east german secret police working as a consultant for DHS.
Fascism didn’t begin or end in WW2 . .

haha get yourself all whipped into a frenzy! the only thing we know: the gov’t failed us on 9/11, and somehow they are the only ones who can save us.

This about sums it up:
“finding out the truth is the ultimate liberation from congnitive dissonance . . you know . . like the thing that had been bothering Neo in the Matrix”
exactly, just like in a fictional sci fi movie. And if the feds are so wicked and efficient . . . why haven’t they rounded you dullards up yet? Now THERE’S a conspiracy I could support.

Yes I truly hope the US rounds up all the 9/11 conspiracy types and banishes them. not for political reasons, just to raise the intellectual level of the country a few notches.

Wtc 7 fell to the ground after not being hit by a plane. Before it fell, several firefighters told the public to move back because the building was coming down. Larry Silverstein ( the lease holder ), can be seen on youtube claiming that he told the fire fighters to “pull it”.
At the time, some wtc 7 tenants included the securities and exchange commission as well as an office shared by the department of defense and CIA and IRS.
The official explanation is that it fell due to fire, thus making it the first steel frame building in history to do so. Does this mean that the U.S. staged the attack? Of course not. Does this mean that further investigation is warranted? I would say yes.
Every western countries media has asked this question except that of the U.S. Why is that? Its because Americas Next Top Model is on.
The average American has got his head so far in the sand the he/she can be attacked by Saudi Arabians who trained in Afghanistan, retaliate against Iraq and then sell 20 billion dollars worth of weapons to the same people who attacked him (Saudis). Then the same people who lied to them about Iraqs WMD’s tell him/her that Iran has them and now there scared of Iran. What the hell is up with you people?

9/11 has always been an important subject for me as I often had business at the WTC and had many friends who passed away there on 9/11. I was in a conference on the 106 floor on the Thurs/Fri before the fateful Tuesday.
Anyone who looks at the evidence would have to admit that there are are lot of suspicious looking details especially with the collapse of WTC7, which collapsed later in the day on 9/11. WTC7 was furthest of the WTC builds away from the towers. It wasn’t hit by a plane and didn’t have any major fires, yet is suddenly collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11. No study has been able to explain this collapse. The 9/11 commission report said it need further investigation – but that hasn’t been funded.
Given that, what would be wrong with a proper investigation. The 9/11 commission was way underfunded compared to other investigations such as TWA 800.
If the suspicious details can be soundly explained in a proper investigation, then we’d be able to put this behind us. Otherwise there will always be some significant doubt.

investigate the rubble losers.
not a SINGLE fact has been presented that would make this “theory” marginally coherent. these are the same people who are walked all over on in life, by insurance salesmen, lovers, teachers, bosses, everyone. they are so meek and small minded, any little mental trick can paralyze them into a frenzy of irrational thoughts.
such as, “cousin”. ya, if MY cousin was responsible for 9/11 I know i’d lie for him, riiight. doesn’t even make sense. go investigate some rubble, schmucks, the rest of us have moved on. 9/11 is sooooo boring.

I don’t believe Obama is playing the race card — when eveyone, including Bill Clinton continues to ‘remind’ us that he’s African American. For those who incorrectly assert that Obama plays the race card because he’s getting the majority of the African American vote, should consider that African Americans generally vote for a democrat – and maybe all the individual voters are picking the best democrat… and secondly… although he may be getting 70-80% of the African American vote, he did not win Iowa (98% of the state’s population is white) or South Carolina or come in a very close second in NH and Nevada on the African American vote alone… look at the data, he’s carrying the majority of the state.

you have not named a SINGLE “piece” of evidence of any import at all. You think the inept feds are so shrewd and efficient they could pull of 9/11 . . . but couldn’t coorinate a water delivery after a Hurricane.
ya, bush can’t speak in full sentences but he can orchestrate massive conspiracies involving TENS OF THOUSANDS of people, all covering up for him.
you are getting older now, you really haven’t accomplished much (of course that’s the “government’s fault in your mind). you have no credibility, no momentum, nothing is really working out for you. instead of parading around as conspiracy losers, did you ever think of contributing something to your family, to your community, to your government? i didn’t think so. easier to sit around eating corn puffins and blogging in your underwear from mom’s basement.
Go investigate some rubble. LOL! and I mean OL!

Correction
…your idea fits in real well with the philosophy of Nazi Germany under Hitler, he would have appreciated your support.

As your own eyes witness — WTC Building #7 (a 47 story high-rise not hit by an airplane) exhibits all the characteristics of a classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1.
Rapid onset of “collapse”
2.
Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)
3.
Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
4.
Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos
5.
“Collapses” into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
6.
Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
7.
Tons of molten Metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
8.
Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
9.
FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
10.
Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
11.
Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1.
Slow onset with large visible deformations
2.
Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3.
Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4.
High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”.

eejits.
Jet fuel is kerosene. It does not burn anywhere near hot enough to melt or weaken steel.
That is the fact that nobody wants to discuss.
And, how come there has NEVER been a skyscraper collapse from fire – hell, years ago an airliner crashed into the Empire State Building. AS of last weekend it was still standing.

Concerned,
just explain in your best popular science debunking language,….
where did the bottom floors and basement of WTC 1 & 2 go?

“where did the bottom floors go”?
who the hell cares where they went?
you are all delusional at psychiatric levels. if you actually think ANY of this is true, you should be labatomized. yes, every italian and irish and puerto rican and jamaican firefighter and cop was in on this and none has said a WORD about it.
you are third rate intellectuals, a veritable five and dime store for ideas.
why don’t you tell ME, why a construction worker in my presence, PREDICTED the fall of the towers AFTER the crash and before the towers fell, as the natural consequence of all the heat from the fire?
i guess these idiots never even saw the vidoe of 9/11 itself, what else explains a moronic comment like that fire wasn’t “that hot”?

On the note of the structural failure of the WTC towers – fire won’t “melt” the beams. However, steel is a hardened material. This hardening process is what creates the immense rigidity within steel. It is the rigidity that allows us to use it as a building material in skyscrapers like the towers. The problem with steel is that, while it doesn’t melt, it looses 60% or more of its rigidity once it has reached 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. A typical fire, especially a fire that was flashed with jet fuel early will for sure burn well over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. How do we counter this now? We spray the steel in a fireproofing material that adheres to the steel and also acts as an extinguishing agent to the fire thus putting the fire out the same way a fire extinguisher would by smothering the fire. This material is not light by any means, so, to reduce the weight of the building a new spray-on lightweight fireproofing material was utilized. This material had not gone through as extensive of testing as existing methods of fireproofing.
Now, onto more specific information about the design of the WTC towers – they were not a typical skyscraper structural system. Typically we build skyscrapers on a structural system that creates “bays” within the structure which yields columns in the interior plan of the building. Instead, the design of the WTC towers was a new design concept by Yamasaki (the architect). The building consisted of a central high compression concrete core that housed the lavatories and the elevators. The exterior was a steel “cage” that consisted of heavy duty wide-flange columns (I-beams used as columns with very thick pieces of material to make them) and cross support by other structural steel members. These two elements were then connected by open web joists – the type of roof structure you see in your local Wal-Mart. Each open web joist was pinned by 2 bolts at each end – 2 bolts at the exterior steel structural “cage” and 2 bolts connecting the open web joist to an L-flange that embedded in the central concrete core. These joists also now create the lateral support between the central core and the exterior “cage,” creating a column free interior space which yields more usable (read as rentable or money intake) space. Then, as a final decorative element, the exterior columns were wrapped in an aesthetic trim panel. Aluminum if I remember correctly, but I might be incorrect on the material. Also, something to note is that when the structure was designed for the building by the structural engineering firm it was designed to take a hit from an airplane. They figured for the largest plane at the time which was considerably smaller than what did hit the WTC towers. And by considerably smaller, I’m talking the wingspan primarily. The wingspan of the largest plane at the time, no matter where it would of hit the towers would of never been able to reach the central core. But, in our bigger is better society we had to build larger aircraft with a larger wingspan – so large that it could indeed hit the central core no matter WHERE it hit the tower.
Now, for why the towers fell – When the planes hit the towers they hit the towers with such great velocity and force the fireproofing was blown off of the steel structure. This already puts the entire building at risk. Once the fire started and the jet fuel was ignited and created the explosion that has been talked about in this lengthy list of user comments, the temperature of the fire reached well over 1500 degrees Fahrenheit. This caused the steel in the open web joists to loose its rigidity and start to deform. The deformed in the effect that mid point of the open web joist began to sag creating a longer distance from pin connection to pin connection. (We all know a curved line from point A to point B is longer than a straight light from point A to point B) As this open web joist sagged it placed a tremendous shear force on the pins that connected the open web joist to the central core and the exterior “cage.” These pins finally failed once they reached their maximum shear force causing the open web joists closest to the original impact to fall straight down and initiate the pancake effect. As the pancake effect too its course down the building the lateral support was now devoid causing the cage to be pulled inward from the reactionary forces taking place from the pancaking. This caused the exterior walls to fall inwards and make it look like the building was imploded.
If you do general searches on Google for images of the failed steel from the WTC you will see pictures of steel and how it is bent inwards from this effect as well as mangled open web joists. It is quite a sight to see. The original building design was absolutely ahead of the time – creating a column free interior in a building as large as that. Looking back at it now, as much of a great idea as it was at the time, it was most likely ahead of the time, hence the reason we don’t see it anymore and we have (for the most part) gone back to the traditional bay system of structural design.

Every single bad act done in history that wasn’t done by an individual acting alone, was done by two or more persons acting in concert; would properly be referred to as a ‘conspiracy’. So how come ######### keep throwing out the ‘C’ word, and then congratulating themselves? Because the only thing the loons can do is mock out their opponents or ignore them. Their attempts at counter argument don’t meet the smell or laugh test.

jet fuel burns at 495 Fahrenheit
structural steel has to be heated to 1600 degrees to weaken it by half – but recent experiments in Britain say 1700 degrees Fahrenheit is needed.
where did the extra 1200 degrees come from? paper and plastic and carpet burning do not get anywhere near hot enough. Maybe it was the concrete burning?

Greg – You bring up a good point. You may not be aware of the construction of buildings though. On top of these open web joists that created the lateral support as well as the floor structure is a layer of corrugated metal decking with L-flange steel sections at the edges and then concrete is poured into these “forms,” thus causing the floor of the building that is then covered with your finish floor material. The steel structure did not magically disintegrate, nor did that concrete. In a fight between lightweight concrete (the floor slab – 75-100lbs/sq.ft.) and aluminum the concrete is always going to win – even if it is lightweight concrete. These steel open web joists and concrete floor slabs are what fell and created the pancaking effect. They then pulled the exterior wall in, on top of the floor slabs that were pancaked at the bottom creating a “structural lasagna” if you will. Starting with the basement floors and walls (concrete) that were shored up to hold back the water of the harbor (yes, the hydrostatic pressure is great enough to effect the basement walls that far inland), then the floor slabs, then the exterior wall, with a fine mix of fireproofing material dust scattered in there (most likely the toxic dust in the air for months following), and also a final sprinkling of concrete rubble from the central core mixed in. I will look at the photo you posted when I get home this evening Greg and add some comments to it and repost. There was a private, individual investigation performed on the structural failure of the towers – just it wasn’t as publicly pronounced as everything else. There was a video that accompanied it as well – I will have to get the video title from a friend and let you know. The video shows computer generated models of the collapsing building, up close footage of the debris, original drawings, etc. Feel free to contact me at the e-mail address provided on my name for further discussion.

it took 3 weeks of bird dogging by former NYC police and fire dept. employees to force Guilliani to see the light of day and drop his presidential campagin.
every candidate should be forced to take a stand on the validity of the 9/11 commission report and any of them that do not call for a NEW investigation should be run out of town just like Rudy was.
it’s amazing that in 2008 anyone who stepped up and ran on a platform of getting to the truth about 9/11 would have the support of about 62% of the American public, since that’s about the number who don’t believe the official CONspiracy story they’ve allowed the media to create

@Architect in NV
Your post excludes the idea that 47 interior steel core columns would provide resistance against the inward sagging of floor trusses.
Your statement about fireproofing is unproven.
NIST tested this theory by simply
shooting shot gun rounds at a fireproofed steel sample in a box.
“This already put the WHOLE building at risk”How?You fail to explain the manner in which the top 30 or so floors can
power through 80 undamaged intact floors
all the while outwardly ejecting the debris needed to the provide energy necessary to overcome the path of most resistance.
I am not qualified to discuss this with any authority but several rebuttals have been made by profesionals in your field at ae911truth.

62% of americans are NOT conspiracy loons. why would anyone take a report as 100% true? ever heard of . . . mistakes? as if that equates with believing in an “inside job”. in fact only a tiny percentage of unstable types with access to computers fall for this comic book fantasy stuff.
i do not want any elected official wasting time with a fringe conspiracy group. move on to the man never walked on the moon bit or something, this bit is getting old

What will it take?

Concerned
a bunch of kids asking silly “questions” does not constitute an alternative theory.
and 15 million dollars and the 9/11 Commission report does not constitute the TRUTH or the FACTS of what happened that day. “not any kind of truth”
when Bush got on TV and warned us not to believe in conspiracy theories, i knew there was a stink to be stunk

Concerned
you have any idea of who Michael Chertoff is? or what he was doing on and around 9/11/2001?
and if you’re intrested in learning some of the real facts, you should take a look at the Greame Macqueen review of the statements taken of the NYFD personel in the weeks after 9/11, it’s very understandable why the 9/11 Commission didn’t want to hear any of their testimony in the hearings live on CSPAN

sorry — some from a different post, but true nonetheless.

“Concerned” wrote:
“this message board should be deleted. NOW. take it down ABC, you are a fraud.”
When bullying, insulting and name-calling doesn’t intimidate – and the truth continues to emerge – that’s when “concerned” people try to get others to shut off the lights to try to keep us all in the dark.
Too late. We saw. We know.

Well it’s “Concerned” or is that really cornered misspelled against the rest of us Idiots. Gee he is the smartest guy I’ve ever read. Ricky Bobby would be proud. He seems to believe the finiacial crisis and all the other problems are accidental where the government is concerned.
Concerned for President for a better America. Oh excuse me, it would actually be the same America.
Americans in my opinion are the greatest people on earth with possibly one of the worst governments. How does this happen?

ROBERT BOWMAN – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK – U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command, which included all American military activities in the 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Additionally, Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), which granted him overall command of NATO military forces in Europe 1997 – 2001. Awarded Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart for his service in Viet Nam and numerous subsequent medals and citations. Graduated valedictorian of his class at West Point.
MAJOR GENERAL ALBERT STUBBLEBINE – U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 – 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.
Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 – 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 – 1994.
Just a small sample of the people that have been labeled idiots by Billy Boy and some here.
Wake UP!

Dear Concerned,
Is it not right, at least here in America, that even “that tiny frindge” has a right to speak their mind, witnessed by your ongoing statements, you seen to be part of an ever shrinking fringe group yourself, that of people who still believe whole heartly that 19 lucky arabs and a man in a cave made all of the events of 9/11 happen.

Wow. Just wow.
I love how people who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about go on some website grab some ‘facts’ and become experts.
Concerned, these idiots cannot be reasoned with. They can’t be convinced. This conspiracy theory is just like a strongly held political opinion that is emotionally and not intellectually informed.
Reading your back and forth with these kooks reminds me of my conversations with my mother. She feels free to spout off about things that she has no way of being informed about. Like the mental state of others… e.g. “George Bush doesn’t care about black people”, “George Bush’s motives are x”. This woman is a Christian who should know better about hating people, much less people she doesn’t know. Her politics skews everything.

Here is how it works. Take a fact, such as that terrorists flew planes into buildings causing them to crumble, killing thousands. Now, label this fact as merely the “official” version. This raises the spector of “officials”, you know those creepy government agents hiding in the shadows.
Then tell people who understand the truth that they are merely “following” the “official” view. Then call them “pawns” . . . even if their views have nothing to do the some stupid commission report.
i never read a damn page of that crap, nor would i, and my views on this matter lead me to conclude these conspiracy theories are 100% BS, making you people, quite lame.

yoMama,
you know for a fact that there were 19 hijackers of those planes? how so? you’ve seen pictures of them? have you? or you believe one of thier passports managed to fly out of one of their pockets and fall to the street below? how do you know they were on the planes? the GOVERNMENT said so? do tell?

Regardless of whether or not they believe this was an inside job, Patriotic citizens should demand a new investigation that addresses concerns of the victims famlies.
FBI agents have stated that investigations were deliberately thwarted by their superiors that may have helped prevent the attacks. Furthermore, instead of being reprimanded, they were promoted. This info is available on TIME.com.
Also, the NY Times reported that tape recorded individual accounts of what happened that day from FAA employees were mysteriously destroyed, and that the vast majority of the steel from the trade center buildings(evidence from a crime scene) was hauled away for recycling prior to investigation.
George Bush and Condi Rice both stated they had no advance warning that Bin Laden was going to attack in the US, yet they received an intelligence report on August 6th,2001 titled ‘Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the United States.’
The list goes on and on.. You don’t have to be insane to think something is not right here. The victims families have legitimate questions that the 9/11 commission did not answer.
Rather than label and discredit those who seek a new investigation, why not support an independent investigation that could settle the issue?

Give me a break.
This exchange looks staged to me. How cooperative the heckler is once Clinton starts speaking. How confident Clinton is that he will stop. How prepared Clinton’s remarks seemed.
Please remember that Bill Clinton arranged to be in Australia on 9.11 and arrived there with no advanced knowledge by any Australians, who didn’t know what to do with him.
In my opinion, Clinton knew about 9.11.
Don’t forget that Condoleeza Rice warned San Francisco mayor Willy Brown not to fly on 9.11. If she would warn a mayor, why would the administration not see that the former U.S. President was not asking questions and demanding an investigation once 9.11 happened?
Clinton knew. Giuliani knew. Bush Sr. knew. Everyone who needed to know knew.
9.11 was an inside job and Clinton was at least complicit in it.

and nobody wants to tie the Bush bought and run CIA into all the scandals of the last 55 to 60 years Sam, Prescott Bush, George Herbert Walker, Avreill Harriman, Root and Brown bros really set things up for the CIA and the industrial military complex TEAR IT DOWN BARAK OBAMA